LOL, oh give it up, you are so off base it isn't funny! sm
Posted By: sm on 2005-09-25
In Reply to: you mean Brunson/American - Girl?? Careful....
You mean gt/Libby/deedee/DixieDew??? LOL!!! 
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and I base mine on
available information .... don't just pull them out of my bellybutton.
I definitely don't base it JUST on morals
I guess I should have been more elaborate on that. And you are completely right, most presidents change their tune after they get into the white house. I feel like we are almost gambling when we vote, who will change less?
Honestly, if we could take the candidates and even the VPs and just mush them into one candidate, I think we would be flying pretty high.
I think my biggest fear right now is that myself and a lot of people I know are one step from losing our homes and standing in the breadline. I Get upset that my husband and I both work extremely hard to keep what we have (which isn't much) but that we can't seem to get any assistance whatsoever. Yet someone can have seven kids and never work a day in her life and be taken care of. Do I think this will change? No. I feel like the middle class in the economy is a lot like "the middle child" in a family - often forgotten about, but expected to behave anyways.
On religion, check out my reply to Kaydie. I've written a short summary of a part of the book I mentioned to her in response to you saying that Jesus was a highly evolved human being (I used to believe the same thing)
Josh Mcdowell puts it like this: either Jesus was a liar, a lunatic, or Lord.
If he spent his life telling everyone that he was the Son of God and getting people to believe and follow him and he knew that he wasn't, then he was a liar. But the question poses, can someone that evil hearted (remember a lot of his disciples left there homes, family, jobs, etc to follow Him and were even killed defending His name) never do wrong? See I believe that there were enough people that hated Jesus that after he died if someone tried to talk about how great he was they would have been writing about ANYTHING wrong he did if they knew that he did. We would have heard about it.
Lunatic - If he did all this not knowing that he was being deceptive, and he really believed that he was the Son of God, then he had to be crazy. But this is crazy to the tenth power. Most lunatics who believe they are something else believe they are something tangible, such as a dog or a butterfly or another human. To believe that your the Son of God (remember, there was no Son of God in history before him, so it's not like it was a term thrown around or an unoriginal idea) is very unlikely. Not to mention how eloquent of a speaker Jesus was and how he was so easily able to explain things.
Lord - If Jesus was neither a liar or a lunatic, then he must be who he says he is - Lord, the Son of God. And since the Son of God cannot sin, he cannot lie, which means when he says "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no one comes to the Father EXCEPT by me" then he must not be lying.
Josh Mcdowell explains this a lot better than I can (that's why he's a PhD and I'm an MT! :-D ) but in case you never get to check out his book, I just wanted to give a recap. It helped me make my decision that he is Lord, because for a long time I wanted to believe that he was just "a great man" or "a great teacher" but I feel now that it was so rude of me to say that of someone who personally died for me.
Just my ideas! Thanks for giving me yours! It's nice to be able to talk back and forth about this without anyone getting upset! :-D
Deeni, please don't base all on one
I'm a Christian, but I see a lot of Christians who just are paranoid about anything and everything under the sun. They become paralyzed with "end times," the antichrist, etc. They become so entranced by this stuff that they lose their joy in their faith. I'm not like this. I feel Obama is there because he's supposed to be there, and I'm just working, paying bills, and enjoying my life and family. We're not all the "fire and brimstone" kind. :) I actually feel sorry for those Christians that feel this way because they're not acknowledging who is really in charge and these things are happening because they're supposed to. "Let it go!" I say to them. lol I'm sure you will agree. :)
I want to know what facts you base this on.
Unless, you know her personally, that is.
U.S. air base closing which is a key to
This is not good. Just heard on the news that we need McCain, Romney, and Obama to talk to Russia about this special base closing. But of course, the senate and congress are too busy with this stimulus, stated the ex-FBI agent to fight terrorism.
Supposedly Russia prime minister stated he was FOR (not against) helping fight terrorists, but instead, Russia is actually working with Taliban. Basically, "Russia is bullying Obama." This needs to be worked out soon or terrorists are going to get stronger and attack when we are at our weakest, which I say is about now. We have already lost 150 vehicles for fighting because of base closing and do we seriously have 15,000 troops? Or are some of our young ones in high school and college going to be drafted soon.
MOSCOW — Kyrgyzstan's president said Tuesday his country is ending U.S. use of an air base key to military operations in Afghanistan_ a decision with potentially grave consequences for U.S. efforts to put down surging Taliban and al-Qaida violence.
A U.S. military official in Afghanistan called President Kurmanbek Bakiyev's statement "political positioning" and denied the U.S. presence at the Manas air base would end anytime soon.
