Isn't google wonderful? For expanding your narrow scope? sm
Posted By: indy on 2008-12-09
In Reply to: Must have. Guess my scope was too narrow. - Confined my search to the current century....sm
I also remember them comparing the two a while back, especially since Studds passed away recently. I guess it does depend on whose imagination you're stretching, doesn't it.
Nice of you to be so graphic about it.
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Must have. Guess my scope was too narrow.
Besides that, while comparing one to the other, some folks might make a few distinctions between the 2. Studds was openly gay US federal level politician, a seat he held for 24 years. In 1973 he had a legal, consensual relationship/affair with a 17-year-old minor congressional page (age of consent being 17), Dean T. Hara, who became his partner for life and who he later MARRIED in 2004 Evidently, they had to wait for gay marriage to become legal, or would have married much earlier. Hara had clearly stated "knew exactly what he was doing" when he had the affair with Studds. Since the act was legal, no charges were filed and Studds received a congressional censure for inappropriately engaging in a relationship with a subordinate, after which he was re-elected to 6 consecutive terms. Studds worked consistently for same-sex marriage, AIDS funding and civil rights for gays and lesbians. His behavior was entirely consistent with his politics. Studds was no hypocrite. He died 2 short years after he was finally allowed to marry the love of his life.
Fast forward to the current century. Mark Foley one of the foremost opponents of child porn, worked on behalf of missing and exploited children and worked to outlaw web sites featuring sexually explicit images of preteen children, which he considered as a "fix for pedophiles." He also worked for tougher sex offender laws. Upstanding guy, yes?
Enter the creep factor. Behind the scene, he was sending solicitous e-mails and IMs to former teenage male congressional pages OVER A PERIOD OF TEN YEARS. To his credit, I suppose, in at least 2 cases, he waited until after the boys turned 18 and 21 respectively, before having sex with them. He sent 5 emails to a former 16-year-old page in 2004, when among other things he requested the minor send his photo and remarked about the great physical attributes of another underage page to him. He reported this to a senior official and said he had been warned about other female pages who had been "hit on."
In 2002, he invited a 17-year-old over for oral sex, an offer the youth declined. He had asked another for a photo of his erect penis. That guy knew 4 or 5 other pages who had received similar sexually explicit emails. There were at least another half-dozen or so pages who received the sexually explicit IMs.
There's more, but it is pretty sordid and would be quite time-consuming to get into on this forum. Suffice to say that these "advances" were unwanted and unsolicited. They occurred over a decade with so many pages one loses count and were reflective of a pattern of sick, sick behavior. There was the spectre of stalking underpinning the episodes. All of this was occurring while the HYPOCRITE was doing the above described "good works" legislation.
Studds and Foley were both indiscrete, to be sure, but beyond that, there is no real comparison. Call me crazy here, but somehow, I do not see these 2 behaviors as being the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.
Must have. Guess my scope was too narrow.
Besides that, while comparing one to the other, some folks might make a few distinctions between the 2. Studds was openly gay US federal level politician, a seat he held for 24 years. In 1973 he had a legal, consensual relationship/affair with a 17-year-old minor congressional page (age of consent being 17), Dean T. Hara, who became his partner for life and who he later MARRIED in 2004 Evidently, they had to wait for gay marriage to become legal, or would have married much earlier. Hara had clearly stated "knew exactly what he was doing" when he had the affair with Studds. Since the act was legal, no charges were filed and Studds received a congressional censure for inappropriately engaging in a relationship with a subordinate, after which he was re-elected to 6 consecutive terms. Studds worked consistently for same-sex marriage, AIDS funding and civil rights for gays and lesbians. His behavior was entirely consistent with his politics. Studds was no hypocrite. He died 2 short years after he was finally allowed to marry the love of his life.
