Is an old issue that needs to be resolved & answer to Amanda
Posted By: Kaydie on 2008-10-25
In Reply to: See inside for link. sm - oldtimer
I would not go by anything the Annenberg foundation puts out and FactCheck is not a reliable source.
To Amanda, there are two kinds of certificates. I have the one like you do where there is no information but name, date of birth and a raised seal, but there is another kind of certificate called the "vault" certificate that is filed by the hospital to the state. In the medical records department we type in all the pertinent info (name, weight, length, time of birth, parents names, etc). That is the one we send in for the official record. That is the one they are requesting and the one he refuses to submit. This is the one I had to apply for to verify I was who I was before I could join the Army.
Ah, Neurnberg Germany. That brings back memories. I was stationed in Katterbach/Ansback and went to Neurnberg almost every weekend. Neurnberg is also where all the military wifes went to have their babies and your daughter is American citizen because she was born to US Citizens AND American bases are considered US soil. I have another friend who had her baby in Germany and her husband was military but she chose to have her baby in a Germany Hospital and her baby is a German citizen. Until they apply for him to become a US Citizen he remains a German citizen. Seeing as Obama was born in Kenya that is not US Territory, and he cannot produce his vault certificate because he doesn't have one.
On his website (and approved by the Annenberg Foundation) is simply not the actual birth certificate. There is no raised seal on it and it is very easy to recreate this form. Anyone can get access to the forms and fill in whatever information they want to. Obama's campaign did have a form on his site before that kept being taken down and altered and posted back up on the site that could clearly be seen was a copy of his sisters certificate. It has since been taking down.
Additionally maybe Obama thought he might run for Prime Minister in Canada because he also has a Canadian birth certificate.
Life sure is strange. Meanwhile I'll sit back and watch all this come tumbling down.
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credit crunch resolved
Now we will be able to borrow our own money from the banks for all the things we need and pay taxes, interest and inflation. I am firing all this jokers in November.
thank you, Amanda. That is some
transcript if anyone bothered to read it. Must have been ASR!
for Amanda: Exactly, here you go.....nm
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Thanks Amanda....(sm)
I actually believe troops in the field get even less info. If you look at it logically, how many satellite links do you think the US wants in enemy territory? If they did have internet it would almost have to be via satellite as most infrastructure in the region is now wiped out, and a satellite link can be traced, allowing the enemy to pinpoint positions. Hopefully our military is smarter than that.
Also, I have watched several documentaries/commentaries/videos of people involved in the torture of Iraqi and Afghan prisoners. In every case that I've heard of the people dishing out the torture (our guys) were following orders. When this came out it was all over every news station and the internet, and yet in not one interview did any of these people say anything about seeing any controversy or publicity about it in any form. They talked about how they personally had problems with it and what they were told to do, but that seems to be the extent of information they drew on. What's remarkable about this is that this was not exclusive to Afghanistan or Iraq. There was the same thing happening at Gitmo, supposedly a secure location.
Exactly, Amanda!
Obama has done nothing that needs to be defended. I think it's the old "Let's turn the attention away from the inept Republican president by slamming the new administration." End of story.
No issue is no issue. Denying that
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Bravo, Amanda....
Your foresight will pay big dividends down the road. Hopefully you will have time to nurture a second language in the conversational arena as well. This ability can give you much insight into the culture that lays beyond and is brought back into your business dealings. Translation is a job skill in a of itself with which you can access a wider variety of better-paying jobs. Computer translation programs can never replace the one-on-one, face-to-face exchanges that come with direct conversation.
My sister took 4 semesters of college level Spanish and ended up with a scholarship to study in Argetina in the 1970s, where she met her first husband. One good thing can often to lead to others. She divorced years later and remarried to an Iranian. Her ability to adapt through a second and third language has enabled her to thrive in a severely depressed economy. She is living in Tehran, Iran now where she and her husband run a successful flower business, an import export business and an English and Spanish tutoring and translation service. They do substitute teaching in their "spare time!".
This second marriage also blessed her with the birth of a new son at age 45. He is 12 now and is trilingual, fluent and literate in English, Farsi and Spanish. The kid is comfortable and right at home in the US and abroad.
Keep your eye on the prize. You never know what is waiting for you just around the next corner.
Exactly! Amanda does her research.nm
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sorry, amanda, this should be under your post, not ms...nm
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Amanda....it says that the credit will...
eliminate federal taxes for 10 million low income families. Someone has to make up for that lost revenue. Or are you saying they are really not paying taxes anyway so when he says he is giving them a tax credit he is not, he is lying about it? So which part is lying and which part is true? They were paying taxes and now they are not going to be because of the credit, or they were never paying taxes anyway so it is a credit name only. Please advise.
