Like Pat Robertson calling for
Posted By: the assassination - sm - Starcat on 2005-11-29
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of Chavez? Or telling the people of Dover not to pray to God 'cause God won't answer? Must be nice to have such a straight line to the Lord God. Yeah, that's REAL Christianity alright.
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Name calling? Point out 1 instance of "nasty name calling" in response to your posts
Your childlike accusations are patently false - but you are indeed welcome to your own opinion. I just don't have to agree.
Pat Robertson
Like I told gt below I don't echo Pat Robertson. However, Cindy Sheehan has said as much about our president but in much more vulgar verbage. Don't lump us into all being Pat Robertson followers, because it just ain't so.
You must have Pat Robertson
running through your veins. You're totally whacked.
Get some help.
Robertson, Falwell, et al. are the very same
people who publicly claim that they and their followers are the only people who are good enough to go to heaven. It's easy for Americans to just dismiss these snake oil salesmen and their followers as whackos, just laugh at them and brush them off as having no importance.
You're right. The inmates are going to be running the asylum if Harriet Miers becomes a Supreme Court Justice, and America will continue its downward 5-year spiral backwards time. I already wrote to Senator Harry Reid a couple days ago, basically asking what he was thinking when he was hoodwinked by Bush and Miers. I've also written to many of the Senators on the Judiciary Committee. I obviously don't live in all of their states, but at the federal level, I feel my voice is just as important in such a serious matter as this. I do live in Senator Specter's state, and he will probably be tired of hearing from me before it's all said and done.
I hope those who have strong concerns about precisely the things described in the article you posted do the same and write to the Senators on the Judiciary Committee...unless you're okay with the Bible replacing the Constitution and the inmates running the asylum.
As far as God's actual involvement in all this, I'm starting to wonder if God is getting fed up with the inherent evil of this White House and all the lies and corruption that accompany it. Maybe it's actually God's love and pursuit of the truth that will result in Bush's house of cards toppling over in the next few weeks as, one by one his scandals, are revealed to the world and hopefully many indictments will be handed out. 
Too bad Robertson doesn't look in the mirror.
We have our own Taliban right here in the U.S...so-called Christians calling for people's assassinations, etc. And the darling of the right, Coulter, *joking* that Justice Stevens should be poisoned? Makes me wonder who is really *satanic* and *crazed fanatics*? Apparently my copy of the New Testament is different than theirs. Robertson in his infinite wisdom comparing Mohammed to a politician?
From the March 13 broadcast of CBN's The 700 Club:
ROBERTSON: Imagine one cartoon, one cartoon showing Mohammad with a turban with a missile out of it. I mean, we have stuff like that, that is vastly worse against our politicians all the time. It's part of free expression. The fact that this elicited this incredible outpouring of rage just shows the kind of people we're dealing with. These people are crazed fanatics, and I want to say it now: I believe it's motivated by demonic power; it is satanic; and it's time we recognize what we are dealing with. But, political correctness will not face one religious ideology with the strength of another because they don't have the strength of another. And, so, they're caving in before this vicious assault, and the goal of Islam, ladies and gentlemen, whether you like it or not, is world domination. These people are saying it over there in Europe -- world domination. We're going to take over Europe. We're going to take over England. We're going to take over Denmark. We're going to take over France. That's their goal! And, why don't we wake up to the fact of who we're dealing with? And, by the way, Islam is not a religion of peace.
I didn't agree with Pat Robertson either. sm
However, I doubt Chavez offer came free of strings. I am glad we did not accept his help. He has shown himself for what he is.
You must mean Falwell, Robertson and Hagee, who also
Here's a few more points you may want to mull over:
The idea that America deserves terrorist attacks and other horrendous disasters has long been a frequently expressed view among the faction of white evangelical ministers to whom the Republican Party is most inextricably linked. Neither Jerry Falwell nor Pat Robertson ever retracted or denounced their view that America provoked the 9/11 attacks by doing things to anger God. John Hagee continues to believe that the City of New Orleans got what it deserved when Katrina drowned its residents and devastated the lives of thousands of Americans. And James Inhofe (who happens to still be a Republican U.S. Senator) blamed America for the 9/11 attacks by arguing in a 2002 Senate floor speech that "the spiritual door was opened for an attack against the United States of America" because we pressured Israel to give away parts of the West Bank.
