Ignorance abounds on this board........

• What an egotistical person....... - sm
  • Yep, our founding fathers did lay the foundation...(sm) - Just the big bad
    • No, the Republicans, for the most part, are trying to - save and respect the Constitution, unlike O.nm
      • That's not what Bush said...(sm) - Just the big bad
        • Bush is not really a republican - he's in his own circle - I just gotta be me
    • Why is it our country's responsibility to evolve with - the world? you seem to miss the point
      • Oh boy....(sm) - Just the big bad
        • So you believe we need separate parties to - run our country instead of common sense? How sad!
          • Nope....that's not what I said...(sm) - Just the big bad
          • Common sense does not exist with the dems - Easy to see that.....and really scary.nm
          • We had a dictator with the last administration......nm - sm
            • And making BIGGER government isn't a dictator? - we definitely have that now! NM
          • trash or treasure? gotta have checks and balances...... - sm
            • More lambs to the slaughter.....oh lordy, gotta have - those parties...what would we do!!!!!
            • You don't need parties for checks and balances - nm
      • Yeah......who needs laws? - sm
        • Ignorance abounds on this board........ - sm
          • Ignorance abounds - Tli

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In my town a lady has been arrested for trying to abort her unborn child by ingesting an assortment of dangerous substances, normal household cleaning agents and other substances found in every home.  Okay, I an definitely against abortion BUT if it's no big deal for those who choose abortion to go out and purposefully abort their child and this lady is trying to do the same thing only differently, what's the difference?   If she can be arrested, then shouldn't ALL mothers attempting abortion be arrested? 

This is as asinine as saying abortion is okay because the fetus isn't REALLY a child but on the other hand after the Laci Peterson murder in which she was carrying a child, a law was then passed that if a woman was killed while carrying a child, that person would be charged for 2 murders, not one, because the fetus IS a child!!!

Of course, there is really no way around trying to excuse it.  If the fetus is a living thing if the mother is killed while pregnant, then isn't the fetus a living thing that deserves life, thereby abortion being murder?  So absolutely asinine the laws we pass that just contradict one another!  

by Gretyl Macalaster

PORTSMOUTH - The evidence for impeachment of the president and vice president is overwhelming, former CIA analyst and daily presidential briefer Ray McGovern told a room full of people at the Portsmouth Public Library Monday night.

McGovern, who provided daily briefings for former presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush as well as other high ranking officials during his 27 year CIA career, said he has witnessed a "prostitution of his profession" as the Bush administration lied to the American people about the evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

"Don’t let anyone tell you the President was deceived by false intelligence … they knew," McGovern said.

For the next 40 minutes, he relayed a series of events leading up to 9/11 which illustrate the President’s desire to go to war with Iraq well before 9-11, that reliable CIA evidence showed that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction and was presented to the administration and the "facts were fixed" in order to legitimize the invasion.

"The estimate which said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction was prepared to the terms of reference laid down by Cheney in a speech on Aug. 26, 2002. It was the worst estimate of intelligence and came to the wrong conclusions, but it was designed to do that," McGovern said.

McGovern has been an outspoken commentator on intelligence-related issues since the late 1990s and since 2002 has been publicly critical of Bush’s use of government intelligence in the lead-up to the war.

The recent report detailing Iran’s stopping its nuclear weapons program four years ago, is an example of how the administration knows it can no longer hide such "incontrovertible evidence" from the American people in the fallout from the misinformation they received on the Iraq War, McGovern said. He added that he had almost given up on believing their were people still working at the top with a conscious and enough people at the top willing to let analysts do their job and accept independent analysis.

In late 2005, Congress requested an estimate on Iranian nuclear capabilities.
"My former colleagues got really good, incontrovertible evidence that the program, such as it was, has been ordered stopped since 2003. The evidence was such that not even Cheney could deny it. That’s why the report was not produced until three weeks ago," McGovern said, adding that the Bush administration has been putting "spin" on their rhetoric ever since.

McGovern also addressed the reasoning he believes is behind the threat of war with Iran. He said he believes Israel thinks they have a pledge from the White House to deal with Iran before Bush leaves office and relayed the story of the U.S.S. Liberty, which was attacked by the Israelis in 1967 and covered up by the United States. Thirty-four U.S soldiers were killed and about 170 were seriously injured.

