Kinda makes me rethink the whole stimulus package........
Posted By: sm on 2009-02-12
In Reply to: Now THAT's the smartest thing I've read in a long time! nm - sm
Evidently Pickens Plan was incorporated in there..........as much as it was allowed!
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Has anyone heard anything about the stimulus stating that if you're white, do not apply?
Stimulus Package
I've read a lot about it on line and decided to get the info from the government itself.
Division B is where the so-called stimulus for us is located. A whole 5 pages or so. The rest is for millions and billions to go to:
Agricultural Research Services, buildings and facilities
Farm Bureau Salaries and Expenses
Natural Conservation Sevices Watershed and flood prevention operations, watershed rehab, fisheries
Rural Development Programs, rural housing services, utilities including distance learning, telemedicine,and broadband program
Bonneville Power Administration
Appropriations Transfer Authority: Department of Energy for `Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy', `Electricity Delivery and Energy Reliability', and `Advanced Battery Loan Guarantee Program'
Financial Services: GSA, federal building fund,energy efficient government motor vehicle fleet procurement
Then we come to small businesses. Economic Stimulus LENDING for small businesses.
Shall I keep going or does everybody get the jist of this so-called stimulus package?
Stimulus package, etc.
I absolutely agree with you. You are 150% right.
Boooo... stimulus package
Is anyone else not happy about this stimulus package? 
Stimulus Package breakdown
I know some of you don't like Glen Beck, but he has broken it down by the numbers and provides links so you can check the facts yourself. It sounds okay until you get to the heading: "When is the money going to be spent, and on what?"
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/20639/
Stimulus package -- what the pubs want..(sm)
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=pete%20sessions%20taliban&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#
Stimulus package could be hazardous to your
health. Take a look at this little hidden jewel.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs
Healthcare provision in stimulus package
Apparently this was added in at the last minute by an unknown. I heard bits and pieces about this today in between working, but never really got the whole story. Did anyone get the whole story?
Congress now looking at THIRD stimulus package...yippie!!! More of .
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Obama’s Stimulus Package: A Pricey Experiment ..sm
I am especially concerned with the question and comparison regards to homeowners in the second to the last paragraph.
Obama’s Stimulus Package: A Pricey Experiment
By Andrea Tantaros
Republican Political Commentator/FOXNews.com Contributor
President-elect Barack Obama is prepping to jam another massive stimulus plan down our throats. Lately the president-elect has been hitting the media circuit to sell this monstrosity and each time he launches into his pitch he proves that what he lacks in actual specifics he makes up for in vocabulary. But is this bloated bill just a ruse for another big, federally funded bailout for struggling states?
Obama
According to Obama, his road and sewer stimulus package would pump billions into things like “infrastructure” and “green jobs.” Wait a minute, nobody is saying that the failure to spend over $700 billion on roads and sewers created this mess, and no one saying that new sewers will get us out of it. Obama has insisted that we must invest in what works. How do we know green jobs will work and provide a return? We don’t. And it’s quite a pricey experiment to find out.
What’s most troubling is the notion that more taxpayer money is heading right for states that are in the red. Just a few weeks ago, governors and mayors made their way to Washington, DC to hound Obama for a handout. Now mayors across America have submitted over 11,000 proposals for some bailout cash including one to fund a mob museum in Vegas. Talk about a real gamble in Sin City. Is Tony “The Ant” Spilotro really our best bet?
Take New York for example, a state that’s in financial ruin. The Empire State is facing a $15 billion budget deficit. Why would we encourage a state that spent itself into disaster to spend more? There are workers already repairing sewers and roads around the Big Apple and America. Will Obama give money that will be spent on existing jobs or hire thousands of new sewer workers?
According to Obama, “only government can break the vicious cycles that are crippling our economy…where an inability to lend and borrow stops growth and leads to even less credit.” What our future president doesn’t understand is that the vicious cycles were caused by the government through the creation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and the refusal to regulate, in part because there was a belief that a regulation would prevent the prosperity associated with owning a home. How do we expect government to be part of the solution? According to CNBC we have allocated 7 trillion to fix our economic crisis and there is $300 billion currently left in TARP. Is that not enough?