The phrases "anti-American" and "America-haters" are among the most barren and manipulative in our entire political lexicon, but whatever they happen to mean on any given day, they easily encompass people who believe that the U.S. deserved the 9/11 attacks, devastating hurricanes and the like. Yet when are people like Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, Inhofe and other white Christian radicals ever described as anti-American or America-hating extremists? Never, because white Christian evangelicals who tie themselves to the political Right are intrinsically patriotic. Do Obama haters believe that those individuals are anti-American radicals and that people who allow their children to belong to their churches are exercising grave errors of judgment?
To subscribe to this paradox is wildly understating the magnitude of the association between "anti-American" white evangelicals and Republican leaders. By all accounts, George Bush had private conversations with Pat Robertson about matters as weighty as whether to invade Iraq. Isn't that a big scandal, that the President is consulting with an American-hating minister, someone who believes God allowed the 9/11 attacks as punishment for our evil country, about vital foreign policy decisions? No, it wasn't controversial at all.
John Hagee privately visits with the highest level Middle East officials in the White House and afterwards pronounces that they're in agreement. John McCain shares a stage with Hagee and lavishes him with praise, as Rudy Giuliani did with Pat Robertson. James Inhofe remains a member in good standing in the GOP Senate Caucus. The Republican Party has tied itself at the hip to a whole slew of "anti-American extremists"…people who believe that the U.S. provoked the 9/11 attacks because God wants to punish us for the evil, wicked nation we've become…and yet there is virtual silence about these associations.
Nor have the views of televangelist Rod Parsley, one of McCain's self-proclaimed "spiritual advisers," received a fraction of the attention generated by Wright. As both David Corn and Alan Colmes, among others, have documented, Parsley espouses views at least as extreme and radical as Wright, including his proclamation that "America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion [Islam] destroyed." Unlike Wright and Obama, for whom the former's controversial views are found nowhere near the latter's public or private conduct , both George Bush and John McCain's Middle Eastern militarism are perfectly consonant with the most maniacal and crazed views of Christian Rapture enthusiasts such as Hagee, Parsley, Inhofe, and Robertson. Yet the controversy created over their close ties is virtually non-existent.
The Republican Party long ago adopted as a central strategy aligning itself with, and granting great influence to, the most radical, "America-hating" white evangelical Christian ministers in the country. They're given a complete pass on that because political orthodoxy mandates that white evangelical Christian ministers are inherently worthy of respect, no matter how extreme and noxious are their views. That orthodoxy stands in stark contrast to the universally enraged reaction to a few selected snippets from the angry rantings of a black Christian Minister. What accounts for that glaring disparity?
Robertson apologizes - He was misunderstood. Any takers on this one?
See link.
WH refuses to condemn Robertson's statement.
It's just amazing that our own President won't stand up and condemn this kind of terrorism - using the US airwaves to threaten assasination of foreign leaders, by a religious leader no less. Tough on terrorism? OK, so...when?
I tell you, I didn't know that Pat Robertson tried to get on the republican ticket in 1988...sm
and I was enjoying the 700 club last year. They have some good Christian stories on there and motivational things that I actually liked. That was until one day Pat started talking politics and throwing his opinions around as if they were God's. That show hasn't gotten a rating point from me since then. He's definitely a radical in my book.
Robertson to build theme park in Israel; Jews unwilling to convert
Plans for Holy Land theme park on Galilee shore where Jesus fed the 5,000
· Evangelical groups and Israel on brink of deal
· Some Israelis fear motives of US Christian right Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv
Wednesday January 4, 2006
Guardian The Israeli government is planning to give up a large slice of land to American Christian evangelicals to build a biblical theme park by the Sea of Galilee where Jesus is said to have walked on water and fed 5,000 with five loaves and two fish.
