If business taxes are increased, guess who they pass the increase down to??
Posted By: tomkat on 2008-10-21
In Reply to: So, rich tax cuts expire, middle class gets benefit, - and it's socialist Armageddon that...sm
And guess who they'll be laying off??
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I actually would not mind having my taxes increased some if (sm)
I knew it was truly going to help people who need help. I like some of Obama's ideas and was originally very pro-Obama, but there are some things about him I cannot accept. There are things I don't like about McCain as well, but they are not complete deal-breakers for me compared to the issues I have with Obama. At this point I am voting for McCain strictly as a vote against Obama. Wish Biden was running for president actually.
The problem is that she was able to increase the taxes...sm
on oil leaving Alaska and give each Alaskan a hefty rebate. Now tell me, do you think those people that benefited are going to complain about a few airplane tickets?
So how he can still be Senator then. Don't they have to pass an FBI check? Guess not.
So what other Senators, Congressmen and woman, legislators, etc have past associations out there??? why are they allowed to serve in our government. Do not get it.
I thought that the increased
taxation on cigarettes was to pay for the healthcare for children. I am not a smoker so taxing cigarettes doesn't really matter to me. I agree that there are many other things that people do that are unhealthy like eating Big Macs and getting the large fries at McD's. However, me eating a Big Mac doesn't hurt the person sitting next to me. Someone's cigarette smoke does. So there is a bit of a difference there.
My problem with this is that this taxation was to fund healthcare for children and if people can't afford to smoke and more people start to quit (which would be great) how in the heck is the government going to pay for this healthcare for children?
I watched my dad die a slow painful death from years of smoking and I have had 15+ years breathing in secondhand smoke and I just cannot stand smoking. To me....anything that will get people to cut back on smoking....is fine with me. That is just less secondhand smoke that I have to be exposed to. Smokers just have no idea how much their second hand smoke really bothers and harms others...even if you are outside. I once was next to another car waiting for the light to change and my car was suddenly filled with the smell of cigarettes. I looked over and the person in the car next to me was smoking a cigarette. I really have no sympathy for smokers.......sorry.
In fact, the number of labs increased after Palin became mayor nm
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An increase of 3% -
An increase of 3% on taxes of $250,000 will only amount to $7500 a year. Minimum wage is what, $6 an hour? That would be $12,480 a year if you worked full time. A business would only have to lose 1 full-time person for not even 6 months to save that money.
I am not saying it is okay to lose that one person. I am saying I think a business making $250,000 a year and above can absorb another $7500 in costs without going bankrupt or else they will just find another tax loophole to keep from paying that money.
there has been an increase the last sm
two years. there is some kind of increase every year. There just won't be an increase for the next three years.
That being said, I think its a disgrace that the feds even touch the SS benefits of the elderly and disabled. As for medicare....medicare is a joke! If you don't have a supplement to go with it you are in big trouble. There are no caps on what comes out of your pocket like on group insurance and you can wind up losing everything you have worked for your whole life if you don't have a medical supplement to pick up what medicare doesn't pay.
Just because someone gets SS doesn't mean their houses are paid for! There are millions who get medicare disability and they don't have their homes paid for and most don't even have homes!
Im sorry that the economy is bad, jobs are scarce, etc but there is absolutely no cause to touch SS benefits. Why don't some of the Washington politicians take a pay cut? They don't pay into SS so they won't ever have to live on it. If they did, they would rethink how they handle it.
They need to leave SS alone and stop the pork spending on other things. The current administration is a joke with their spending. They are up there printing money like nobody's business. If you and I did that we would be in jail!
One thing Bush did is increase
to $100,000 each.
Maybe if he spent more money on protective armor and less money on free health care for all IRAQIS, there might not be the need to pay out so many $100,000 policies.
Our soldiers obviously hold no value to Bush unless they're DEAD.
And every single point you mentioned in your post is right on target!
Keep this up and your doctor appointments will increase - sm
There are so many ways to cut food costs and eat healthy.
Cook, repeat cook oatmeal for breakfast. Eggs anyway
One pound of ground turkey, chopped onion sauteed, mix with 1-2 cans of diced tomatoes, 1-2 cans of beans (pinto, black, etc.) seasonings like cumin, chili, etc. serve over brown rice that you cook - or over a small pasta, or in a tortlla.
