It was a witch hunt plain and simple. But the bad thing about it???
Posted By: MT and worn out on 2009-01-20
In Reply to: Bush let those 2 border agents - NM
He just commuted their sentences. They will not get their jobs back again because they were not pardoned. I did not know there was a difference, but evidentally there is. So....they might be walking free, but who's going to pay all the bills? And make up for all the missing family times? Not Bush 2 that's for sure. Nor the "Anointed One." He has his own set of problems.
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Perhaps....and perhaps it is a witch hunt....
we'll see.
Not as old as the witch hunt and
At least JTBB posts factual verifiable information and attempts to engage intelligent and informed discussion.
Th witch hunt is getting desperate.
Such thoughtless ignorance, such little time. Where to start? Obama's father left him mom when he was a baby. He is a child of divorce. In his entire life, he knew his father for 1 month. He has some communication with Kenyan relatives but not all of them. It is not surprising that they would not have that much in common, having been raised by different parents of different races halfway around the world from each other.
So, against this background, consider if you will how divorced families in the United States relate to one another. If you yourself were from a divorced family, would you necessarily keep up with the whereabouts of your dead father's HALF-sister wh you never knew? Would you even know her last name, her husband's name, how many children she has or even her hometown?
I would not expect him to even know she was in the United States, much less her legal status. Furthermore, I would not be sticking my nose into an elder relative's personal affairs, asking such questions as to her legal status. I would probably respect the elder and give her the benefit of the doubt. In fact, it would ot even cross my mind.
Having said that, there is another aspect of this family situation that comes into play. African family structures operate much, much differently than American families. Many tribes in Africa reckon the identity of their children through the MOTHER, not the father, like we do here in the west. Wives do not take their husband's names and neither do the children. Therefore, kinship via the mother's ancestors is central. So here we have a combination of divorce, death of a relative who abandoned his son, geographic separation, racial separation (being raised in a white world) and cultural separation. It is not at all hard for me to understand that he would not have known her legal status or even that she was still here. If the contribution came from a New York address, there would have been no reason for campaign workers to question its legality, nor would they have know she was his aunt.
All I need to know about Obama's family values is the way he treats his own wife and children and what he says about responsible parenting. I think is is ridiculous that you have the gall to sit in judgment over something you have no way of knowing anyhing about. Grasping at straws in the 11th hour of the campaign will not win any elections.
The witch hunt is getting desperate
While I realize that Obama's book is WAY over your head, you should be able to grasp at least its title...DREAMS of my father, as in how an abandoned son might imagine his father and feel the need to understand the parent he never knew. Unlike you, I do not get my information from YouTube, fringe chat rooms and Fix Noise, errr, I mean Fox News. I actually read BOOKS and have read up on Obama enough to know a little bit about the estrangement he feels from his Kenyan family and when I wrote that, I had Maya Soetoro-Ng in mind who maintains a relationship with Obama.
I studied African tribal family structures and America family structure in (now get ready) college...cultural and social anthropology, cultural geography and sociology of family courses for starters and have maintained an interest in cultural studies for more than 30 years, so I CONTINUED to read about these subjects of interest. Survivor TV would be on your level, not mine. Obama supporters are, how should I say this, known to be a tad more educated than (how did that political analyst says it yesterday?...oh, yes) the downscale McCain voter and as such are much less prone to the mob mentality that adopts and chants flock buzz words such as "sheeple" and the like. Then again, I would not expect you to be ale to wrap you brain around African tribal customs and how kinship reckoning affects cultural family value systems, especially outside of the lower 48, but I do think that Obama's global mentality probably get the gist of it.
Now, if you don't mind, I need a breath of fresh air and a little distance between myself and this ignorant post of yours.
It is a witch hunt. If you were interested in the truth
drawing all these conclusion about a story that has not even come out yet. The lady says she'll spill the beans after the 5th, but looks like waiting that long would take the winds right out of the sails of the impotent smear campaigners.
Witch hunt on previous administration?