A consortium of Christian groups, led by the television evangelist Pat Robertson, is in negotiation with the Israeli ministry of tourism and a deal is expected in the coming months. The project is expected to bring up to 1 million extra tourists a year but an undeclared benefit will be the cementing of a political alliance between the Israeli rightwing and the American Christian right.
However, the alliance has not been welcomed by all Israelis, including some who fear the ultimate aim of the evangelicals is the conversion of the Jews to Christianity rather than support for Israel.
Jonathan Pulik, a spokesman for the Israeli ministry of tourism, said the Christian market was very important for Israel's tourism industry. We would like to give them more of a reason to come here. We would be willing to lease the land to them free of charge and they would finance the construction.
The site of the centre, covering nearly 50 hectares (125 acres) and provisionally called the Galilee World Heritage Park, would be north-east of the Mount of the Beatitudes where Jesus delivered the Sermon on the Mount, and Capernaum which was described as the town of Jesus in the Bible. It would feature a garden and nature park, an auditorium, a Holy Land exhibition, outdoor amphitheatres, information centre and a media studio.
The ministry of tourism estimates the total cost would be $48m (£28m). Mr Pulik also pointed out that the project would bring large numbers of jobs to the area. Mr Robertson said in a statement that he was fully cooperating with the project but no deal had been formalised. He said he was thrilled that there will be a place in the Galilee where evangelical Christians from all over the world can come to celebrate the actual place where Jesus Christ lived and taught.
The Sea of Galilee is more reminiscent of the Scottish Highlands than the Middle East, particularly in winter and spring when the hills are green. The existing Christian sites are picturesque and understated oases of calm and there is even a Church of Scotland hotel and church in Tiberias, the main town in the area.
A major part of the shore of the Sea of Galilee was Syrian until it was conquered by Israel in 1967. Syria and Israel are still officially in a state of war and Syria insists the return of the Golan Heights and the Galilee shore is a prerequisite for peace.
Uri Dagul, the project coordinator, said the land issues would be concluded within a few weeks and then the final details would be agreed between the Israeli government and the Christian communities which are primarily American evangelical churches.
The American Christian right, best known for television evangelism and its stars such as Mr Robertson and Jerry Falwell, has been among the strongest supporters of Israel in the US.
The primary reason is that according to the Old Testament, Israel was given to the Jews by God. Fundamentalist Christians believe that in order for Jesus to return, two preconditions are Jewish control of the land of Israel and the conversion of the Jews to Christianity.
Yossi Sarid, a former government minister and member of the Knesset, said he was wary of the friendship of the American Christian right and projects such as the Galilee centre. He said: I am not enthusiastic about this cooperation because I have no desire to be cannon fodder for the evangelists.
As a Jew, they believe I have to vanish before Jesus can make his second appearance. As I have no plans to convert, as an Israeli and a Jew, I find this a provocation. There is something sinister about their embrace.
Avraham Hirschson, the Israeli tourism minister, said: I'm not a theologian, I'm the minister of tourism, and I'm not interested in the politics of our tourists as long as they come here. They come here as tourists, and they're friends of Israel.
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2006
Who's doing the name calling here? LOL
Try reading a little closer!
I said it was an ignorant post. There is a lesson in semantics here:Surly you can tell the difference between "ignorant poster" and ignorant post?
My post was not "name calling" - I simply pointed out the poster's opinions were not based in known fact.
As to name calling, I would point out your use of the term 'naïve' - what part of my post criticising Obama A DEMOCRAT - didn't you read? Why would you assume I give the Clintons a pass?
both parties are corrupt to the gills and Americans in general are ignorant of what they are actually do to us ALL and to the world.
Read a little closer before you rant :)
Why do they keep calling?