Soup - homemade - diced tomatoes, onion, celery, carrots, any type of beans, frozen cut okra, etc. add water and seasonings - add Butterball smoked turkey sausage cut into half slices
I make a pot of soup every week and eat until gone, then a new one.
I also cook my beans from dry - very inexpensive and very nutritious
Hope you think this is helpful for that is what I want to be. Your present eating program is soooo unhealthy. I would be glad to share any of my other low-cost recpies with you.
Best wishes.
Largest tax increase in HISTORY and you think it
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Kenya has no business in the business of the U.S.
I may be an idjit myself and I am certainly the most cynical of the cynical. While I'm about it, I think Obama's mom was a bit of an idjit for making the decisions she made in life but I guess that was her business.
As for GWB, he certainly does deserve some discussion. Like why did he not straight away pardon those 2 border patrol agents who were the target of the worst miscarriage of justice I have personally ever seen? Could there be something synister there? I think so.
I am most certainly NOT a liberal and by the heart of conservatives, I am NOT a conservative either. I do agree with them (if they really believe it) that abortion and gay marriage are wrong. HOWEVER, my opinion being stated, I believe those are moral issues and as such belong to God and not the government. I also do not believe God requires my assistance in passing judgement on them.
Soooo....with all the problems we were facing, t here are many more important issues than Obama's birth certificate. I drug my feet in voting for Obama but I do have a glimmer of hope that he is working to at least get some plan in place for the day he is inaugerated. Everyone deserves a chance. The American people have spoken so it's time to put this b/c nonissue to rest and get to the business of importance...like millions of people projected to be unemployed and the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, which if something isn't done and soon we are headed for the worst times most of you have ever seen and you'll have enough to worry about just wondering how you're going to put food on the table.
Obama Secretly Trying To Increase Unemployment
Rep. Pete Sessions, head of the House Republican committee tasked with electing more GOP members, has a unique theory as to why unemployment continues to rise: Obama wants to wipe out capitalism.
Deep into a New York Times item Monday about rising jobless numbers comes a theory that the Times gently refers to as an "argument" that "may indeed face an uphill fight."
Sessions told the Times that Obama's plan is to "diminish employment and diminish stock prices." By doing so, Obama "intended to inflict damage and hardship on the free enterprise system, if not to kill it" as part of a "divide and conquer" strategy to consolidate power.
The Times then follows with another understated gem: "Polls offer little evidence that Americans are prepared to accept those arguments."
So is Obama part of some communist sleeper cell intent on destroying America? For Sessions, it's nothing new to think of politics in terrorist terms -- only in the past Sessions has argued that the Republican Party ought to emulate terrorists, not that Obama already does.
The GOP, Sessions famously argued in February, ought to model its "insurgency" after the Taliban. "Insurgency, we understand perhaps a little bit more because of the Taliban," he said.
"And that is that they went about systematically understanding how to disrupt and change a person's entire processes. And these Taliban -- I'm not trying to say the Republican Party is the Taliban. No, that's not what we're saying. I'm saying an example of how you go about is to change a person from their messaging to their operations to their frontline message.
And we need to understand that insurgency may be required when the other side, the House leadership, does not follow the same commands, which we entered the game with."
Asked to clarify if he was indeed suggesting House Republicans model themselves after the Taliban, he said: "I simply said one can see that there's a model out there for insurgency."
A Sessions spokesman didn't immediately return a call. An NRCC spokesman stood by the remark:
"The Chairman was simply reiterating what many members of the Democratic Party have echoed over the past several weeks, which is that one-party dominance in Washington has further damaged our economy and undercut our country's free enterprise system."
GOP-Run Senate Kills Minimum Wage Increase...sm
GOP-Run Senate Kills Minimum Wage Increase
Republican-controlled Senate derails proposed election-year increase in minimum wage
WASHINGTON, Jun. 22, 2006
By DAVID ESPO AP Special Correspondent
(AP)
(AP) The Republican-controlled Senate smothered a proposed election-year increase in the minimum wage Wednesday, rejecting Democratic claims that it was past time to boost the $5.15 hourly pay floor that has been in effect for nearly a decade.