Ah, for the waterboarding? I would suggest you acquaint yourself with the fact that America put Japanese war prisoners to death, yes executed them, for the same thing as your previous administration now stands accused of, torture. Strange how it was horrible when it was done to Americans but now it is ok? You, dearie, need to be off the panic button. This is like mass hysteria with people running scared, of what? Oh, I saw yesterday where Obama has now been called the superpresident, nice sound, huh?
My goodness. O witch hunt sure is keeping you busy.
It is in its 3rd day. No comments on the discussions regarding party revamp? How about today's agenda? Keep your eye on Jindel. He did a great job in Louisiana with disaster mgmt...and GOP will be neding plenty of that in the 2008 election aftermath. Seriously, as a left-wing commie Marxist terrorist unAmerican anti-patriot, he has GOP leadership written all over him. Mayb you should take a hate break and take a look at him.
Plain and simple............
If you're black or minority in this country, you can run your mouth all you want and make racial jokes and say nasty things and we are all supposed to look the other way but if you make a joke or say anything that is remotely considered racial (which is anything when speaking of someone black), then AL Sharpton and every other nutjob comes out of the wood work to run their huge mouths. No one is going to probably do anything about Letterman, because he is a loud mouth liberal piece of crap and Palin seems to be an obsession with him. Why doesn't he make nasty jokes about the Obama girls and see where that gets him. For that matter, why is everyone in such an uproar over the gorilla remark if blacks and liberal whites are allowed to get by with their nasty racial and biased remarks?
Always a double standard! They want their cake and eat it too!
Because it's a lie, pure, plain and simple...
We do have free speech but it is wrong to make things up about people. Didn't your mom teach you that? The stuff about Palin and Bush are facts. What you put about Obama being compared to Hitler is trouble making slander and liable and hateful. I won't even respond to you anymore on this board because it gives attention to a person who doesn't deserve it. All I can say is OBAMA WON AND THAT MEANS THE MAJORITY WANTED HIM SO TOUGH NOOGIES.
Obama is just trouble....plain and simple.
There are so many things that I don't agree with him on. You can't raise taxes for small businesses in this time of crisis. You can't have all of these government assisted programs and only tax the rich because that won't be enough to cover all the expenses. He will have to tax us all including the middle class which he professes to want to help even though "spreading the wealth" will keep us down in the middle class because we won't be able to afford to make it into the upper tax bracket. Basically his plans are aimed to help the lowlife scum who don't want to work. As for his healthcare......like Oldtimer said below.....you can't make insurance companies pay for pre-existing conditions like that. If no one wants to pay for health insurance until they have a major illness.....these insurance companies are supposed to pay for a pre-existing condition when this person is just now paying insurance premiums. The insurance companies won't have any money to pay out if that is how it will work because no one will want to pay for insurance until something major happens. It just won't work that way because it can't.
Obama is a socialists through and through. I'm tired of the media and his supporters ignoring his associations. I'm tired of people throwing up the race card. It is just absolutely ridiculous. Just because I'm a white woman not voting for Obama....that doesn't make me racist. Yet you never hear about the people voting for Obama just because he is black.....is that not also racist?
This whole election is just screwed up. I hope to God that this next debate has something in it worth watching and I hope McCain tears Obama a new butthole!
Being called gay is an insult, plain and simple.
It's even used in popular slang as an insult, i.e. 'that's gay'. They are NOT accepted in mainstream society or they wouldn't have to be making such a stink right now trying to become accepted. It is deviant behavior, and deviant behavior should not be legal. Whatever you do behind your own closed doors is your business, but that's where it should stay.
It was a campaign trip abroad, dear sm....plain and simple.
perhaps he accomplished what you say he did, in your eyes. But it was definitely a political trip. A global political trip, no doubt about it.
McCain is ancient history. I'm kinda glad he didn't get elected, as he's shown his true colors of late.
And your third paragraph? Nice try, dear.
au contraire.....what they do on the conservative board is bash the left....plain and simple. I thi
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She took it personally because she was attacked personally. Plain and simple.
Where did you get your debating skills? On the south side of Chicago in some street gang? Because if you did, it shows.
