Let me rephrase that. It doesn't *seem like* my vote doesn't count...sm

• Electoral college - Do we need it for a fair election? sm - Democrat
  • Let me rephrase that. It doesn't *seem like* my vote doesn't count...sm - Democrate
    • Guess it's time to move to a blue state then huh? - wink
      • No. I love the country side in Alabama...I'm a country girl...nm - Democrat
        • Did ya notice? - PK
          • I did notice that. These peoople are getting more and more pathetic by the moment..sm - Democrat
            • Thanks for saying that! - PK
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It never counts when they do it.

And the Conservative hypocrisy of the day:

They themselves posted this about Liberals: *If they dont' say it here, under a pseudonym, they say it THERE and then gather like little old ladies to chew the fat.*

Just take a look at the posts Nan... or should I say Brunson.. has posted over there today at the top of the board.

In a story that appeared in the Times on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, Ayers told a reporter while promoting his memoir "Fugitive Days": "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."

From his speech today:  He also said if the demonstrations didn't stop there might be chaos and bloodshed, and that rival candidates calling for protests would be blamed.  See link for full details.

This is going to get really, really bad.

After all, most employees can be fired at will so why not the politicians?  Aren't they suppose to work for the people.

VOTING A WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS.

with the fact that Israel is really Arab land?  How about the idea that Israel didn't even exist as a nation until established by a third party.  How about the fact that Israel has been cutting off supplies from Gaza?  (That would include food, medicine, etc)  I don't know about you, but I tend to get a little testy when my kids don't have food.  How about the fact that the US consistently manipulates people in that region (putting in leaders the US wants, only to take them out again when its convenient), and yet when it comes to Israel, the US has given them money and sofisticated weapons to fight against homemade rockets.  How about the idea that when Iran invaded Iraq the US was all over it, but when Israel does the same thing to Gaza we just give them a green light and ignore the civilian death toll.  How about the idea that oftentimes the US has backed both sides of a war, playing each for what it can get?  Oh, by the way, Israel is not the only democracy over there.  You don't think any of this has anything to do with it?

And if you really want to bring religion into it, how about that all important commandment about *thou shalt not kill?*

with the fact that Israel is really Arab land?  How about the idea that Israel didn't even exist as a nation until established by a third party.  How about the fact that Israel has been cutting off supplies from Gaza?  (That would include food, medicine, etc)  I don't know about you, but I tend to get a little testy when my kids don't have food.  How about the fact that the US consistently manipulates people in that region (putting in leaders the US wants, only to take them out again when its convenient), and yet when it comes to Israel, the US has given them money and sofisticated weapons to fight against homemade rockets.  How about the idea that when Iran invaded Iraq the US was all over it, but when Israel does the same thing to Gaza we just give them a green light and ignore the civilian death toll.  How about the idea that oftentimes the US has backed both sides of a war, playing each for what it can get?  Oh, by the way, Israel is not the only democracy over there.  You don't think any of this has anything to do with it?

And if you really want to bring religion into it, how about that all important commandment about *thou shalt not kill?*

Have you noticed how palestinian land keeps getting smaller and smaller?  Is that because the land is shrinking or because Israel is greedy?

that Bush started out with a surplus and created this huge deficit?  Please....raise your hands if you don't know that because for some reason people continue to think that we DON'T KNOW THIS INFORMATION AND CONTINUE TO POST IT.  Holy friggin cow.....WE KNOW ALREADY.

I can't  change what Bush did.  I wish I could.....but I can't.  All I can do is watch what our government and our CURRENT president is doing now.  Your arguments about Bush creating this deficit doesn't do squat for me when Obama wants to add to this deficit by continued government spending.  President Obama is more concerned about his agenda for creating bigger government than he is cuttin this deficit.  He can't do it.  Sending troops into Afghan......doubling the deficit in just one month's time since he took office.  Some of you people are more concerned about making us all know Bush ran up this deficit (WHICH WE KNOW, BTW) and refuse to see what Obama is doing........spending spending spending spending spending.  You can't buy your way out of debt.  That is like getting one loan to pay another one off or paying one credit card bill with another credit card......it is just plain STUPID STUPID STUPID. 

So please....stop with the.....well Bush created this deficit.....WE KNOW THAT ALREADY.  Now we have to focus on our president now and watch what he is doing.  I'm p!ssed at both pubs and dems.  I'm all for what Chuck Norris said on Glenn Beck last night.....he wants to line up all the unhonest politicians and choke them until they are unconscious.....that includes pubs and dems.  They are all liars.  they are all out for their own agenda.  They care more about their pockets being filled with money and their "pet projects" they keep stuffing into these spending bills.  INSANITY!!!!  To he!! with both parties.  I truly hope that come election time we have an independent that I can believe in because I certainly will not vote for either party.  Screw them both.  If we vote them all out, maybe they will realize how mad we are and that we aren't going to take it.

Instead......all we can talk about is how this is all Bush's fault.  LOL.  Seriously....we all know what Bush did.  Now let's focus on the current president and see what he plans on doing and whether it will help or not.  Right now.....spending money we don't have isn't the answer.  STOP GOVERNMENT SPENDING!!!!

