Isn't amazing that you judged, sentenced, and stereotyped someone just from one Bible verse they

• Once powerful Christian Coalition teeters on insolvency...see article. - Democrat
  • By their fruits you shall know them:) - Zauber
    • Another saying. - SOY
      • I think your verse fits you to a tee. - Zauber
        • Isn't amazing that you judged, sentenced, and stereotyped someone just from one Bible verse they - sm
          • SOY was the one who made it personal anyway. - Democrat
            • She said SOME or did you miss that? nm - sm
              • No actually, she said MANY on this board, so from my interpretation she's talking about the most - Democrat
                • You are - Always right! :)
                  • Thanks! - Democrat
              • And it's up to you and SOY - to judge US on THIS board? see msg.
                • Amen to that! nm - Democrat
                • Oh, yeah yeah, whatever. There's plenty of satan here, that is for sure! - ...
                • Applauding!!! - Lilly
                  • You're welcome, Lilly. - see message
                    • And another *right-on* post! - Lilly
                      • Don't worry! - The Rapture Will pass You by.
                        • Bush Kool-Aid.nm - Democrat
                        • I guess God himself has spoken to you and informed you - Democrat
                          • I don't have inside info on rapture, - Lilly has
                            • Now, now, dear, it's not nice to lie. - Lilly
                              • Sorry - You're the liar
                                • Then prove I said what you accused me of saying. - Lilly
                                  • That was easy! - sm
                                    • Again... WHERE DID I SAY I HAVE AN INSIDE TRACK? - Lilly
                                      • Unfortunately, there are some who are only here to be disagreeable...nm - Democrat
      • Amen. - Alicia
    • I tell you, I didn't know that Pat Robertson tried to get on the republican ticket in 1988...sm - Democrat
      • No more of a radical than Jesus was. - Alicia
        • Two different kinds of radicals...sm - Democrat
          • So in other words, if fishers of men do not agree with your politics sm - ?
            • Since when do fishers of men advocate plotting murder? - Zauber
            • I'm not sure what you're getting, but do you think Jesus - Democrat
              • Again, it wasn't a comparison. - ?
                • I'm not competing with you though. nm - Democrat
        • Are you comparing Pat - Robertson to Jesus???
          • It doesn't appear they are. - Are you?
            • Yes, they clearly WERE. - Zauber
              • No, they clearly were NOT. - M
                • I think it's the meaning of "more" that evades you. SM - Democrat
                  • No it isn't!!! That is absolutely NOT a comparison! Get real! nm - sm
                    • Whatever you say sm... - Democrat
                      • You are always - Right :)
            • no - x

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I never gave this a thought. The previous incumbent was so poor and Palin scared the bejesus out of me and McCain isn't that much of a maverick and doesn't know squat economically that I never let race enter into my voting decision. For me it was an obvious choice. (Not my first choice but by Nov. my only choice.)

If you read through this cnn.com article, you'll read that blacks who were innovative do feel they're or were held to different standards.

The very fact that this article is worthy of being printed surprises me.

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(CNN) -- Just days before he was sworn in, President Obama was giving his daughters a tour of the Lincoln Memorial when one of them pointed to a copy of Abraham Lincoln's second inaugural address carved into the wall.

Obama's 7-year-old daughter, Sasha, told her father that Lincoln's speech was really long. Would he have to give a speech as long? Obama's answer was completed by his older daughter, 10-year-old Malia.

"I said, 'Actually, that one is pretty short. Mine may even be a little longer,' " Obama told CNN recently. "At which point, Malia turns to me and says, 'First African-American president, better be good.' "

The story is light-hearted, but it touches on a delicate question: Will people hold Obama to a different standard because he is the first African-American president?

Americans appear split by race on that answer. According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll, 53 percent of blacks say the American public will hold Obama to a higher standard than past presidents because he is black. Most whites -- 61 percent -- say Obama's race will not matter in how he will be judged.

The question divided several people who were racial pioneers themselves.

