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I think I would if she didn't have the 'pubs behind her.
She was basically stabbed in the back and wronged in this election. She has a good head on her shoulders and I think she will go far. Her own 'ANONYMOUS" people stabbed her in the back. That was totally wrong. She needs to either get trusting people around her, or not listen to the jerks...and that's what hurt her. Jerks who wanted to make her look bad.
I just think they tried their darnest to fault her because they are afraid of her. She's a tough cookie and don't take any bull from anybody. That's somebody we need. Wait...she will bone up on the crappy hand dealt to her and she will be a different person in 2012.
Oops. I meant 'Pubs - not 'pus'. Though the
My biggest problem with the 'pubs is you guys ain't
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Has anyone here ever run for office?
Local,state, whatever. There seems to be a lot of complaining about how terrible the politicians are, but curious to know if anyone has ever run for office or actually held an elected position.
I certainly haven't.
GP, I think you should run for office
then when you get to Washington, you can clean up their act. 
TL office
The office I worked in was in Houston. TL was actually started by an MT. I forget the name.
lying in office
It was a personal matter between he and his wife and Monica. He only lied when the govt tried to pry into his private life. It had nothing to do with national security, and since he was impeached for lying, Im just waiting for Bush to get impeached or Rove to be fired for lying about giving out the name of Valerie Plame to reporters to out her. If there is gonna be a standard about lying while in office, it should work for this administration too. One saving grace on that, the prosecutor, Fitzgerald, seems like a tough guy who does not take sides but finds out the truth.
Hope this guy never wants to run for office..
you know what they do to people who return their medals...those commie pinkos !!!!
A Veteran’s Letter to the President:
“I Return Enclosed the Symbols of My Years of Service”
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by Joseph DuRocher |
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President George W. Bush
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, D.C. 20500
Dear Mr. President:
As a young man I was honored to serve our nation as a commissioned officer and helicopter pilot in the
U. S. Navy. Before me in WWII, my father defended the country spending two years in the Pacific aboard the U.S.S. Hornet (CV-14). We were patriots sworn “to protect and defend”. Today I conclude that you have dishonored our service and the Constitution and principles of our oath. My dad was buried with full military honors so I cannot act for him. But for myself, I return enclosed the symbols of my years of service: the shoulder boards of my rank and my Naval Aviator’s wings.
Until your administration, I believed it was inconceivable that the United States would ever initiate an aggressive and preemptive war against a country that posed no threat to us. Until your administration, I thought it was impossible for our nation to take hundreds of persons into custody without provable charges of any kind, and to “disappear” them into holes like Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and Bagram. Until your administration, in my wildest legal fantasy I could not imagine a U.S. Attorney General seeking to justify torture or a President first stating his intent to veto an anti-torture law, and then adding a “signing statement” that he intends to ignore such law as he sees fit. I do not want these things done in my name.
As a citizen, a patriot, a parent and grandparent, a lawyer and law teacher I am left with such a feeling of loss and helplessness. I think of myself as a good American and I ask myself what can I do when I see the face of evil? Illegal and immoral war, torture and confinement for life without trial have never been part of our Constitutional tradition. But my vote has become meaningless because I live in a safe district drawn by your political party. My congressman is unresponsive to my concerns because his time is filled with lobbyists’ largess. Protests are limited to your “free speech zones”, out of sight of the parade. Even speaking openly is to risk being labeled un-American, pro-terrorist or anti-troops. And I am a disciplined pacifist, so any violent act is out of the question.
Nevertheless, to remain silent is to let you think I approve or support your actions. I do not. So, I am saddened to give up my wings and bars. They were hard won and my parents and wife were as proud as I was when I earned them over forty years ago. But I hate the torture and death you have caused more than I value their symbolism. Giving them up makes me cry for my beloved country.
Joseph W. DuRocher
Joseph DuRocher was for 20 years the elected Public Defender of Florida’s Ninth Judicial Circuit, covering Orange and Osceola counties. Since retirement, he’s been writing and teaching law at the University of Central Florida and the Barry University School of Law. He was a commissioned officer in the U.S. Navy in the 1960s, serving as a Naval Aviator in the Atlantic, the Caribbean and the Mediterranean. On Monday, Mr. DuRocher returned his Lieutenant’s shoulder bars and Navy wings to President Bush, and enclosed the following letter. Mr. DuRocher can be reached at: PDJWD@aol.com.
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Every second he was in office he was investigated. sm
I do not know how the man stood it. Arizona even introduced a bill to succeed because of constitutional complaints concerning Clinton, HRC 2034. Where is that bill now? No president has trashed the constitution like Bush.