The 52-46 vote was eight short of the 60 needed for approval under budget rules and came one day after House Republican leaders made clear they do not intend to allow a vote on the issue, fearing it might pass.
The Senate vote marked the ninth time since 1997 that Democrats there have proposed _ and Republicans have blocked _ a stand-alone increase in the minimum wage. The debate fell along predictable lines.
Americans believe that no one who works hard for a living should have to live in poverty. A job should lift you out of poverty, not keep you in it, said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass. He said a worker paid $5.15 an hour would earn $10,700 a year, almost $6,000 below the poverty line for a family of three.
Kennedy also said lawmakers' annual pay has risen by roughly $30,000 since the last increase in the minimum wage.
Republicans said a minimum wage increase would wind up hurting the low-wage workers that Democrats said they want to help.
For every increase you make in the minimum wage, you will cost some of them their jobs, said Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga.
He described the clash as a classic debate between two very different philosophies. One philosophy that believes in the marketplace, the competitive system ... and entrepreneurship. And secondly is the argument that says the government knows better and that topdown mandates work.
The measure drew the support of 43 Democrats, eight Republicans and one independent. Four of those eight Republicans are seeking re-election in the fall.
Democrats had conceded in advance that this attempt to raise the minimum wage would fare no better than their previous attempts. At the same time, they have made clear in recent days they hope to gain support in the coming midterm elections by stressing the issue. Organized labor supports the legislation, and Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., said that contrary to some impressions, most minimum wage workers are adults, not teenagers, and many of them are women.
When the Democrats control the Senate, one of the first pieces of legislation we'll see is an increase in the minimum wage, said Kennedy.
His proposal would have increased the minimum wage to $5.85 beginning 60 days after the legislation was enacted; to $6.55 one year later; and to $7.25 a year after that. He said inflation has eroded the value of the current $5.15 minimum wage by 20 percent.
With the help of a few rebellious Republicans, House Democrats on the House Appropriations Committee succeeded in attaching a minimum wage increase last week to legislation providing funding for federal social programs. Fearing that the House would pass the measure with the increase intact, the GOP leadership swiftly decided to sidetrack the entire bill.
I am opposed to it, and I think a vast majority of our (rank and file) is opposed to it, House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said Tuesday.
Pressed by reporters, he said, There are limits to my willingness to just throw anything out on the floor.
On Wednesday, his spokesman, Kevin Madden, said Boehner has told fellow Republicans the House will have to deal with this some way. He said no decisions had been made.
While Democrats depend on organized labor to win elections, Republicans are closely aligned with business interests that oppose any increase in the federal wage floor or would like changes in the current system.
Sen. Mike Enzi, R-Wyo., chairman of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, offered an alternative that proposed a minimum wage increase of $1.10 over 18 months, in two steps.
The increase was coupled with a variety of provisions offering regulatory or tax relief to small businesses, including one to exempt enterprises with less than $1 million in annual receipts from the federal wage and hour law entirely. The current exemption level is $500,000, and a Republican document noted the amount had lagged behind inflation.
Additionally, Republicans proposed a system of optional flextime for workers, a step that Enzi said would allow employees, at their discretion, to work more than 40 hours one week in exchange for more time off the next. Unions generally oppose such initiatives, and the Republican plan drew 45 votes, with 53 in opposition.
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Food for thought on Capital Gains increase
Anytime you sell anything, be it a home, car, truck, or anything at all that appreciates in value, do you realize the capital gains tax will affect your bottom line?
Say you buy a car for $200 and know it's worth $1200. If you turn around and sell that car for $1200, you're paying capital gains on the difference.
If the O raises the capital gains tax to 24-25% like he wants to, it will be your loss. Do you really want to pay another $250 in taxes on something you paid $200 for?
I sure don't.
I had heard about the tent cities, but never even thought about the increase in arsons. nm
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No one is asking for anyone to get a pass...sm
There is enough blame to go around, both dems and repubs, greed and dishonesty knows no party. The guilty should be held accountable, but that is not the immediate concern. Turning this around is so we all don't go down the tubes.
I believe it will come to pass....sm
The name for the NAU currency has already been chosen....the Amero.
In addition to the EU and the NAU, there is also the Africa Union which was formed in 2002 and the soon-to-be Asian Union. These unions will eventually form into a one-world government with NATO as its governing body. There will be a single currency as well.
