Is it okay to show your patriotism at the office?
Posted By: sm on 2009-05-27
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For one Arlington woman, the answer was "no" after she hung an American flag in her office just before the Memorial Day weekend.
Debbie McLucas is one of four hospital supervisors at Kindred Hospital in Mansfield. Last week, she hung a three-by-five foot American flag in the office she shares with the other supervisors.
When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. "I was just totally speechless. I was like, 'You're kidding me,'" McLucas said.
McLucas' husband and sons are former military men. Her daughter is currently serving in Iraq as a combat medic.
Stifling a cry, McLucas said, "I just wonder if all those young men and women over there are really doing this for nothing."
McLucas said the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa. McLucas said the supervisor took down Debbie's flag herself.
"The flag and the pole had been placed on the floor," McLucas said. But McLucas also said hospital higher ups had told her some patients' families and visitors had also complained.
"I was told it wouldn't matter if it was only one person," she said. "It would have to come down."
McLucas said hospital bosses told her as far as patriotism was concerned, the flag flying outside the hospital building would have to suffice.
Kindred Hospital Corporate Headquarters are located in Kentucky. They have yet to make a final decision on the matter. They have not returned our phone calls for comment.
The Kindred Hospital Corporation was chosen as Fortune's most admired for 2009. McLucas hopes they'll back her patriotism.
"I find it very frightening because if I can't display my flag, what other freedoms will I lose before all is said and done," McLucas asked.
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They're too lazy to show patriotism......they're waiting
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do you think it is patriotism to run
this country into the ground as has been done in the past 8 years? That's patriotism to steal the wealth of America? Who cares about a pin? Give me a responsible govt. To become a third world nation, we are there already! This is definitely not the same country as in the 1990s. From Iraq to Katrina, to a major financial overload and thievery. We are there. Now how to get out? A flag pin is not going to do a darn thing!
Patriotism
you to accept and submit to our new president. All those hopeful abolitionists, succesionists, socialites and document questioners are directly UNDERMINING our country by spreading unrest and false stories when we need to gather together to work together. A simple piece of paper regarding a birth place is not relevent now that we have elected a great leader. Nothing can change our destiny, so Bind together. Weave together. Read together.
patriotism
Golly, it sounds like you are salivating at the thought that our president-elect will disappoint people. I remember his opponent, who he trounced soundly, always claimed that people should put their country first . . . not to look forward to being able to say "I told you so" to suffering fellow Americans.
Just goes to show the j@ckas@es/crooks running the show!
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Patriotism Index
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0622-33.htm
This is a good one. I don't hardly have any points!!!
Doesn't look patriotism got us too far
these past 8 years. That's my point. Conform? You will never get me to conform, I am a true patriot. Did Patrick Henry conform when he said, "Give me liberty or give me death?" No, he died being a patriot. You know nothing of patriotism. There has been no patriotism since Bush got in office. It's cronyism that's got us here, not patriotism.
So, your so-called patriotism has led you to believe
that torture is okay? Is that what 9/11 has done to America? To become something akin to a bunch of sadistic terrorists? Same thing. Torture is NEVER an answer. This country has gone through MUCH WORSE and has NEVER tortured. To me, it is so sad that the topic is even being discussed. Seems to me that AL Queda has got done what it wanted, to destroy America from the inside-out. Makes me sick to see how far we've gone already.
My patriotism stops at the freeloaders
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Sorry, but I see true patriotism being smothered
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We have just left a dictatorship. As for patriotism,
when W was in the WH, everyone who disagreed with him was labelled as NOT patriotic, FYI. How quickly one forgets.
We showed plenty of patriotism..(sm)
last Nov 4. Now THAT was a grass roots movement. Maybe you guys just didn't have the right kind of leadership for this thing. Maybe next time you should look into getting a community organizer.....
Dems trashed constantly over patriotism. So much for
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intelligent, true patriotism, positive
not talking about the Chris Mathews of MSNBC. Not the one that gets a shiver up his leg for Obama? He is nothing but an Obama, DNC butt-kissing, too far lefty for any hope and I shudder of the thought of him having anything to do with this country's government. All he knows how to do is report one side of any issue and get a shiver up his leg for doing it.
You wouldn't know patriotism if it gave you a freebie!
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Beck says - almost every show - that he is NOT doing a news show.
He does an opinion show - meaning HIS opinion. As such, he's entitled to stick pins in little Obama dolls for all I care.
I can hear Chris Wallace laughing at you folks from here because it's pretty obvious whoever wrote that knows zip about Beck, or Wallace for that matter. In fact, I can't think what Wallace has to do with Beck anyway. Everyone of INTELLIGENCE who watches Beck and Wallace is perfectly aware that one does one type of show and the other does another.