Fast forward to the current century. Mark Foley one of the foremost opponents of child porn, worked on behalf of missing and exploited children and worked to outlaw web sites featuring sexually explicit images of preteen children, which he considered as a "fix for pedophiles." He also worked for tougher sex offender laws. Upstanding guy, yes?
Enter the creep factor. Behind the scene, he was sending solicitous e-mails and IMs to former teenage male congressional pages OVER A PERIOD OF TEN YEARS. To his credit, I suppose, in at least 2 cases, he waited until after the boys turned 18 and 21 respectively, before having sex with them. He sent 5 emails to a former 16-year-old page in 2004, when among other things he requested the minor send his photo and remarked about the great physical attributes of another underage page to him. He reported this to a senior official and said he had been warned about other female pages who had been "hit on."
In 2002, he invited a 17-year-old over for oral sex, an offer the youth declined. He had asked another for a photo of his erect penis. That guy knew 4 or 5 other pages who had received similar sexually explicit emails. There were at least another half-dozen or so pages who received the sexually explicit IMs.
There's more, but it is pretty sordid and would be quite time-consuming to get into on this forum. Suffice to say that these "advances" were unwanted and unsolicited. They occurred over a decade with so many pages one loses count and were reflective of a pattern of sick, sick behavior. There was the spectre of stalking underpinning the episodes. All of this was occurring while the HYPOCRITE was doing the above described "good works" legislation.
Studds and Foley were both indiscrete, to be sure, but beyond that, there is no real comparison. Call me crazy here, but somehow, I do not see these 2 behaviors as being the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.
Expanding
on that point. Never, not once, has McCain topped Obama in the polls since the beginning of the season. As soon as the SP excitement has diminished and voters begin looking at the issues, Obama's numbers will rise again. The last I heard (2 days ago) he was up 8 points. Its nice to see the country engaged in the election.
You consider Social Security and Medicare expanding government projects, t hen?
Help me understand this concept. I am afraid the logic escapes me.
Did we know the scope of his atrocities then?
I'm going to have research that a little bit, because I was just a kid in the eighties. I don't know the exact year the turning point happened with Iraq.
I have a question for you though, would you like to see Saddam back in power? I'm just kind of wondering whose side you're on?
My father in the 40s and 50s (not so long ago in the scope of things) sm
Was a white child growing up with no mother and an alcoholic father. A black woman who lived nearby with her own children used to let him come and eat with them. If not, he would not have survived. As he grew up, he didn't see race as a boundary...he had many friends both black and white. He loved to dance and in those days there were "black" dance halls and "white" dance halls. He liked the music and dancing better in the "black" dance halls and loved to go there and dance with his friends. The KKK came to our house one day in the late 60s and stomped my father while wearing golf cleats all over his body. We have come soooo far since then, but there are still people who bear the scars of those days. I think for the majority, prejudice is dying off. We are realizing how utterly ridiculous it is to judge someone by their skin color, blue, purple or orange. But I do agree there are still some who are hurt and cannot trust. The only racists or bigots I see these days are very uneducated and unintelligent people. I hope and pray we can all just get along and that no one hurts anyone else over all of this. My 11-year-old son said to me months ago, before Obama was even nominated, that he was afraid if Obama was elected someone would try to assassinate him, and that the same thing might even happen if Hillary was elected. My 11-year-old child could see that with his own eyes, even before I saw for myself the hatred that some people have. God help us protect whichever candidate wins, because there will be enemies either way.
Are you that narrow-minded?
Are you so stuck on being "anti-religious" or amti-Christian or whatever that you don't realize everyone that opposes abortion is not a Christian?
Why is it if someone opposes abortion they MUST be Christian. If someone opposes abortion that has no religious beliefs, what do you call them? Maybe they just know murder when they see it?
only the conservative, narrow-minded ones!
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That is the MOST narrow-minded post....
I have seen here. Got a mirror handy? :-)
narrow minded? yup that is the O lovers
P.S. - last time someone was called stupid they were banned.
