Insults do not an effective campaign strategy make.

• Abuse of Power charges stick to Palin like glue. - Instant Karma's gonna get ya. sm
  • Partisan-led inquiry.....no real big srprise there...sm - indy
    • Excuse me. 10 republicans and 4 democrats. Nice try. - Is that what you mean by partisan? nm
      • You're excused. The inquiry was initallly led by democrats...sm - Indy
        • All that ethics housecleaning comes back to haunt SP. - Facts trump spin every time. sm
          • No big surprise here....you pick and choose the facts you want...sm - Indy
            • Why do pubs have so much trouble staying on task? - Subject is Troopergate. sm
              • You are rude and such a bore...but I bet you knew that, didn't ya...nm - indy
                • Insults do not an effective campaign strategy make. - How will you handle the democratic landslide comin
  • So your in favor of a creep who tazered a child to be allowed - to roam the streets with a gun?
    • Did he have a trial - gourdpainter
      • Yes you missed something. The point! - nm
    • Unbelievable - hmmmm
      • I do not hate Palin at all - I just think every story has 2 sides - - Amanda
        • Are you serious, lady? - sm
    • trooper's side of the story - Amanda
    • If she had the proper and legal authority to fire him -- - Amanda
    • That's not what I said. That's what you said. - The what I want post below is in line...sm
  • You said it! - sm
    • Can you say violation of public trust? - Do you understand the concept? sm
      • I agree- that officer should have been arrested instead of fired. - sm
        • This may come as a shock to you, but arrests are not - based on the ...sm
          • Baaaaaaaa-baaaaaaa! - nm
            • You have just expressed the sum total of - intelligence among McCain supporters. nm
              • And you are a prime example of the dem's overwhelming IGNORANCE! - nm
    • Do you have any concept of what abuse of power is? - Think Bush. Think Cheney. Think...sm
      • Nope, sorry. I dont understand ignorance. - Bash Bush, yet O has good character? nuts!.nm
        • So abuse of power is OK by you? - Ignorance must be your middle name.
      • Oh, so now it was a divorce/custody hearing? Baaaaa-Baaaaa. - sm
        • Duh. Yeah. That's the gist of it. Influencing the - outcome of the custody battle. sm
          • Duh!!! You know what else courts aren't keen on? TAZERING CHILDREN! - nm
  • So do the chosen one's choice in associates... - votinginde
    • Bush abused the power of his office. - We are so done with that kind of leadership. nm
    • What I want is a leader who understands - the scope and limits of their authority. sm
      • You dare speak of character. Open your eyes to - Obama's. He should not even be a candidate.nm
        • Palin, McC's campaign and supporters are the ones - who raised the character issue, so...sm
    • His bosses handled the situation, as it should be - nm - Amanda

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George Will –

1. "McCain loses his head." 


2. "McCain childish, shallow, unfit for presidency."


3. "McCain in a Glass House." 


4. "McCain flustered rookie playing in a league too high."


5. Compares McCain to the ultimate drama queen (Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland) /"off with his head" mentality after McCain says that Chris Cox of the SEC should be "decapitated."


6. "…McCain showed us his personality this week and made some of us fearful." 


7. "McCain shows he's not presidential."


8. VP pick "female Sancho Panza." 

Charles Krauthammer –

1. McCain VP pick "near suicidal."


2. "Bush Begat McCain."


3. McCain's "hidden agenda:  To kill the United Nations."


4. McCain has "Tempted fate one time too many."


5. "McCain is going down."


6. "Obama will be president."


7. "McCain's 100-year war."


8. "How many Hail-Mary's can one man throw?"

Ross Perot –

1. McCain's "classic opportunist, always reaching for attention and glory." 


2. Perot weighs in on the POW issue after paying for Carol McCain's medical bills following her horrible car wreck:  After he came home, he walked with a limp, she [Carol McCain] walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona [Cindy McCain, his current wife] and the rest is history." 


3. McCain, "unusually slick and cruel."


4. Cindy bails John out of gambling debts.

William/Bill Kristol –

1. Time for McCain to fire his entire campaign.    


2. McCain campaign is "stupid, pathetic, flailing."


3. "Palin represents a cancer on the Republican Party.  She is not even close to being qualified for the office she's seeking."