Over the last 3 or 4 days I have gotten 6 or 7 calls (they call twice a day and always when I am sitting down to eat). They are the democrats calling telling me all the wonderful things about Obama and I have to show my support and vote for him). I keep telling them I am a registered democrat so they know who I am voting for and after they've gone on about him they then say "well you should vote your concious", but they always say it quite softly and one person I asked him to repeat what he said because I couldn't hear it. The last one I told them if I'm voting my conscious why are you propping up Obama?
I don't understand if I'm a registered democrat why are the democrats calling me, shouldn't the republicans be calling me? I have not received one call from anyone on the republicans side (and I haven't left my house since last Saturday when I went grocery shopping so know I haven't missed any calls).
This is just so frustrating. I'd turn off my phone but I have friends and family that call me too. Boy I cannot wait for the election to be over.
There was no name calling at all there nm
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Name calling. How like you.
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Again with the name calling?
What are you, 9?
Name calling
What are you a child with your name calling? How can anyone take anything you say seriously when you act like a 5-year-old calling names?
name calling
I have bedbugs crawling all over me as I lie on the bed in this cheap motel.
Things zoom past me that I just don't get.
I am such a wrong poor widdle victim of meanies and misogynists, and I play the race card too. And I drank so much Kool-Aid that I cannot face unpleasant truths.
I refuse to grow up. And I can't put a sentence together.....
But you have a face only a mother could love...
I don't appreciate you calling me a liar
and neocons liars in general (BTW, I'm not a neocon), and I refuse to discuss the gross inaccuracies in the article above with a person who thinks we're all liars. It's blatant waste of time.
Can you stop with the name calling please?
The moderator asked that we be respectful, and "ignorant conservatives" is far from that. Branding a whole group of people based on the way one person posts shows very little tolerance on your part. I thought liberals were supposed to be tolerant and believe in the rights of EVERYONE...EVEN...GASP...OH NO...conservatives!!! You do not sound very tolerant and you walked ALL OVER this poster's rights. I guess it is a case of Do as I say...not as I do? It kinda makes any statement or point you wished to make here ring very hollow...at least in this ignorant conservative's view.
You keep calling me your friend...
...why is that? I hope you don't generally treat your friends this way.
As far as me singling people out to torment -- it would only be you and it would be singular. Plus, I didn't "single" you out, just saw your posts on a PUBLIC forum and as I said, they looked kind of mean and cruddy. However, I would say you are the PLURAL stalker. Come one, come all you will take them on and condemn and mock all that folks say on the liberal board!! And then accuse them of all being the same person. Lots of paranoia goin' on in that ole brain of yours, doesn't sound very healthy at all!!! No, sir!!!
Can we stop with the name calling?
Just because you do not agree does not make the poster ignorant. Condescending, to say the least.
Obama's message of empathy is redistribution of wealth. Socialism 101. Why do you think because someone has been successful that obligates them to pay more than anyone else? If you check on a lot of those so-called rich, they give more heavily to charitable organizations, establish foundations, etc. They don't horde it all and count it daily and laugh maniacally because they have it and you don't. Class envy is a nasty, nasty thing.
Why not a flat tax? Ten percent across the board, we ALL pay it. THAT is fair. The rich already pay over 90% of ALL taxes in the coffers. Even THAT is not enough for you.
Perhaps Obama could keep his girls out of camp one year and put that 10 grand toward helping some of the less fortunate. Let him lead by example. Ah...but don't hold your breath. And it is not just Obama...any Dem. Lead by example...cut them a check every month, right of the top of your wages.
It is very naive to suggest that corruption resides only on the republican side. The Clintons have run corrupt administrations from Arkansas right on up. I refer you to the hail mary pardons, travelgate, whitewater, and on and on and on and on. If you are going to accuse, you should accuse across the board.
Another very naive point..stopping nuclear proliferation. It is NOT going to happen. It cannot happen. For it to happen, all parties have to be on board. Russia will never surrender its nukes. Iran will never surrender its nukes. If Israel ever surrenders it's nukes, they have signed their death warrant. Can we not be realistic about this??
thanks for calling me stupid ...
who knows? If you are half as smart as you think apparently think you are, yes indeedy -- maybe you could do it ... if you had become governor of a State!
