If Berg were able to successfully argue on the so-called
Posted By: merits of the case....sm on 2008-11-29
In Reply to: Yes, on a technicality. no "standing". No one has - ever said the suits had no merit to them.nm
he would not be pursuing the "standing" argument. Don't you get that?
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You mean MORE than Berg the Boob?
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I'm thanking God for Mr. Berg
who is standing up to defend the constitution. And no judge should be allowed to throw out a case based on political affiliation. Especially when the judge only signed a piece of paper faxed to him - a question on a lot of minds is "where was this fax from".
The Constitution of the United States is a document that outlines the basis of the federal (national) government of the USA. It was written in 1787 at the "Constitutional Convention," held in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in what we now call Independence Hall. The 55 men at the convention are called the "Founding Fathers" of the USA, and are also known as the "Framers of the Constitution." Some of the more famous of the framers are George Washington (the first President of the USA), James Madison (the fourth President of the USA), Benjamin Franklin, and Alexander Hamilton.
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
“We” the people, are heading to a “Constitutional Crisis” if this case is not resolved forthwith.
I think God people like Mr. Berg is proceeding to protect our rights.
What part of that do you consider "nutty".
Yes, Berg is a DEMOCRAT.
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Phil Berg for Hillary?
Philip Berg is/was an avid Hillary Clinton supporter and filed his motions before the Democratic Convention, didn't he? Besides, the court has not made any demands on Obama to produce anything. He released his birth certificate and the Hawaiian birth announcement, nothing more is required.
Also if you check Obama's official website, you'll see that Michelle Obama has a busy campaigning schedule while her husband is in Hawaii. I don't know, but I don't think it's too strange to think that she may have felt it was important to continue campaigning during his absence at such a crucial time.
Berg appealing - Thank God for people like you
If someone wants a link I can provide, but here is basicially what it states. All I say is thank God there are people like Mr. Berg who are upholding the constitution and doing what is right. There needs to be a temporary halt until Obama's legitimacy can be proven. Up until now it has not.
Philip J. Berg is Appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court as Obama is "NOT" qualified to be President of the United States Lawsuit Against Obama Dismissed from Philadelphia Federal Court
For Immediate Release: - 10/25/08 -
UPDATE: Ruling attached at end. It's a really poor copy, but it is all we have for the moment. Willl put up a better copy when we get one.
(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/25/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that he is immediately appealing the dismissal of his case to the United States Supreme Court. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.
Berg said, "I am totally disappointed by Judge Surrick's decision and, for all citizens of the United States, I am immediately appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court.
This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution. If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States - the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world - then who does?
So, anyone can just claim to be eligible for congress or the presidency without having their legal status, age or citizenship questioned.
According to Judge Surrick, we the people have no right to police the eligibility requirements under the U.S. Constitution.
What happened to ‘...Government of the people, by the people, for the people,...’ Abraham Lincoln in his Gettysburg Address 1863.
We must legally prevent Obama, the unqualified candidate, from taking the Office of the Presidency of the United States,” Berg said.
Our website obamacrimes.com now has 71.8 + million hits. We are urging all to spread the word of our website – and forward to your local newspapers and radio and TV stations.
Berg again stressed his position regarding the urgency of this case as, “we” the people, are heading to a “Constitutional Crisis” if this case is not resolved forthwith.
This proves that Phil Berg is a hardhead who
twice failed legal action. So you still have presented nothing that back up your claim that this is still on the docket. By the way, ever heard of frivolous lawsuits. They are not confined to medical malpractice, dontcha know?
Why do you suppose that Berg the Boob's complaint
Use your noggen. IF he were able to prove (a) that Obama was born in Kenya, (b) that he was an Indonesian citizen whose mother had "renounced" (NOT) his US citizenship, and/or (c) that Obama's HAWAIIAN birth certificate was a forgery...don't you think that a complaint based on "standing," "harm" and/or "disenfranchisement" is a rather convoluted, roundabout way of "getting to the truth?" That burden of proof would be on him and he could not do it because, well...IT ISN'T TRUE
The judge has ruled. If a 34-page rendering is not enough to satisfy you, then Lord knows, there is no reasoning with this pathologic degree of denial. IT'S OVER. Finito. Kaput. Settled. Gone. There's NOTHING there. Period. The end. Time to let it go, already.
