If this is your philosophy, why are you throwing Bush's numbers around...sm
Posted By: Democrat on 2005-09-18
In Reply to: Well, are they back up since the Clinton adm. - Reality check
as if you are proud that he is spending more on social programs than Clinton. Just trying to understand your thinking?
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Throwing Shoes at President Bush
I just saw a story on Headline News Network about the shoe-throwing incident, and they said the people of Iraq are divided on how they feel about it, but nobody feels it was wrong, half of them think it was the right thing to do and half think it was an embarrassment but not necessarily the wrong thing to do.
so if they feel that way, let's bring our precious sons and daughters home, and never go back. Our finances are in crisis, we can't afford to be spending billions where we're not wanted. What's the point of being there and spending all this money we could be using in much better ways. Why keep risking the lives of our troops for people who don't appreciate it at all? I'm no political genius, far from it, but plain old common sense says this is just wrong!
Kruschev said they (meaning, their philosophy) would take us over from within.
One only has to imagine: Would Kruschev be laughing or crying over the direction the current administration is taking?
Not a tough question to answer, so there's no prize offered.
Thjis proves exactly Kaydie's father's philosophy...nm
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Fox is throwing her under the bus..(sm)
Last night Bill O'Reilly had a reporter on that spoke about the problems Palin presented in the McCain camp. Bill didn't actually agree with what was being said, but he also didn't argue the point. Let's face it, that's not Bill's style. He argues with EVERYONE that doesn't see his point of view on that show, and yet failed to stand up for Sarah Palin, who Fox News has promoted through this whole thing. I think they were setting her up from the beginning to take the fall. In my view that does not excuse her lack of knowledge or a bunch of other stuff she has done, but I think it's sad to use someone like that.
Nothing like throwing
parties when the American people are suffering, losing jobs and homes, etc. But hey....let's spend loads of money on steak and alcohol and throw a big ole house party at the White House.
You know....if I actually saw our governemtn or Obama at least trying to NOT spend any money....I might feel a little bit more confident about our future. Makes me sick! Sick sick sick!!!!
Palin isn't through throwing mud yet...(sm)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/12/palin/index.html#cnnSTCText
There you go again, throwing religion around.
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Do your research before throwing stones
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On the evening 1/20, my friends are throwing a
The only thing I wish is that Mr. Obama could've taken office an hour after the votes were officially counted. As a 'parting gift' to the oil industry, Bush tried to give them drilling rights in some of Utah's most majestic national parks. Fortunately there was anough of an outcry (and I believe a lawsuit) about it, that such a travesty can be held at bay a while longer, until we finally have a SANE PERSON in the White House. It just can't happen SOON ENOUGH!
Throwing bleach on 70-year-old women...
destroying property...not necessary to do either of those to exercise free speech. They were acting like thugs. I believe they were going to engage in "civil" disobedience. Injuring innocent people and destroying private property is hardly civil.
I am all for free speech...I am also for respecting innocent people and the property of others.
That is throwing a bone to the democrats, honey....
so they will pass the thing, and let the rich folks' money flooding wall street fix it instead of OURS. You noticed the operative word "chance." If they still can't make their payments they ARE going to go into foreclosure and the government is not going to own their houses.
I can take it on the chin if they have ability to keep their houses if it saves us 6+ billion dollars.
THAT is my rationale.
Why don't you discuss like an adult instead of throwing temper tantrums?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
Sarcasm... isn't that what you were throwing around earlier? Just thought I'd throw some too.
Didn't realize you cornered the market. But, hey, if you want some Bible verses, I can pitch a few of those too.
Sorry if I offended you, but I imagine the OP was perhaps a little offended at your insinuation that she was a paranoid lunatic. Well, as momma always said, if you can't take the heat...
or
Don't dish it out if you can't eat it.
throwing himself on the floor kicking because Scooter didn't get his pardon.......