4. McCain has "derangement syndrome."


5. McCain should "stop unveiling gimmicky proposals every couple of days that pretend to deal with the financial crisis."

Joe McCain (John's brother) –

1. Pleading with campaign advisors to change strategy:  "Let John McCain be John McCain."


2. Loosening the tight (campaign) message control is needed because it has become "counter-productive"  and "counter-intuitive."


3. The campaign needs to make new ads that show John "not as crank and curmudgeon."


4. Decision to clamp down on press contact with intimates of the Arizona senator is "causing gangrene."

Ed Rollins –

1. McCain's prospects on winning the presidency have "vanished."


2. "You have to go give an alternative on the economy,"  To do otherwise could "give the Democrats not only the White House but sweeping congressional victories and a potentially filibuster-proof super-majority in the Senate." 


3. Has voiced his concern over a possible Obama "landslide."

Attack your opponents strong points.  Read many posts below that ham-handedly attempt to use this tactic.  Throw in a cup of "sour grapes" and NOW your cookin'.  Go Ron Paul!  Split the vote!

Can the super-rich former governor of Massachusetts - the son of a Fortune 500 C.E.O. who made a vast fortune in the leveraged-buyout business - really keep a straight face while denouncing "Eastern elites"?

    Can the former mayor of New York City, a man who, as USA Today put it, "marched in gay pride parades, dressed up in drag and lived temporarily with a gay couple and their Shih Tzu" - that was between his second and third marriages - really get away with saying that Barack Obama doesn't think small towns are sufficiently "cosmopolitan"?

    Can the vice-presidential candidate of a party that has controlled the White House, Congress or both for 26 of the past 28 years, a party that, Borg-like, assimilated much of the D.C. lobbying industry into itself - until Congress changed hands, high-paying lobbying jobs were reserved for loyal Republicans - really portray herself as running against the "Washington elite"?

    Yes, they can.

    On Tuesday, He Who Must Not Be Named - Mitt Romney mentioned him just once, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin not at all - gave a video address to the Republican National Convention. John McCain, promised President Bush, would stand up to the "angry left." That's no doubt true. But don't be fooled either by Mr. McCain's long-ago reputation as a maverick or by Ms. Palin's appealing persona: the Republican Party, now more than ever, is firmly in the hands of the angry right, which has always been much bigger, much more influential and much angrier than its counterpart on the other side.

http://www.truthout.org/article/the-resentment-strategy

It seems to serve the purposes of politicians very well to encourage their followers to label, demonize and fear those who belong to "the other" party, and to paint them all with whatever nutty ideas the true extremists in the other party happen to believe.

The truth is that most "ordinary" Democrats are only a little more liberal than most "ordinary" Republicans, and vice versa, but we are encouraged to hate one another because this serves the purposes of the parties.  Politics has become not a matter of which party offers the most persuasive platform of positive ideas, but seeing who can create the largest howling, mindless mob.

Put your "everyday" Democrat and Republican in a room together attending some nonpolitical function - say, for instance, a baby shower or a choir practice.  They don't happen to know which party anyone belongs to.  What kinds of things do you hear them talking about?  What aspirations do you hear them express?  You'll be amazed at how much they have in common, sharing concerns for good schools, safe streets, job security, affordable healthcare, and many other issues.  The Democrat will be no happier about the increase in the sales tax than the Republican, and the Republican will agree that the current system of healthcare leaves too many people without options.

You're a liberal, and I'll bet that you're a moderate liberal.  I'm a conservative, but I'm a moderate conservative.  If we could get together outside of Washington, we'd probably come to some pretty workable, livable and even affordable solutions to the common problems that we all share.

Let's recognize what's happening to us as those in power in Washington find it useful for us to hate one another.  Let's resist.  And let's all see if we can't find some moderates in both parties that we can send to Washington who will truly represent who the American people truly are and what the American people truly believe when we refuse to be manipulated into positions of hatred toward one another.