I am tired of the slick, coached peoplel who simply regurgitate what the punduits tell them too. At least, for now, she is a real person ....
I can see why you like Obama -you have the same superiority attitude with a condescending nature ... LOL
that said, I really do not like him BUT I may vote for him - I truly haven't made up my mind yet.
LOL ....
It's about the issues, not the name-calling.
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Calling all rebpublicans.
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Calling all pubs.
xoxoxoxo
No sam, I'm not calling for anyone's head
this. Why are you making it so dem/pub?
rude you are. Calling
someone an 'old man' is showing a complete lack of respect.
thanks for calling me a liar --
on your party as I am a registered democrat -- got my "Are you supporting Obama?" call just last week. I told her then that I was undecided, but over the last few days, I have finally come to a decision. I'm voting McCain.
Your immaturity disproves your credibility (are those words too big for you?).
Your name calling reflects more on you....
than the object of it. Does it make you feel smug and superior?
I'm not the one calling him the messiah........sm
Check out some of the Obama supporter web sites if you don't believe that his own people are calling him that, Louis Farrakan for one. Here is what Farrakan has to say.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE
Farrakan says: "You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change. And that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When The Messiah speaks, the youth will hear. And The Messiah is absolutely speaking."
He is being tauted as the messiah by many of his supporters. IF he were the messiah, he would be coming down from heaven on the clouds riding a white horse and wielding a sword. Read Revelation 19:11-16.
calling names
 Vie:
I don't know which side of the bed or as I tend to think you crawled out UNDER, but to call people names on top of your irrational delusional rants about who said what here - you are truly asking to bet your feelings hurt here. As far as your comment about 'what are you going to say when you stand in front of God' to "M/SM"; I am sure they will say that they are glad they are NOT YOU. Don't go away mad - just go away..
Smears, name calling and
unsubstantiated accusations do not pass for intelligent political dialog. Seems like you have had plenty of time since November to absorb the reality that this kind of doo-doo is what lost the election for McC and his rogue sidekick. You might want to come up with a more inspired strategy.
Do you EVER stop the name-calling?
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There you go - another name calling insult
Can you try to have an adult convesation here instead of proving us right by repeatedly name calling and "trying" to ridicule those who don't agree with you.
But calling me a liar when you know nothing about me is...
so mature. At any rate, I did not make bad decisions. We bought the house three years ago (at the height of the market) and still paid less than it is worth today--in a West Coast state, no less. I would say that our decisions were just fine. And we did it without family money. My investment is sound and I will be fine. I just don't care for the fact that people who are defaulting on loans can refinance at lower rates, but if you are a responsible person who pays on time every time, you are SOL. This should irritate you, as well, if what you say is true. My big point was that even though my property assessment by the state went down in value, we will still b e paying more in taxes this year. That was it. And no, I am not lying.
Why the name calling? Isn't this a place where...
...people can feel free to express their opinions? Your post was just plain rude. 
Calling all brainboxes.........
Yup, just what I thought.
I'd say that's the pot calling the kettle black, gt. sm
It's not up to you to judge who is Christian and who is not. Anyone who wishes for someone to burn in hell along with his family has no business especially judging anyone's Christianity. Good Lord.
They would be calling for his resignation, impeachment for sure.sm
The mayor and governor should have evacuated the people from the nursing homes since they knew that the levees were not stable enough to weather a category 4 hurricaine. The federal government should have acted to protect NO citizens as well. This is too sad and we shouldn't allow this to be brushed under the rug.
I have no interest in addressing your name calling, but
I will just say here that, once again, Peggy Noonan is spot-on. If you read the Conservative board with any regularity at all, it should come as no surprise that conservatives often disagree with GWB's spending; this is one of the two principal areas of disagreement that have been discussed over the past couple of years on the board. The other is border control.