I know MTs that have become office managers
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Maybe he should run for some other government office.
They are in office for the last 8 years right?
and all yall voted for Bush right?
What about her office redecoration...sm
with city funds????
From the Huffington Post 9/17:
"Sarah Palin has been touting herself as fiscal watchdog throughout her political career. But Palin's tenure as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, was characterized by waste, cronyism and incompetence, according to government officials in the Matanuska Valley, where she began her fairy-tale political rise.
"Executive abilities? She doesn't have any," said former Wasilla City Council member Nick Carney, who selected and groomed Palin for her first political race in 1992 and served with her after her election to the City Council.
Four years later, the ambitious Palin won the Wasilla mayor's office -- after scorching the "tax and spend mentality" of her incumbent opponent. But Carney, Palin's estranged former mentor, and others in city hall were astounded when they found out about a lavish expenditure of Palin's own after her 1996 election. According to Carney, the newly elected mayor spent more than $50,000 in city funds to redecorate her office, without the council's authorization."
and from David Talbot at salon.com:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/17/palin_mayor/
If McCain is in office, we most definitely WILL
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Yes. He will be voted into office and be
He is a fine AMERICAN citizen who has dedicated his life to public service, has run a brilliant campaign, won over a "commanding" lead in the polls and will be making history in just 48 short hours or so.
8 years in office? sm
Pretty sure of yourself, aren't you, GP?
My husband just came into my office...sm
He was just watching Bill O'Reilly, and my husband said the most interesting things.
Ann Coulter is a humorist, not a politician. She says outrageous things, and sometimes they're funny (sometimes not, I guess). It's how she sells her books.
And I guess Bill and Ann don't like each other much.
The things she says offends those that are center right, and she really offended Bill O'Reilly. Bill thinks she gives conservatives a bad name, and part of that seems to be true.
But I have to agree with him. She can be very offensive in the way she talks and writes. Even though a lot of what she writes about may be true, she's not very nice about it.
No wonder she offends people.
Only 2 weeks in office and already
By what criteria? What he may or may not do? The stimulus package is only in the debate stage at this point, so no one can say what it will end up looking like. Before passing judgement and handing out indictments, suppose you at least wait until the verbs move from the subjunctive into the indicative moods and while you are at it, don't forget to factor in by way of comparison 8 years of lies, corruption, enrichment of corporate America and the wealthy on the backs of the middle class, scorched earth foreign policy, circumvention of the Constitution at every turn and that teeny-tiny thing we call torture
You mean the one they voted in BEFORE O took office?
a couple of weeks back, the first words out of Obama's mouth when he addressed his White House Staff were announcing a salary freeze on highly paid WH aides. Remember?
Wehether or not the Congress is able to vote in yet another salary increase in the future remains to be seen, doesn't it now? My question to you is why you are dodging the subject at hand? Please explain to me why the govt should not cap TARP CEO salaries?
I work in an office. EVERYONE there is against this
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My doc's office must be slipping...(sm)
They haven't asked me for my voter registration card yet, and I didn't see any signs when I went in denoting them as a dem or pub establishment. 
Consider the mentality of those who put him in office
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His office *knew* (tired) ...nm
so was it sexist of Hillary to run for office?
that's one of the most pitiful remarks and reminds me that the Dems are SCARED! or it would have taken longer than 5 SECONDS to bash her!
He was sitting in the office with them and they were briefing him...
but of course you have to have an open mind and yours is obviously snapped shut. If it doesn't come down from the DNC it doesn't exist. Got it.
Right! With Obama in office, where will the incentive
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but when his card gets to the polling office...
it will be knocked out and not counted. ACORN has to turn it in, it's up to the registrars in each town to verify it and count it.
Just wait and watch...Should the O get into office...sm
I would be willing to bet that taxes rise for everyone on everything, eventually. Goods, services, everything. I'm willing to bet people will lose jobs, because businesses will either scale down, or go elsewhere, or completely go out of business, because they can't or won't afford those taxes increases on businesses over 250,000.
Whatever....we will soon find out, won't we?
Gosh darn it, I sure don't want to pay 10 bucks for a loaf of bread, or 20 bucks for a gallon of milk!!!!
Big whoop.....like no political office ever does this
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Office of the President Elect...
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_president_elect_/2008/11/10/149643.html
Obama Invents 'Office of the President-Elect' |
Monday, November 10, 2008 12:54 PM
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Barack Obama has created a stir by proclaiming that he heads “The Office of President-Elect” — an office that does not officially exist.
At his first news conference on Nov. 7, Obama stood at a podium bearing a sign that read: “Office of the President-Elect. Also, his Web site, Change.gov, bears the words “Office of the President-Elect” at the top of its home page.