But what do you expect from one of George Soros' puppet sites like Media Matters and Move Bowels.org?
You really should delete your Favorites list and start over.
Saw the show. It was a guest on the show....
not a commentator. Why don't you post the link to the clip so everyone can decide?
Show me who your friends are and I’ll show you who you are.’
This subject is not old, and is very, very relevant.
Obama's friends/associates (supposedly former friends and associates, only since this campaign):
Ayers
Wright
Dorhn
Michelle
Khalidi
The company he keeps:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YThjYTU1ZDBjNmQ2YzcwNzU1MmYwN2JiMWY0ZGI0NDA=
I find it very, very troubling, that this man has no visible friends, other than the ones above (not Michelle, although she has been kept under lock and key out of public sight for some time now, so as to keep her from embarrassing herself again).
Does this man not have any other friends/associates, other than the ones above?
Has anyone here ever run for office?
Local,state, whatever. There seems to be a lot of complaining about how terrible the politicians are, but curious to know if anyone has ever run for office or actually held an elected position.
I certainly haven't.
GP, I think you should run for office
then when you get to Washington, you can clean up their act.
TL office
The office I worked in was in Houston. TL was actually started by an MT. I forget the name.
lying in office
It was a personal matter between he and his wife and Monica. He only lied when the govt tried to pry into his private life. It had nothing to do with national security, and since he was impeached for lying, Im just waiting for Bush to get impeached or Rove to be fired for lying about giving out the name of Valerie Plame to reporters to out her. If there is gonna be a standard about lying while in office, it should work for this administration too. One saving grace on that, the prosecutor, Fitzgerald, seems like a tough guy who does not take sides but finds out the truth.
Hope this guy never wants to run for office..
you know what they do to people who return their medals...those commie pinkos !!!!
A Veteran’s Letter to the President:
“I Return Enclosed the Symbols of My Years of Service”
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by Joseph DuRocher |
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President George W. Bush
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, D.C. 20500
Dear Mr. President:
As a young man I was honored to serve our nation as a commissioned officer and helicopter pilot in the
U. S. Navy. Before me in WWII, my father defended the country spending two years in the Pacific aboard the U.S.S. Hornet (CV-14). We were patriots sworn “to protect and defend”. Today I conclude that you have dishonored our service and the Constitution and principles of our oath. My dad was buried with full military honors so I cannot act for him. But for myself, I return enclosed the symbols of my years of service: the shoulder boards of my rank and my Naval Aviator’s wings.
Until your administration, I believed it was inconceivable that the United States would ever initiate an aggressive and preemptive war against a country that posed no threat to us. Until your administration, I thought it was impossible for our nation to take hundreds of persons into custody without provable charges of any kind, and to “disappear” them into holes like Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and Bagram. Until your administration, in my wildest legal fantasy I could not imagine a U.S. Attorney General seeking to justify torture or a President first stating his intent to veto an anti-torture law, and then adding a “signing statement” that he intends to ignore such law as he sees fit. I do not want these things done in my name.
As a citizen, a patriot, a parent and grandparent, a lawyer and law teacher I am left with such a feeling of loss and helplessness. I think of myself as a good American and I ask myself what can I do when I see the face of evil? Illegal and immoral war, torture and confinement for life without trial have never been part of our Constitutional tradition. But my vote has become meaningless because I live in a safe district drawn by your political party. My congressman is unresponsive to my concerns because his time is filled with lobbyists’ largess. Protests are limited to your “free speech zones”, out of sight of the parade. Even speaking openly is to risk being labeled un-American, pro-terrorist or anti-troops. And I am a disciplined pacifist, so any violent act is out of the question.
Nevertheless, to remain silent is to let you think I approve or support your actions. I do not. So, I am saddened to give up my wings and bars. They were hard won and my parents and wife were as proud as I was when I earned them over forty years ago. But I hate the torture and death you have caused more than I value their symbolism. Giving them up makes me cry for my beloved country.
Joseph W. DuRocher
Joseph DuRocher was for 20 years the elected Public Defender of Florida’s Ninth Judicial Circuit, covering Orange and Osceola counties. Since retirement, he’s been writing and teaching law at the University of Central Florida and the Barry University School of Law. He was a commissioned officer in the U.S. Navy in the 1960s, serving as a Naval Aviator in the Atlantic, the Caribbean and the Mediterranean. On Monday, Mr. DuRocher returned his Lieutenant’s shoulder bars and Navy wings to President Bush, and enclosed the following letter. Mr. DuRocher can be reached at: PDJWD@aol.com.