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Protests erupt in Iraq in support of shoe-throwing reporter
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Politics/?id=3.0.2815505803
The numbers
If there's one thing that surprises me about the ratio, it's that I truly believe it's a much higher number of soldiers that suffers from PTSD. I believe this is a disease that doesn't show itself immediately, so my bet would be that these numbers will rise dramatically, assuming the entire truth is shared with us by the government, once this is all said and done.
ISP numbers
The administrator of this site has her pets (some of the Conservatives on the Politics board, for example), no doubt about that, and has done some bizarre things with people's posts and ISP numbers. Just check page 3 on the Company board under the thread dated 8/18 transcend job - looking for work and see the administrator's defense of this company. I thought it was bizarre, and she was even questioned as to her connection with this particular company, which she didn't answer, and instead responded indicating that she had tracked ISP numbers of some posters and made some sort of accusation that I didn't understand, but I think it had to do with one poster using more than one moniker. I can't find where she has jumped to the defense of any other company. It did seem to stop people from posting about the company, though, which I assume was her intent. I mean, who can feel free to post anything about a company, especially if they are still employed there, if they are afraid their ISP will be tracked if the administrator doesn't agree with the person's opinion of the company?
Just be careful what you post on these boards. Big Sister is definitely watching and is taking down numbers.
Having said that, wouldn't surprise me if my ISP is tracked and compared now. Probably just time to leave this site altogether and find one I can trust. It's just not worth it any more.
Nine numbers.
1. 1,841 soldiers killed in Iraq as of August 12, 2005.
2. $300 billion spent on the Iraq war as of August 12, 2005.
3. 0 - number of WMD found in Iraq.
4. 4 - the multiple by which North Korea has increased its nuclear weapons arsenal while George Bush led us into Iraq.
5. $236 billion - the surplus Bill Clinton left George Bush.
6. $333 billion - the current deficit under G.B.
7. 1 in 5 - the number of American children below the poverty line - an increase of 13% since Bush took office.
8. 5 million - the number of people who have lost their health insurance since Bush took office.
9. 0 - the number of mistakes Bush admits to making during his first term.
And the scandals...Supreme Court right off the bat, corporation scandals, Enron et. al. , Iraq lies and stupidity, hurricane scandal, Michael Brown, Chertoff, Delay, Frist, Scooter, homeland security debacle...it just goes on and on and on. I really think that finally the jig is up for Bush et al. Some pretty well respected tenured people in his own party have had about enough and are becoming vocal about it...Thank God.
Numbers do not mean a whole lot...
when you consider that SIX of them took out THREE THOUSAND of our people. And it would only take a handful of them with dirty suitcase bombs to do unmeasured damage to this country. Not to mention a handful with bombs strapped on them in malls across this country. Teddy, friend, you better WAKE up. And don't think for a minute that the so-called peace-loving Muslims in the world won't jump on the bandwagon when the tide turns in their direction. If they are so peace loving, why are they not standing on rooftops and denouncing what is being done in the name of their peace-loving religion? Put their money where their mouth is so to speak. Curiously silent are they. That should speak volumes to you. Look at Iran...there are a lot of people there who might want a different life, but they are not willing to buck those in power to get it. And neither are any of the other millions of peace loving Muslims around the world, or they would be taking care of this problem in their ranks THEMSELVES. How do you rationalize that??
The numbers in the name actually
Refer to numerology, not the number of letters in the name. This works as follows.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
a b c d e f g h I
j k l m n o p q r
s t u v w x y z
So Barack Hussein Obama would be 2+1+9+1+3+2+8+3+1+1+5+9+5+6+2+1+4+1
This comes to 64. When you have a 2 digit number, you add those together. So Obama, a 64, reduces to 10, which reduces to a 1. That's the name.
You have a different # for the date of birth, which is the life path. You add the day, month and year (all digits) and reduce the same as above. The numbers you don't reduce are 11 and 22. Those are master numbers and stand alone.
You can also do this for every day of the week, month, year, etc.
Now these are numbers you don't hear about.