If Cindy Sheehan had the right to spew her feelings Army Mom has that right too.  Works both ways as bad as you HATE it...

All he does is sign them all with a Presidential statement changing whatever he doesn't like about the law when he signs it, just like he did with the McCain torture bill.  He signed it but amended it to add that he still reserves the right to torture.

He does what he wants, couldn't care less about Congress or Americans.

June 06, 2006 Lieutenant defies Army over ‘illegal’ war By William Cole The Honolulu Advertiser In one of the first known cases of its kind, an Army officer from Honolulu is expected to refuse to go to Iraq this month with his unit, citing what he calls the “illegal” and “immoral” basis of the war, his father confirmed. The officer, 1st Lt. Ehren K. Watada, 28, son of former state campaign spending commission executive director Bob Watada, is believed to be one of the first military officers to publicly take steps to refuse his deployment orders. “My son has a great deal of courage, and clearly understands what is right, and what is wrong,” Bob Watada said yesterday. “He’s choosing to do the right thing, which is a hard course.” Watada declined further comment until a news conference planned for 11 a.m. tomorrow at the state Capitol. His son is with a Stryker unit out of Fort Lewis, Wash., and is expected to participate by teleconference. Jeff Paterson, a former Kaneohe Bay Marine who refused to board a transport in 1990 heading to the Gulf War and now works as an anti-war activist with the organization Not In Our Name, said a second news conference will be held in Tacoma, Wash. On a Web site Paterson said was created by friends and family, the “Lt.” is quoted as saying: “I refuse to be silent any longer. I refuse to watch families torn apart, while the President tells us to ‘stay the course.’ ... I refuse to be party to an illegal and immoral war against people who did nothing to deserve our aggression. I wanted to be there for my fellow troops. But the best way was not to help drop artillery and cause more death and destruction. It is to help oppose this war and end it so that all soldiers can come home.” Ehren Watada apparently sought in January to resign his commission, and later asked again and was denied. Watada, who is not seeking conscientious objector status, but rather has moral objections to the Iraq war, faces the possibility of a court-martial, dishonorable discharge and several years in prison if he refuses the war orders. According to the GI Rights Hotline, a conscientious objector has a deeply held moral, ethical or religious belief that it is wrong to kill another human being in war. Some service members discover that opposition after joining the military, and are discharged, the organization said. Watada doesn’t qualify as a conscientious objector because he does not oppose all wars. Watada graduated from Hawaii Pacific University in 2003, joined the Army shortly after, went to Officer Candidate School, and incurred a three-year obligation. The Hawaii man is with the 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry, at Fort Lewis. The unit is part of a larger 3,600-soldier Stryker brigade combat team similar to a unit being developed in Hawaii with about 300 eight-wheeled armored vehicles. The Fort Lewis brigade is heading to Mosul in northern Iraq, and the soldiers are expected to leave this month and into July. At a farewell ceremony on Friday, I Corps and Fort Lewis commander Lt. Gen. James Dubik, a former Schofield Barracks commander, said that of 299 million people in the United States, only 2.3 million serve in uniform to defend the nation, the Olympian newspaper reported. “Less than 1 percent of the nation is carrying 100 percent of the burden of this war,” Dubik said. But in a sign of increased opposition to the three-year-old Iraq war, anti-war activists demonstrated at the Port of Olympia after Stryker vehicles drove there for shipment, the Olympian reported. Police used pepper spray on about 100 activists, and 22 people were arrested in one of the more volatile confrontations, the newspaper said. Paterson, 38, who in 1990 alleged that the Gulf War was about profits and oil in the Middle East and sat down on the tarmac at Kaneohe Bay instead of boarding a transport, said he’s not sure of the number of Iraq or Afghanistan war objectors. Cases that resulted in court-martial include a Navy sailor sentenced to three months of hard labor for refusing to board a ship headed to the Persian Gulf, a specialist in the National Guard given 120 days in a stand against fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and a soldier sentenced to 15 months for refusing to deploy to Iraq a second time. Robert Arakaki, the 83-year-old president of the 100th Infantry Battalion Veterans group, who saw combat in Italy in 1945, yesterday said Watada “owes the country a lot.” There “should be some kind of good explanation” for why Watada wants out, he said, and Arakaki takes issue with claims of an immoral and illegal war. “Who determines what is legal or illegal? Him or our government? Not him,” Arakaki said. Retired Navy Cmdr. Jack Miller, past president of the Hawaii chapter of the Military Officers Association of America, said “there’s always been the problem of following orders. This time is no different.” “Being a Vietnam veteran, we went through this,” said Miller, 72. “The rest of the load had to be shared by those willing to follow orders and serve their country.” Dependable, loyal officers are needed, and “if one doesn’t fit that qualification, a bad apple will contaminate the barrel. He (Watada) should be punished in some way,” Miller said. “You don’t want someone over there in Iraq who’s not going to willingly follow orders. That’s dangerous.” Back to top Copyright © 2006 Use of this site signifies your agreement to the Terms of Service.

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