You don't like what I have to say fine. Maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself. No need to be rude - oh wait! Your an O lover. Guess you do feel you have the right to be rude.
As Ben Franklin said, which fits perfectly about your post, .... "Better to keep silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".
More like narrow minded people
Without resorting to throwing out some silly retort.
Who says your way is the right way? That is why we live in AMERICA - we are FREE to make our own choices. It is not up to the government to watch your children. That is YOUR job. Their job is to uphold the Constitution OF the people BY the people...lest you forget!
Perhaps your narrow world, not mine.
Trying to figure out exactly what a community organizer does (besides having dinner with terrorists, listening to - but never actually hearing - hate speech in church, rallying fraudulent votes, etc.).
Perhaps you could enighten me, o wise one?
Nor I with the cloistered and narrow-minded.
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No, I challenge you to show me mean, narrow minded,
shallow, pure hatred from the reps to the dems on this board.
I think you libbies have it won down pat. Same on other boards, not just this one.
And for that matter, show me anywhere, that same degree of "hatred" toward Obama, that is now being shown to Gov. Palin.
I don't mean mere dislike, or spoof of his lack of anything, either. I mean the hatred.
Republicans don't act that way. But if they have, please give me an example, please.
It doesn't narrow our view of the world,
it expands it.
That is so narrow-minded and not true. You are so judgemental (sm)
apparently, you are the only non-racist, good person in the United States, aren't you? Take yourself off your pedestal. Many of us are just as kind-hearted and see race as a nonissue as you claim to be. Get off your high horse.
You've got to be kidding! How narrow-minded
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Your views are so narrow. Blind religious fanatacism
Sad.
Wonderful
Wow! We agree! Wonderful. :O)
Thank you for such a wonderful
contribution to this board.
Have a pleasant day. 
Wonderful? For who? Certainly not
the American people.
Slick and glib speaker. Yes.
Too good to be true? Yes.
Loving father and husband? Yes.
Cool as a cucumber? Yes.
Good for our country? NO. Unless you want to live like the Cuban and Russian people.
WONDERFUL????
I support abortion rights 100%. Do I think it is wonderful, no, but I think it is a personal choice. Strange choice of words you used...
thank you for that wonderful
youtube of our pledge of allegiance where it says, just like I said above, one NATION under God. Not one America as you so incorrectly typed above. Thanks for proving me right though. Kudos!
This is wonderful.
Finally, some good news on the domestic jobs front. Thanks for posting.
Google
Do a Google search with the word "failure" and check out the first listing.
Please google it....
There are statistics too numerous to count to draw from. Poverty in this country seems to be a well-documented and studied statistic. The same goes for worldwide standard of living statistics.
Wikipedia is only as good as its sources which generally are provided and in this sense it is no different than any information source. That's my feeling, anyway.
Sorry but I can google as well as you.
Big Hillary backer, raised $100,000 for her, married to a rich guy, lives in New York and London. blah, blah, blah. I don't base my vote on who is endorsing who. I have a mind of my own. Babs raised $9 million for Obama in a night. She must be pretty powerful too!
You can....google it. nm
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google it...here let me help you....sm
get started.
Actually, this one shows Joe Kennedy manipulated the media big time....called in favors....etc., etc., etc.,
http://www.ytedk.com/jfk.htm#president
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy
I don't need to google
I live in the same town as them. They don't pay for anything. Cheapest people you could ever meet.
Google
I didn't hear about this, but today I was googling bacterial vaginosis, STDs and all kinds of icky things. Hope they don't think there is an outbreak of gonorrhea in my house.
please google
Helen Thomas and "ignored" and see the precedent set by smirky.
Google it......
There is PLENTY of information on it and a DEFINITE variation in a homosexuality gene. They even have like five different theories on why this gene mutated as such.
Then you should just google...(sm)
"Hannity's revolution." That way you'll have plenty sources to choose from.