NIce try, Amanda.
Dear Amanda:
Your attempts should be applauded, but just take a look at the thread above yours here (about renaming the White House) and really, truly SEE your audience.
Wearing the cloak of "Christianity," they talk about only there being only one perfect man, and he was killed, yet they stir the pot of hatred and lies in a frenzy, leading me to believe they wouldn't mind at all if another death takes place.
They take something as benign and American as two parents getting a puppy for their children and try to turn it into something sinister.
Their lives will probably drastically improve under President Obama, but they'll be too full of hate to ever even know it.
You made a valiant attempt, but President Obama will never have a chance with these people, but that's okay. The good news is that the majority of Americans aren't like this, and they are the ones who voted for someone who may likely go down in history as one of the best Presidents ever -- if he's given the chance and allowed to live long enough to do so.
Thank you for your honesty, Amanda. sm
I appreciate it.
By the way, my niece's name is Amanda....and I think of her when I see your post! To me, she will always be about 10 years old, but she just turned 20! They grow up fast.
Oh please, Amanda - sometimes you are right on, but this time not
These are not little expenses like "groceries", and these are not expenses entertaining foreign diplomats. These are weekly parties that the taxpayer is paying for. I'm sorry but having big name entertainers and conga lines are not working parties, but of course the crats will say that. These are parties that cost a huge amount of money (that is taxpayers money). These are weekly Wednesday night parties with steak, champaign, etc. You really think they eat things like us common folk eat (hamburgers and hot dogs), please, they wouldn't stoop so low.
What I'm complaining about is the country is in a "world of hurt". People are losing jobs, homes, etc, and while the O and other politicians are saying we have to cut back, they are not, and they are not spending their own money. They are spending tax payers money. They need to lead by example.
And to turn the wh into a party palace is a disgrace.
People, stop drinking the kool-aid and wake up (not you Amanda because you usually have some pretty good insight but this time you are just wrong). The rest of them who defend this I'm afraid are still sleeping.
Well written, I agree with you Amanda
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Thx Amanda - They won't admit (see message)
when their wrong. They keep trying to argue a mute point. I think Stardust is a racist for assuming I'm a white person. I don't know how much clearer you can point something out. It's like talking to a wall. I also don't know how I could be a racist when I voted for him in the primaries. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Well I'm not going to read anymore of Stardusts posts anymore. Not worth my time since she won't even stand up and admit when she's wrong, and she grasps at anything. Calls me a racist and says I said racist things and then tries to claim it's something I said after she posted that message. Just not worth my time.
Thanks again Amanda for your message. This board sure is infiltrated and its getting more and more sickening to her the attacks on McCain & Palin while giving Obama and Biden a free pass. They attack M/P and then say that the conservatives do all the attacking.
Man-o-man I can't wait for the election to be over.
Amanda is right - it's not all one side - (see message)
And it is all wrong. No matter what you think of anyone common sense tells you that you should not have a person who is still living depicted in this way. I don't care how much dislike you have for them. Amanda had another post with a link of a picture of Obama sitting with "death" behind him. Another truly disgusting "art" creation. Funny how they use the words "art" and "halloween decoration" to cover up an act of hate. I heard a lawyer interviewed last night and she said that you can't hang Obama as a "decoration" because it's considered a hate crime (race, slavery, etc), but there is no such thing as a hate crime against a woman. While I can understand that, I don't agree with it. Try telling that to the family of the "white" lady reporter in Arkansas beaten to death. They said every single bone in her face was broken. Now if that is not a "hate" crime I don't know what it.
An inconvenient truth, Amanda.
You go, girl!
Way to go, Amanda! Great research.n/m
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Famous last words, Amanda.....sm
Remember your own posts in the coming days, when you swore that he was not a socialist.
All of the policies he is about to institute are socialist or marxist. He may try to call them another name, but they are still socialistic programs, and marxist.
It's all laid out, in front of your eyes....but you can't see it
Amanda has really summed up most of our lives and
it is scary. I wonder how many transcription companies will close their doors within the next year. The top 3 transcription companies may be all that are left before long.
Well, I'll agree with you on that, Amanda.
This bail-out stuff should have stopped before it started. After the Wall Street bail-out has the news gotten any better? No. It is worse on a daily basis. It will be the same if the auto industry is bailed out. I say no bail outs. For those of us who make bad decisions we're left to suffer the consequences. Let the businesses do the same. First Wall Street, then auto industry, who's next? It won't be Joe the (honest) Plumber, that's for sure.
Thank you Amanda..besides, I think that if most parents could send their
child to private schools..and he and his wife are PAYING for it, so what is the problem??
