If it weren't for uninformed voters, Obama wouldn't have a chance.
Posted By: sm on 2008-10-12
In Reply to: You know what frightens me? s/m - gourdpainter
Did you happen to catch John Stossel's report on 20/20 last night?
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If it weren't for uninformed voters
NEITHER candidate would have a chance.
VOTING BY WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS!!!!!!!!!
Uninformed Obama voters....brought to you by the biased media...sm
Unfortunately, I know a lot of people who voted for Obama, several of my relatives included....and they don't know even half of the answers to these questions either. They believe exactly what the media tells them to believe (or not to believe....)
if it weren't for double standards, liberals wouldn't have any standards at all!
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Obama has played the voters for fools...
http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-has-played-voters-for-fools.html
To think that conservatives have viewed Bill and Hillary Clinton as unethical politicians who would do anything to get elected. When we are as disgusted as we think we possibly can be, on to the political stage steps Barack Obama. The senator from Illinois makes Bill and Hillary look “not quite so bad”.
Though they enjoyed paling around with Yasser Arafat, we didn’t have the all-consuming fear that they would completely sell-out Israel, nor did we have to worry about them supporting infanticide, though they saw nothing wrong with partial-birth abortion.
Yes, Obama keeps his pants on when away from his “bitter-half,“ Michelle, but that’s not much comfort when he has campaigned for Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga who made a pact with Kenyan Muslims to institute Sharia law.
http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-funds-odinga-who-promises-sharia.html
Thomas Sowell has written an article in National Review describing how Obama has played the American people for fools.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTQ5YTM3M2UzMjY3N2M3YWRiMDI0NzNmMTNhNjJlNTc=
“Although Senator Barack Obama has been allied with a succession of far-Left individuals over the years, that is only half the story. There are, after all, some honest and decent people on the Left. But these have not been the ones that Obama has been allied with — allied, not merely ‘associated’ with.
ACORN is not just an organization on the left. In addition to the voter frauds that ACORN has been involved in over the years, it is an organization with a history of thuggery, including going to bankers’ homes to harass them and their families, in order to force banks to lend to people with low credit ratings.
Nor was Barack Obama’s relationship with ACORN just a matter of once being their attorney long ago. More recently, he has directed hundreds of thousands of dollars their way. Money talks — and what it says is more important than a politician’s rhetoric in an election year.
Jeremiah Wright and Michael Pfleger are not just people with left-wing opinions. They are reckless demagogues preaching hatred of the lowest sort — and both are recipients of money from Obama.
Bill Ayers is not just ‘an education professor’ who has some left-wing views. He is a confessed and unrepentant terrorist, who more recently has put his message of resentment into the schools — an effort using money from a foundation that Obama headed.
Nor has the help all been one way. During the last debate between John McCain and Barack Obama, Senator McCain mentioned that Sen. Obama’s political campaign began in Bill Ayers’s home. Obama immediately denied it and McCain had no real follow-up.
It was not this year’s political campaign that Obama began in Bill Ayers’s home but an earlier campaign for the Illinois state legislature. Barack Obama can match Bill Clinton in slickness at parsing words to evade accusations.
That is one way to get to the White House. But slickness with words is not going to help a president deal with either domestic economic crises or the looming dangers of a nuclear Iran.
People who think that talking points on this or that problem constitute ‘the real issues’ that we should be talking about, instead of Obama’s track record, ignore a very fundamental fact about representative government.
Representative government exists, in the first place, because we the voters cannot possibly have all the information necessary to make rational decisions on all the things that the government does. We cannot rule through polls or referendums. We must trust someone to represent us, especially as President of the United States.
Once we recognize this basic fact of representative government, then the question of how trustworthy a candidate is becomes a more urgent question than any of the so-called ‘real issues.’
A candidate who spends two decades promoting polarization and then runs as a healer and uniter, rather than a divider, forfeits all trust by that fact alone.
If Ronald Reagan had attempted to run for president of the United States as a liberal, the media would have been all over him. His support for Barry Goldwater would have been in the headlines and in editorial denunciations across the country.
No way would he have been able to get away with using soothing words to suggest that he and Barry Goldwater were like ships that passed in the night.
If Barack Obama had run as what he has always been, rather than as what he has never been, then we could simply cast our votes based on whether or not we agree with what he has always stood for.
Some people take solace from the fact that Senator Obama has verbally shifted position on some issues, like drilling for oil or gun control, since this is supposed to show that he is ‘pragmatic’ rather than ideological.