Writer Larry Anderson referred to the “made-up little title” on the American Thinker Web site, and declared: “I nearly busted a gut ...
“Once again, [Obama] can’t wait to invest himself with the trappings of office.”
Conservative columnist Michelle Malkin wondered: “What other make-believe offices are they going to invent between now and Inauguration Day? I can’t ever recall in my lifetime any mention of such an office.”
Technically speaking, Obama may not even be the President-elect, according to the American Sentinel Web site.
“Megalomaniac Obama’s ego grows even more insufferable,” a weekend posting reads.
“Yes, he will be [president-elect]. But he’s not officially yet, until the Electoral College votes.
“The Constitution provides that on the Monday after the second Wednesday in December, electors convene in their respective state capitals. It’s then that they formally elect the President of the United States, based on the general election results.”
The Nov. 7 news conference did not mark the first time Obama has created controversy with a podium.
Back in June, he spoke at a podium bearing a new seal that altered the official presidential seal.
The seal did include the American bald eagle clutching arrows and an olive branch, but the Latin phrase “E Pluribus Unum” was changed to “Vero Possumus,” a rough translation of the Obama campaign slogan, “Yes we can.”
Obama’s seal also removed the shield over the eagle’s breast, representing the president’s oath to defend the Constitution, and replaced it with the letter “O,” presumably for Obama, and the image of the rising sun.
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Chris isn't running for office...LOL
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He wasn't voted out of office
He was in an appointed position that ended when Taft's administration ended. He didn't win the election because he had been a member of Taft's administration, even though he had been a voice against it (much like McCain). And as far as him trying to make certain registrations invalid, there was a LOT of voter fraud going on in Ohio, just like in this past election, that he was trying to do something about, unlike the dem that's currently in that position. Dems are in control, that's true - as far as how much they will defend my right to my own opinion is yet to be seen - Fairness Doctrine on it's way to becoming law again? We'll just see.
Yes, he has...been very disrespectful to the office of the current
on a daily basis.
In his first day in office, President Obama
-- hit the ground running. Just got done watching TV to see what his first day was like. Just for fun, I looked up Bush's first day in 2001. Here's what I found:
"On his first day in office, Bush moved to block federal aid to foreign groups that offered counseling or any other assistance to women in obtaining abortions. Days later, he announced his commitment to channeling more federal aid to faith-based service organizations. At the time, critics feared this would dissolve the traditional separation of church and state. Bush created the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives to assist faith-based service organizations. In a televised address on Aug. 9, 2001, Bush would announce a national policy on stem cell research that authorized funding and research work, with federal restrictions over the use of human embryos."
Yeah, that whack-job started whacking way at women's control over their own bodies, tried to integrate government and the church (HUGE mistake!), and to outlaw one of the most promising medical breakthroughs. I'm surprised witch-trials and book-burning didn't come back into fashion again under his "leadership".
I think where he belongs is in some isolated, authoritarian religious cult out in the middle of nowhere.
You guyz say that every time a dem is in office. -sm
when a repub gets in and screws up (ie, the last 8, for example), then you blame it on the dems that came before them. As I recall, we were told in no uncertain terms that things would get a lot worse before they started to get better. They have, and they'll probably continue to do so, just as they would've if mcain were prez. I know taxes are part of life, that's how things get done. Roads, schools, bridges, etc. What most middle-class Americans are sick of goes deeper than paying taxes, it's seeing the money go to bail out the rich, the crooks, and big business that has become so profit-driven that any sense of fairness or morality went out the window decades ago. Regardless of what the banks, or the stock market, or the real estate market do, things wont get any better for us - the regular run-of-the-mill workers - until the huge loopholes the rich, and the companies who stomp on the American worker by offshoring their jobs, are jumping through in order to avoid paying their fair share. That's a sore spot in america that's grown to a huge bleeding ulcer. If it isn't treated soon, I think there will be problems in the US that will make higher taxes or corporate woes seem like less than nothing, and the 'little people' who are tired of being stepped on by corporate america will be the ones that start shutting down American big business (auto, wall street, banks, etc.) by no longer patronizing them. Not only won't we be able to afford to, but we won't want to, either.
Gee, and we thought with Bush out of office . . .
there would be no material for late-night comedians!! LOL Seriously, there is something so surreal about this man -- it's like watching a character is a spoof film!
I was hoping to get the shrub out of office...nm
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You now understand why Obama is in office, right?
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This mentality got Obama into office....
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No. Your mentality got Obama into office.
People like you make me sick. You rant and rave but do nothing. All you do is create tempests in teapots and look where we are now? Superpower? Not any more. Why do you try to do something to make things better instead of complaining all the time. You remind me of my mother-in-law. Sad, very sad.