I agree....sometimes I wish I were still blissfully ignorant of all the goings on in the world today, but then I would not be aware of what to watch for and how it would affect me and my family.
Or if none of that comes to pass,
hopefully you will come to realize that the repub fearmongers have been playing on you fears and you bought into it wholeheartedly.
This, too, will come to pass............ sm
but it won't be the religion that you are probably thinking it will be. Better be careful what you wish for.
And why would we thank him when it took 217 votes for this to pass?
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I will pass your senitments on to those...
I know who are serving. It will come as no surprise to them. At least you admit that you could care less if it hurts them or not...or worsens their plight or makes their jobs harder...which it does. I will tell them you are of the opinion they just need to pray the protesting works in their favor (and if you think a premature withdrawal, or cut and run, is in their favor that just proves you do not know the majority of the military and how they think), and they just need to suck it up and continue to fight and die to protect your right to tell them to suck it up and just keep on serving, if the war is something they believe strongly in. For you to say that the war is something they believe strongly in also proves that you know nothing about them. They are there because their country sent them there and they believe in the mission. George Bush alone did not send them, no matter how much global amnesia the Democrats want to try to have now. They believe in honor and duty. They believe in something bigger than themselves...they believe there are still things worth dying for...like your right to blythely from your warm safe home to tell them to suck it up, pray the protesting works for them and not against them, because it is more important for you to protest than it is for them to be safer. The least you could have done was a little thank you to go with the suck it up, though.
I know what they will say...they will say *you're welcome...anyway.*
Just a final thought...just WHO do you think cheers when they hear Americans in the street protesting? The ENEMY. Do you remember the scenes of Arabs taking to the streets in celebration when 9-11 happened? They watch us. Protesting in a public way is fodder for them to recruit. Read an article today saying they are using You Tube videos for recruitment. I bet several of the leading Democratic Pres contenders are stars. But if giving Al Qaeda little moral boosts is what floats the protestors' boats, by all means...grab the sign and head for the corner.
and I too had to pass on this info
http://share.triangle.com/node/13576
The questions remain :
What is Barack Husein Obama - a Senator from Illinois - doing when he is interacting with a violent rebel, muslim leader in Kenya who may have been responsible for the murder of dozens of innocent people burned to death simply because they took refuge in a church?
What is Barack Husein Obama doing when he interferes in the internal operations of a foreign nation like Kenya?
Are you going to let a well organized and well financed representative of a foreign government push his way any further into your national government?
How many more people have to die before Americans come to understand that Barack Husein Obama is not a product of the land of Lincoln?
Born in Hawaii he spent most of his life in the violent and backward nation of Indonesia – where not too long ago the Australians had to stop the Muslims from killing all the Christians in East Timor.
When will this blood soaked travesty of our national political system come to an end? When will the mocking smirk of our enemies be wiped from our television screens?
Change they want? With the gun? With the torch?
pass the doobie
It helps with appetite and is an analgesic. Stay home and smoke it. No harm done.
I'm sure something WILL pass -- eventually. -sm
It's just that this bill wasn't quite ready yet, and those voting on it today knew that.
Remember the old TV commercial where the kid asks, 'Is it soup, yet?" And for the bailout, the answer is still 'No, it's not soup yet.'
It'll pass just like it did in the 60s. n/m
He wouldn't pass the
security clearance for the secret service either for that matter. Would he even pass the clearance to be a local police officer?
If you agree with this pass it on. s/m
I'm sending it to my Senator and Congressman too as well as to Obama.
I was sent a newspaper clipping via e-mail, with a list of changes that, according to the actual author, most American people would very much like to see in our Government.
The actual author is Norma White of Amarillo. She is a retired network engineer for Southwestern Bell. I do not know which newspaper it came from, but after reading it, I would vote for her if she ever ran for Congress. I wanted to share them with you all.
The article's title is:
You Want Change? Try These Ideas.
1. Limit Congress from serving more than two terms. That is all that presidents are allowed.
2. Stop Congress from voting for their own raises. How did that ever get started?
3. Stop paying for lawmakers' high-priced insurance premiums. After all, they are only part-time employees. They might pass some law changes on the insurance companies, if they actually had to find one!