..can't seem to debate or discuss?  So you pile on more bashing and insults?  You must be a very unpleasant person.

And by the way, I am an athlete and a weightlifter and my boyfriend says that with my mouth I don't need the muscle behind it.  I am definitely not a sissy.  Most of my liberal friends are athletes also and are definitely not sissies and we're not a bunch of fatsos either.   As for AG stating that it must "stink to be" us, well she's wrong.  It's actually really great!  Many of the libs in the blue states are among the most educated, best paid, longest-living and healthiest and SLIMMEST folks, we're likely to stay married and we generally smoke less.  So AG, you got it wrong about it stinking to be us -- kind of an unworldly and naive and cruel comment, I'd say.

For the upcoming elections both this year and 08, do you think democrats should

(a) aggressively lay out their agenda, which includes backing of security recommendations of the Sept. 11 Commission, a pay-as-you-go budgeting plan to end deficit spending and for deeper restrictions on lobbying activities.

OR

(b) Wait and allow the republicans party finish demonstrating their failures, i.e., rising gas prices, war policies, etc.

I was reading the article below and thought I'd ask the liberals for their point of view.

I'm past convinced but time will tell just how politically motivated *Iraqi freedom* is to this administration.  How much you want to bet nobody gets it? 

I agree with Murtha, now that we have relieved Iraq of the Saddam regime the mission sould be getting our soldiers home safely.  But its not that easy with the new wave of terrorism that replaced Saddam's regime as a result of the war.

I still say though we have our own battles to fight at home and need to accelerate training what Iraqi men are willing to fight for democracy and do what we can to restore their infrastructure and get out.  With the right enthusiasm (or upcoming congress elections) it can be done.  ~Democrat

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Murtha Details His Exit Strategy

Jan. 13, 2006

CBS) Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., believes the vast majority of U.S. troops in Iraq will be out by the end of the year and maybe even sooner. In his boldest words yet on the subject, the outspoken critic of the war predicts the withdrawal and tells 60 Minutes correspondent Mike Wallace why he thinks the Bush administration will do it

“I think the vast majority will be out by the end of the year and I’m hopeful it will be sooner than that,” Murtha tells Wallace, this Sunday, Jan. 15, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

“You’re going to see a plan for withdrawal,” says Murtha. He believes Congress will pass it because of mounting pressure from constituents tired of the war that could affect the upcoming midterm elections.

The political situation will force President Bush to accede to Congress, he says. “I think the political people who give [the president] advice will say to him, ‘You don’t want a democratic Congress. You want to keep a Republican majority, and the only way you’re going to keep it is by reducing substantially the troops in Iraq,’” Murtha says.

The president has said publicly that any decision regarding Iraq would be based on the situation there and not on Washington politics.

Murtha rejects the president’s argument that the war on terror is being fought in Iraq. “The insurgents are Iraqis – 93 percent of the insurgents are Iraqis. A very small percentage are foreign fighters….Once we’re out of there, [Iraqis] will eliminate [foreign fighters],” says Murtha.

“[President Bush] is trying to fight this war with rhetoric. Iraq is not where the center of terrorism is,” he says. “We’re inciting terrorism there....We’re destabilizing the area by being over there because we’re the targets,” Murtha says.

When Wallace challenges him by saying, “General Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, says your comments are damaging recruiting and hurting the troops,” Murtha responds by saying it’s the military’s own fault. “[Troops] are rotated [into Iraq] four and five times. They have no clear mission,” says Murtha. “One of the problems they have with recruitment is [that] they continually say how well things are going and the troops on the ground know better.”

President Bush has said there are only two choices in Iraq: victory and defeat. And he has implied that Murtha is a defeatist. Murtha, of course, disputes that.

There have been 13 servicemen from his Congressional district killed in Iraq. Could the families of those dead be offended? Wallace asks.