Nearly 28,000 soldiers who served in Iraq and were discharged have already sought care at a VA facility. Of the nearly 245,000 veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan already discharged from service, 12,422 have been in VA counseling centers for readjustment problems and symptoms associated with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
Not emails. ISP numbers.
Last week on the company board, someone asked about a certain company. I worked for this company. I responded to the post as honestly as I could.
My post was responded to by the administrator who defended the company and suggested that all the problems were caused by my sound card and not the terrible platform that this company has. (It's a company-wide issue, and this problem is experienced by most employees.)
Someone else responded, confirming what I said to be true and wondering what the administrator's connection to this company was. This was never answered by the administrator.
The administrator instead responded to her OWN post (subsequently disputed by another poster) as I have copied and pasted below.
This made me wonder what motivated this administrator to go through the trouble of tracking ISP numbers of posters. She must have some sort of personal connection to it, so other posters posting about other companies MIGHT be safe, but who knows? Obviously, if someone is unhappy at this particular company and posts her experiences on the board, only to have the administrator track her ISP number, that causes concern as to whether the administrator is sharing these ISP numbers with this company. For that reason, I don't trust this site or the administrator any more, and I'm searching for another, more ethical site to frequent. It's one thing to come to a political board and express your opinion. It's quite another to do it on the company board where people's jobs could be in jeopardy for speaking the truth.
Ok, what I see are the same IP ranges for some of these posts where sound quality is
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Posted By: Administrator (sm) on 2005-08-19
In Reply to: Are you sure the sound quality was the platform and not your sound card? Also, I don't know of ma - Administrator nm
concerned. The same poster claimed that the services VR was released too soon, yet another poster says they are making good money. Someone isn't being fair and it's the person posting the same thing more than once.
The rest of the numbers. TI
This is reality in Israel: From 29 September 2000 through 11 January 2003:
5,041 injured, 717 killed, 15,992 attacks
IDF Spokesperson 12 January 2003
Injured: 3,585 Civilians + 1,456 Security Forces = 5,041 Total Israeli Injured
Killed: 503 Civilians + 214 Security Forces = 717 Total Israeli Killed
Total Attacks*: 7,139 West Bank + 8,203 Gaza Strip + 650 Home Front =15,992 Total
* Does not include attacks with rocks or fire bombs.
This is a death toll greater (in proportion) than America suffered on 9/11 and the American people would never tolerate this! So why should Israel have to endure this year after year while the world does nothing? The same people that hate Israel are the same people that hate America!
I see these numbers are through 2003...sm
Had the conflict calmed down from 2003 - 2006?
Also, mind you, the death and injury toll I posted above is from this latest one month conflict alone.
Whose numbers? Limbaugh's
Proof please. He's still #1 on the talk radio circuit. If he loses a few thousands here and there it's hardly a drop in the bucket. Liberal shows can hardly keep their power on. There's really not an argument there. The proof is in black and white.
Exactly - verifiable numbers
are presented. I can get past whether SP is her friend or her mortal enemy. Give me the meat, I'll go from there.
Maybe she should give someone else the numbers
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Unemployment numbers
The unemployment numbers came out at over 6%, but the number of people working part-time who would prefer full-time would actually be 1 in 10, leading to around 11%. 10 million people are unemployed right now in US. That is a lot of people needing help and it looks like a lot more are going to need help.
Except for your numbers don't account for everything
Do you have any idea how many people, especially minorities in Georgia work "under the table"?
And obviously if an African American is employed and a white is not, then the African American makes more.
Don't even get me started on welfare and how minorities get first dibs on that too.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: It was never about equality, it was about payback. Minorities have more opportunities than ever and more help than ever, while lower and middle class white people are just SOL. They can't get food stamps, they can't get scholarships, they can't get any kind of help the way minorities can.
These numbers are taken out of context and distorted
Don't believe everything you read, especially from anti-American organizations like this that you cite.
I don't think you will get it...Re-read the numbers I posted...nm
Those numbers are GROSSLY exaggerated. sm
By most counts, even CNN, maybe 100,000. Funny, but two weeks ago, there was a prolife march in Washington with over 100,000. I never saw anything about that on the news. Tell me again they are not liberal.