In a REAL debate, there is no room or tolerance for personal attacks. Yet, that's all you people know how to do. You can't stay on the issue. You MUST attack the poster personally, claiming to know not only what they think and feel but also claiming to know what every liberal ever thought or did, what they're thinking and doing right now and what they will be thinking and doing for the next 1,000 years. In fact, you seem to know everything about anything that ever existed on the planet, exists now or will exist into infinity.
As I (and others) have said repeatedly and you just can't seem to grasp, if you constantly treat people badly, they're not going to want to associate with you. Lurker was very gracious in her posts to all of you on your board, but even she, in the end, couldn't tolerate your continued, nonstop, personal attacks any more (as she indicated in her responses to the attackers). If you ever stop knowing it all and become interested in the proper way of debating someone, you could learn a lot from Lurker. You see, having *thick skin* is only important if you're a thug in a gang somewhere. It's irrelevant when it comes to treating humans like humans, and in that area, you have a lot to learn.
As for me, I like to learn from intelligent, friendly people with different political views, so I visit boards where those kinds of people are found. Not all conservatives are angry, rude, come out swinging and need to personally attack 1,000% of the time. Some of them are actually quite nice and informative, and they can be found on other forums. Too bad they can't be found on MTStars.
Have a pleasant evening. 
Closing Gitmo is not as simple as simple
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simple exercise or simple mind
ever heard of thyroid dysfunction, ever heard of drugs that cause weight gain (such as steroids) or any other cause for obesity? Don't be so self-righteous.
Rhymes with witch.....sm
Our Founding Fathers are probably spinning in their graves to see what has become of the country they so proudly fought for.
It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Wicked Witch of Wasilla
She is being further investigated on yet more incidences of abuse of power. The fact that she and Todd built their brand new home using the same contractor that just happened to get the contract to build a new 10 million dollar sports complex in Wasilla simultaneously has led some to question the whole deal, and possibly acquiring, shall we say, the means to do so through this contractor. That's just one of them. Watch Keith Olberman tonight on MSNBC. They have her all figured out! Obviously someone believes this woman is shady enough to warrant this further investigation.
And, there were also the Salem witch trials.
Do you know anything about them? They persecuted 19 people because they were thought to have cavorted with the devil, and it all started with a little girl lying about a woman in order to save her own little a@@!! Lies, religion, politics.. don't mix very well.
Pathetic witch hunts!
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I dont consider that witch to be capable of
seem to recall someone else protecing herself again a WITCH...haha
hmmm, real sound judgment there. So if Palin wins and decides to seek advice from shamans or witchdoctors, you are okay with that?
On Palin, AKA The Wicked Witch of Wasilla
For someone that we collectively have only known now for 8-9 weeks or so, we sure have discovered a lot of very questionable things about her that blatantly shows her lack of integrity, her intelligence of matters of the country (and the constitution), the many, many lies that she has been caught in lies, her very un-Christian-like behavior that provokes people to such a base mob frenzy (all done with a simpering smirk), her very obvious hunger for power and the spotlight, and now she is even turning against her running mate trying to make him look bad in a very sneaky backhanded way in order to further her own very demigogic agenda. I, for one, cannot understand that there are still so many people out there that just will not see the truth. Trust me, there is lots more to come in the next 10 days!!
The Wicked Witch of Wasilla, talk
about goulish!!
Ann is a biterr and jealous petty little witch.
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Witch trials in 1692....constitution 1787...
puritanism gave way to Christianity. You got it backwards. Respectfully.
thou shalt not suffer a witch to live
who or what is considered a witch?
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:vPGqU17zor4J:www.associatedcontent.com/article/1066050/thou_shalt_not_suffer_a_witch_to_live.html+shall+not+suffer+a+witch+to+live&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us
They can't, sam, or just plain don't want to. nm
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MSNBC doesn't encourage these witch hunts at all. Sheesh
Convention III of the Geneva Convention has to do with treatment of Prisoners of War.
Identifying who is to be classified as a POW is specifically called out in detail in Art 4 of Convention III.
The AL Queda and Taliban rogues, and other ''terrorists'' DO NOT fall under the protections of Convention III, commonly referred to as Common Article III.