Obama is refusing to ask the same question that homeowners didn’t answer when the mortgage mess was going on: Can we afford to borrow this money? At some point we are mortgaging our national security by letting developing countries buy our debt. The more we spend the less we have to spend on our national defense. What if China develops a distaste for buying our debt? Maybe refusing to borrow more money might be the best thing for us. Sort of like the way parents cut off a frivolous child’s allowance.
On the campaign trail Obama campaigned for balanced budgets. This might be his first broken promise. While we wait to hear answers about what this massive deficit spending will do to our currency, to inflation and to our national security even Obama admits that his recovery plan alone will not solve all the problems that led us into this crisis. (So why are we doing it??) I’ll tell you what, for a trillion dollars, it better.
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/01/13/tantaros_stimulus/
You are completely skipping the part about the stimulus package
It is on his own blog! How is that fair in the least little bit? So because my husband is a white construction worker who has worked hard ALL his life, payed his way through college without taking out loans or borrowing money (it took him six years to graduate because he was working and taking classes) took out a mortgage that he could handle, yet now due to the housing crisis and economic crisis is getting the short end of the stick, just because he is white he shouldn't be included in this package?
And someone attacked me earlier for being racist and saying that maybe he just wasn't the "best candidate" for a position. I think I can 100% say it didn't matter if he was the "best candidate," it mattered that he wasn't a minority.
This is so out of line. There is no such thing as EQUALITY. Never will be.
The real story is that this is supposed to be a stimulus package.
I can see from your post how this would help save states money over time, but how would it help stimulate the economy now? It wouldn't and that's why people are so upset.
The real story is that this is supposed to be a stimulus package.
I can see from your post how this would help save states money over time, but how would it help stimulate the economy now? It wouldn't and that's why people are so upset. Even Obama has said that if it doesn't create a job or save a job, it doesn't belong in there.
Obama hopes the stimulus package is large
How is paying for somebody's birth control gonna produce jobs or a 20 MILLION dollar minor league baseball museum, 20 million dollars at a zoo, OR 1.5 million to reduce prostitution in Ohio? This is nothing but a pork barrel project.........isn't that what Obama said he WOULD DO AWAY WITH? All pork barrel spending? What a joke!
With the stimulus package there are built in tax credits for small businesses and SBA...sm
I have worked in retail as an assistant buyer and see their profit margins...and I know there are many legit, honest, mom and pop stores, but they usually make up for it by hiring school kids for slave wages and also family members. I am talking about across the board, in factories, retail, hospitalitiy, techno, every sector, these workers would all be paying more EACH WEEK into the the tax stucture in this country, strengtheing our reserves, becomeing consumers themselves because they can finally afford something....I feel like I dropped from another planet here, or industry in MT is not the norm by far.
Liar, liar - Sen. Dodd Admits Adding Bonus Provision to Stimulus Package
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/18/sen-dodd-admits-adding-bonus-provision-stimulus-package/100days/
Rethink this please. If that is your aim...sm
voting straight republican would put republicans in charge, republican president and republican congress. Better to use your head and go back to your previous method of voting for either party based on who you think is best.
There is nothing to rethink
I also would not stop loving my children if they decided to engage in this behavior. I would be afraid for them and ashamed of their choice. I would NOT stop loving them. However, I would not accept it as right just because my children were engaging in it. I don't have to walk in someone else's shoes to know the difference between right and wrong. Of course, she is not responsible for her grown children. I never said she was. And I do, STILL, have every right to tell someone what I would or would not do in this case. A person shouldn't stop believing in God's word just because he/she's children go against it. I won't anyway.
You want to claim bias? Might want to rethink that.
Pictures and videos can dispel those myths.
The first 3 links are a few more articles on civilian casualties. You will notice they do not come from Al-Jazeera. Below that, THE LAST 9 LINKS ARE VIDEO accounts from a variety of sources. WARNING. These videos are extremely graphic and quite disturbing. If you are faint at heart, have just eaten or if there are children in the room, DO NOT VIEW THESE ACCOUNTS. However, if you are interested in this an unsanitized report of this conflict as seen by everybody else outside the US, take a deep breath and take a look at our tax dollars at work.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3922951,00.html
Details Israeli ground assault road kill, all in a day's work, some including entire families.