Some grossly minimized the numbers sm
I think the DC Big Brother cams in Washington counted 125,000. Count inside the Mall was 300,000. I do not what figure is accurate, but from pictures I saw the Mall was filled. There was a lot of people there.
The media are corporate and work for the state, not the people. The American people are seriously uninformed and misinformed because of it. This is why we are called The Sleeping Giant in other countries.
I think you're numbers are wrong. The top 5% of
the U.S. makes millions and billions. $200,000 is NOT the 'top 5%' of the country. It's definitely more than a single, head-of-household MT makes, but depending on where you live, it won't put you in that mansion on the hill, either.
When he talks about raising taxes on the top 5%, he's not talking about YOU. He's talking about people like Bill Gates. He's talking about huge corporations (like the oil industry, tobacco industry, HMO & insurance industries, etc.) that rake it in, and then have a jillion and a half loopholes and secret cubbyholes to stash it in.
Then give me the numbers and let me compare them....
simple enough request.
You only seem to understand numbers on paper,
live in the real world? Don't you see, hear and read about this and other issues every single day?
What would be the point in producing a numbers, especially to you? Numbers can be tweeked and skewed to produce whatever result you want them to. (Not unlike the words in the Bible, or the Quran, for that matter).
You know EXACTLY what I and others on this board are talking about when we present our views on the issues, and your constant response, 'Show me the numbers', has gotten a little too repetitive to have much in the way of value.
Denial won't turn those numbers around.
I wouldn't expect too much out of the debate tomorrow either, especially McC caves and makes good on his threat to talk about Ayers. Can you say plunging numbers?
If your not hung up on numbers then don't post about it.
I'm not defending Bush, I'm just getting tired of the Bush bashing. I addressed that below too.
I didn't say you thought Bush was cute or funny, I said you think your comments are cute and funny (they are not).
Bush IS an embarrassment. I will be glad he is not the president anymore. I'm just tired of the Bush bashing and comments made about his IQ (which you did). We get it already, you don't like him. Not sure many do, but enough is enough.
Yes, it's been a hard 8 years. The fact is its been a hard 16 years. Clinton was no better with his gomer pyle attitude and shucks and golly gee. He disgraced the office way long before GW ever took over. The blame for disgracing the office begins with him.
I do hope to see some trials come up. He and the rest of the crew should be held accountable for what they did, but the Bush bashing is getting real old and when you make statements like "A triple digit IQ will be a welcome change for the country" when you know that Bush has a triple digit (that is if you read any websites) your comments are just as offensive as all the other lies put out. I'd find it equally repugnant if people put down and lied about Obama and said he had just a double digit IQ. These lies are getting old.
I'll be glad that Bush is leaving, but there is no reason to celebrate yet. The country is in a world of hurt and we don't know what kind of person Obama is yet. I don't have high hopes as I see people losing their jobs, homes, health care, retirements, etc. That is nothing to be celebrating. If Obama does good and the economy picks up heck yeah, I'm going to be celebrating but not until then. I will celebrate on the anniversary of him being in office, or depending on what happens I will be looking forward to the next election.
You keep trying to defend yourself against what you said, but I find nothing but offense to your original post.
No matter what each of their IQ scores were Obama graduated from Columbia and Harvard, and Bush graduated from Yale and Harvard. You have to be smart to get into those schools. Both of them are. Bush's actions he has displayed - not so great in my books, but neither is Obama's past and what he had done, and especially who he is picking for his cabinet. Definitely not anything to celebrate. I celebrated when they left office along with The Impeached Clinton. Now those nincompoops are back??? Definitely nothing to be celebrating there!
Just please, enough with Bush bashing and calling him names. It's getting real old real fast.
Hte to break this to you, but the rating numbers
say NOTHING about where millions and millions and millions of Americans really go for their news. The internet has given us access to global media. MSNBC is still mainstream and, as a leftie, I can tell you that I find their coverage almost as frustrating as CNN and Fixed News. I need the much broader perspective found on local, national and international English-speaking radio talk shows and news accounts from outside the homeland borders found on the net.