Good point, Amanda. sm
If you had really listened closely to Prez Obama's speech earlier, he clearly stated the government is willing to give them a boost up in order to stabilize them and give them a chance to revamp their manufacturing in order to be competative with the global car manufacturers. I am so glad to hear that one of the plants that will be shut down is Hummer. We don't need gas guzzlers like that on the road. They serve no purpose other than to satisfy the egomaniacs who need a huge obnoxious vehicle in order for them to feel superior. We are not all going to be driving Smart cars. For pete's sake, be realistic. There is a solid purpose to keep manufacturing trucks and SUVs, and they can be made more energy efficient. We desperately need a new mindset in this country, one that insists on less consumption, more cost effectiveness with an eye to achieving freedom from foreign oil. In other words, we need to adapt a new attitude of learning to live without all the disgusting excess that goes on in this country. People need to wake up and reprioritize what is really important, which is not more, more, more. We can be the leaders in the world and set an example to everyone else that our values are more important than the trappings that we have prostituted ourselves for decades. This is not a bad thing!
"'The truth is that the president is just doing with GM what we, the people elected him to do: manage America’s decline and do it gently, painlessly, without seeming to abandon the old tropes of American Greatness."
Amanda, these people just got to have something to whine about sm
They have very short memories I reckon. They forgot that Bush spent one-third of his presidency at his "ranch". I guess it was free for him to do all that flying back and forth. And then there was the 40 million dollars he spent on his SECOND inagural party, just two months after the devastating tsunami that hit Indonesia. Imagine how far even HALF of that 40 million dollars could have gone toward that effort!!
Yep, a desparate bunch grasping at some pretty flimsy straws!!
Sorry Amanda you are wrong - see message
Like the message below this said, they are starting to socialize our health system. They want the government to control it. I've watched many economist speak about this, along with a lot of politicians (not ones that are in DC, but individual ones from individual states) and they are saying the same thing. We cannot socialize our health care.
You will not have a choice as to what doctor you can go to, what treatment you'll be able to get or medication. The government will be in charge of that. They will decide what you will and will not get.
I think you probably know by now that Obama says one thing and does another. He will get up and give a good speech, but as soon as he is done speaking he does the opposite of what he says he will or will not do. Kind of like when he was in another country and said our dollar was strong as the dollar was tanking and other country leaders were snickering and laughing at him. Funny though cos Obama could say the sky is green and people would believe him and defend him for it.
We listened to someone talk (forget who it was right now), but they knew someone in Canada who needed a procedure and it was going to be a four month waiting period. They came to the US and had the procedure done the same or next day. I said to DH if they have their way and socialize our health care system I think Obama and other politicians who push this through should be told that they (or a family member of theirs) will have to wait 4 months for an MRI or other procedure to be done. See how they like it.
It's just a very very sad time for us all to see our country being deteriorated. I am understanding how Cuba and other socialist countries got that way. Sort of little by little then before you know it it's too late. It's the same way our landlords when we lived in Germany told us what happened to them leading up to WWII. It's just awful to see our country going the same way. They were promised everything and then look what happened to them. And history is repeating itself here in America.
Just very sad.
Amanda - I stand corrected - thank you - see message
When I'm wrong I'll admit it and this time I'm wrong. That is in such bad taste.
If parents want to dress their kids in political figures that's one thing (though I think the kids would rather be ghosts, witches, princesses, etc) but to try and make a political statement and use the excuse that its Halloween and in good fun is just in bad taste (IMO). I find it equally offensive no matter who it is.
I think its bad taste and think everyone should take down everything. I find it just as disgusting as I found the remark Hillary said about staying in because an assassination could happen. When you talk about death of people that just gets to me.
So Amanda thank you, I do stand corrected and am humbled. There are McCain supporters who do the same as Obama supporters.
What happened to decency in America and leave the halloween costumes to kids and people going to parties.
That's why they call him Hidin Biden (sm) and to Amanda
Anytime anyone leaks out what their plans really are they hide them away.
Amanda, - If your really believe that Obama "will be happy to pay more taxes", and that he's going to do everything to help you while taxing those nasty rich white republicans, then I guess you will also believe that Richardson "mispoke" himself. The truth is coming out but why aren't the dems seeing it. They say it themselves out of their own mouths and you still won't believe it.
Amanda, you've wasted your breath. s/m
There is not a rational thought in any of these people's heads. They don't care about hope or the possibility of change for the better. The ironic thing about this is that if and when Jesus Christ were to return, these kind of people would be the ones who would crucify him all over again because of the narrow-minded prejudice that seems to feed them. More's the pity.
Amanda, sad to say, your're wasting your breath.