Berg is no leftie. He is simply a disenfranchised
and, NO, that does not make him a leftie. The dem party has a broad range of degree of conservativism vs liberalism. A fringe pub is not qualified to judge one way or the other who among the dems is left, right or center, since everyone left of them (including the majority of their own political party) are "lefties." Berg is a Hillary diehard, pure and simple. If you doubt this, just take a look at the timing of when he filed his law suit. He did not challenge O's eligibility until it became apparent that his own candidate was going to lose in the primaries.
Berg is no leftie. He is simply a disenfranchised
and, NO, that does not make him a leftie. The dem party has a broad range of degree of conservativism vs liberalism. A fringe pub is not qualified to judge one way or the other who among the dems is left, right or center, since everyone left of them (including the majority of their own political party) are "lefties." Berg is a Hillary diehard, pure and simple. If you doubt this, just take a look at the timing of when he filed his law suit. He did not challenge O's eligibility until it became apparent that his own candidate was going to lose in the primaries.
Berg Lawsuit Thrown Out - Case Closed
Judge rejects Montco lawyer's bid to have Obama removed from ballot
By MICHAEL HINKELMAN
Philadelphia Daily News
hinkelm@phillynews.com 215-854-2656
A federal judge in Philadelphia last night threw out a complaint by a Montgomery County lawyer who claimed that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was not qualified to be president and that his name should be removed from the Nov. 4 ballot.
Philip J. Berg alleged in a complaint filed in federal district court on Aug. 21 against Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya.
Berg claimed that the Democratic presidential standardbearer is not even an American citizen but a citizen of Indonesia and therefore ineligible to be president.
He alleged that if Obama was permitted to run for president and subsequently found to be ineligible, he and other voters would be disenfranchised.
U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick had denied Berg's request for a temporary restraining order on Aug. 22 but had not ruled on the merits of the suit until yesterday.
Obama and the Democratic National Committee had asked Surrick to dismiss Berg's complaint in a court filing on Sept. 24.
They said that Berg's claims were "ridiculous" and "patently false," that Berg had "no standing" to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for president because he had not shown the requisite harm to himself.
Surrick agreed.
In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg's allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters.
Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."
The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."
For example, Berg had claimed that Obama's nomination deprived citizens of voting for Sen. Hillary Clinton in November. (Berg backed Clinton in the primaries.)
Berg could not be reached for comment last night.
Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, and the campaign posted a document issued by Hawaii on its Web site, fight thesmears.com, confirming his birth there.
Berg said in court papers that the image was a forgery.
The nonpartisan Web site FactCheck.org examined the original document and said it was legitimate.
Further, a birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Honolulu Advertiser listed Obama's birth there on Aug. 4.
We can argue this....
until the cows come homes, but how can you explain the fact that the tax cuts have produced HIGHER TAX REVENUES THAN AT ANY TIME DURING THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, EVEN WITH HIS TAX HIKES?
Yes, the rich get the bulk of tax cuts, that's because THEY pay most of the taxes. They also pay them at a higher rate. And lest we forget the millions who dropped OFF the tax rolls after the Bush tax cuts.
Who am I to argue
I guess they could get a million African-Americans to say he was not a racist, but as long as you say so, it must be true.
One could argue that.
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Oh, please. Why argue about
how something might not be true because someone with a beef against Bush said it? Sure, take it into consideration but then go find out the truth! You seem to imply that people must be lying about anything they say if they don't like Bush. Where did you get such a notion, if you really have it?
Newsflash! - People can disagree with Bush policies and still be telling the truth! But ultimately it's up to YOU to judge the truth of any claim from EITHER side - and using a measure of who likes him and who doesn't like him to decide what truth is, is not going to cut it for whoever thinks that's going to work.
I'd like to see someone argue with this.
The next to the last paragraph was the most telling. I wonder if this prediction will come true before the end of 2006 (after the elections, of course).
Dr. Charles finally goes to bed after this, his first bit of Google-cut-and-paste-environmental-journalism, fully expecting but hoping not to wake up in a world in which gas costs $10/gallon and we're at war with Iran.
No, I am not going to argue with you...
I wanted to know your reasoning and now I know it. Thank you for your honesty!
you can't argue with
the True Believers of JM/SP. There is no fact or situation that would deter them from their dogged quest to drag the country to even lower depths.
