Joe Blow sounds like the typical Floridan to me. And PS:

• Obama's tax plan - mt
  • I think you're numbers are wrong. The top 5% of - Underpaid MT
  • 40% of TOTAL US population (i.e., most of mid class) - Owns less than 1$ of national wealth. sm
    • Not OK with me, cuz for me, that would mean I have - about 40 cents of the nat'l. wealth. :(
  • Question. We are MTs. Right? - Do your incomes exceed $250,000/yr? sm
    • Here in Cali, $250/year is pretty run-of-the mill, - middle-income. Dont buy much, either.
      • haha.... that's pretty LOW! That should be - $250 THOUSAND a year, not $250! ;D
    • No, mine doesn't, but many small businesses... - sam
      • 1 more time. INDIVIDUAL income means 1 person. - Not a couple, not a small business, sm
        • While you are at it, look up S corporations... - sam
    • i don't care what the individual income is - florida
      • So will you still feel that way the next time a hurricane wipes - part of Florida off the map? Then again....
      • Very "Christian" of you. nm - oldtimer
        • What?? - mt
          • Joe Blow sounds like the typical Floridan to me. And PS: - please don't botch this election like 2000's
        • Kind of a low blow... - sam
          • I know Pagans, Satanists, and Hell's Angels that do more - TRUE charity-work than most 'Christian'
          • That's what they all say. nm - oh please
            • No, that is what they all DO. Obama is the one... - sam
              • Last-worditis. - nm
        • LMAO. Thanks. - I needed a good knee-slapper. nm
      • Any person earning less than $57,490/yr - Falls into the lower 40% of...sm
      • Would you like a tax cut? - Would that help you out at all? just curious. nm
      • What is so hard about answering a - simple question with a direct answer? nm
    • Just in case you skip the message, - am asking about INDIVIDUAL ineome. nm
  • Any Democrats think this is a good plan? - mt
  • Exactly. It is income redistribution, even though he denies it... - sam
    • How can he deny that? - mt
      • He denies it for the exact reason the interviewer said... - sam
      • "income redistribution" is just a fancy term for - STEALING to me. "Robin Hood Obama". nm
  • If his tax plan scares you, check out his Global Poverty Act. Link inside. - MT and worn out
    • Good grief! and under the "oversight" of the UN... - sam
  • I so much agree with you. Some will have to give - back close to HALF what they earn! nm

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The Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg conference, or Bilderberg Club is an unofficial annual invitation-only conference of around 130 guests, most of whom are persons of influence in the fields of business, media and politics.

The elite group meets annually at luxury hotels or resorts throughout the world — normally in Europe — and once every four years in the United States or Canada. It has an office in Leiden in the Netherlands.^[1] The 2007 conference took place from May 31 to June 3 at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Istanbul, Turkey.^[2] The 2008 conference took place in Chantilly, Virginia, United States ^[3] .^[4]

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The original Bilderberg conference was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg, near Arnhem in The Netherlands, from May 29 to May 31, 1954. The meeting was initiated by several people, including Joseph Retinger, concerned about the growth of anti-Americanism in Western Europe, who proposed an international conference at which leaders from European countries and the United States would be brought together with the aim of promoting understanding between the cultures of United States of America and Western Europe.^[5]

Retinger approached Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, who agreed to promote the idea, together with Belgian Prime Minister Paul Van Zeeland, and the head of Unilever at that time, the Dutchman Paul Rijkens. Bernhard in turn contacted Walter Bedell Smith, then head of the CIA, who asked Eisenhower adviser C. D. Jackson to deal with the suggestion.^[6] The guest list was to be drawn up by inviting two attendees from each nation, one each to represent conservative and liberal (both terms used in the American sense) points of view.^[5]

The success of the meeting led the organizers to arrange an annual conference. A permanent Steering Committee was established, with Retinger appointed as permanent secretary. As well as organizing the conference, the steering committee also maintained a register of attendee names and contact details, with the aim of creating an informal network of individuals who could call upon one another in a private capacity. Conferences were held in France, Germany, and Denmark over the following three years. In 1957, the first U.S. conference was held in St. Simons, Georgia, with $30,000 from the Ford Foundation. The foundation supplied additional funding of $48,000 in 1959, and $60,000 in 1963.^[6]

Dutch economist Ernst van der Beugel took over as permanent secretary in 1960, upon the death of Retinger. Prince Bernhard continued to serve as the meeting's chairman until 1976, the year of his involvement in the Lockheed affair. There was no conference that year, but meetings resumed in 1977 under Alec Douglas-Home, the former British Prime Minister. He was followed in turn by Walter Scheel, ex-President of West Germany, Eric Roll, former head of SG Warburg and Lord Carrington, former Secretary-General of NATO.^[7]

If choosing between a president who had his penis sucked in the oval office, and a president who threw unequipped National Guard troops under the bus to try to impress his daddy, I'll take the Prez with the healthy sexual appetite any day.