Sorry - "...will be running for office in 2012". SM
We must throw the current residents of Washington out of office, including this loony-left total disaster of a President, his cronies, and also the folks on the other side of the aisle who have become entrenched in power and have been no better in representing the middle-of-the-road Americans who by far constitute the majority in this country.
Let's CLEAN HOUSE!
Yeah, well, unfortunately, with Obama in office,
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Is it okay to show your patriotism at the office?
For one Arlington woman, the answer was "no" after she hung an American flag in her office just before the Memorial Day weekend.
Debbie McLucas is one of four hospital supervisors at Kindred Hospital in Mansfield. Last week, she hung a three-by-five foot American flag in the office she shares with the other supervisors.
When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. "I was just totally speechless. I was like, 'You're kidding me,'" McLucas said.
McLucas' husband and sons are former military men. Her daughter is currently serving in Iraq as a combat medic.
Stifling a cry, McLucas said, "I just wonder if all those young men and women over there are really doing this for nothing."
McLucas said the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa. McLucas said the supervisor took down Debbie's flag herself.
"The flag and the pole had been placed on the floor," McLucas said. But McLucas also said hospital higher ups had told her some patients' families and visitors had also complained.
"I was told it wouldn't matter if it was only one person," she said. "It would have to come down."
McLucas said hospital bosses told her as far as patriotism was concerned, the flag flying outside the hospital building would have to suffice.
Kindred Hospital Corporate Headquarters are located in Kentucky. They have yet to make a final decision on the matter. They have not returned our phone calls for comment.
The Kindred Hospital Corporation was chosen as Fortune's most admired for 2009. McLucas hopes they'll back her patriotism.
"I find it very frightening because if I can't display my flag, what other freedoms will I lose before all is said and done," McLucas asked.
Obama is only 5 months in office! I think
he has done MORE good than not so good, ESPECIALLY regarding FORGEIN politics, in this short time.
Maybe the ones who cannot stop criticizing Obama do not even realize how smart and diplomatic Obama is.
For example, regarding the election protests in Iran: Obama is cool, and observing, as he does not want to 'mingle in', NOT YET, whereas McCain immediately stated, as he is a 'hothead' that Obama is not tough enough, not doing enough and he should respond more fiercely! WRONG ! What good can come out of this when Khatemi and the cleric council agreed to recount the votes? Isn't this what US was always accused of? Intermingling in everything, and this too early?
I am actually always AMAZED how uninformed a lot of people are when it comes to foreign politics and foreign countries in general.
Even on this forum I can count them on my fingers and some I can even name (username).
These are the ones who have an open mind, independent, tolerant, fair, just and are knowlegable.
Obama is only 5 months in office! I think
he has done MORE good than not so good, ESPECIALLY regarding FORGEIN politics, in this short time.
Maybe the ones who cannot stop criticizing Obama do not even realize how smart and diplomatic Obama is.
For example, regarding the election protests in Iran: Obama is cool, and observing, as he does not want to 'mingle in', NOT YET, whereas McCain immediately stated, as he is a 'hothead' that Obama is not tough enough, not doing enough and he should respond more fiercely! WRONG ! What good can come out of this when Khatemi and the cleric council agreed to recount the votes? Isn't this what US was always accused of? Intermingling in everything, and this too early?
I am actually always AMAZED how uninformed a lot of people are when it comes to foreign politics and foreign countries in general.
Even on this forum I can count them on my fingers and some I can even name (username).
These are the ones who have an open mind, independent, tolerant, fair, just and are knowlegable.
FBI Examines Computers in Cheney's Office
FBI Examines Computers in Cheney's Office
By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer
Thursday, October 6, 2005
(10-06) 23:36 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) --
FBI agents examined computers in Vice President Dick Cheney's office and talked to former and current White House aides Thursday as they investigated an FBI intelligence analyst accused of passing classified information to Filipino officials.
Meantime, former Philippine President Joseph Estrada acknowledged receiving an internal U.S. government report on the Philippines from the analyst, Leandro Aragoncillo, but played down the importance of the information, comparing it to material aired in his country's media.
The FBI is looking at whether Aragoncillo, a former Marine, took classified information about the Philippines from the White House when he worked for Vice Presidents Al Gore and Cheney from 1999 to 2002.
The type of information has not been disclosed. Though Aragoncillo had top-secret clearance, that status would not have made him privy to highly sensitive intelligence.