I suspect I'm not the only one, considering the numbers reflected in these ratings are so puny when compared to the actual number of adult US citizens who have soundly rejected US monovision mainstream media outlets all together. Then there is the other side of the coin, those Americans who do not listen to the news at all because mainstream is SUCH a turn-off.
Unemployment numbers. What is 12.5 Million?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,506405,00.html
What I do not get is it states 4.4 million jobs have been lost since the recession began, but now at 12.5 million. So, about 8 million have been unemployed during, well, basically this year and last year? I guess I am in SHOCK a it is hard for me to want to believe it.
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More people are unemployed in America than live in Ohio or go to church in Texas.
Unemployment statistics don't usually leap off the page, but the latest report from the Department of Labor offers some astounding figures. More than 651,000 jobs were cut in February, continuing a steep drop that has raised the unemployment rate to 8.1 percent, its highest level since 1983.
Matched up against some of the latest stats made available by the Census Bureau, those numbers really do begin to add up.
• 651,000 jobs were axed in February, a number larger than the populations of:
- Baltimore
- Seattle
- Denver
- El Paso
- Washington, D.C.
• 12.5 million people are unemployed in the U.S., which is more than the number of:
- people watching ABC's "Lost" this season
- women attending college
- male scientists and engineers
- Americans who grow herbs
- people who played tackle football in the past year.
• 12.5 million people is also a number larger than the populations of 45 states, including
- Ohio
- Pennsylvania
- Michigan
- Virginia
• 4.4 million jobs have been lost since the recession began in December 2007, which is larger than the population of the entire San Francisco Bay Area.
• 2.6 million jobs have been lost in the past four months, which is like every Presbyterian in America getting the ax in one winter, or about the number of senior citizens in Florida.
• 8.6 million people have been forced to work part-time for economic reasons, which is more than the population of New York City, or more than the number of people who try to quit smoking every year.
The roll continues, and it is a stark one: construction companies eliminated 104,000 jobs in February, factories cut 168,000 jobs, retailers sliced nearly 40,000, professional and business services got rid of 180,000, financial companies reduced payrolls by 44,000, and leisure and hospitality firms chopped 33,000 positions.
Despite all the doom and gloom in the Labor Department's numbers, at least one sector had a pretty rosy February: the government boosted its number of employees last month.
Click here to see the Labor Department report.
Numbers aren't looking good for
Only 38% of Americans now think the country is headed in the right direction.
Only 42% favor universal healthcare, and when those who favor it are told that they will probably lower their level of coverage and increase their waiting times, fewer than 20% support it.
59% oppose legalizing marijuana and taxing it. And, when the amount of taxes this would actually raise is given as a percent of the national budget (less than 0.003%) and the potential costs to society are explained, the number who oppose the idea rises to nearly 80%.
Obama's approval index remains low at only +6 (% who strongly approve minus % who strongly disapprove of him). He started at around +30.
A generic Democrat and generic Republican continue to run neck-and-neck in a hypothetical race proposed to voters - +1 to -2 points either way. Not long ago, the generic Democrat was beating the Republican by a substantial margin but this is no longer the case.
The American voter is waking up - and Democrats attending the wake for the Republican party will look up from their drunken revelry to find that the deceased has jumped out of the coffin and is now vigorously engaged in kicking them in their sorry arses. It seems he was never dead in the first place. Consternation reigns.
I noticed that Druge and AOL had wayyy different numbers
so there
no numbers, ideas, detail or plan......
DailyKosTV has great video from the big announcement of the GOP budget today. The big news is that there really is no GOP budget. No numbers, no ideas, no details, no plan. They are the party of "NO" -- No future:
Correction. Latest numbers show a 6.5 lead.
how many seats in Congress adn the Senate the democrats gained? The message seems pretty clera to me. How do you keep that hatred from eating you up from the inside out? Obama won because desptie GOP's best efforts, they trust their future more to him than McCain. No amount of negativity can change the feeling of uplift, hope, excitement and enthusiasm for our President-elect. I feel sorry for you that you seem so determined to keep yourself down in the mud pit. Election's over. Your party needs your attention. Your country needs your help. Go figure.