“Well, I hope [those families] understand,” says the Vietnam combat veteran. “It’s my job, my responsibility, to speak out when I disagree with the policy of the president of the United States,” says Murtha. “All of us want this president to succeed…I feel a mission here, with my experience, that I have to help the president find a way out of this thing.”

on this board today (not unlike any other day, really), is amazing.  Okay, we all have our ideals, our belief system, etc.  But this board is a sad, tragic, IF very minute microcosm of why this country is so far in the dirt.........educated adults who will hate, insult, stamp their feet, stick out their tongues, and spew garbage rhetoric, RATHER THAN join with the country, the new president, the senate, congress, etc., and try to be part of the SOLUTION  instead of the PROBLEM.  We will NEVER fix this country, whether we have a democrat, republican, or independent in office, with pure hate and spite.  This is a chance for a new start.  Why not wait and see, why not pray for the president, teh cabinet, the Congress, and the whole nation, and try to work in our own ways for change.  While we are busy hating each other, we are strengthening the real enemies out there who truly want to harm us.  Everybody grow up.  Both my parents went through the Great Depression, and I grew up knowing and seeing it written on their faces just how awful it was to try to live through.  Instead of arguing and namecalling while the country teeters on the egde, why not TRY, why not wait to see before condemnining, why not see what each one of us, in our little lives, can do to help???

It is cold comfort to point fingers and laugh at the "other side" when both sides are falling into the abyss that is the growing national debt, growing unemployment, plunging stock market, while still mired in wars we cannot pay for.  Discussing political ideologies, hopes, fears, and issues is great, pure scathing hate and animosity will insure more failure.  Can you all not put our beautiful country ahead of everything else, the future of our kids and grandkids, stop childish fighting, and become part of the SOLUTION instead of the PROBLEM?   Please? 

That's right, Bush is still alive and well.  Check this out.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#28024676

Yeah, I know it's MSNBC, but how many other people are doing a lame duck watch?

During my search for the Obama "messiah" discussion, I am just appalled at the nastiness of this campaign.  As an INDEPENDENT, voting for Mr. Independent, my unbiased opinion is that the Republicans are running a nasty campaign based on half-truths and no truths.  Just look at the nastiness on this board if anyone DARES speak a favorable word about Obama. 

My intention this minute is to do a write-in vote for Lou Dobbs.  Should it look as if McCain is going to win, I WILL switch and vote AGAINST John McCain and if that means a vote for Obama, well, so be it.  I have already stated my objections to Obama and got myself in a peck of trouble for doing it!

You know, I have never been so concerned about our election or our country in all my life.  This really weighs heavy on me and I so hate seeing people on this board and others as well as people I come in contact every day so biased one way or the other they won't even begin to listen to any questions about their candidate.  There are plenty of things about both candidates that really concern me.  One thing that has been overlooked is that Congress plays a big part in what a president can and cannot do, although both the Republican led Congress and the present Democrat led Congress are failing the American people.  It is my feeling they should have put the brakes on George W. Bush on many different occasions but instead they have given him free reign.

I agree with Lou Dobbs almost 100%.  I agree that I'm for LEGAL immigration but ILLEGAL is quite another thing.  Our wages are going down and our cost of living is going up, in large part due to the influx of illegals overloading our schools, our ERs and other public services.  This is particularly true here in my part of the country where there are big businesses that demand the low-wage workers and our senator and representative vote against the will of the majority of citizens because the big biz is who owns them.  I wonder if Lou Dobbs were elected president, what kind of president would he be.  I was hoping he would run.  At least we have a news commentator who tells it as it is on both sides.

It really concerns me that posters on this board are so busy fighting over the candidate they can't even discuss the issues.  I always thought MTs were of above average intelligence but reading some of the posts here, I'm starting to rethink that thought.  I've been out and around all day and came home looking forward to seeing what was new and danged if the fighting, backbiting and nastiness here isn't worse than it was this morning.

Seems to me he thought he found something and before confirming it, he started appearing on talk shows.  At the most, he knowingly lied and wanted to tell his base what they wanted to hear. 

At the least, he's reckless and sloppy in his approach to things. 

I suppose the true test of his character will be if he comes clean and admits he was wrong.

Other than that, I find it increasingly difficult on a daily basis to understand why some of these politicians do what they do, both Republican and Democrat alike.

finance law.  Maybe McCain can allow homeless to stay in one of his 11 homes when he and Cindy are out flying in their personal jet?