But political zigzags show no such moderation as some seem to assume. Lenin zigzagged and so did Hitler. Zigzags may show no more than that someone is playing the public for fools.
Some people who see the fraud in what Obama is saying are amazed that others do not. But Obama knows what con men have long known, that their job is not to convince skeptics but to enable the gullible to continue to believe what they want to believe. He does that very well.”
Right on, brother! Right on! It’s refreshing to see a black conservative who stands on principle and doesn’t support Obama just because of his dark pigment. I’m speaking of you, General Powell.
No, Obama voters will be stomping and kicking
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I think Obama will ask his voters to vote for who he wants in; I hope not though! nm
Young Voters Fall for Obama’s Promises Without Any Historical Perspective..sm
Election 2008: Young Voters Fall for Obama’s Promises Without Any Historical Perspective
By Liz Peek
Financial Columnist
Today we will almost surely elect Barack Obama President of the United States. A new generation will vote for Mr. Obama –- a generation that has grown up with the Internet. This new crop of voters has access to more information than any that came before, and yet has swallowed Obama’s impossible campaign promises and contradictory policies just as trustingly as those who in earlier times looked for a chicken in every pot.
Welcome to the disillusionment of another generation. I don’t anticipate this inevitable consequence of today’s election with any glee, believe me. To see young people turning out in droves to vote for this eloquent, attractive young man is inspiring. To hear them buy into his promises, though, is sobering.
For instance, we are told that the image of the United States has suffered mightily under George Bush, and that Obama is going to usher in a veritable global love-fest. Would those falling over themselves to herald our new president include the peoples of South Korea and Colombia –- allies both — whose much-needed free trade agreements with the U.S. Obama has opposed?
How about our neighbors in Canada or Mexico; will Obama’s promised re-write of NAFTA endear them to the U.S.? Is it possible that Obama’s opposition to free trade demonstrates his gratitude to labor unions –- groups that aroused his ire by donating to the Clinton and Edwards campaigns but suddenly were much more warmly welcomed when they began shifting funds his way?
Over a year ago I wrote a tongue-in-cheek column defending the status quo against the pressing demand for “Change” writ large. While politicians of all stripes were heralding new directions, they were ignoring, for example, that the U.S. has been blessed for many years with low inflation. Voters in their 30s and 40s could not be expected to remember the devastating inflation of the 1970s. They couldn’t be expected to understand how double-digit price hikes threw the fear of God into retirees on fixed incomes and created the same kind of paralysis in lending that we are witnessing today.
They might not connect the dots between Obama’s enthusiasm for the Employee Free Choice Act, a resurgence of unionization, and wage-driven inflation. They might not realize that restricting trade with China, re-writing NAFTA and barring adoption of free trade agreements with Colombia and South Korea will indeed drive prices higher.
The United States has also enjoyed a period of stable employment. The new generation has never seen serious unemployment. True, they have witnessed shifts in employment as manufacturing jobs have been lost to lower-priced locales. But they have never seen unemployment rates go much above 6%, where it is now. In 1982, when unemployment reached 9.7%, Obama was 21 years old. I doubt he was much focused on the dismal state of the economy. Voters, however, were focused, and gave Ronald Reagan a mandate to set the country on a new course –- one which encouraged growth through lower taxes, expanded trade and deregulation.
That program was adopted by both Democrats and Republicans because it worked. People in their thirties and forties cannot imagine that raising taxes on successful people might harm the economy. That’s because they weren’t around to witness the exodus of talent from England –- a country wherein punitive marginal tax rates squashed incentives and drove out anyone who could locate elsewhere. Margaret Thatcher didn’t just join the Reagan Revolution –- she clung to it for dear life.
What young voters have seen, and have responded to, is the collapse of Wall Street. Because bankers, politicians and speculators conspired to create the worst investment bubble in modern times, we are about to abandon the policies that brought millions of people around the world into the middle class. Policies that gave people real hope –- not just its rhetorical facsimile. This is a tragedy.
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/11/04/lpeek_1104/#more-2415
Well you wouldn't want Obama then, right????
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You wouldn't vote for OBAMA if he walked on water.
It is senseless to talk with far right wingers. It is like talking to a rock. I blame this on the dismal education provided to the U.S. citizens for the last 20 years. Of all the unions, the teacher's union appears to be the strongest, allowing mediocre teachers to remain in their positions regardless of the obvious lack of effective teaching skills.