Aragoncillo, a U.S. citizen originally from the Philippines, was charged last month with providing classified information from his FBI posting at Fort Monmouth, N.J., to former and current Philippine officials who oppose President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo. Philippine Justice Secretary Raul Gonzales said the criminal complaint against Aragoncillo suggests the information could have been intended to destabilize the Philippine government.
Michael Ray Aquino, a former top Philippine police official who acted as Aragoncillo's alleged go-between, was indicted by a Newark, N.J., federal grand jury Thursday on charges of conspiracy and acting as an unregistered foreign agent. Aragoncillo, 46, of Woodbury, N.J., and Aquino, 39, living in Queens, N.Y., have been jailed since their arrests last month.
Federal prosecutors in Newark did not seek an indictment against Aragoncillo because he is negotiating a plea, court records show.
Aquino lawyer Mark A. Berman said his client rejected a plea deal.
There's a fundamental difference between Aragoncillo and Aquino, Berman said. Aquino is not an FBI agent and had no reason to know that the information the government laid out in the indictment was classified.
While the criminal complaint is limited to Aragoncillo's time at Fort Monmouth the investigation has widened to include his stint, while a Marine, in the vice president's office. Agents examined computers and interviewed current and former vice presidential aides Thursday, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.
FBI spokesman Rich Kolko would not confirm details of the investigation, but he said, In the course of a logical investigation, the FBI will research the subject's entire career for whenever he had access to classified or sensitive information to see whether any illegal or improper activity took place.
Meantime, Estrada said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press in the Philippines that he received documents from Aragoncillo but that he did not think they contained classified information.
He was just describing how America sees the Philippines, Estrada said. I don't think that is classified. It pertains to graft and corruption, the first gentleman (Arroyo's husband).
Estrada said he met Aragoncillo during his state visit to Washington in 2000 and received about six reports from him.
He compared what Aragoncillo did with reports diplomats send back home. I don't think that's espionage, he said.
He's a kind person, the former president said of Aragoncillo. He's a good family man. He has two children.
Estrada said Aragoncillo communicated with him by mail and also spoke with him on his birthday, but he didn't say when. Estrada was toppled in massive street protests in 2001 on charges of corruption and is under house arrests while on trial.
A Philippine opposition senator has acknowledged receiving information from Aquino. Sen. Panfilo Lacson, a former national police chief under whom Aquino served, said he and many others received information passed by Aquino, but he played down the value of the reports, describing them as shallow information.
White House and Justice Department officials declined to comment on the investigation.
Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., a former federal prosecutor who handled an FBI spy case, said the Aragoncillo case raises questions about easy access to classified materials and how long the naturalized U.S. citizen was able to pass on sensitive information before he was stopped.
If the complaint is accurate, there is a wealth of evidence which makes it all the more surprising he went undiscovered as long as he did, because it was not a very sophisticated operation, Schiff said.
Aragoncillo was hired to work at Fort Monmouth in July 2004 and began sending classified information and documents in January, often via e-mail, according to an FBI complaint made public last month. The documents' contents have not been made public.
From May to Aug. 15 of this year, he printed or downloaded 101 classified documents relating to the Philippines, of which 37 were classified secret, according to the criminal complaint.
He sent some of the material to Aquino, the complaint said.
Aragoncillo's public defender, Chester M. Keller, declined to say if his client was cooperating with investigators. It's just too sensitive right now, Keller said.
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Associated Press reporter Jim Gomez in Manila and Jeffrey Gold in Newark, N.J., contributed to this report.
The right did not have the same venom for Saddam when Clinton was in office...sm
You should read back through some old quotes from the right when Clinton was in office. Some of the big hitters on Cap. Hill now didn't even agree with the air strikes. Go figure.
I work in an office. Liberals are the most obnoxious
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Post Office, Social Security
Veterans Health care.
It is at the advice of the office of the attorney general...
of the state of Alaska. It has turned into a political hatchet job. Just a scant few months ago, Hollis French (running the "investigative" committee) said that the governor's office was cooperating and no subpoenas were necessary. Then, when she was picked as the VP candidate and Obama folks descended on Alaska...all of a sudden the "investigation" grew (and the pictures of Obama and Hollis French and the other key democrat on this committee yucking it up surfaced). It has come to light that the investigator they hired is a personal friend of the man he is investigating. No bias there, right? Now that the attorney general is involved, politics can be removed from this and it can be brought to a result, whatever that result is.
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Flew right past that basic right, eh?
Now son of a Democratic congressman being investigated for hacking her personal email. Wondering how THAT will turn out.
He was advised to do so by the attorney general's office...
of the state of Alaska. Actually, the letter came from the attorney general to the committee, stating that no one would be responding to the subpoenas pending their investigation. No one "scoffed" at subpoenas.
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