Bush aides challenge Biden's boasts of Bush slapdowns.
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush, who does not remember the incident or an earlier episode in which Biden claims to have similarly rebuked Bush.
Biden spokesman Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
"The vice president stands by his remarks," Carney told FOX News without elaboration.
Those remarks include a shot that Biden took at Bush on Tuesday.
"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden told CNN, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"
That exchange never took place, according to numerous Bush aides who also dispute a similar assertion by Biden in 2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.
"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April 2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"
Bush aides now dispute the veracity of both assertions by Biden.
"I never recall Biden saying any of that," former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said after reviewing detailed notes of Bush's White House meetings with Biden, which include numerous direct quotes from Biden. "I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don't think that's true."
Fleischer said that whenever Bush met with Sen. Biden, the meeting also included a congressional counterpart so as to not "antagonize" the House.
Karl Rove, former White House political adviser, also was skeptical of Biden's claim to have spent "a lot of hours alone" with Bush.
"I remember checking on such a Biden exaggeration while at the White House and no one witnessed the meeting and his comments in remotely the same way," Rove said.
Candida P. Wolff, Bush's White House liaison to Capitol Hill, said the only meetings she remembered between Bush and Biden also included other lawmakers. She said such meetings were held in the Cabinet Room or the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, not the Oval Office, and certainly did not last for "hours."
"The president would never sit through two hours of Joe Biden," Wolff said. "I don't ever remember Biden being in the Oval. He was such a blowhard on all that stuff - there wasn't a reason to bring him in."
Andy Card, former White House chief of staff, reviewed the two Biden claims and said: "This does not ring true to me. I doubt that it happened."
A spokesman for Bush declined comment, although a person close to the former president said Bush does not remember either episode.
This is not the first time the veracity of Biden's assertions has been challenged. In 1988, he dropped out of the presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. The Washington Post also cited "the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record."
Last year, liberal Slate magazine recalled that "Biden's misdeeds encompassed numerous self-aggrandizing thefts, misstatements, and exaggerations that seemed to point to a serious character defect."
Also last year, Biden came under fire for telling a questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq.
"Let's start telling the truth," Biden said during a presidential primary debate sponsored by YouTube in July. "Number one, you take all the troops out -- you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die."
But when questioned about the episode afterward by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled from his claim of being "shot at" and instead allowed: "I was near where a shot landed."
Biden went on to say that some sort of projectile "landed" outside a building in the Green Zone where he and another senator had spent the night during a visit in December 2005. The lawmakers were shaving in the morning when they felt the building shake, Biden said.
"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," he told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."
Seven weeks after claiming to have been "shot at" in Iraq, Biden again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones -- this time on "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where my helicopter was forced down."
"If you want to know where AL Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."
But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.
"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."
Bush aides challenge Biden's boasts of Bush slapdowns.
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush, who does not remember the incident or an earlier episode in which Biden claims to have similarly rebuked Bush.
Biden spokesman Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
"The vice president stands by his remarks," Carney told FOX News without elaboration.
Those remarks include a shot that Biden took at Bush on Tuesday.
"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden told CNN, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"
That exchange never took place, according to numerous Bush aides who also dispute a similar assertion by Biden in 2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.
"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April 2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"
Bush aides now dispute the veracity of both assertions by Biden.
"I never recall Biden saying any of that," former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said after reviewing detailed notes of Bush's White House meetings with Biden, which include numerous direct quotes from Biden. "I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don't think that's true."
Fleischer said that whenever Bush met with Sen. Biden, the meeting also included a congressional counterpart so as to not "antagonize" the House.
Karl Rove, former White House political adviser, also was skeptical of Biden's claim to have spent "a lot of hours alone" with Bush.