"It seems to me, that on June, 8, 1967, Israel realized it could literally get away with murder," McGovern said.

McGovern said he also believes Congress will be of little help. Recently House Speaker Nancy Pelosi admitted to learning about torture and illegal eavesdropping in briefings, but said it was her understanding when briefed, that she will not share the information with anyone else, including other members of the House Intelligence Committee.

McGovern called Pelosi out on violating her oath to uphold the Constitution "against enemies, foreign or domestic" by allowing acts in violation of the Constitution to continue by not saying "diddly."

He added that although an impeachment bill currently in Congress is gaining more support, Democrats are shying away because of the influence of lobbies and political analysts telling them to "wait it out" until the election.

Charges in the impeachment bill sponsored by Dennis Kucinich, are very detailed and "as good as any," McGovern said, and referenced the illegal eavesdropping of American citizens. He added that the President has "admitted" to this "demonstrably impeachable offense."

"The argument for impeachment is overwhelming," Randy Kezar of Kingston said after the event. "Impeachment is constitutionally required."

McGovern’s visit was co-sponsored by NH Codepink, Seacoast Peace Response, NH Peace Action, NH American Friends Service Committee, Seacoast 9-11 Questions Group, NH Veterans for Peace and Witness for Peace-N.E.

some respect?

You publicly post on the other board that you *try not to visit the bog of eternal stench.*

Well, doesn't look like you are trying all that hard. Or is that another example of Conservative honesty, like your buddy on the other board lies 3 times before suddenly deciding to be *up front* (in her own words) about the whole bogus line of crap she was spouting.

You and your 2 friends don't respect anyone unless they're a member of your little club, think exactly as you think, belong to the same political party as you belong, and believe in the very same little narrow SUBsection of one particular religion.

That's what I interpret from YOUR WRITTEN WORDS.  Your posts don't show respect.  They only show twisted *facts*, ignorance, anger and hatred.

You can't be *respectful* on your own board but suddenly, when you come here - HERE - the place YOU call *the bog of eternal stench* you suddenly discover some respectability during your mouse click from there to here?

Please.  Some of us aren't as stupid as you think we are.

You're becoming quite a bore.  You and your friends stated you don't want us on your board, but you're not happy unless you're picking a fight.  You and your *gang* told us to leave and not to post on *your* board.  Maybe that should work both ways.

Out of ALL the problems with radical Conservatives, maybe the most annoying thing is that you don't believe in equality at all.  You believe in SUPERIORITY.  Somewhere along the line, someone made you think you were special and above everyone else.  Sheesh!  You're not happy unless you're dictating to everyone else in the country what they're allowed to do in their own personal lives regarding life, death, science, etc. You even think YOUR GOD IS BETTER than everyone else's.

You want to make the rules, censor people and tell them which boards they can and cannot post on, but YOU want to invade them all and spew your ignorance and hatred. 

In my heart, I believe there are sincere, honest, intelligent Conservatives out there who are capable of a sensible debate.  I've seen them.  (I hope you don't chase them away, too.)  But and your crew don't fall in that category, and this will be the last of your inane posts I will subject myself to.

Talk about stench. Just read your very own posts.

Can we get the political board back to the true purpose of this board – to share opinions of why we like our candidate.  Not bash and cut down others because they don’t agree with you.

I stayed away from this board for the past couple days because anyone who had anything positive to say about Sarah Palin got slammed, bashed, kicked down, etc.  After awhile I found it all too draining, and was not seeing any reason to come.  Yes, I did see some of it towards people who favored Barack Obama, but if you read the posts again it is mostly towards anyone who favored Sarah Palin/John McCain.

I thought the political board was for posting information regarding politics and candidates.  What I have seen for the past few days is that it has been an attack board.  Especially if you have anything positive you want to share about Sarah Palin.  You say something good about her and you get attacked, you answer back, and you get attacked more, and then when you get mad and pretty much say stop attacking me, they come back with this “Geez, I’m allowed to have an opinion”.