There is just no getting through to these narrow-minded people. They don't want to give him a chance, because their tiny brains have been filled with the BS that has been fed to them by the publicity-seeking egomaniacs that they worship (Lamebaugh, Coultergeist, Beck who I think is a closet Nazi, O'Reilly). Dittoheads -- what a great name for them -- they are incapable of having an original thought of their own. One poster on here has the nerve to say "he has had his chance". Give me a break -- that shows nothing but ignorance. The man has been in office less than 3 months!!
You cannot have a reasonable conversation with these types of people. Thank you for trying, though. You had to know you would get flamed on this one, just as I'm sure I will. C'est LA vie.
Amanda's been wife of a solder, and then mother to
It *seems* to her the veteran showed disrespect to the flag, but I doubt she can come up with a concrete alternative way for him to have removed that flag, managed it single-handed, while being able to defend himself.
I think when our embassies have been under attack, the folks who took down those flags were probably in as much of a hurry, and I doubt they did anything differently.
Good analogy, by the way, about the grandfather. First you protect the kid, then you dust him off and see whether he's hurt.
As to stomping on the Mexican flag, no, I would not have. The store owners may have flown the two flags as they did out of ignorance, not to show deliberate disrespect. They may not have bothered to familiarize themselves with the law. They may not even speak English, but have now received a valuable lesson, which I hope someone will explain to them. If they are wise, they will learn from it. If not, they will get together several hundred of their closest friends, petition Obama, march, riot, demand ''equality'' now, and be a general pain in the patootie. I would love to see the followup on this....
I give you credit Amanda- you got me thinking and searching
I found some more articles I had not found before.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=90945
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/01/18/pricetag-inaugural-festivities-reach-m/
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18635.html
What I'm saying is this (unsure this is coming out right). The US is in desperate times. Never since the depression have we had numbers of unemployment (which are continuing to rise), people losing their homes, people worried how they are going to make their energy bill payment or car payment because they've lost their jobs. How are they going to feed the kids. My dad recently told me that he has started going to the soup kitchen in his town to get his meals. He says he doesn't know how much longer he will survive if the economy doesn't turn around and he can find some work. He's even been talking about traveling to nearby states, but then he said everything he earns would go for the cost of gas to get there, plus they don't even have any jobs. My DH just went to stay with his brother and is looking for work elsewhere because the unemployment and homeless are skyrocketing here. My dad says it's very bad when there is one job and over 200 applicants. My aunt said the same thing, as did my cousin, three brother-in-laws, two sister in laws (out of 14 family members of mine 9 of them are unemployed, and 4 of them lost their jobs after the O took office - they all voted for the O because they said he said he has a plan and would save their jobs). Some have talked about going back to school to get retrained but they said "In what?" They said everything they are looking at is no longer an industry that is hiring and there the market is already saturated with people in the fields they are looking at studying and they have experience. They also said they voted for the O because he talked about getting credit to go to school, but none of them have been able to get that let alone know what to study, and better yet, the courses they would like to take are not being offered anymore because of cutbacks. I am reading newspapers from different cities across the country, getting onto "mycity" pages and reading what people are saying about what it is like where they live. They say how much more is this going to go on. They say the stimulus plan had promised job creation and it does not. And they all say this is not a good time for the President to be hosting weekly cocktail parties no matter how rich he is or no matter how much taxpayers are paying for it. They say a little discretion would be in order, and when (if) this country is turned around, jobs are created, homes are saved, and the American people see some relief then have a big party. But to use our money to host a cocktail parties where the guests are staff members and politicians in WA. is not a good idea. He needs to start showing some compassion/restraint.
I don't care about the superbowl party (everyone has them, why shouldn't he). I don't care about opening the white house for the school children or other good causes. I'm all for "anyone" being able to visit the white house, but our country is in such disarray and is hurting very very badly. This is not the time to be having weekly "cocktail" parties. Get the country back on track like you promised you would, then have your parties.
One thing I read that I admire President Wilson for. He did not have any parties at his 1917 inaugural (therefore I believe he didn't have regular weekly parties either). He stated that "having such festivities while there was a war going on would be undignified".
Our President needs to come back to earth and not be so free with the money so that he can keep partying at a cost to the taxpayers. That is not what we elected him for. We elected him because he had some plans to get us out of this mess and we are seeing none of us. The stimulus plan did not stimulate the economy, the bail-outs, did not bail them out (the bank bail-outs went directly to Dubai, China, and some other country) and some are still asking for more money. We're getting ready for some increased taxes, all while the politicians in Washington party it up.
This is not sending a good message, and even other countries are saying we don't know what the heck we're doing. But all the while crats will praise him up and down and will never find anything wrong with him. Some believe he is the messiah and others refuse to put down the kool-aid. They think its perfectly fine for the Washington crowd to continue to party til the cows come home while the country suffers. That is what I am truly dissapointed and mad about.