Bad educations, heavily indebted and unhealthy citizens make poor voters. They become SHEOPLE rather than independent voters. Wave a bible in front of them and the work PROLIFE and they'd vote for a train hopping hobo.
obama won...he wouldn't really because people won't really vote for black and lie to polls
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Just because you're uninformed
about what your government is doing doesn't mean I made it up. 
Go educate yourself. I used to be uninformed too,
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Are you dyslexic or just uninformed?
Perhaps you need to look past your own holier-than-thou ego to see the truth.
Calling Israel 'the new kid on the block' is insulting and shows your extreme prejudice against Jews. Shame on you!!!!!!!
Do you have any knowledge of acdtual HISTORY, or do you just rely on Wikipedia for your vast knowledge of the world? Have you ever bothered to RESEARCH for yourself, or is Google your God? You're a prime example of today's "artificial intelligence." You think you've got all the answers. Give me a break, kid.
First, get off your high horse. Second, my ancestors have been in Eretz Yisrael since the beginning of time. Before the Romans, before the Christians, and before the Palestinian squatters you seem to love so much.
There have been MANY, MANY waves of Jewish resettlement in Israel. Israel was NOT born from the Partition Plan. Sorry to burst your bubble.
And, by the way, when Jerusalem was dubbed an international city, and the UN got to have jursdiction, WE agreed. But the Arabs couldn't deal with the concept of peace and declared all-out war. When we claimed our independence, it was the Arabs who, once again, couldn't conceive of PEACE in the region, who invaded US!
The bloody Palestinians never relented in their attacks. They don't want us to exist. Guess what. The feeling's mutual.
I'm not wasting a single tear on dead Palestinians. They sure as he__ wouldn't waste one on you.
But if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to root for barbarous terrorits, by all means, go ahead. I'm sure they appreciate your support. (Yeah, right.)
You won't be anymore uninformed than he will....he
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Only if you're totally uninformed.
Let's get one thing straight. Being informed about history and seeing it with a clear eye has nothing to do with "hating America." I love America, I was born here, it's my homeland and I will take up arms against any invader who sets foot here. But America is in danger now - and has been for decades - by a different kind of enemy and if you don't know that then you have no idea what people are talking about when they protest vigorously against that enemy. So, it seems "unbelievable" to you.
The actions of men and women with objectionable agendas, who start wars for the sake of profit and power and ultimately better control over you, have NOTHING to do with the constitutional ideas that make this a great nation. The individual heroism, sacrifice and bravery of our armed forces is just beyond question. The selfish and evil plotting that goes on behind closed doors to send those individual heroes to their deaths is likewise beyond question. One thing they must do to make us willing to go to our deaths is define and demonize the enemy, make us think we are in imminent danger of attack and put out the call to defend the homeland against the evildoers. Sound familiar? All of the wars of the 19th and 20th centuries followed this script to one degree or another. Behind the scenes the warmakers let nothing as silly as "American ideals" interfere with the business of making money, collaborating with the enemy and claiming the natural resources of other peoples'lands. If you can't see their objectives clearly you aren't looking for them and if you're buying their propaganda, I assure you, they love you a lot. Now give them your money and send your children off to die for another great financial quarter, and don't expect anything in return.
This is nothing new, "leaders" have been doing this to their populations forever. That does not mean the populations, and some of their representatives, and their countries and constitutions are to blame - but there is always a struggle in the population between those who believe the nice fairy tales and those who don't. The truly evil ones like this, and they do all they can to keep the people fractured and squabbling. Otherwise, a united people is a specific danger to them and their agendas, as you can certainly understand. They don't make their money and their empires without our consent. That's just a plain fact.
America at its heart *is* an empire, a good one with the potential to shed light across the globe - but they are taking it away from us. You should be more concerned about that than you are about dissing me. That 800-pound gorilla is standing right behind you and I'm only pointing at it.
You are one frightening and uninformed person.
Socialism has never worked. Socialism is as close to communism as you can get. WHERE do you get your information?!!!
Only an uninformed person would still think he's Muslim.
sheesh
What dribble and so uninformed, he isn't taking money from small businesses, geez.