4. Stop paying lawmakers, or the president, their full salary after serving just one term, or when they leave office. We need to get rid of that pension plan; they've let other companies get rid of theirs. You were lucky to get 40 to 50 percent of your salary after working somewhere for 35 years, but they get 100 percent.
5. Make Congress pay into the Social Security system. They make laws for it. If they spent some of their own money, then they might be interested in making it solvent.
6. Stop handing out aid to illegal aliens. If we did, then Medicaid and the food stamp program would have enough money to aid the aged and the poor.
7. Secure our borders.
8. Stop allowing babies born to illegal aliens in the United States automatic U.S. citizenship.
9. Stop the abuse of our benevolent welfare system. We feed children free meals three times a day until they are 17. Churches give away good, clean clothes. Companies buy and donate school supplies. Emergency rooms provide health care at taxpayer expense and the food stamp program is buying food at home. What are parents doing for their children?
10. Have a computer program that cross checks Social Security numbers with finger prints to stop fraud on many fronts. Use it on voter registration too.
11. Stop bailing out mortgage companies and banks that give loans to people who cannot afford them.
12. Stop companies from paying CEOs and other executives outrageous salaries and bonuses while doing away with workers' pensions.
13. Stop all unnecessary spending so we will have the money for our nation's security, and to help needy and elderly Americans.
14. Stop permitting anyone to have a photo with their face covered on driver's licenses.
Unfortunately, no matter who won the presidency, they will not be able to make any of these changes.
Only members of Congress can do that, as they are the lawmakers.
I seriously doubt Congress is interested in changing anything, do you?
Pass the crow, please.......sm
After our rather heated debate tonight, I went off in search of answers to the questions of Obama's qualifications to be POTUS, and here is what I found.
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
US Code Title 8,1401 states the following as a qualification of a natural-born US citizen. (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html). This is the only qualification that Obama actually passes to qualify to be POTUS, but one is all that is needed as all the qualifications listed are exclusive of each other.
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
Since this does not specify a particular time frame in which the US citizen parent must live in the US prior to the birth of the child, it must be assumed that any one-year residency would satisfy the requirement.
Somehow crow for Thanksgiving dinner just isn't quite what I had in mind. Please make sure it is well done with lots of BBQ sauce. 
Most of the time I pass over it, but it is getting very old
There could be a bunch of names I call the other side - Clinton News Network, MS No News here, etc (cant think of a proper acronym for the NBC in MSNBC right now cos it's late), but I'm just getting sick of the name calling. You don't like the news then don't watch the channel, but until you point out fault with the liberal stations then its time to lay off the others.
Most of the time I pass over it, but it is getting very old
Thanks - just is irritating hearing the name calling all the time, especially from people (not just the OP but others) who find no fault whatsoever with Olbermann, Matthews, Maddow and all the other liberal gab boxes (they are not even news casters, they only spew their opinion). There could be a bunch of names I call the other side - Clinton News Network, MS No News here, etc (cant think of a proper acronym for the NBC in MSNBC right now cos it's late), but I'm just getting sick of the name calling. You don't like the news then don't watch the channel, but until you point out fault with the liberal stations then its time to lay off the others.
I'll pass on that one, thanks!
This was meant to be a joke right?
Right...please pass the ganja this way...
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Hey, I gave you a pass on
'most of the people there was'. Or was that intentional?
We don't usually rag on hurried typo errors because we have no spell check on this forum. But not bothering to look up a spelling or making a rookie grammatical error are both noteworthy.
Okay, give him a pass on the felony...
just like other Clintonites. Just an FYI, Laura Bush has worked with the Initiative to bring water to 10 million people in Africa. Imagine that. A BUSH. Part of the Initiative is also something that George Bush asked former President Clinton and his father former President Bush to work on...Katrina Relief. Imagine that...GEORGE BUSH'S idea. Say it ain't so. I'd like to know how much of Bill Clinton's own money is in his foundation. I would be REAL interested to know that. But, I digress. Yes, is foundation is doing good work, I don't deny that. He is not doing it alone and has worked with all three of the Bushes as part of it. So, let's please not act like he is the hero for the masses all by himself and George Bush has a black soul. The way Clinton used Monica Lewinsky and then threw her under the bus when he got caught, cheated on his wife and committed a felony while a sitting President...is much more indicative of soul problems than anything Bush has done. Let's be real here. As far as Bill Clinton trying to save the world...please. Bill Clinton is trying to save his legacy.