The United States is preparing to deploy an additional 15,000 troops in Afghanistan and Manas is an important stopover for U.S. materiel and personnel.
Ending U.S. access would be a significant victory for Moscow in its efforts to squeeze the United States out of Central Asia, home to substantial oil and gas reserves and seen by Russia as part of its strategic sphere of influence.
Kyrgyz President Kurmanbek Bakiyev spoke on a visit to Moscow minutes after Russia announced it was providing the poor Central Asian nation with billions of dollars in aid.
Bakiyev said when the U.S. forces began using Manas after the September 2001 terrorist attacks, the expectation was that they would stay for two years at most.
"It should be said that during this time... we discussed not just once with our American partners the subject of economic compensation for the stationing (of US forces at the base)," he said on Russian state-run TV. "But unfortunately we have not found any understanding on the part of the United States.
"So literally just days ago, the Kyrgyz government made the decision on ending the term for the American base on the territory of Kyrgyzstan," he said.
Col. Greg Julian, the U.S. spokesman in Afghanistan, denied there was any change in U.S. use of the base and he noted that Gen. David Petraeus, commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan and Iraq, just recently traveled there.
"I think it's political positioning. Gen. Petraeus was just there and he talked with them. We have a standing contract and they're making millions off our presence there. There are no plans to shut down access to it anytime soon," he told The Associated Press.
As recently as Jan. 19, Petraeus said he had received Kyrgyz assurances that Russia was not pushing for the base to close.
In Washington, Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said: "I have seen nothing to suggest, other than press reports, that the Russians are attempting to undermine our use of that facility."
The United States set up Manas and a base in neighboring Uzbekistan after the September 2001 attacks to back operations in Afghanistan. Uzbekistan expelled U.S. troops from the base on its territory in 2005 in a dispute over human rights issues, leaving Manas as the only U.S. military facility in the immediate region.
Moscow, which fought a 10-year war in Afghanistan during the Soviet era, was initially supportive of U.S. efforts to keep Afghanistan from collapsing into new anarchy and stem the spread of militancy northward through ex-Soviet Central Asia.
But as Kremlin suspicions about U.S. foreign policy have grown, so has Russian wariness about the U.S. presence in Central Asia. Russia also uses a military air base in the ex-Soviet nation.
During his visit last month, Petraeus said that Manas would be key to plans to boost the U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan. He also said the United States currently pumps a total of $150 million into Kyrgyzstan's economy annually, including $63 million in rent for Manas.
About 1,200 U.S. troops are based at Manas.
Russia, however, agreed Tuesday to provide Kyrgyzstan with $2 billion in loans plus another $150 million in financial aid.
Kyrgyzstan is one of Central Asia's poorest countries and has been buffeted by political turmoil for years. Its economy has been strained to the limit this winter after neighboring Uzbekistan significantly raised prices for natural gas.
Most Kyrgyz have been supportive, or at least accepting, of the U.S. presence, though in 2007, widespread anger erupted after a U.S. serviceman at Manas shot and killed a Kyrgyz man during a security check. Kyrgyz investigators had asked the serviceman face criminal prosecution in their country.
Petraeus said during a trip to the region last month that the investigation will be reopened.
Central Asia is key to U.S. efforts to secure an alternative supply line to forces in Afghanistan. The main route, through the Khyber Pass in Pakistan's northwest, has occasionally been closed in recent months due to rising attacks by bandits and Islamist militants, including one on Tuesday that destroyed a bridge.
During his visit, which included a stop in Kyrgyzstan, Petraeus said Washington had struck deals with Russia and several Central Asian states to allow the transhipment of supplies heading to Afghanistan.
NATO spokesman Eric Povel said the alliance could not comment because use of the base was an issue for the U.S. and Kyrgyzstan.
"It's not a NATO base," he said.
your way off base and don't know what your talking about
In my relationship with my partner we don't do sm, bondage, strange fetishes, and we certainly don't abuse each other. We don't do 3-ways or wife/husband swapping. We also don't do polygamy and certainly no domestic violence.
We have a normal sexual relationship and show tender loving care to each other. We respect each other, give each other privacy and never force the other into anything. We love each other unconditionally and when we're together we feel the love each of us shows the other. I trust my life with my partner. We have a totally natural and normal relationship with each other.
There are many couples (heterosexual) who do sm, bondage, strange fetishes, 3-ways, wife-swapping and polygamy and most domestic violence is commited by a heterosexual couple.
So I would say if anything heterosexual couples are not normal.
Once again, gt, you are not thinking from a base of fairness.