1) 13 in the Assamouni family including mom, dad and 8 children ages 4-15.
2) Abu Ashais family, mom, dad and 5 children.
3) 29 civilians on the Gaza City Strip, 17 of which were children from 3 families.
4) 4 civilians in Beit Hanoun.
5) East Gaza City, a mom and her 4 children.
http://www.countercurrents.org/habeeb050109.htm
1) 5 civilians at a mosque in the northern Gaza Strip
2) 17 members of the AL Atatra family in Beit Lahiya.
3) 3 paramedics and ambulance driver in Shikh Ejlin.
This article goes on to document 55 civilian fatalities in various places.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/day-11-israeli-war-gaza-620-dead-3000-injured
Day 11 of Israeli war on Gaza: 620 dead, 3000 injured. This is what a local news story documenting the civilian deaths looks like.
http://vodpod.com/watch/1268366-more-children-killed-as-war-on-gaza-continues-05-jan-08
More Children Among Gaza Dead
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/06/gaza-israel-death-un
Dozens dead after Israel bombs UN school in Gaza. Short clips of UN school bombing.
http://vodpod.com/watch/1268366-more-children-killed-as-war-on-gaza-continues-05-jan-08
Norweigian MD says he has only treated ONE Hamas military among the other hundreds of injured and dead.
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/the-holocaust-of-gaza-part-one-/3978540845/?icid=VIDURVNWS02
The Holocaust of Gaza (Part One)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHjJAS9L8iE
Gaza Holocaust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=028fbRTpxaY
Gaza Holocaust, same name, different clip
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/israel-attacks-on-gaza-dec-27-2008-first-images-cnn-report/2305843012760637851/?icid=VIDURVNWS01
Israel Attacks First Images
http://uk.truveo.com/Raw-Israel-steps-up-its-strikes-on-Gaza/id/1194450857
One Man's Grief
http://palestinevideo.blogspot.com/2009/01/latest-from-gaza-1609-from-democracy.html
Parts 1 and 2. In depth 21-mnute investigative report by Amy Goodman.
I kinda think they would both
look out for themselves. That's exactly what they're doing now, trying to win the prize, never mind if they have to whack their own mother...but that's just my opinion.
Most of what is in the package O wants
are for PERMANENT jobs; i.e., those jobs will never go away, but they are for jobs that will not help the average person. We will be paying forever for those jobs.
As I said before, stimulus means jobs, tax cuts, housing fixes, etc. What most of the package contains is stuff that should be in a regular budget. Cut it from 600-something pages down to 4 or 5, or at least 10 at the most, and you have something.
I posted McCain's amendment above.
Well...that kinda clears it up...LOL. (nm)
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Kinda like US Weekly!
Who has lost thousands of subscriptions over that so-called piece about the sex and lies. Both Megyn Kelly & Laura Ingraham made that loon look even more stupid than he was. But it's so easy to do. All one needs to do is take their words and hand them right back to them. Gets 'em every time.
I don't give any party a free pass, tho. I have more respect for my own self than that!
try "craps out"....kinda like...all the...nm
crap that spats out of you and others of your ilk on this board, towards the republications.
Your handle of TP fits
kinda on a different tangent but....sm
but my husband said to me the other day, that Biden is the gift that keeps on giving....to the other side that is, what with all his verbal gaffes in recent days.
There's a reason Biden never made it past the primaries in all the other times he tried to run for prez.....your articles included, and the fact that he keeps dissing his own side (unintentionally, of course, but I guess that's just Joe).
It might be kinda' cool!
I was just kinda shocked to see you
would campaign for a known unqualified person for the presidency. I do imagine they wll get around that though one way or the other. He is just what we need for president. NOT.
It should be interesting. I just wonder what kind of deal was "really" made between Obama and Hillary. Unless I miss my best guess she isn't going to play second fiddle to anyone.
I was kinda wondering about that myself
Considering the veil of secrecy the previous administration operated under, I'm kinda stunned that they're making this an issue. I don't remember this outrage when Cheney held his secret covert meetings to form energy policy with the members of the oil cartels. That directly impacted each and every one of us as it served to guide policy, yet I don't recall this outrage from the right regarding that.