Google can be
as truthful as the media. Come out of your closet. ;-)
Wonderful news
So glad your husband is home. I know you must be thrilled. My brother-in-law came home right before Christmas to 4 kiddos and my sister who missed him terribly. He was in Kuwait years ago and just finished his second tour in Iraq. I think he is retiring soon.
However, he doesn't support the war and now votes (mostly) democrat. I think he and my sis are fighting beween Obama and Hillary :-)
It would be wonderful if it was that simple....
so let's just make it REAL simple. If you want on SCHIP, you have to pay an additional 3% off the top in your income taxes. Democrats in Congress want to expand it, 3% off the top of all their salaries from now on to fund it. That would probably take care of it for years to come. If not, then start down the registered Democrats' tax rolls and if they favor the program, 3% off the top of their salaries to pay for it. Don't force it on people who are not going to use it, who pay their own premiums, to pay for it. Let those who want to expand it fund it. Simple as that. Sounds fair to me.
Hillary is wonderful
Hillary is wonderful so is every other democrat running..ANYONE is better than the tired old men running as republicans. I would vote for my dog before I would vote for a republican. We need four years of peace and prosperity and building our reputation in the world and healing this country and fixing all the destructive things this administration has done here and abroad. Hillary, when she worked as a lawyer, was one of the top five lawyers in America. Her IQ is higher than Bill and that has to be quite high as Bill is quite an intelligent man. Contrast that to the person in the WH now. I think his IQ must be around 75 to 90.
Thank you for your wonderful responses!
I am truly impressed by all of the posters who responded to this question in such a compassionate and intelligent way. You have renewed my faith in the people who post on this board, and for that I thank you!
Personally, I think that any medicine that can help relieve human suffering should, without a doubt, be legal and made available to those in need. The voters of California or any other state that wish to have marijuana legalized should have that right without interference from the federal governent.
Again, thank you!
Welcome to the wonderful world of
Been typing derm for FAR too long to ever make the mistake of using a tanning bed.
And, isn't it wonderful that these animals
creatures of the wild.....wonder how many of them are in favor of abortion? Natural animal instinct to care for their young.
Its a Wonderful Life
Warren Buffet and Barack Obama
George Baily and Mr. Potter are finally friends George will be the richest man in town!
What a wonderful quote!
Thank you so much for sharing this timeless quote with us today, zoesnana. It seems so fitting in light of our current economic status. President Jefferson was a very wise man!
Wonderful post. :) nm
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sounds wonderful
thank you so much. I just might make that in my regular oven first!
I think it is wonderful and cannot happen
Gitmo has been a horrendous stain on the reputation of our country, and closing it will be a major step in improving our standing in the world.
As far as how Bush got re-elected, well...just read some of the posts here. That should be explanation enough.
On this wonderful, glorious day, let us
celebrate the fact we in the US have a new change of guard, a new president and a wonderful opportunity for everyone to pull together and bring to light what this man is all about. It matters not what you would have liked for things to be different, things are like they are. You cannot change faith try as you might. This was exactly what was supposed to be. No amount of remarks about him or his wife being bigheaded or snooty will take away the glory that is their's today. He is the choice of the people, he won and we should all be looking to him and his cabinet to maybe help some of you from the hardships you have been going through. I read posts here about their husbands losing their jobs, people not having work, worried about their homes- rejoice and perhaps the tide is turning. Some of you are not even giving this man a chance. Everyone deserves a fair shake and lots on here already doing their best to show the opposite.
Oh my! The parade is wonderful! nm
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Wonderful post! (nm)
Wonderful post! (nm)
Hopefully our foreign policy will change for the better now.
Wow, now that was a wonderful post, how I wish.......sm
more people here, and everywhere, felt as you do. Just wonderful. I was feeling really low and reading that post made me feel good. thanks so much for posting, I have been trying to do the same, we can all love our country, our fellow Americans, and try to help out, no matter partisan politics. thanks again and GOD BLESS YOU! :P)
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