(as a side note, this has nothing to do with Bush, how we got into this mess or what. Bush is not controlling the parties, Bush is not controlling the endless (open checkbook) the crats are using. Bush is not forcing Washington to use taxpaper money to fund their parties. This has nothing to do with the past administration. This has everything to do with what is going on today and what will be happening tomorrow).
I will be so glad when 2012 comes.
why do you answer so stupidly, the right answer
if you had any brains, would have been......
'well, she made a mistake.'
But telling me that I need a job, is so stupid, yes, stupid AND a very weak point.
There is no issue here.
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What was the issue again?
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For it - should not be an issue
It should not be an issue period. It does not affect me (or anyone else) if Joe & John or Mary & Sara want to get married. As human beings we all have that right.
Civil Union is not the same thing. Talk about discrimination big time. Yes, you love each other but sorry, your of the wrong sex?????
What's next you can only be white to be married or a black and white, hispanic and black or any other combination won't be able to marry.
This is one more issue that should not be political. People should be allowed to marry whomever they wish to and tell everyone else to mind their own business.
this is not a big issue
Your point of view has been expressed. Constant repetition only weakens your case. If you felt strongly that this was true, you would be confident that you would be proved right and not have to beat a dead horse. Be a member of polite society and consider others' time and interests before you attempt to monopolize a free forum with only your one point over and over.
This is a big issue to some of us...
and we are not just repeating ourselves. We are posting new info for others WHO CARE to read it. If you are not interested and do not care, DON'T READ IT.
Interesting post by someone on another site:
ladyplumber10:35AMDec 3rd 2008
When you have 4 different citizenships in question, American, British, Indonesian, and Kenyan, and multiple different names :Barack Obama, aka, Barry Soreto, aka Barack Dunham, aka Barry Dunham...you folks who think this is a piece of cake to wade through are nuts. It's like untangling a badly knotted necklace.
There is a great interview with Alan Keyes on why he is suing Mr Obama in the CA Sumpreme Court in Essence magazine...
http://www.essence.com/news_entertainment/news/articles/alankeyesobama
also it is known that Mr Obama's passport in 1981 at the age of 20 was Indonesian. Ever wonder WHY he has sealed all of his college records @ Columbia and Harvard...likely because he came in under Indonesian
citizenship and qulaified for foreign student grants.
For those of you who think that the certificate shown on his web site is sufficient:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931
PART 1
"Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence," the document said. "The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama's LONG LEGAL original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him."
(From Alan Keyes suite against the Sec of State of CA and demanding they hold back the 55 electoral votes)
For those of you who think that even if he was born to an American overseas..he is still a US Citizen...
NOT SO. for the law from 1952-1986 (Obama was born in 1961) states that to an American Citizen and one alien parent in wedlock, the American parent must have resided in the US for 5 years beyond the age of 14 (or the age of 19)Mr Obama's mother was 18 when he was born, so he wouldn't qualify.
http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html
For those of you who think that he has to have been checked out this far into the game...think again. I met with my DC House REP face to face who said that officials voted into office by the public, don't get checked out...my own rep never had been nor do US senators. The FBI doesn't get involved in political matters, and there is NO PRIOR legal precedent for a prez candidate that wants to keep his life "private". Remember Hillary was the first to challenge his citizenship...but took his short cert of live birth as his long legal birth certificate. This document is not offical enough to get him a passport. So whose job is it to approve a candidate...the candidates own party according to the FBI agent that I interviewed...can you say conflict of interest?! It is also the job of each individual sec of state. Personally, for the prez national election, I think it should be the job of the US Sec of State. Each state sec of state can certify state candidates. FOLKS-this has not resurfaced...it has never left.. but the Obama loving main stream media won't cover it, because they will wind up with egg all over their face. I think a few things are cool: one, that Alan Keyes is the one in CA suing, but no one can call the race card as he is black. Justice Clarence Thomas took the supreme court case, and again no one can call a race card. My DC rep feels that every court in the nation will find a loop hole to dismiss for fear of rioting. I told him that men are fighting and dying overseas to protect our freedoms and our constitution..why should they if we won't protect it from within? Also if the courts were afraid of rioting in the 1950s&1960s SEGREGATION might still be alive today! I would love to see a black man as prez, but not one who had to speak deceit and lies to get there. Let's NOT be in such a hurry to make history, that we are doing nothing to protect history...and to protect our constitution....
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/12/01/obama-birth-certificate-rears-its-ugly-head-again/197#comments
That's not the issue and you know it.
Constitution baby, constitution!