I'm an independent (the real kind, not like Bill O), but I'm just a bit amazed about the short memories some people seem to have if they Obama is raising the fear level.
For the original package...(sm)
but unsure if it will help as it stands. The popularity of the against vote for the bill has been fascilitated by some keen advertising on the pub side. I'm hoping Obama will call the pubs out on tonight's address and point out exactly what it is that pubs want in the bill (more tax breaks for the wealthy that we can't afford), and in particular, which pubs want it. If he does that keep your eye on the polls. People will be outraged.
It's done. He just signed the package.
Got a kick out the guy who owns a small business out there. So young and employs 55 people in 3 years. He mispronounced Biden's name and everybody laughed. I don't think he realized what he did. He was nervous.
Ok....I just thought it was in kinda bad taste.
But...whatever floats your boat. I did think I would never hear anything negative about the left leaning from him...and I never expected to hear him say that. Oh well...whatever floats your boat. Enjoy! :)
Does the behavior on this board not kinda...
support that?
kinda syrupy, but cute.
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This was kinda cute for Halloween....sm
http://www.comics.com/comics/jumpstart/index.html
(halloween political link.....)
Happy Halloween all.......going to splurge and get myself some candy, since living on a mountain we don't get any trick or treaters...unless you count the bears that aren't hibernating yet!!!
Dunno but I think it's kinda cute. n/m
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Well, crow is kinda tasty once you get used to it. LOL
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You mean kinda sorta like some retired ex-MTs who do the same..
and paint gourds in their spare time?
Yeah, kinda sorta like those. LOL
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Oh, I get it. Kinda like the bailed out banks
I feel so much better now.
Hey, what kinda pansies hold their
tea party indoors?
I kinda like the puff, light, etc.
Saves some money and if I put them down, they go out instead of burning away. I had my first carton of 'em last week. Took 7 days for that carton. Sunday I started my second carton. I'm almost through that one today because it's not a "puff and light."
Some day....
I never met a soldier who didn't want a package.
Bringing them home does not enter into this. Yet AGAIN you cannot stop your political agenda long enough to think of just the troops. I know now it is impossible. We all want them home. ALL OF US. It's just that some us would like to make their lives as easy as possible while they are away, and SOME OF US WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
The O also voted for the bailout package. (nm)
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I've read too much about this package
and it will not help the people that need help. It doesn't provide help to the regular "joe's" out there that need help. It is all about the greed again. Most of it will only help regular "joe's" by the year 2011, not now. By that time, we will either be down the tubes or everything will have corrected itself on its own.
I don't think government should meddle in ways to try to turn the economy around. It only mkes it worse. Look at all the handouts in the first stimulus package. Did the regular "joe's" get any help out of it? Nope. It will be the same with this one. Did you see Glen Beck's breakdown on the package posted below? If not, I suggest you look at it or else I can post it here.
It goes to show that the democrats don't give a darn about us, just their agenda even though 11 democrats voted against it. That has to say something. Evidently, the democrats (and I don't mean this harshly) didn't get enough calls from their constiuents to knock this package into oblivion. They were in a hurry to pass it? Why? Not because it would help us, but because they wanted it passed before anyone really got a chance to see what it entailed.
Sorry, but I disagree with you whole heartedly. This will not help. It will only hurt. This will take our dollars down to zero and the next thing you know, we will be taking wheelbarrows of money to the store to buy a loaf of bread if you can even find it in the stores.
I've been taking the package apart.
I see no jobs for this area.
In fact, 2 years ago, they turned a whole mountain into windmills. Who has those jobs? The company that put them there. Their guys come from another state to maintain and repair them. No locals are employed by that company. Doesn't make sense but that's the way they do it.
Poll: Are you for or against the stim package?
I am against it.
It's gettin' kinda late, but you got me LMAO.
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Nahhh.....I just thoughtit was kinda cute. nm
I won't hide! It's kinda hard to give
posts any merit when the writer won't come forward. I don't like getting slammed, but what the heck--guess I deserve it sometimes.
Yeah...kinda like a 'whack-a-mole'...
And just who, pray tell, is Crackers? Sounds kinda
But, whatever makes the three of you happy...
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