At present, as Ms. Noonan says, he is better than the last alternative. He's also the only game in town as of right now, but he does need to be cautious about being too laissez-faire about alienating the conservative base.
IMHO, unless the Republicans come up with a candidate who is truly a fiscal conservative and is willing to prioritize and cut spending, he is setting Republicans up for another 1992 - a third party candidate siphoning off conservative votes and handing the election to the Democrats. Also IMHO (this will come as no surprise), that would not be a good thing.
Back to the Conservative board....sorry to intrude here, but I can't resist Peggy Noonan.
Exactly! And Randi Rhodes calling for...
the assassination of the President...hey, that's okay! If these people really read the posts on the conservative board, they would see that you, and myself, have said on occasion that sometimes Coulter is over the top. However, I have not heard her personalize it with a name and ask for their death, as did Bill Maher and Randi Rhodes. I guess if they are calling for the deaths of conservatives, well, hey...that's okay then,eh Dems??
Calling me a liar, saying out of context...
yet you totally ignore the portion that said Plame was not covert at the time Novak printed her name. There is only one way to read that. And you call me a liar. What a twisted, twisted set of values you have.
Won't be too impressed with Palin's calling
You do make an excellent point about the ignorant voters. It may be one more reason, but there are plenty of reasons for feminists/Hillary supporters NOT to vote for that ticket. Here's my argument on that.
Feminists, for the most part, are educated, contemporary activists who meticulously dissect women's issues to the bone. In play here in terms of their issues will be such concepts as the sexist, "token" showcase nature of this selection and the blatent bid for Hillary supporters to come and save his sinking ship, his motivations in terms of making the condescending assumption that that women will vote for a woman just because she is a woman and ignore their own core issues, the beauty contestant entourage he seems to like to surround himself with, the Stepford Wife image of an inexperienced VP running mate/wife playing follow the leader behind him and how much respect she can REALLY command among the big boy party cronies whose counterparts she alientated in Alaska. Two major feminist issues of substance would be the fact that to them, she is on the wrong side of Pro-Life/pro-choice and has a record of not supporting fair pay intiatives for women!
The media will step in and have a hey day with this. Just give it a little time. It is their job to stir the pot. For your own sake, if they are stirring yours more than you would like, expand your news source horizons. Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews (MSNBC) would be a good place to start on cable, but there are many other less bash-prone, better informed news sources to consider as well.
Hillary is not likely to stand slently on the sidelines with these issues, either. Look for her to step up to the plate and take this on nanoseconds after the Repubican extravaganza concludes by contrasting herself, her experience, her record, REAL women's issues and her dedication to feminist causes against this janie-come-lately who is poised to steal her spotlight. That "whiner" commment will come back to haunt what's-her-name soon enough. Just be patient.
As for the die-hard followers who DO vote with their genitalia, let them go. Good riddance. They will not make the greatest party loyalist no matter what side of the fence they end up on.
Also, remember what Bill said about being on the right side of history and try to have a little faith. If it is really meant to be, it will happen in spite of McCain and the party's best efforts to highjack the Hope train.
Iraq war messianic calling to US to
What is this? White Liberation Theology?
Old-timer, i would appreciate it if you would refrain from name calling.
Thanks.
well....I stop short of calling him the....
antichrist. But the fact that seemingly intelligent people lose all sense of reason when he opens his mouth does give one pause. That's for sure.
This has George Soros written ALL over it.
Do you think calling me a liberal is an insult? LOL
I dont run from the liberal label, friend, I'm proud of it!
I thought she did a FINE job overall. And I thought she was best at dodging the questions she didn't/wouldn't/couldn't answer - and repeating the MCBUSH mantra: ALL WAR ALL THE TIME.
name-calling, same old liberal. Comparing SP to
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And calling people pompous - sm
because they don't agree with YOU is IGNORANT.
THROWING YOUR VOTE AWAY!!!
(Honestly, why don't you just sleep in on election day?)
Well if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black.
Please no racist comments.....pots and kettles are black....this isn't a race issue.
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