"I remember checking on such a Biden exaggeration while at the White House and no one witnessed the meeting and his comments in remotely the same way," Rove said.
Candida P. Wolff, Bush's White House liaison to Capitol Hill, said the only meetings she remembered between Bush and Biden also included other lawmakers. She said such meetings were held in the Cabinet Room or the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, not the Oval Office, and certainly did not last for "hours."
"The president would never sit through two hours of Joe Biden," Wolff said. "I don't ever remember Biden being in the Oval. He was such a blowhard on all that stuff - there wasn't a reason to bring him in."
Andy Card, former White House chief of staff, reviewed the two Biden claims and said: "This does not ring true to me. I doubt that it happened."
A spokesman for Bush declined comment, although a person close to the former president said Bush does not remember either episode.
This is not the first time the veracity of Biden's assertions has been challenged. In 1988, he dropped out of the presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. The Washington Post also cited "the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record."
Last year, liberal Slate magazine recalled that "Biden's misdeeds encompassed numerous self-aggrandizing thefts, misstatements, and exaggerations that seemed to point to a serious character defect."
Also last year, Biden came under fire for telling a questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq.
"Let's start telling the truth," Biden said during a presidential primary debate sponsored by YouTube in July. "Number one, you take all the troops out -- you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die."
But when questioned about the episode afterward by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled from his claim of being "shot at" and instead allowed: "I was near where a shot landed."
Biden went on to say that some sort of projectile "landed" outside a building in the Green Zone where he and another senator had spent the night during a visit in December 2005. The lawmakers were shaving in the morning when they felt the building shake, Biden said.
"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," he told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."
Seven weeks after claiming to have been "shot at" in Iraq, Biden again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones -- this time on "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where my helicopter was forced down."
"If you want to know where AL Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."
But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.
"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."
Bush aides challenge Biden's boasts of Bush slapdowns.
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush, who does not remember the incident or an earlier episode in which Biden claims to have similarly rebuked Bush.
Biden spokesman Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
"The vice president stands by his remarks," Carney told FOX News without elaboration.
Those remarks include a shot that Biden took at Bush on Tuesday.
"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden told CNN, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"
That exchange never took place, according to numerous Bush aides who also dispute a similar assertion by Biden in 2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.
"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April 2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"
Bush aides now dispute the veracity of both assertions by Biden.
"I never recall Biden saying any of that," former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said after reviewing detailed notes of Bush's White House meetings with Biden, which include numerous direct quotes from Biden. "I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don't think that's true."
Fleischer said that whenever Bush met with Sen. Biden, the meeting also included a congressional counterpart so as to not "antagonize" the House.
Karl Rove, former White House political adviser, also was skeptical of Biden's claim to have spent "a lot of hours alone" with Bush.
"I remember checking on such a Biden exaggeration while at the White House and no one witnessed the meeting and his comments in remotely the same way," Rove said.
Candida P. Wolff, Bush's White House liaison to Capitol Hill, said the only meetings she remembered between Bush and Biden also included other lawmakers. She said such meetings were held in the Cabinet Room or the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, not the Oval Office, and certainly did not last for "hours."
"The president would never sit through two hours of Joe Biden," Wolff said. "I don't ever remember Biden being in the Oval. He was such a blowhard on all that stuff - there wasn't a reason to bring him in."
Andy Card, former White House chief of staff, reviewed the two Biden claims and said: "This does not ring true to me. I doubt that it happened."
A spokesman for Bush declined comment, although a person close to the former president said Bush does not remember either episode.
This is not the first time the veracity of Biden's assertions has been challenged. In 1988, he dropped out of the presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. The Washington Post also cited "the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record."
Last year, liberal Slate magazine recalled that "Biden's misdeeds encompassed numerous self-aggrandizing thefts, misstatements, and exaggerations that seemed to point to a serious character defect."
Also last year, Biden came under fire for telling a questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq.
"Let's start telling the truth," Biden said during a presidential primary debate sponsored by YouTube in July. "Number one, you take all the troops out -- you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die."