Merely an observation. I'll pass on this and
Sam is hateful because sam is hateful. Her posts speak for themselves.
I'll pass on the kool-aid (nm)
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Vote on the "Bailout" is going on now and not looking like it will pass.
They need 217 votes to pass, 207 FOR and 226 AGAINST and the time has run out on the clock. Dow has been ranging between -678 at one point to now -450. Not sure what is going to happen.
Vote DID NOT PASS. Just wondering
what happens next. I totally do not agree with what they want US (average person) to do. They need to go after the corporate crooks. Unbelievable. I think they tried to RUSH this package. No one knows what they are doing.
That's why it's good this didn't pass yet. - sm
People across the country have been letting their elected officials know that they want the crooks who are responsible for this mess to at least BEGIN the 'bailout' process by sacrificing their OWN wealth, before further sticking it to us. They made their bed, now they should have to sleep in it.
Also, I'm sure that if the average Joe Citizen gets stuck with the whole bill for this, then who exactly is going to remain in the stock market, 401K's, or ANYTHING, for that matter?
I'm tempted to pull everything out of my retirement account NOW, and invest it in some land, a small mobile home to park on it, a vegetable garden and some laying hens. At least I'd havea place to live and something to eat.
The stock market was always a rich-man's 'entertainment', and shouldn't be what we have to rely on for survival in our old age. That's what pensions were for, and I'm all for bringing pensions back.
If they were interested in the country they would just pass it...
they just don't want all the BLAME if it tanks. Playing politics. The Republicans did not help create this one...they, and McCain, and the Bush Admin, have been warning of this very thing for years. Dems blocked, blocked, blocked; chief among them Chris Dodd and Barney Frank. What I don't understand is why you Democrats don't want to hold them accountable. That just boggles my mind. Absolutely it does.
No, because the Republicans don't have enough votes to pass it on their own...
even if they wanted to. Only the Dems. So apparently, they just didn't want it bad enough to put their political but*s on the line. What other reason could there be? They don't want to be the majority in case it tanks. THAT is hypocritical.
THen why didn't the democrats just pass it....
they had the votes. It was the Democrat leadership that voted no...heads of the committees. Think it wasn't planned that way? Of course it was. Why? Because if it doesn't work they don't want to be the only ones out there with George Bush's failed plan. That is NOT putting the country first. That is old Washington playing politics.
As to the republicans voting no...their constituents are about 99 to 1 against it. There are many on this board against it. So they are listening to their constituents. I think a lot of people don't really realize the situation.
But again...they only needed like 11 votes to pass and 95 democrats voted against it.
Yep, the democrats always get a free pass...sm
don't they? Disgusting.
But the republicans....whoa Nellie, they're run out of town, tarred and feathered, and made to resign in disgrace.
I don't know who upsets me most. The liberal democrats who perpetuate these hypocritical double standards, or the so-called conservative republicans who let the dems run them over with a cement truck and leave them in the middle of the road like roadkill.
I realize that; however, I did not expect it to pass....
because amending the constitution is different than voting for a law you know will be overturned. Just out of curiousity...I am not sure what I posted about the US Supreme Court will have any validity...can they challenge a state constitutional amendment?
OK, sam. Another moment in history has come to pass.
you go me ROFLMAO. LOL.
What are you talking about? Proposition 8 did pass!
I believe you are a bit confused. Proposition 8 was a measure designed to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry in the State of California. The measure passed. The people in the State of California who believe that these constitutional rights should not be taken away voted against the measure.
Things coming to pass? (sm)
You aren't getting ready to break out in bible verses are you? If you're talking about the economy, EVERYONE knows it's going to get worse before it gets better -- that would be regardless of who was elected.
They WILL get a free pass unless the news gets put out
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It is none of your business!
Mind your own business.
of course it's our business, she put herself in this
to be under a microscope.
I think that they will go out of business
when any baby boomer without insurance goes out and buys it once he/she has been diagnosed with cancer. Then, when your child needs insurance, there will be no money left to pay for him/her.
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