But I didn't expect you to. And when another poster actually did, you responded with HOW COULD YOU. I expected that, as well. So much for philosophical conversation, exploring intent, and misspeaking. I notice you never mentioned Maher, which, again, is typical. I drew a cogent correlation and you dismissed it completely. Again, expected. Thank you, Gadfly, for the conversation.
Permanent military base. sm
This has nothing to do with anything. We have permanent military bases in many European countries. That does not mean we are involved in the politics in those countries. It means, and I have said this three times but I will try again, that when the Iraqi Democratic government is finally in place, they will decide what happens with prisoners of war. Right now, we are involved in that. In the future, we won't be. I am not sure how much clearer I can make it. Very much to the contrary of what the poster Democrat has posted above, this is not a partisan brouhaha that the media has somehow missed. They miss very little. It is something you are misunderstanding. There is plenty out there on the internet that explains it. That might be your first step, or, if you are determined to be upset about it, then there is little anyone can do. Now, having said that, I am off to other boards. Have a nice day.
Seems like SP's speech energized O's base too.
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Please don't base your decision on who you vote...sm
for on this or any other board. Look at the issues and make your decisions based on them, not personalities or rhetoric.
If you base your perceptions of the entire
populace of our country from the postings on this forum, you need to get out more.
I'm sorry they said bad things about your candidate. It obviously hurt you deeply.
If they were born on a military base, they
are considered U.S. citizens. Military bases anywhere in the world are considered U.S. soil.
they were not born on a military base either
they have dual citizenship.
You base your impression of all liberals
He is a television personality. That would be like basing an impression of all conservatives on Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly. None of them are there to provide objective opinion, and in a lot of ways they are caricatures for infotainment.
I consider myself a liberal, but I would not base my impression of all conservatives on any one individual of that political persuasion.
I do think that Obama will listen to knowledgeable people no matter what their political affiliation is. No one person (or political party) has all the answers and it is going to take a cooperative effort to get us started on the road out of this mess. Good ideas are good ideas no matter what the source is.
P.S. I don't think much of Olbermann really. He doesn't even vote. He strikes me as a blowhard critic. It will be interesting to see how/if his program changes in the next few months. She is way more liberal, but I prefer Rachel Maddow's show. She seems much more genuine and personable.
The Commander in Chimp's base is hopeless...sm
I saw one post on Alternet earlier today which stated that if 911 were an inside job, that Bush probably had to sacrifice for the greater good.
Has anyone seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whhbPVrb5KM
CG, me, Hillary's angered base, feminists,
We'll all be pushing long and hard against having what's-her-name represent us and squash the Bimbos Unite! movement before it even takes off.
You are so off base. BE PATRIOTIC, s tand behind the NEW PRESIDENT OF THE USA !!!!
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already heard this - wasn't funny then, not funny now!
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Don't give up......
Hey, how about the URL?
Give it up.
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You get the job they give you. sm
I honor all our military, no matter what job they do.
Okay - I give up. LOL.
I was hoping for a better result the second time, but I didn't get one. Please use the link if you're interested in reading this in its entirety.
Sorry! 
http://www.rense.com/general84/close.htm
Maybe we all should give ourselves
a mini bail-out and take a tax holiday next April by filing hundreds of millions of extensions.
I can give you my take on it.....
he is trying to give tax breaks to them in order to get them out from under the heavy tax burden put ON them by Democrats which caused them to outsource in the first place. If corporate taxes are lower here that only encourages companies to keep their employees here, their operations here, and even encourages overseas companies to but divisions here and employ even more Americans. It is just common sense if you look at it on the face of it. We have the second highest corporate/business taxes in the entire world. If you had a business, would you not want to make money? We ask employers to do huge benefits packages for employees, and then turn right around and tax them into oblivion. They have to do something...either offshore or go under. High taxes and big government are NOT helpful to business, and if business does not thrive, we the people don't either.
Yes, but it would only give those who
act like fools now regardless of their situation an excuse to be hostile. More intelligent people might harbor deep feelings but the ignorant ones will be out on the streets acting like they normally would, only worse.
Give me an 0-B-A-M-A and what do you have?...
 OBAMA!
Okay.....I will give you that....sm
Some are Christians....but look at what only a few were able to accomplish on 9/11. Think of what thousands more could accomplish. Look at what Hitler and Idi Amin and Saddam Hussein were able to accomplish. They were not the majority in their respective countries, but they were able to exterminate millions of people. Are you ready for that? And don't think it could never happen in America.
Maybe O will give me the....... sm
family rate........... NOT!
Okay, I give up.
All I see is promises. calm demeanor is another. He was a bit rattled at some of the questions asked of him throughout the campaign.