But when questioned about the episode afterward by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled from his claim of being "shot at" and instead allowed: "I was near where a shot landed."
Biden went on to say that some sort of projectile "landed" outside a building in the Green Zone where he and another senator had spent the night during a visit in December 2005. The lawmakers were shaving in the morning when they felt the building shake, Biden said.
"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," he told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."
Seven weeks after claiming to have been "shot at" in Iraq, Biden again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones -- this time on "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where my helicopter was forced down."
"If you want to know where AL Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."
But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.
"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."
Bush aides challenge Biden's boasts of Bush slapdowns.
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush, who does not remember the incident or an earlier episode in which Biden claims to have similarly rebuked Bush.
Biden spokesman Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
"The vice president stands by his remarks," Carney told FOX News without elaboration.
Those remarks include a shot that Biden took at Bush on Tuesday.
"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden told CNN, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"
That exchange never took place, according to numerous Bush aides who also dispute a similar assertion by Biden in 2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.
"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April 2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"
Bush aides now dispute the veracity of both assertions by Biden.
"I never recall Biden saying any of that," former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said after reviewing detailed notes of Bush's White House meetings with Biden, which include numerous direct quotes from Biden. "I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don't think that's true."
Fleischer said that whenever Bush met with Sen. Biden, the meeting also included a congressional counterpart so as to not "antagonize" the House.
Karl Rove, former White House political adviser, also was skeptical of Biden's claim to have spent "a lot of hours alone" with Bush.
"I remember checking on such a Biden exaggeration while at the White House and no one witnessed the meeting and his comments in remotely the same way," Rove said.
Candida P. Wolff, Bush's White House liaison to Capitol Hill, said the only meetings she remembered between Bush and Biden also included other lawmakers. She said such meetings were held in the Cabinet Room or the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, not the Oval Office, and certainly did not last for "hours."
"The president would never sit through two hours of Joe Biden," Wolff said. "I don't ever remember Biden being in the Oval. He was such a blowhard on all that stuff - there wasn't a reason to bring him in."
Andy Card, former White House chief of staff, reviewed the two Biden claims and said: "This does not ring true to me. I doubt that it happened."
A spokesman for Bush declined comment, although a person close to the former president said Bush does not remember either episode.
This is not the first time the veracity of Biden's assertions has been challenged. In 1988, he dropped out of the presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. The Washington Post also cited "the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record."
Last year, liberal Slate magazine recalled that "Biden's misdeeds encompassed numerous self-aggrandizing thefts, misstatements, and exaggerations that seemed to point to a serious character defect."
Also last year, Biden came under fire for telling a questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq.
"Let's start telling the truth," Biden said during a presidential primary debate sponsored by YouTube in July. "Number one, you take all the troops out -- you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die."
But when questioned about the episode afterward by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled from his claim of being "shot at" and instead allowed: "I was near where a shot landed."
Biden went on to say that some sort of projectile "landed" outside a building in the Green Zone where he and another senator had spent the night during a visit in December 2005. The lawmakers were shaving in the morning when they felt the building shake, Biden said.
"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," he told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."
Seven weeks after claiming to have been "shot at" in Iraq, Biden again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones -- this time on "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where my helicopter was forced down."
"If you want to know where AL Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."
But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.
"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."
Yeah right. Served under Reagan, Bush I and Bush II
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Stop bringing up Bush - this post was not about Bush
I even said we have had some good presidents and some bad ones, but this post was not about Bush. It was about Obama. Yes Bush was one of the worst presidents I'm not arguing with you on that one, but everytime anyone brings up something about our current president they are shot back with Bush this or Bush that and on things that have nothing to do with what the current topic is about. Again, this was not about Bush. It was about Obama.
Oh, more "blame Bush" - except Bush didn't send these out, now did he?
Here's a news flash for you since you apparently haven't heard: BUSH IS NOT IN OFFICE and just today Gallup did a poll showing that THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS THINK OBAMA SHOULD START TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT HAPPENS ON HIS WATCH.
G E T A C L U E.
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