Can't argue with that...how else will they ever
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Sam, you just want to argue -
You know that if you don't pay taxes you cannot get a tax cut - you know what he means when he says 95% of Americans. You are just trying to blow smoke so that people who read what you say and nothing else will vote your way and think Obama is just this horrible person who is going to take all their money and give it to those scumbags who don't do nothing...
Nothing anybody say is going to satisfy you - you are just going to keep going in circles...
we understand that you do not like Obama, but you don't have to just deliberately act dumb because it is obvious you are not dumb!
There is no way I will argue with
on high with this breakdown of her most despised party's ideology. I am just a meager 4-decade party member in need of enlightenment on my own party's platforms.
But I will say this much. Within his own party establishment, Rahm Emanuel is NOT considered to be in ranks of the left or progressives. One only has to tune in to Pacifica and listen to Amy Goodman tear him inside out to understand this particular concept. That discussion will be aired on Democracy Now! if anyone out there is interested in such analysis. But then again, none of us could possibly know as much as Sam does about this pick.
The examples of his support for the war and his pro-Israel stance are diametrically opposed to left-wing views. Since I am not in the habit of researching right-wing blogs for my education, I am also not qualified to comment on the rest of this propaganda. Take it away, Sam. That's your territory, not mine.
My OP would argue otherwise.
RE: Smoke and mirrors. I never said I disbelieved the report. I simply decided to research it for myself and draw my own conclusions, based on the facts at hand, not some incoherent and not terribly credible right-wing rant. You might try it sometime. You know what they say. It's not the destination, but the journey.
exactly, how can they argue this... SERIOUSLY
Ghostmom... how highly observant of you, why didn't anyone think of that before...
I just dont know how they will respond to you and spin it. or they wont respond because they can't defend it...
exactly, how can they argue this...
Ghostmom... how highly observant of you, why didn't anyone think of that before...
I just dont know how they will respond to you and spin it. or they wont respond because they can't defend it...
I am not asking to argue, but who is sm
it that you claim to be "your god?" Why would you not want to "share your faith" if you have faith and know you are going to heaven.
I am too tired to argue it. sm
You win everything! Whatever that is. Besides, it's all silly compared to what really matters in the world. Have a good one!
I cannot argue with someone who thinks as you do.
You decry killing of innocent civilians when they are Muslim only. Israeli have lived with killings for decades. Where was your pain then?
I won't argue that point! nm
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I hate to argue, especially when
I know from the outset it will make no difference. Life is too short and my time is too valuable.
I won't be voting early, but I will be voting. That's one for me and one for you. No need to argue. The votes will all be counted and we will see what happens.
If you hate to argue
then why are you doing it? LOL
Okay, you obviously just want to argue in circles here.
Calling someone self righteous and conservative like it's a bad thing is being judgmental and therefore hypocritical.
I'm sorry I wasted my time.
hmm...no you win....lets argue about that instead. nm
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Pointless to argue....maybe but
we sat idley by while Madelyn Murray O'Hair trampled our "pearls".
not even gonna argue
i KNOW i have way more on you
But I would really like you to point out how i have spewed hatred in a racism form? That offends me like nothing else and I think you should apologize. You can flame me for politics or whatever else, but to call me racist is the most vile disgusting inappropriate thing to say to someone like me, you dont know my past or my present and you have no idea what that could mean to someone like me so why dont you take it upon yourself to apologize for that nasty comment about me being racist. That is shameful and hurtful.
not that i really expect people like you to care.
And on a side note, my man knows everything about me!
Well I'm not in the mood to argue but
all I know (so far) is half the cost to help homeowners and create jobs like the dems package... In fact, I believe it almost had the same things EXCEPT the crappy projects that do nothing to create a healthy economy and put people back to work, keep them in their home, allow permanent tax cuts to you and me, not just businesses, but you and me. He wanted 5% off the top for us.
We have the highest business tax in the world and that is one of the reasons companies moved their businesses out of here. McCain did want to cut the business tax when he was running, but people didn't see how that would help. It would have kept more businesses from moving out and hopefully, get some businesses to come back. Opps, sorry. That last statement about the businesses moving back is wrong. They use slave labor to get their products out and wouldn't want to come back and pay Americans a decent wage to produce their products because they want to keep the profits for themselves.