Common sense should tell you he is not saying he is taking the money from small business to give to the the middle class.
he is saying he wants to tax fairly the wealthy (businesses over 250,000) and probably take some of the loop holes away. Lower the middle class taxes (if there is one anymore) so we can breathe. Former statesmen have said it is dangerous to put all the money in so few hands, it develops corruption. Don't just read the headlines, read between, on top, in depth, etc. McCain jumped on that statement to win votes. He is wealthy, what makes you think he understands you? The reason our jobs are going overseas is the present adminstration has given all these corporations tax breaks to do so - saying it builds global democracy - it didn't work, it just made the corporations richer). i don't care who you vote for but Ms. Piggy would be better than McCain and dum, DE dum dum.
Yet we get on this board and moan and whine about not getting paid enough and companies are spening millions buying other transcription companies over our backs you think taxing them fairly is socialism.
I am through with this board, it is sad so many want 4 more years of the same. Keep working for pennies while benefits are taken from you, lines per are decreased. Do you think getting less for voice is fair when it takes almost the same amount of time to do it and make half? Do you think the company is taking that much of a hit? Yet they are forcing it so it most be a benefit to them. They are laughing all the way to the bank while you eat the feathers.
you weren't there - you don't know
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Where were all the voters before?
Good point. I vote in every election, whether it be for president or town dog catcher. It is really pathetic to see the low turnout time after time unless it is the presidential election or a tax overide on the ballot. And I live in a town with a majority of senior citizens, can't imagine how low the turnout would be without them.
When my Dad was alive and we lived in the same town, he would check the list when you first signed in to make sure our names were crossed off indicating that we had voted. Look out if you had not. He was a big bad Boston police officer and you did not want to cross him!
It also comes down to those voters
who had no clue what they were voting for and did no research at all and just voted for the celeb candidate. How many people did interviewers stop and question about Obama and McCain and they had no clue who was for what or who their VPs were, etc......but they were voting for Obama.
I know that all people have a right to vote but I think sometimes we should really restrict that. LOL! Too may ignorant people not knowing who they are voting for but they are voting just to vote.
All voters should consider this regardless of which side
It should be very troubling that the mainstream media has been in the tank for Obama since day one. Ask Hillary Clinton or anyone else who ran (again, R, D, or I).
With that in mind, who gave them the right to choose our next President?
Incidentally, the media (left-wing, of course) actually selected McCain, too. They were absolutely certain that he would be the weakest candidate. Mitt scared the holy hanna out of them. I personally hoped for a Rudy-Fred ticket, in no particular order.
It should be interesting as to how many honest people there are reading this stuff to see how they'll react. Based on what I've read since Palin's speech, she's certainly changed quite a few minds.
The thing that surprises me the most is that the bulk of people on this board is women, yet so many of them put party above the person. I personally don't vote by genitalia. I think it's foolish.
And I never said you weren't entitled!
Give me a break! You have religious freedom. I never said you didn't!
First off, weren't there tapes by OBL after 9/11
I thought that's how they knew who it was. I guess I recall the events surrounding 9/11 a little differently. Second off, I agree there's a good possibility he's already dead, but even so, let's be certain. Also, he's surely designated followers to carry out any other plans he had, so dead or not, we need to keep searching and hopefully take down as many of his right-hand men as possible along the way. Finally, OBL is already on the FBI Most Wanted list for murder for the 1998 bombings and as suspect in many others.
You said it. Glad we weren't the only ones.
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tell that to the voters who are only voting for O
I know you weren't attacking me....
I was just telling you why I thought what I thought. sorry if I sounded defensive, didn't mean to be. :)
There were thousands of voters........ sm
who voted in this election who were not informed or educated on the issues or the candidates. I don't see much of a difference, do you?
No - they weren't facts.......
Twisted spin that fools no one but yourself. You try to pass your drivel off as facts, but, well, I'll let them speak for themselves.
okay, that means they weren't......
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So, you weren't exactly being honest.
If your husband is sitting at home buying and selling stocks for your own portfolio, he does not "work" in stocks/trading. I am not assuming anything, I am just going by what you say, which apparently is not true.
It seems that you are the one who is assuming much more about what I am thinking than I have actually said. I thin it's time you visit the "real world."
HOW do YOU know that they weren't tortured?
Did you speak with them and they told you so?
Some were tortured, although innocent, this surely did not make them change their mind.
I defend the innocent ones.
If you weren't so unhinged and WRONG
that post would anger me. Your ignorance only goes to show why you extreme leftists are ruining the democratic party. I actually feel sorry for the good level headed democrats who have to put with the hateful deluded people like you.