Alexander Jefferson was one of the first blacks allowed to become a fighter pilot. He was a member of the Tuskegee Airmen, a group of black pilots who escorted bombers in World War II.

"We had to be twice as good to be average," he says.

Obama won't face the same pressures he did because his presidential predecessor was so inept, Jefferson says.

"No, the world is ready for him," he says. "The [George W.] Bush debacle was so depressing."

Jefferson was shot down by ground fire on his 19th mission and spent a year in German prison camps. He wrote about his POW experiences in "Red Tail Captured, Red Tail Free: Memoirs of a Tuskegee Airman and POW."

Jefferson says he dealt with the pressures of being a racial pioneer by drawing on the strength of black leaders who opened doors for him.

"I sit on the backs of everyone who came before me," says Jefferson, who attended Obama's inauguration with other Tuskegee Airmen.

Jefferson says he would have emotionally imploded if he'd thought too much about the pressures of representing all blacks and dealing with the racism he encountered when he returned home to a segregated America after the war.

"I did what I had to do so I didn't go stark-raving mad," he says. "There wasn't all this self-analysis and back and forth. I was too damn busy with a wife, a child and a mortgage."

Michele Andrea Bowen couldn't avoid a bout of constant self-analysis. She was one of the first African-American students admitted to a doctorate program in history at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

"I know Obama is going to be held to a different standard," says Bowen, author of "Up at the College" and books such as "Holy Ghost Corner," which celebrate black faith and culture.

Bowen says she faced relentless scrutiny, and so will Obama.

"You know that it was hard for you to get in it, and you know they're watching you," Bowen says. "And you know that they're judging you by a critical standard that's sometimes not fair."

Bowen says a white classmate, her partner in dissertation, once confided to her that he received the same grades as she did, even though he knew his work was inferior.

"It toughened me up," Bowen says. "It can give you headaches and stomachaches. I learned you have to be thankful that God blessed you with that opportunity. At some point, you stop worrying, and you trust God."

'Would Bush have been president if he were black?'

Perhaps Obama will avoid those stomachaches because of the massive good will his election has generated. But that could change quickly if Obama makes a controversial decision or a mistake, says Andrew Rojecki, co-author of "The Black Image in the White Mind: Media and Race in America."

Rojecki says people who say Obama isn't going to be held to a different standard because of his skin color didn't pay attention to his campaign.

He says Obama had to deal with challenges that other candidates didn't have to face. Obama's run for office was almost ended by his association with his minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose incendiary sermons shocked many.

But Republican presidential nominee John McCain's relationship with the Rev. John Hagee, who was accused of anti-Semitism, never threatened to end his campaign, Rojecki says.

"Obama was held responsible for what his minister said, and McCain was associated with Hagee, but somehow that didn't stick," says Rojecki, a communication professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

Even people who regard themselves as the most progressive, open-minded supporters may subconsciously hold Obama to a different standard, Rojecki says.

He says several academic studies show that it often takes people longer to associate good qualities to blacks when different faces are flashed across a screen.

"They have these stereotypes buried in their subconscious," he says. "That's why people cross the street when they see a young black man. They'd rather not take a chance."

Obama virtually had to be perfect to overcome those stereotypes, Rojecki says. He was the first black Editor of the Harvard Law Review, he has an Ivy League-educated wife and adorable daughters, and he ran a great campaign.

"He's the perfect symbol of achievement," Rojecki says.

White candidates for office don't have to have an uninterrupted life of achievement to be considered for the Oval Office, Rojecki says.

"If George W. Bush were black, do you think he would be president?" Rojecki says.

Jefferson, the Tuskegee Airman, says Obama should have at least one consolation. The problems he confronts now are so immense that anyone, even someone who was considered by many to be perfect, would not be able to escape withering judgment.

"If the president was Jesus Christ, '' Jefferson says, "they would still debate if he's qualified."

I didn't specify who I was talking about when I said there are some people on this board who distort the truth and make things up.  But the ones I see doing that the most are the ones who posted a reply to my observation and were on the defensive when the did. 

that a lot of our "laws" are laws that are also spoken of in the Bible?  Wonder if that is a coincidence?