You have your opinion and I have mine. I think McC's package would have been better.
I still don't want to spend $88 million to move the one branch of government into another building. I still don't want to spend millions on youth summer jobs (up to the age of 24 BTW). I dont' want to spend millions on renovating the government buildings. Even though the dems are thinking more on the lines of energy efficiency for these buildings (which is a good idea), THESE ITEMS DO NOT BELONG IN A STIMULUS PACKAGE TO HELP US OR THE ECONOMY. They only help certain areas of the country, not the whole country.
No, I don't argue much. I discuss or
post articles I think would be interesting to people on this board. I try not to tear down the people who post, either, not like some on this board. They have their opinion, I have mine.
No, I don't argue much. I discuss or
post articles I think would be interesting to people on this board. I try not to tear down the people who post, either, not like some on this board. They have their opinion, I have mine.
Your idea of a reply very often isn't up for discussion. You seem to think it's the only one that matters. End of discussion.
I will not sit and argue wtih you. Too sm
many folks just like you have tried to wipe Christianity out of this country.
Go to Washington DC, look on the many government buildings there and you will find references to God even carved into the bulidings themselves. The godless people of this country have tried to have it removed from our money, that they can do but what are they going to do with the buildings? Build new ones.
This country was founded as a Christian nation and people like you and the rest of the god-forsaking crowd are just trying to rewrite history to suit yourselves.
I believe God himself is fed up with this country and is gradually lifting his hand of protection off of this country. I feel bad for you and folks like you because you don't even know the seriousness of the things that you spout.
I will not sit and argue wtih you. Too sm
many folks just like you have tried to wipe Christianity out of this country.
Go to Washington DC, look on the many government buildings there and you will find references to God even carved into the bulidings themselves. The godless people of this country have tried to have it removed from our money, that they can do but what are they going to do with the buildings? Build new ones.
This country was founded as a Christian nation and people like you and the rest of the god-forsaking crowd are just trying to rewrite history to suit yourselves.
I believe God himself is fed up with this country and is gradually lifting his hand of protection off of this country. I feel bad for you and folks like you because you don't even know the seriousness of the things that you spout.
I won't argue the racial part. sm
I agree with that. But you don't need to bring politics into it. You lose all credibility and, as I said, you lessen this little girl's death by using your own agenda. Try to focus on the tragedy and the fact that our society needs a major overhaul.
She said let's debate. Instead you want to argue as usual.
He isn't unskilled anymore then. Why do you want to argue about EVERYTHING? SM
BS
Keep it about the politics. Argue, fight it out...
disagree, agree, whatever. It's not a personal bash board to personally attack and insult other posters though.
Look, we can argue about this until the cows come home
I'm not talking about the small businesses who GROSS maybe $250,000 or even $500,000, it's what they get to keep. I speak of big businesses....like your oil companies......they're pocketing billions with the help of their oil buds in the White House. If you're in favor of that more power to you. I am NOT. It's high time these greedy guts pay their fair share. Research and see how many of the super wealthy don't pay ANY tax.
I'd love to continue to argue with you
but at the moment I have more pressing things to do outside of politics....like making a difference in the community I live in. I'm sure I'll be back to argue with you some more later. LOL
Yeah, I DO think these people want to argue with
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You're right...you shouldn't argue with me....(sm)
you should argue with the founding fathers themselves because that is exactly what you are attempting to do, rather unsuccessfully I might add.
Your're right -- it's hard to argue with . . .
what the CONSTITUTION SAYS!!!!!
The bully thing would argue in favor of
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I thought you loved to argue daggummit?!
Well like I said I understand not wanting to vote for Mccain. I really don't either. I just can't in good conscience vote for Obama. Like I said I have to look at the issues from a Christian point of view before I look at them from any other view. Mccain is not the epitome of a Christian candidate, but to measure him against Obama he is more so than Obama. Or at least he will hold closer to the laws of God than Obama.
I know Obama says he is a Christian, but you will know a Christian by the fruit he bares. I'm not liking his fruit. :)
Lesser of two evils unfortunately.
You just love to argue, don'tcha? Don't answer that.
I know you're answer. I just posted a news item. Sheesh!
I think you are saying the same thing. No need to argue when you're making the same point...nm
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