And you are just plain genious - right??? sm
Widge, I was as nonconfrontational as not to even post my opinion under your comment to heartsick, and I'm the dingbat just because you don't like my opinion. LOL. Go for something more original next time.
Seriously, you are not the only person I have heard say that, or else I would not have paid it much attention. That statement has become government policy, rhetoric, whatever you want to call it on Iraq, which would be agreeable if it were directed to our efforts against the Taliban in Afghanistan. The people who attacked us on 9-11 followed us into Iraq, not the other way around. You were there in the beginning so you know that is true.
The jury is still out on whether Iraq is a safer and better place as a result of the war, but I hope you are right.
It may come as a surprise to you, but I don't want us to up and leave the Iraqi people stranded either. We owe them more than that, even though we have given much already. I don't want two generations from now to be fighting a stagnant war in Iraq either. The other points you brought up are either debatable or agreed.
Sam, you are just plain wrong. That is just...sm
more republican propaganda.
There's plain ol' rich, and then there's
Like yer Wall Street execs, bank CEO's, etc. Even worse our this nation's spoiled, mollycoddled pro athletes.
Does any of their wealth trickle down to us? Nope. The more tax breaks and loopholes they get, the more we have to take up the slack and fill in the gaps.
If they can pay a football player $38 million to play a stupid game, then I think those of us who actually work for a living should at least get a few more cents per line.
Now this is just plain ignorant
Of course we'll be taxed REGARDLESS of which figurehead gets put in office.
Get a clue though my friend, the REpublicans are NO friend to the average working JOE (plumber or otherwise). Do you for a New York second think the party who represents the RICH is really going to come to the aid of the middle and lower class? Give that a rest. Democrats are a hair better and that is NOTHING to brag about.
And while you 're at, how about documenting the bill in which you Obama voted to pass - so that we can read the details for ourselves. We can do our own research but if YOU are goign to make claims like this you at least have to tell us thebill in question, and WHERE you got your information.
LOL! Either desperate or just plain sloppy.
Are THEY just plain stupid or do they think WE are? 
I think a lot of the naysayers or just plain green...
She's got so much going for her, and you all are so jealous of her, that you just can't stop yourselves from been mean with green envy.
She's got it all.....she knew how to make it happen for herself, and just went and did it.
Not even can say that, now can they?
Not 'scared'. Just plain p!ssed-off, after
watching Dubya and his little friends do more harm to this country and its citizens in 8 years than it will be able to recover from in 20.
And you're just plain rude to her again and again...sm
Didn't the moderator tell you guys to stop it, for like, the umpteenth time this past week?
Leave sam alone, geez.
Gist = Just plain racist.
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This is just plain silly. You are wrong. nm
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but calling someone plain ignorant is okay? whatever!
nm.
You're being just plain ridiculous.
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Say what you like, this country is plain giddy
and I am right along with others in Obama being sworn in tomorrow. Even other countries are anticipating the new person being there. Bush has been a disaster for dealing with other nations and I personally am so happy and yes, giddy, that Obama already has such a high rating and as being seen by people who they now feel can perhaps get this country back in shape. People who are still fighting amongst themselves really need to stop and take heed. He is here, the majority are very happy and bashing him is doing no good. I am taking off tomorrow and seeing my new President sworn in!
This is just plain crap - see message
Anytime anyone says anything that doesn't elate the messiah you scream racism.
Statement - "I don't like his policies". Your reply - "your a racist".
Statement - "The people he picked for his cabinet are not qualified" - Your reply - "your a racist".
Statement - "He lied to us in his campaign. Offered us hope but there is no hope." - Your reply - "your a racist".
Statement - "We're tired of him spending money that hasn't even been printed yet". Your reply - "your a racist".
Statement - "It's about time we have someone of a different race in the WH". Your reply - "Right on. I agree with you."
This racist bull is getting old and so untrue, but whenever you can't argue with something you scream racism. GET OVER IT! We have. Enough with this "racism" thing. If you can't bring a conversation then just don't say anything, but please spare me with the racism crap.