I'm afraid of his "form of thinking"... "world view, plans and policies". His voting record leaves something to be desired. He is not focusing on the middle class, but is focusing on the have-nots.
His "voting record, his biography?" Not good. His "accomplishments"? What, that he came up so fast in government? That's a little quizzical. How did he accomplish that?
I am truly worried about his "orientation towards the future," his "multicultural global outlook, his global appeal". Love for his country? We shall see.
We know he loves his family. That I won't argue with, but other things you wrote, yes. I'm not sure he has the gumption to do it all.
Give me......... sm
a big old bowl of mustard greens with fat back, fried salt pork, baked sweet taters, fried hot water cornbread and a tall glass of cold buttermilk topped of by a big old slice of chocolate pie any day! I got a good case of gastric distress just reading that menu!!!
Give me one that was NOT! ! !
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No, you just give them, they take and ask for more.
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give me an example
And don't list penis & breast enhancement ads. These have nothing to do with atheism. I want to know when you have been watching a religious program and had an ad for atheism show up, & what the ad was about.
How are your rights being taken away? Before you answer, make sure that the "right" you list is NOT one that infringes on the rights of others. Give me some legitimate, concrete examples.
I can't give.......
this package an A. It is so complicated and I am getting mixed messages all over the place. We have to wrap Iraq up (that'll save us $12 billion a month) - don't know how they'll accomplish that and then there's Afghanistan, what a mess. They have to do something and they have to do it now. We have witnessed how the "free market" will take care of it - it won't. I am disgusted and disappointed with Congress. The longer this freefall continues, the longer it will be before the banks can extend credit. And, I agree with Obama, cap the CEOs salaries as long as they are accepting taxpayers money. STOPPING spending is what everyone is doing right now.....and the freefall continues. Spending to stimulate the economy seems to be our only option right now. This country has so may ills - it can't be boiled down to a couple of paragraphs.
GIve em' he!! Mrs. B!!!
   
That is very big of you to give your
your permission for differing opinions from your own.
GIVE Act
Link below
I don't like it when they give
military information either. I also cringe when I see documentaries on how our weapons are made and what they do. Nothing like giving the enemy a play by play on what we are doing and how our weapons are supposed to work.
As far as I am concerned, we don't need to know every little thing like that. It puts us at a disadvantage and I personally feel it endangers our troops just throwing out information like that.
I will give you this....
I'm sure that there were some folks there that were there basically because they hate Obama. But you cannot stereotype everyone into that group. I, for one, don't hate Obama. I wasn't there trying to have him impeached for being black....okay. It amazes me that you people tell conservatives to be openminded, at the same time you can be some of the most closed minded of all of us. You want us to see things from your point of view and yet at the same time spit on our point of view.
We are called racist and unpatriotic for disagreeing with our current president and yet it was quite okay to disagree with Bush. You want to cry and whine about how this is about Obama and how we hate Obama and yet you say nothing of the black people who voted for Obama merely because he was black.....or about the black people who continue to support him merely because he is black. If you want to throw up the race card, by all mean do it but please report the racism from all sides. I'm not saying all black people voted for Obama for that reason.....but some did. I'm sure some white people didn't vote him for because he is black.....but that isn't the reason for all of us. You can't use racism as a cop out for everything here.
If the tea parties were truly about hating Obama and all brought about by racism....then by all means we have a right to be ridiculed because that would be a wrong reason to protest and would show how bigotted we are. However, that WAS NOT the reason behind the tea parties. It wasn't even about Obama entirely. It was about GOVERNMENT and that includes the president, pubs, and crats as well as any independent that might be in there if there are any.
It amazes me that liberal groups can protest and be physical with people in their protests and spray paint graffiti and that is okay but when concerned Americans get together in protest where there is no violence and no destruction of public or private property.....you all scream and call us hate mongers.....are you kidding me?
There may not have been many black people in the crowd but there were some out there. I don't recall seeing any burning crosses. There were no Obama effigies hung from a rope....although I do recall one of Sarah Palin being hung during the campaign at someone's house during Halloween and I guess that was okay, huh?
Double standards and the race card.....I'm sick sick sick of it.
I give up
You don't get what I just said. The money was used for something else whether is was supposed to be or not. Check the history. The money was "borrowed" for other purposes. I also acknowledged that it is paid by current workers and that the benefit is determined by what you earned and not what you paid in, but what you earned would be very tied to what you paid in. The more you earned, the more you paid. I will say one last time this system was supposed to be a savings acct for retirement. No, my own actual dollars would not be paid to me, but if I paid in, I should be paid out. The govt had no right to squander that surplus thus leaving the system unable to provide for those citizens who worked hard, paid in and who trusted them with the money. Most seniors could have done a lot better putting their own dollars in their own bank rather than having the govt do their investing for them. That is all this boils down to whether you wish to acknowledge it not. I am done and gone.