Okay if you weren't shooting me the bird
then what were you trying to tell me oh and high and mighty one?
You consider *it would be so nice if you weren't here* an attack? sm
Wow.
Excuse me, but I thought we weren't... sm
Supposed to cut and paste large things like this because it takes up too much bandwidth? I thought we were supposed to provide the link to a website instead.
American voters do not trust
the fact that this is a real "crisis". Don't want to allow Bush to force congress into another debacle like the funding for the war before he is dragged from the WH kicking and screaming. McCain is asking for time out so he can rest and catch his breath.
the voters don't decide the election- sm
Perhaps you forgot, or don't even know, that it isn't the voters who actually decide the election anyway. It is the electoral college. We could all boycott (although that would be stupid beyond belief as our voices would not be heard at all) and it would not affect the election results anyway. Get it??
Au contraire. Would't be asking if I weren't interested.
wanna help me out here?
Too bad that over half the voters disagree with you.
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There are a lot of voters across America who make
$250,000 or more who are voting for Obama. These are the same folks who will pay more taxes under Obama's tax plan. It goes to show even the wealthy who will be taxed more by Obama's tax plan, still want him to be President. I hear JTP complain but he is not making much money and he owes back taxes. There must be something right about Obama if the wealthy who are going to get a tax increase, are voting for him.
Of course they did. But at issue here is showing voters
I did not call you an imbecile. I said your posts are imbecilic. Being a hot-headed Obama supporter, according to the red camp, I have no character to degrade, so evidently I have nothing to lose by calling it like I see it. BTW, I've probably done all the growing I'm gonna do by age 64.
Belittling intelligent voters
just end up making you and yours look very, very small. It is sad to see the other party's apparent complusion to tear down something they cannot quite understand. Better luck next time with your candidate, your campaign strategy and your capacity to muster up the hope and inspiration so many Americans are feeling today. Maybe you too can find a way to feel a bit more proud of who you are and who seeks to represent you.
Speaking of stupid voters....(sm)
http://www.break.com/index/redneck-woman-rails-on-obama.html
stupid voters are an embarrassment to all of us huh!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUC3ORbhjTg
They weren't 'LET OFF THE HOOK"
For starters, Obama did not dismiss these charges, Susan Crawford, described as a TOP LEGAL AUTHORITY for military trials did. Obama orders were to simply FREEZE the court proceedings (hello) PENDING the results of ongoing reviews of Gitmo operations.
Crawford's dedcision seems perfectly appropriate to me since dismissing the charges (ahem) WITHOUT PREJUDICE means he can be charged again once the results of the reviews are in, ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that Abd Al-Rahim will remain in custody.
It looks as though you weren't really paying attention...
He said the same thing over and over. Withdraw troops from Iraq and put more boots on the ground in Afghanistan..........how could you have missed THAT? Selective hearing? Selective posting, too, I guess.
If they weren't qualified - how did they get the loans?
Get real. When I bought my house it took MONTHS to prove my income, the down payment had to sit in my banking account for months, the bank found an old unpaid hospital bill (I was unaware of) that was 10 years old that I had to prove I had insurance at the time and either the hospital screwed up or the insurance company never paid - I almost did not get the loan because of this! So, how do all of these unqualified people, irresponsible people, get home loans when they are so woefully unqualified? Because the lenders didn't give a rats whether or not the person could pay it back. They were boxing these loans together and selling them as securities. Did YOU ever buy a house? Did YOU have to jump through hoops? I sure did and I still have the house. So smoke that!
What makes you so sure they WEREN'T terrorists?
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Weren't you the one crying and whining
about how dare CA take away the rights they had given to gay people and how it shouldn't have been voted on and blah blah blah. You even brought up women's right to vote and how about we overturn that....blah blah blah. Now you want to take away the benefits that marriage has always had just because gay people want everything equal. I do believe that you were one of the ones that said it wasn't fair for gays to have to settle for civil unions and how dare I suggest such a thing.
Honestly....I'd agree to this just to shut you people up because I'm so sick to death of hearing about gay rights and poor gay people.....blah blah blah. Once again....I guess the Bible thumpers that you hate so much will do the compromising and once again give up something of ours to make you happy. Feel better now?
Any chance you could get down here
next Sept. 20-21? If you could I promise you a position in the judge's tent for the Dutch oven cook-off judging. Each cook makes 3 D. O. dishes, bread, main dish and dessert. There are usually around 15 teams entered. You'd love it.
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