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Every second he was in office he was investigated. sm
I do not know how the man stood it. Arizona even introduced a bill to succeed because of constitutional complaints concerning Clinton, HRC 2034. Where is that bill now? No president has trashed the constitution like Bush.
I know MTs that have become office managers
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If the 'pubs end up in office again, all I can say is
Maybe he should run for some other government office.
They are in office for the last 8 years right?
and all yall voted for Bush right?
What about her office redecoration...sm
with city funds????
From the Huffington Post 9/17:
"Sarah Palin has been touting herself as fiscal watchdog throughout her political career. But Palin's tenure as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, was characterized by waste, cronyism and incompetence, according to government officials in the Matanuska Valley, where she began her fairy-tale political rise.
"Executive abilities? She doesn't have any," said former Wasilla City Council member Nick Carney, who selected and groomed Palin for her first political race in 1992 and served with her after her election to the City Council.
Four years later, the ambitious Palin won the Wasilla mayor's office -- after scorching the "tax and spend mentality" of her incumbent opponent. But Carney, Palin's estranged former mentor, and others in city hall were astounded when they found out about a lavish expenditure of Palin's own after her 1996 election. According to Carney, the newly elected mayor spent more than $50,000 in city funds to redecorate her office, without the council's authorization."
and from David Talbot at salon.com:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/17/palin_mayor/
If McCain is in office, we most definitely WILL
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Yes. He will be voted into office and be
He is a fine AMERICAN citizen who has dedicated his life to public service, has run a brilliant campaign, won over a "commanding" lead in the polls and will be making history in just 48 short hours or so.
8 years in office? sm
Pretty sure of yourself, aren't you, GP?
My husband just came into my office...sm
He was just watching Bill O'Reilly, and my husband said the most interesting things.
Ann Coulter is a humorist, not a politician. She says outrageous things, and sometimes they're funny (sometimes not, I guess). It's how she sells her books.
And I guess Bill and Ann don't like each other much.
The things she says offends those that are center right, and she really offended Bill O'Reilly. Bill thinks she gives conservatives a bad name, and part of that seems to be true.
But I have to agree with him. She can be very offensive in the way she talks and writes. Even though a lot of what she writes about may be true, she's not very nice about it.
No wonder she offends people.
Only 2 weeks in office and already
By what criteria? What he may or may not do? The stimulus package is only in the debate stage at this point, so no one can say what it will end up looking like. Before passing judgement and handing out indictments, suppose you at least wait until the verbs move from the subjunctive into the indicative moods and while you are at it, don't forget to factor in by way of comparison 8 years of lies, corruption, enrichment of corporate America and the wealthy on the backs of the middle class, scorched earth foreign policy, circumvention of the Constitution at every turn and that teeny-tiny thing we call torture
You mean the one they voted in BEFORE O took office?
a couple of weeks back, the first words out of Obama's mouth when he addressed his White House Staff were announcing a salary freeze on highly paid WH aides. Remember?
Wehether or not the Congress is able to vote in yet another salary increase in the future remains to be seen, doesn't it now? My question to you is why you are dodging the subject at hand? Please explain to me why the govt should not cap TARP CEO salaries?
I work in an office. EVERYONE there is against this
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My doc's office must be slipping...(sm)
They haven't asked me for my voter registration card yet, and I didn't see any signs when I went in denoting them as a dem or pub establishment. 
Consider the mentality of those who put him in office
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His office *knew* (tired) ...nm
so was it sexist of Hillary to run for office?
that's one of the most pitiful remarks and reminds me that the Dems are SCARED! or it would have taken longer than 5 SECONDS to bash her!
He was sitting in the office with them and they were briefing him...
but of course you have to have an open mind and yours is obviously snapped shut. If it doesn't come down from the DNC it doesn't exist. Got it.
Right! With Obama in office, where will the incentive
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but when his card gets to the polling office...
it will be knocked out and not counted. ACORN has to turn it in, it's up to the registrars in each town to verify it and count it.
Just wait and watch...Should the O get into office...sm
I would be willing to bet that taxes rise for everyone on everything, eventually. Goods, services, everything. I'm willing to bet people will lose jobs, because businesses will either scale down, or go elsewhere, or completely go out of business, because they can't or won't afford those taxes increases on businesses over 250,000.
Whatever....we will soon find out, won't we?
Gosh darn it, I sure don't want to pay 10 bucks for a loaf of bread, or 20 bucks for a gallon of milk!!!!
Big whoop.....like no political office ever does this
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Office of the President Elect...