I don't think you give Bush
Although I totally agree with EVERYTHING you said, I'm sure that Bush will find a way to keep all the kids of his rich "base" out of combat, the same way he was kept out of combat by his rich dad. Maybe if Dubya had the GUTS to see some combat action on his own, he'd think twice before sending our children out to die for a bogus war that he needs because he feels that no president could be considered truly successful without one military "win" under his belt.
He said this in 1999, TWO YEARS before 9/11:
"My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it." He went on, 'If I have a chance to invade…, if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency.'"
He's beyond moronic. What kind of SUBHUMANOID USES 9/11 and all its victims as an EXCUSE to do what he's wanted to do all along?
And yes, you'd better believe there's going to be a draft. I have 2 reasons for believing that.
1. Because, as you said, we can't meet recruitment quotas because our bright young people are opening their eyes and aren't willing to die in an unnecessary war for a government that does nothing but lie; and
2. Read my lips: BECAUSE HE PROMISED THERE WOULDN'T BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give it up, sm, I did. Come on over to the C board. :) NM
kennedy does not give?
Does not put his money where his mouth is? Do you have an inside as to how he spends and donates his money? I dont but I would suspect coming from the Kennedy family that he donates pretty significantly to situations that need it..If you dont know for sure, then I would suggest you not post derogatory posts about the Kennedy family..if you do know for sure, post the information here, just dont rant and rave without proof..Thanks!
Give me a break.
The CON board has been demoralized by nonstop drive-by vitriol for months. Forgive me if I'm neither surprised nor particularly perturbed to see that the worm has turned here. My congratulations, though, extend to all those who post with the very obvious intent of ridiculing and harassing those with opposing views to the point of eliminating rational discussion on these boards. If their purpose is to eliminate rational discussion of important political issues, they seem to be succeeding.
They may give us Jeb. Gasp! nm
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I will. If you want a reference I will give it to you. You may not like it though...sm
You give him a lot of credit
In your view one man single-handedly has brought the world down in 5-1/2 years. That's really giving Bush a lot of power. If Clinton and other Democratic presidents were soooo great then why didn't they single handedly make the world a utopian place when they were in office? Wow, Democratic presidents must have really sucked if you have the view that the Office of the President of the United States holds the power to either make the world Heaven or Hell. It seems the Dems could do neither. Man, they were lamer than I ever imagined if your view is correct.
Isn't Bush the one trying to give them
??
Can you give some examples?
I am interested in hearing your common sense solutions to the problems our President has faced and how you would have handled the issues differently. Have you thought about running for President? You should if you're up for the great task. I'll vote for you!
Can you give links on any of this....
other than..."I heard..." Believe me, the way auto sales are falling, if they could manufacture one that ran on water and sold for $1200 they would be selling them, because $1200 is better than zero...good grief. Talk about your conspiracy theories. All the automakers are downsizing and grasping to try to sell cars and they would NOT ignore something they could build and sell cheap...simple economics 101. The Wal-mart approach to car sales, and they all know how successful wal-mart is, because all the pieties about "I only buy American" and "offshoring" fall to the wayside in favor of "cheap." All those same people who gripe about wal-mart buying overseas and supposedly mistreating their employees run over each other to get to the sales, and don't think they don't. Typical Democrat mantra...do as we say, not as we DO.
As to the car McCain offered the bounty for on the battery...he was talking about one that would replace what is in use now...not one whose top end is 30 mph and you have to charge it after an hour. Good grief, get your facts straight. :-) I am sure he meant one that would at least do 50 mph and you could drive it to the quick pick and back without having to plug it in. That being said, I did see where Toyota (on the US side) is working on technology to attach solar panels to charge batteries. Of course, that would mean leaving that sweeetttt little sports car out in the sun...ahem. Bet Teddy Kennedy won't be buying one and I bet RFK Jr. won't either...lol. Gotta love'em. DO as we SAY...not as we DO.
oh give me a break!
as the person said above, ive never used his whole name, and i said it for impact, not because i care about him. Honestly, I don't know McCain's Middle name! or Joe Biden's or Sara Palin's. pathetic that you talk about me in third person. ask like the person above. again you know nothing about me, i have pics all up on my myspace of me shaking Obama's hand and me at his speech... you know the old saying if you assume you make an a$$ out of you and me!
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