Author of this link is an acid-mouthed witch hunting hate monger
has made a career out of spreading division and hate. She makes Michele Malkin look like a Marxist comrade. She is Anti Obama, Anti-Hillary, Anti-Democrat, anti-liberal, Anti-McCain (he's too "liberal", Pro-Palin and (gt this) Pro-Bush. She positively worhips the guy.
I reviewed the titles of her newspaper articles and WITHOUT EXCEPTION she publishes these types of articles. Some of her more notable titles:
1. Obama's Contempt for our Constitution.
2. In Palin-Gibson Throwdown--Gov Get A, Media F (I am SO SURE).
3. Where is Obama's TESTICULAR Fortitute? (little trash mouth).
4. Ding Dong, the With Is Dead...referring to Hillary's defeat in the primaries.
5. Barack Obama's Snake Oil.
6. Is Hillary Mentall Ill?
7. Hillary's Slapped-Around-By-Men Problem Bodes Ill for the Presidency.
8. The STELLAR Legacy of George W. bush.
9. The Rest of the World Loves President Bush (this woman needs some serious antipsychotic drugs).
10. Liberals Don't Support Our Troops. If she were in the same room with me, the only way I could control my urge to deck her would be to remove myself from her presence over this outrage.
11. Pathology of Liberalism.
12. Hillary: Typical Actions of an Abused Woman.
13. The 7 Deadly Sins of Liberals.
You see, this is why citing sources matters. Credibility....NOT. She is a fanatic hawking a hateful agenda. No surprise there that she would be onboard with this BC lunacy.
Dem, you're just a plain dingbat. What I meant and what
you should have been able to process is that I would rather war not occur on US soil. Saddam brutally murdered mass numbers of people. I believe he had WMD, but it doesn't matter what I think or what other people think because the proof that he did have WMD was clear with the murder of all those people. Take a look at some of the few survivors and see that scars that remain. Oh, and let's not forget about one of his favorite pasttimes, beheading. That sick SOB had connections in several countries and was a serious threat to every single country on the planet. A person has to be absolutely stupid to think that all going to Iraq was and is about is oil. The people of Iraq are liberated, they're free, they're voting, all things they never dreamed of having under Saddam's rule. Are there still problems with insurgants? Absolutely. Change doesn't happen overnight, it takes time and that's why our men and women are still there. Their job isn't done. If you ask service people what they think, they'll tell you the same thing. My cousin, by marriage, is a major in the Army, been in the service for 18 years, and knows that it's not time for President Bush to pull the troops out yet. So, now that I've posted my 2 cents, I'm going to add that I'm not Republican, I'm not Democrat, I don't vote by party, I vote by who I think will get the job done. I mentioned that because I don't want readers thinking that I MUST be a Republican just because of what I posted.
just plain rude - keep 'em coming
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Nancy Pelosi is just plain disgusting. How did she
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The essence of their outrage is hijacked by just plain hatred.
hatred of Bush, anything to do with Bush. The mere mention of his name causes the bile to rise and the red mist to engulf them. They hate, hate, hate. They blame, blame, blame. It's what they do. There is no having conversations with them. They don't see reason. They don't see fairness. They see nothing but hate.
That is just plain wrong, checked your hateful source
and I find it incendiary
Well, I gotta tell ya - nothing is more creepy to me than Ann Coulter - now that's plain SCARY!
Protocol, etiquette (and plain good sense)
Is there no one advising the prez & co. on protocol and/or etiquette or even basic manners anymore?
When you bow to a monarch, you are placing yourself as one of his subjects, or at least as subordinate in rank.
On the other hand (no pun intended) when a gentleman meets a lady, (not just a queen) it is proper for him to wait for the woman to initiate contact. A man waits for the woman to extend her hand for shaking...or not. And only a dolt of either gender puts his/her arm around somebody to whom s/he has just been introduced. Puh-leeze!
I know that some adjusments have been made in the business setting, but this does not take the place of knowing the proper thing to do in a social or political situation. I do not think the rules of manners and civility have changed overnight, have they?
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