10 Reasons to Impeach G. W. Bush and Dick "Shoot 'em Up" Cheney (BTW it is too bad Cheney and Bush never went hunting together):

1. Violating the United Nations Charter by launching an illegal "War of Aggression" against Iraq without cause, using fraud to sell the war to Congress and the public, misusing government funds to begin bombing without Congressional authorization, and subjecting our military personnel to unnecessary harm, debilitating injuries, and deaths.

2. Violating U.S. and international law by authorizing the torture of thousands of captives, resulting in dozens of deaths, and keeping prisoners hidden from the International Committee of the Red Cross.

3. Violating the Constitution by arbitrarily detaining Americans, legal residents, and non-Americans, without due process, without charge, and without access to counsel.

4. Violating the Geneva Conventions by targeting civilians, journalists, hospitals, and ambulances, and using illegal weapons, including white phosphorous, depleted uranium, and a new type of napalm.

5. Violating U.S. law and the Constitution through widespread wiretapping of the phone calls and emails of Americans without a warrant.

6. Violating the Constitution by using "signing statements" to defy hundreds of laws passed by Congress.

7. Violating U.S. and state law by obstructing honest elections in 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2006.

8. Violating U.S. law by using paid propaganda and disinformation, selectively and misleadingly leaking classified information, and exposing the identity of a covert CIA operative working on sensitive WMD proliferation for political retribution.

9. Subverting the Constitution and abusing Presidential power by asserting a "Unitary Executive Theory" giving unlimited powers to the President, by obstructing efforts by

1. Violating the United Nations Charter by launching an illegal "War of Aggression" against Iraq without cause, using fraud to sell the war to Congress and the public, misusing government funds to begin bombing without Congressional authorization, and subjecting our military personnel to unnecessary harm, debilitating injuries, and deaths.

2. Violating U.S. and international law by authorizing the torture of thousands of captives, resulting in dozens of deaths, and keeping prisoners hidden from the International Committee of the Red Cross.

3. Violating the Constitution by arbitrarily detaining Americans, legal residents, and non-Americans, without due process, without charge, and without access to counsel.

4. Violating the Geneva Conventions by targeting civilians, journalists, hospitals, and ambulances, and using illegal weapons, including white phosphorous, depleted uranium, and a new type of napalm.

5. Violating U.S. law and the Constitution through widespread wiretapping of the phone calls and emails of Americans without a warrant.

6. Violating the Constitution by using "signing statements" to defy hundreds of laws passed by Congress.

7. Violating U.S. and state law by obstructing honest elections in 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2006.

8. Violating U.S. law by using paid propaganda and disinformation, selectively and misleadingly leaking classified information, and exposing the identity of a covert CIA operative working on sensitive WMD proliferation for political retribution.

9. Subverting the Constitution and abusing Presidential power by asserting a "Unitary Executive Theory" giving unlimited powers to the President, by obstructing efforts by Congress and the Courts to review and restrict Presidential actions, and by promoting and signing legislation negating the Bill of Rights and the Writ of Habeas Corpus.

10. Gross negligence in failing to assist New Orleans residents after Hurricane Katrina, in ignoring urgent warnings of an AL Qaeda attack prior to Sept. 11, 2001, and in increasing air pollution causing global warming.

 Congress and the Courts to review and restrict Presidential actions, and by promoting and signing legislation negating the Bill of Rights and the Writ of Habeas Corpus.

10. Gross negligence in failing to assist New Orleans residents after Hurricane Katrina, in ignoring urgent warnings of an Al Qaeda attack prior to Sept. 11, 2001, and in increasing air pollution causing global warming.

I have to admit this is the first thing I've ever seen of his. He seems a bit out of it, to say the least.  He's also twisting reality beyond the bounds of truthfulness.

Why do we constantly get hammered with these ridiculous slanted, partisan postings?  Could we PLEASE JUST ONCE be shown something by the conservatives that is not from a propaganda source? 

....is when somebody posts the hypocrisy in your posts you accuse them of something in an effort to change the subject.

Go ahead and have the administrator track my IP address.  I don't have anything to hide.

They're desperate.  The fact that she had the decency to even think of something is refreshing.  Truthfully, both parties need to try it more often.

If they want to continue this, fine.  We can just keep reminding them how nobody on their side does anything to return $ to the taxpayers.  All the libs want is to redistribute wealth and take more $ from you to give to someone else while further bloating the gov't.  This is why the Republicans were punished by America and also their own party.  They deserved it.  Now we're reclaiming our party.

Ask your accountants how it'll affect you.  I suppose some people will get lucky due to random numbers, but not the bulk of Americans.

Cut and run. It's your mantra.  For all your crying about the innocent civilians killed in Iraq, that is NOTHING compared to what will happen when we leave.  But you never mention that.  Just like Vietnam.  Well, at least your are consistent.

There's an addendum that is also 2 hours, done last year, all about the Federal Reserve and exactly what it is and its function.  V-e-r--r-y interesting . . . and scary.  I haven't seen the whole thing yet, but I will definitely sit and watch the whole thing later.

Maybe we can pick this thread up again after you've watched!

I paid well above minimum wage...I guess reading my post it looks like I paid minimum.  That was my mistake.