Well, now that's another issue...(sm)
I would argue that the New Deal actually did help the economy, but it wasn't large enough. During the New Deal the GDP steadily grew with the exception of one period where FDR actually slacked off with his programs and instead did tax cuts. Unemployment also went down during this period. I know Fox is saying the New Deal didn't work, but the numbers don't support that theory.
See charts below:
EXACTLY!! This isn't a pub/dem issue.........
this is a BIG GOVERNMENT issue. The kind of government that thinks they own the citizens. Of course, Obama's spend spend spend plan is the most outrageous in U.S. history and that's an understatement, but both sides should be ashamed of themselves. I get so sick of seeing the democrats on this board sit idly by as if they are in the right and just point fingers at anyone they perceive as republicans. They forget.......WE ARE THE CITIZENS. I don't give a rat's butt WHO is in office.....NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE MY MONEY AND TAX THE CRAP OUT OF ITS CITIZENS. The government works for us but unfortunately too many in this country have become ignorant to that fact, either by choice or lack of proper education as to their history, constitution, and what that entails of its citizens. They feels no loyalty to this country and do not understand the government is not there to be their leader and caregiver. The government is supposed to work for us and us only, not the United Nations, not some stupid foreign country who has us in their pocket, the Americans of this country....... NOT ILLEGALS EITHER!
We have gotten so far away from the meaning of our constitution; it's not taught in our schools....should we be surprised. After all,our schools are bought and paid for by the government you pay for without any say in the school system, and a bunch of one-sided thinking lamebrains decide the curriculum, so what better than to destroy the constitution so the children never understand anything about loyalty or pride for their country. Instead, they grow up thinking their government is the be all and end all of their lives and without that, we would be nobodies. PLEEZE!!!!
For all those that continue to point at Bush.....HE'S GONE FOLKS!! GET OVER IT! NOW YOU CAN START POINTING FINGERS AT OBAMA!! He's spending and making fake money as fast as he can light up another cigarette.
Obama has no excuse for this disaster he is putting us in.
The reason the majority do not speak up against their tyranical government is because they have become so complacent and when you think about all those who stand or think they stand to come out ahead with this government, they have no problem with sitting back and letting it happen. The day we stop letting illegals vote and special interest groups run this country, we might actually get our country back but that's won't happen until our complacent LEGAL citizens get off their duffs and actually stand up for their country.
Most don't even care and that's what the government is betting on......everyone's lack of education (government schools!) or interest.
The issue is
that men shouldn't be marrying men and women shouldn't be marrying women. The parts don't fit together and it's immoral. Giving them that special "right" will take away the rights of those who believe this behavior is immoral and the right to say so. They should have NEVER been given such a ludicrous "right." And the religious community will keep fighting to right wrongs. :-)
The Rove issue
From the Christian Science monitor online-- an interesting commentary on the Rove issue.
(I note per the Conservative board that Mr. Wilson is now being vilified.)
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from the July 15, 2005 edition - http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0715/p09s02-cods.html
Rove leak is just part of larger scandalBy Daniel Schorr
WASHINGTON - Let me remind you that the underlying issue in the Karl Rove controversy is not a leak, but a war and how America was misled into that war.
In 2002 President Bush, having decided to invade Iraq, was casting about for a casus belli. The weapons of mass destruction theme was not yielding very much until a dubious Italian intelligence report, based partly on forged documents (it later turned out), provided reason to speculate that Iraq might be trying to buy so-called yellowcake uranium from the African country of Niger. It did not seem to matter that the CIA advised that the Italian information was "fragmentary and lacked detail."
Prodded by Vice President Dick Cheney and in the hope of getting more conclusive information, the CIA sent Joseph Wilson, an old Africa hand, to Niger to investigate. Mr. Wilson spent eight days talking to everyone in Niger possibly involved and came back to report no sign of an Iraqi bid for uranium and, anyway, Niger's uranium was committed to other countries for many years to come.
No news is bad news for an administration gearing up for war. Ignoring Wilson's report, Cheney talked on TV about Iraq's nuclear potential. And the president himself, in his 2003 State of the Union address no less, pronounced: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
Wilson declined to maintain a discreet silence. He told various people that the president was at least mistaken, at most telling an untruth. Finally Wilson directly challenged the administration with a July 6, 2003 New York Times op-ed headlined, "What I didn't find in Africa," and making clear his belief that the president deliberately manipulated intelligence in order to justify an invasion.