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_president_elect_/2008/11/10/149643.html
Obama Invents 'Office of the President-Elect' |
Monday, November 10, 2008 12:54 PM
By: Jim Meyers |
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Barack Obama has created a stir by proclaiming that he heads “The Office of President-Elect” — an office that does not officially exist.
At his first news conference on Nov. 7, Obama stood at a podium bearing a sign that read: “Office of the President-Elect. Also, his Web site, Change.gov, bears the words “Office of the President-Elect” at the top of its home page.
Writer Larry Anderson referred to the “made-up little title” on the American Thinker Web site, and declared: “I nearly busted a gut ...
“Once again, [Obama] can’t wait to invest himself with the trappings of office.”
Conservative columnist Michelle Malkin wondered: “What other make-believe offices are they going to invent between now and Inauguration Day? I can’t ever recall in my lifetime any mention of such an office.”
Technically speaking, Obama may not even be the President-elect, according to the American Sentinel Web site.
“Megalomaniac Obama’s ego grows even more insufferable,” a weekend posting reads.
“Yes, he will be [president-elect]. But he’s not officially yet, until the Electoral College votes.
“The Constitution provides that on the Monday after the second Wednesday in December, electors convene in their respective state capitals. It’s then that they formally elect the President of the United States, based on the general election results.”
The Nov. 7 news conference did not mark the first time Obama has created controversy with a podium.
Back in June, he spoke at a podium bearing a new seal that altered the official presidential seal.
The seal did include the American bald eagle clutching arrows and an olive branch, but the Latin phrase “E Pluribus Unum” was changed to “Vero Possumus,” a rough translation of the Obama campaign slogan, “Yes we can.”
Obama’s seal also removed the shield over the eagle’s breast, representing the president’s oath to defend the Constitution, and replaced it with the letter “O,” presumably for Obama, and the image of the rising sun.
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Chris isn't running for office...LOL
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He wasn't voted out of office
He was in an appointed position that ended when Taft's administration ended. He didn't win the election because he had been a member of Taft's administration, even though he had been a voice against it (much like McCain). And as far as him trying to make certain registrations invalid, there was a LOT of voter fraud going on in Ohio, just like in this past election, that he was trying to do something about, unlike the dem that's currently in that position. Dems are in control, that's true - as far as how much they will defend my right to my own opinion is yet to be seen - Fairness Doctrine on it's way to becoming law again? We'll just see.
Yes, he has...been very disrespectful to the office of the current
on a daily basis.
In his first day in office, President Obama
-- hit the ground running. Just got done watching TV to see what his first day was like. Just for fun, I looked up Bush's first day in 2001. Here's what I found:
"On his first day in office, Bush moved to block federal aid to foreign groups that offered counseling or any other assistance to women in obtaining abortions. Days later, he announced his commitment to channeling more federal aid to faith-based service organizations. At the time, critics feared this would dissolve the traditional separation of church and state. Bush created the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives to assist faith-based service organizations. In a televised address on Aug. 9, 2001, Bush would announce a national policy on stem cell research that authorized funding and research work, with federal restrictions over the use of human embryos."
Yeah, that whack-job started whacking way at women's control over their own bodies, tried to integrate government and the church (HUGE mistake!), and to outlaw one of the most promising medical breakthroughs. I'm surprised witch-trials and book-burning didn't come back into fashion again under his "leadership".
I think where he belongs is in some isolated, authoritarian religious cult out in the middle of nowhere.
You guyz say that every time a dem is in office. -sm
when a repub gets in and screws up (ie, the last 8, for example), then you blame it on the dems that came before them. As I recall, we were told in no uncertain terms that things would get a lot worse before they started to get better. They have, and they'll probably continue to do so, just as they would've if mcain were prez. I know taxes are part of life, that's how things get done. Roads, schools, bridges, etc. What most middle-class Americans are sick of goes deeper than paying taxes, it's seeing the money go to bail out the rich, the crooks, and big business that has become so profit-driven that any sense of fairness or morality went out the window decades ago. Regardless of what the banks, or the stock market, or the real estate market do, things wont get any better for us - the regular run-of-the-mill workers - until the huge loopholes the rich, and the companies who stomp on the American worker by offshoring their jobs, are jumping through in order to avoid paying their fair share. That's a sore spot in america that's grown to a huge bleeding ulcer. If it isn't treated soon, I think there will be problems in the US that will make higher taxes or corporate woes seem like less than nothing, and the 'little people' who are tired of being stepped on by corporate america will be the ones that start shutting down American big business (auto, wall street, banks, etc.) by no longer patronizing them. Not only won't we be able to afford to, but we won't want to, either.
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