Another thing I am tired of seeing is the slanderous, hate filled, really off the wall comments about Sarah Palin.  The latest was something about her daughter actually had her baby.  Talk about just bizarre comments.  I thought what’s next, she’s an alien from another planet?  The more I kept reading the more the comments were getting just really weird and bizarre.  Of course nobody ever having any proof of any of these allegations.  I then came to realize that the posters were just trying to get a fight going.

I also saw posts that had nothing to do with politics but attacking a poster named Sam.  Again, probably trying to get another fight going for no good reason and on things that have nothing to do whatsoever with politics.  I’ve read “Sam is like an annoying nat that you sway away”, “Sam, please let me know where you work” or “she must have her quota” or “sam is to the politics board as oracle is to the”  This childish rhetoric is getting old.  I’m not defending sam she is a big girl and I can see by her posts she can take care of herself, but my point is that this has nothing to do with politics.  If you want a fight maybe you could request that the administrator create a separate “fight and degrade” section.

I’ve read the administrators post a couple different times called Beware of Flaming.  She/he said as long as we realize that not everyone is going to agree we shouldn’t wear our feelings on our sleeves and a little more oversight on here would be good.  Let people express his or her opinion and move on.  If you don’t like someone just ignore that person. “It’s not rocket science, you know” (I liked that statement)

I consider posting on this board a privilege and not a right.  If you don’t agree with something and you post that you don’t agree and state the facts why (and are civilized about it) that’s one thing, but when you bash and degrade others without showing proof and just want to start fights and belittle others it just seems a bit juvenile to me.

I come to the politics board to hear ideas and stuff (facts) about the candidates.  That is how I’m learning about each one, but I don’t want to read people attack other posters for no good reason.  I'd like to hear about Obama/Biden & McCain/Palin, but I want to hear facts.

If you like to fight so much why don’t you pick on people that you can fight to face to face. 

I just love it when people try to wallow around in righteous, indignant self pity.  If you're so concerned about the plight of the Jewish people, why don't you go and help out your grandmother? 

Ask yourself this question.  Since Great Britian and the UN thought so highly of Jews as to actually declare them a separate nation, why didn't they create that nation in Europe?  My guess is that there were 2 reasons.  Number one would have to be the *not in my backyard phenomenon.*  The other was simply as a controlling interest in the region.  The reality is that Britian didn't give a rat's butt about the Jews.  They just picked the most susceptible minds (at the time) to carry out their plans.  They sold the idea of backing Isreal through religion and still do, just like the US does.  One big clue to this is exactly how much we actually back Israel.  We have brought them up to the level of nukes while they are still just fighting against homemade bombs.  We (the US) look the other way when Israel kills hundreds of Palestinians, but will run a prime time special if 2 (not 200, just 2) Israelis are killed.  Yeah, that's a fair fight.  We back other leaders in the middle east, but only to a point (Saddam for example).  Once they get to a point where they may actually become a threat to Israel (a holding interest for the west) we always manage to call them a threat for some other reason and level the playing field. 

I really wish people would look at the big picture on this one.  From a political standpoint, Israel is nothing more than a bishop in a chess game.

by ill-informed punkinheads who pretend to know something about our political situation. Just spewing the same worn out talking points that don't amount to squat.

As a Christian, I would appreciate it if people would leave this type of subject out of our children's education.  It is not unreasonable to ask since we have given up God and prayer in the schools to accommodate those who do not believe. 

There are some people who will ridicule the act as well as the person as you can clearly see when we get on the subject of homosexuality.  But you cannot group all of us into this category.  I do not agree with that lifestyle but having no reason to treat them poorly.  That is what I want to teach my children.  We may not agree but we cannot be mean to them. 

However, I cannot stand by and allow the teaching that homosexuality is okay.  It is too controversial of a topic for that to be taught in schools.....just like religion.  I can teach my children acceptance of people without teaching acceptance of a lifestyle we don't agree with and I would appreciate it if schools wouldn't undermine my authority on that subject. 

You don't see me going around forcing religion on children who I know has parents who don't believe in God and don't want their kids hearing about God.

Just take a look at this administration. 

Give up on trying to reason with this MT person.  When she still doesn't get it - even when her actual words are presented to her - this is not a normal mind.