One can imagine the fury in the White House. We now know from the e-mail traffic of Time's correspondent Matt Cooper that five days after the op-ed appeared, he advised his bureau chief of a supersecret conversation with Karl Rove who alerted him to the fact that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA and may have recommended him for the Niger assignment. Three days later, Bob Novak's column appeared giving Wilson's wife's name, Valerie Plame, and the fact she was an undercover CIA officer. Mr. Novak has yet to say, in public, whether Mr. Rove was his source. Enough is known to surmise that the leaks of Rove, or others deputized by him, amounted to retaliation against someone who had the temerity to challenge the president of the United States when he was striving to find some plausible reason for invading Iraq.
The role of Rove and associates added up to a small incident in a very large scandal - the effort to delude America into thinking it faced a threat dire enough to justify a war.
• Daniel Schorr is the senior news analyst at National Public Radio. |
Why won't you debate the issue
because you can't back up what you are saying, I assume. You just point fingers and call names like that's winning a debate.
It is really a much larger issue than you think. sm
There are 12,000 New York City resident signatures, as well as 15 NY legislators on this petion alone:
Preamble to the Complaint and Petition
We, the complainant signatories below, petition the Attorney General of New York, on behalf of millions of New Yorkers who also call for a fearless independent inquiry; for the sake of residents, workers, and business owners in New York—most particularly in and near Ground Zero; and also on behalf of other Americans who have lost employees, friends, and family members as well as health, business, and personal assets and civil, privacy, and other rights in the events of September 11, 2001 and their aftermath.
We approach your office as concerned citizens desiring to bring to light the truth about the events of 9/11. And where fault and liability may be found through your investigative action (by whatever means), we seek the recovery of billions of dollars of damages that have been sustained and continue to accrue, and a process by which the true perpetrators and aiders and abettors of the 9/11 attacks may speedily be brought to justice.
As we reported previously to your office, a representative poll published by Zogby International on August 30 of this year found that 49 percent of New York City residents and 41 percent of New Yorkers overall believe there was official foreknowledge and conscious acceptance of the 9/11 attacks, and that 66 percent of city residents and 56 percent overall want a new investigation. These findings are stunning and we believe they provide conclusive evidence that the people of New York are not satisfied that official investigations and mainstream news media have adequately addressed the truth of the events of that fateful day.
These Zogby Poll findings point to the immediate consituency for our Complaint and Petition; but we also note here that a burgeoning nationwide movement also holds to the same belief about 9/11 as do these native New Yorkers. Fifteen legislators who are members from New York in the US House of Representatives, New York State Senate and Assembly, and New York City Council have responded to these results by also expressing support for a new investigation by the Attorney General or Congress.
If this belief of millions of citizens is borne out by a legitimate investigation, then it may follow that the responsible officials are guilty of both mass murder and treason, as well as conspiring to inflict untold suffering upon the people of New York and violating a host of New York State laws, in addition to federal terrorist, treason, and other laws.
Clearly, this Complaint and Petition concerns a supremely serious matter. Yet we the complainants contend that no independent official investigation into these alarming yet plausible allegations, for which we present compelling evidence herein, has ever been held or is now contemplated.
When citizens of New York widely suspect appalling criminal activity within our government and by bad actors doing business in the State of New York—activity that has caused us grievous harm—we believe we are well within our rights as sovereign citizens to demand the legal and investigative means to address these concerns. If indeed there exists such a widespread belief that our own government intentionally allowed such a catastrophe to occur on our own shores, then we submit that this is prima facie evidence of a deep crisis of trust in government. We were therefore inspired to read the Attorney General‘s 2002 Law Day address in regard to this issue of restoring public trust in our institutions. You focused then on financial markets, charities, and churches, but we believe your words aptly address the collapse of faith in government that the 9/11 Zogby Poll reveals today:
It is important that we understand that this crisis exists, that it has already damaged important institutions, and that we must take immediate action to restore the faith of a betrayed public…The process of restoring a shattered trust is a lengthy one. Unfortunately, we do not have time to wait…Too much will be lost during the time that this process naturally unfolds; the skepticism and distrust that exists will continue to exact a tremendous cost…Our system of law can provide—indeed, can itself be—the solution to the crisis created by the betrayal of their trust. [2]
And it is precisely in this same spirit—that of invoking the legitimacy of a lawful solution to the issue of 9/11—that we request your intervention in order to swiftly address the grave concerns outlined below, enforce accountability, and restore the public trust.
As Attorney General, you hold ultimate responsibility for enforcing public safety, criminal, and investor protection laws in the State of New York. As indicated in the Zogby Poll, a clear majority of your constituents desires a full investigation of still unanswered questions either by Congress or your office. We provide herein evidence to prove that Congress and the 9/11 Commission have shown themselves incapable of such an inquiry. We are left with no alternative but to turn to you to take up the case we have put forth in this Complaint and Petition.