I've heard that most prisoners "get religion" when the are incarcerated.  I have heard they embrace all kinds of religion including wiccianism (if that's a word).  I don't know if this is true or not but lacking anything better to do at the moment, I think I'll research it as it strikes my interest.

Who said anything about the US being the head of that one-world government?

I have no idea.  I didn't.  I said under the same rule -- not necessarily under US rule.

I don't believe that the US will even exist as we know it by the time the one-world government comes into effect, much less have any power in a one-world government.

One can only hope.

And it is not based on speculation. It is based on the book of Revelation.

Why is it that when someone on this board says anything about relgion having a negative impact on legislation you guys get all upset, but when we look at the future of our government it's supposed to based on a 2000-year-old ghost story?   Why don't we just start looking into crystal balls.

I think this lends a great deal of credance to the theory that this election was engineered from the get-go and Obama was manufactured for this from birth.  Probably the scariest thing is that over half the people in the US will never believe this, even with documentations staring them rignt in the face,  and will just holler "sore losers" even louder than before.

I found this post there interesting:  "Not directly related to the original subject of our thread but the Reverend Joseph Lowery is going to be giving the major benediction at the Obama inauguration. Although the NY Times and Washington Post will not mention it, Lowery was the recipient of a free trip to Lybia courtesy of Muamar Qadafi and Lowery took the trip at a time when Qadafi was openly calling for attacks on America. Lowery’s junket was courtesy of the Lybian dicator who ordered the bombing of a disco in West Germany where American GIs hung out. An African-American was murdered due to Qadafi’s terrorism. And Lowery did not make a peep of protest. I can’t help but wonder why the NY Times won’t touch the issue of Lowery getting a nice goodybag from Qadafi. And Lowery’s comments about Israel and essentially about American Jews are vile. He is like Reverend Wright, albeit with a braver personal life story. But Lowery needs to be exposed for what he is."  But of course,  he is ONLY giving the benediction, so no need for the rabid right to get all bent out of shape about it.  Still, the left hollers about Warren and his biblical stance against homosexual marriage, probably the only  truly biblical stance the man has, but it's a start.

I would say that America has made a huge, huge mistake, but I think Obama would have gotten in even if every voter had voted for Santa Claus on a write in.  We are in big trouble, folks. 

...Barney Frank, who helped orchestrate the whole Fannie/Freddie fiasco, and later denied there was any problem (saying the agencies were were doing a splendid job) is now denying any responsibility.  Now he's saying the republicans caused it because it exploded on Bush's watch.  And now Frank is screaming for government oversight of banks who made *risky loans*  which dem-sponsored policies forced them to make.  It is so machiavelian!  You have to give them points for turning this whole thing to their advantage.  Now under the guise of fixing Bush's mess, they can slip in the whole laundry list of social policy changes they've been panting after for decades.  I am in awe. 

I remember some talk before the elections that younger voters only get their "news" from Jon Stewart and "The Daily Show."  I never agreed with that assessment because in order to "get" Stewart's sometimes subtle comedy, one had to know the real story in advance.

This is the first time I recall watching the "Daily Show" where I didn't laugh very much.  It seems that this IS the one time that Stewart actually did report some pretty important news that no other "mainstream" media source was able to do.

To me, this was probably the most important news story to cover (or try to understand) what happened to the economy.

It's a shame that it took a comedy show to do it!

(The link to the Hannity & Colmes interview referred to is http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/FetzerHannityColmes200606222.wmv).  I would definitely recommend watching this. 

There are a lot of *coincidences* here, it would seem. 

Regardless of your position on this topic, you cannot help but admit that a major coincidence (at the very least) took place on the morning of June 23, 2006.