We therefore respectfully request that you immediately invoke your powers to open one or more urgent investigations into apparent crimes before, during, and after September 11, 2001. This could be accomplished by your office alone or in conjunction with other state and local legal and enforcement offices with jurisdiction (which might include, for example, other state attorneys general and the Office of the Manhattan District Attorney, Robert Morgenthau).
We firmly believe that we are able to show probable cause for convening a grand jury and that we present herein the necessary facts and lines of inquiry that would lead reasonable persons to believe that numerous still-unsolved crimes have taken place.
In this Complaint and Petition, we submit compelling evidence constituting probable cause that some or all of the following crimes and possible additional crimes have been committed and that you have jurisdiction and prosecutorial discretion to investigate and prosecute the perpetrators of such crimes: murder, criminally negligent homicide or manslaughter; assault; reckless endangerment; official misconduct; criminal offenses relating to public safety; enterprise corruption; obstruction of justice and the infliction of emotional distress, including causing untold suffering and billions of dollars in damages on the citizens, businesses, and institutions of and upon the State of New York itself and cities, counties, and other jurisdictions within New York; and the criminal facilitation or solicitation thereof and conspiracy or accessorial conduct in connection therewith.
In summary, we submit that available evidence demonstrates that the requisite state of mind exists, pointing to (1) negligence as would be appropriate for assigning civil liability, and (2) an intentional, knowing, or reckless state of mind as would be required for assigning criminal liability.
You are making it an issue
You are trying to defend Merv Griffin when no one said anything bad about him or that he was not a conservative. All that was stated was what he commented about the vote, nothing more or less. You are reading much more into it than I ever intended. Dont waste your time looking up more information about Merv, who cares? His comment is what his comment was. Goodness, LOL. Dustin Hoffman also made a comment on Letterman that the democrats taking over the House and Senate was a historic day. It was a comment nothing more. I must state, though, that the audience also clapped, whistled, cheered when Dustin said that.
We will never agree on this issue.
I think all children deserve free or at least affordable health care right now. I think that should be this country's #1 priority, and sadly, it is not. I don't care what facts you throw at me, the truth is many children are going without health insurance because many families have to choose between buying groceries and paying the enormous premiums, and sometimes you just have to choose what is most important to survive right now.
I'm disgusted every time someone has to have a fundraiser when their kid gets cancer just to pay the medical bills. I'm disgusted that families lose their houses every day because they have to sell them to pay off medical bills. This bill may not have solved all of those problems, but it would have been a step in the right direction.
So go ahead and spout your pro-life "every baby deserves a chance to live" speeches, and then when that same child gets diabetes and can't afford healthcare, go ahead and look away and act like that child no longer matters.
Why is gay marriage an issue?
Can someone explain to me why gay marriage is an issue in politics? I don't think it's ever been explained. I have heard the religious people say they want to keep the sanctity of marriage preserved to be between a man and a woman, and I can understand that. On the other side, I've heard gays and lesbians say that they've lived their lives with another person who happens to be the same sex as they are and they just want to be able to have the same rights as married people if something should happen to their partner, and I certainly do understand that too. I guess I don't understand why it is a political issue. To me if John and Jack or Mary and Sue want to get married that doesn't affect what I do with my life on a day to day basis or how I live my own life (at least I don't think it would have an impact). So just wanted to know why I'm always hearing this issue during campaigns. - Thanks.
You are the one making an issue (sm)
out of his middle name. So what if someone posts his middle name? What do YOU have to be worried about? It appears that she cut and pasted an article written by someone else. Had you not written a huge post about the name *Hussein,* many would not have even given it a second thought.
It would not be an issue if he had not made it one. nm
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Experience issue will not go away soon.
Whether or not a candidate is "ready" to lead is the voter's prerogative to investigate...or not. I hate nasty politics too and often will turn a blind eye to it. On the other hand, checking into it from time to time does give one a better perspective on just how divided our country has become and what issues flames the fires of discontent the most. Voters also decide whether malcontents should be left to stew in their own juices or if they are addressing legitimate, common concerns in an inappropriate manner that require attention from our highest leadership.
Beyond that, judgments must be made as to which candidate, party, issues, policies, etc. best represent not only the individual's best interests and their vision of what America is or is not, but also the best interest of the nation as a whole...another purely subjective and biased concept, depending on who you talk to. It's the nature of the beast.
What I believe about research is that it is much more valuable as a process, rather than a final destination. If one is able to come out of their comfort zone and expose themselves to many sides of the same issue, it is their own reactions and gut instincts that will help them better identify, define, prioritize, express and embody their own personal political beliefs. If the objective of research is a drive-by pot shot, the insight gained will be as fleeting and as memorable as chat room archives.
I see you did not issue the same warning for ...
BDayes...but then, why would you? Hitch up your skirt, your double standard is showing.
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