It all began on the evening of June 22, 2006, when Hannity & Colmes (on the FOX/RNC Channel) had a guest on by the name of Dr. James H. Fetzer (see endnote). Fetzer is a member of 9/11 Scholars for Truth. Due to some unexpected initial confusion on the part of the hosts regarding their chosen attack theme (they got their facts FOXED, as Fetzer said), Fetzer was given a rare opportunity to answer an open-ended question -- almost without interruption. As the lawyers all say, Never ask a witness any question to which you do not already know the answer.

Colmes asked Fetzer something to the effect, So can you give us one piece of evidence that would tend to point toward 9/11 being an inside job by the Bush Administration?

While Ollie North (who was guest hosting for Hannity) was apparently still lost in confusion, Fetzer had a rare opportunity to speak a few full sentences without hostile, obnoxious interruptions. He said (and I'm paraphrasing here again), I point you to Secretary of Transportation Norman Minetta's testimony before the 9/11 Commission. Minetta said he had encountered Vice President Cheney in a bunker in Washington, DC, at 9:20 AM, on the day of the attacks [forty-three minutes earlier than Cheney said he had arrived]. Every few seconds a young man would come into the room and say, 'Sir, it's 50 miles out. Sir, it's 40 miles out. Sir, it's 30 miles out,' and so on. Finally the young man asked the Vice President, 'Sir, do the orders still stand?' Cheney replied gruffly, 'Of course, the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?'

Fetzer went on to explain that only later did Minetta learn that the young man was referring to Flight 77 approaching Washington, DC, and the orders the young man was referring to were obviously orders NOT to shoot the plane down. That's why the young man had finally asked if the orders still stood, to which Cheney replied that they did. Shortly thereafter, Flight 77 (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) struck the Pentagon.

Obviously, the producers of the Hannity & Colmes Propaganda Hour had not anticipated such a damning bit of irrefutable evidence to escape over their airwaves to their glassy-eyed, drool-chinned audience.

Here's the Real Kicker... The very next morning, less than twelve hours after his 9/11 testimony had been unexpectedly exposed to the FOX faithful, Norman Minetta resigned as Secretary of Transportation.

What an unbelievably amazing coincidence of timing!

Just for the sake of argument, let's say Minetta's timing was truly nothing more than a coincidence. If so, then he couldn't have picked a worse time to announce it (unless it was his relatively subtle way of sending a message to the masses). Or, if he was forced to resign by Bush/Cheney (for whatever reason), they couldn't have picked a more self-incriminating time to make it happen.

There has been barely a peep about Minetta's resignation in the mainstream media. I saw the same, generic, non-informational, totally uncurious five-second clip about it several times, but there has been absolutely no speculation as to why he did it (although his recent back surgery is implied to be the main reason). That's incredibly unusual behavior for our babbling heads, isn't it? Other high-level resignations in the last few months from the Bush Administration were the subject of endless babble among the MSM elite.

A Final Thought I can only imagine the sudden conflicting thoughts of at least five out of every one hundred Fox viewers who had heard Fetzer mention Minetta's damning testimony just a few hours before Minetta resigned. What must they have been thinking for a short time before their self-hypnosis kicked back in?

Click here to download the clip of the four-minute interview (in Windows Media Format). An AVI version is here.

[Note: James H. Fetzer (FM) Distinguished McKnight University Professor of Philosophy at the University of Minnesota, Duluth, a former Marine Corps officer, author or editor of more than 20 books, and co-chair of Scholars for 9/11 Truth.]
Source:  http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=consp_911&Number=284742411#Post294752412

what a gift to our country at this tumultous time.

You have made some very anti-semetic remarks about the Israeli's, and now you are being called on the carpet about it.  You've documented several times with your supporting remarks of the Muslim protestors in Washington (which I've failed to find any reference to besides your obscure article link) that you think Israel and the U.S. are mean murderous tyrannically-governed countries.  If you are going to take a side take a side, but your attempt to suddenly appear tolerant in the presence of a Jewish person is VERY disingenous, and I for one don't by it for a second.  Pick a side and stick to it.  If you don't support Israel then stand by your assertions.  If you do support Israel then you need to make yourself a little clearer, because all I see you doing is siding with Hezbollah.