IMHO, Wilson discredits himself, if one takes a look at the facts.
Posted By: nm on 2005-10-20
In Reply to: Bush angry with Rove for being CLUMSY in discrediting Wilson! - Libby
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One clear signal voters are sending this time around is that they no longer buy into NeoCon extremist viewpoints. The republican party is also trying desperately to distance itself from the right fringe of its own party via "diva," "rogue," and "whack job" perjoratives used to describe the VP pick and McCain's poor judgment. Repubots unite and flame away...will not change a thing.
It takes so little to make you laugh - in fact, it takes nothing at all. NM
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Who is Ms.Wilson?
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I don't know who Ms Wilson is either, but
Karl Rove is a charter member of the *axis of evil* and therefore one of the most dangerous men on earth (along with dubya, rumsfield, cheney, etc.)
My fondest desire is that they all get the worst case of incurable crabs the world has ever known, right along with a dose of the clap and chronic, unremitting insomnia. and maybe hangnails.
ms wilson
Ms Wilson is Valerie Plame, a CIA operative who was outed by Karl Rove.
wilson versus rove
Ms. Wilson is Valerie Plame, she is married to Joseph Wilson. She worked for the CIA but Rove gave her name to Robert Novak, thus jeopardizing her life.
Long live Wilson
Give me a man who has had too many wives and did too many drugs rather than a man who has drank too many alcoholic drinks and snorted too much cocaine and sent us to an immoral illegal war based on lies and has killed almost 2,000 brave soldiers based on that lie and tens of thousand innocent Iraqs and injured mentally and physically thousand of Americans, stated he was a uniter not a divider but has divided this country in two and reduced our credibility and respect around the world and caused the biggest deficit America has ever had..yes, give me Joseph Wilson, a true American patriot, anyday..
Wilson gives speech in conservative Bakersfield
Bakersfield is a very conservative oil town.
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John Harte / The Californian
Former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson speaks to an overflow crowd at CSUB Thursday night. |
Critic of Bush earns support
Packed house at CSUB hears ex-envoy who disputed Iraqi war data
By CHRISTINA SOSA, Californian staff writer
e-mail: csosa@bakersfield.com
Posted: Thursday October 20th, 2005, 11:45 PM
Last Updated: Friday October 21st, 2005, 7:52 AM
The audience overflowed the overflow room at Cal State Bakersfield's Doré Theatre on Thursday night and people had to settle for standing in the hall to hear former U.S. ambassador to Iraq Joseph Wilson speak.
Starlene Parson was one of more than 600 people who attended the free event, which was part of the Kegley Institute of Ethics' lecture series.
It was interesting that the audience was supportive of him, Parson said.
Even Wilson thought his visit to such a conservative town might be more problematic than the welcome reception he received.
I figured that if I was going to get a pie in the face, this would be the town, Wilson joked.
After a career of working with Republican Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, Wilson wrote an op-ed piece in The New York Times in July 2003 disputing information current President Bush used to justify a war in Iraq.
I had a civic duty, and that civic duty was to call my government to account for what my government had said and done, Wilson said Thursday.
Days after Wilson's article, columnist Robert Novak revealed that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was a CIA agent. The revelation prompted a nearly two-year federal grand jury investigation because Plame's role with the CIA was classified, and it may have been illegal to disclose it.
He called ruining his wife's cover a tawdry, cheap, dirty political trick.
Wilson's speech delved into the details of his work during the first Iraq war in the early 1990s, his investigation in Niger and his personal fight with the Bush administration after he came forward.
Wilson also stressed that while he may find himself more a friend to the left than the right these days, he has never seen national security as a partisan issue.
The real implications in all this are to our country and our status and stature in the world, Wilson said. It is our national status that is at play here, not our partisan status.
Attendee Harriet Morris was struck by how calmly Wilson presented his information and point of view.
What I liked about him is he was kind of low-key. There wasn't any anger, Morris said. There wasn't any angry rhetoric. He just kind of told the story, and the story is scary.
Before opening the floor to questions, Wilson ended his prepared speech with a call for vigilance from all Americans.
If you lay back ... and you allow others to make your decisions for you, then the chances are pretty good that you will find you have lost your republic, Wilson said.
didn't Gretchen Wilson perform there?
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I have been trying to follow this Rove vs Wilson thing and I'm not sure what's going on, but I hope
they keep the pressure on, because IF our govt has behaved irresponsibly we need to know.
Bush angry with Rove for being CLUMSY in discrediting Wilson!
*But the President felt Rove and other members of the White House damage-control team did a clumsy job in their campaign to discredit Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, the ex-diplomat who criticized Bush's claim that Saddam Hussen tried to buy weapons-grade uranium in Niger.*
New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com |
Bush whacked
Rove on CIA leak
BY THOMAS M. DeFRANK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF
Wednesday, October 19th, 2005
WASHINGTON - An angry President Bush rebuked chief political guru Karl Rove two years ago for his role in the Valerie Plame affair, sources told the Daily News.
He made his displeasure known to Karl, a presidential counselor told The News. He made his life miserable about this.
Bush has nevertheless remained doggedly loyal to Rove, who friends and even political adversaries acknowledge is the architect of the President's rise from baseball owner to leader of the free world.
As special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald nears a decision, perhaps as early as today, on whether to issue indictments in his two-year probe, Bush has already circled the wagons around Rove, whose departure would be a grievous blow to an already shell-shocked White House staff and a President in deep political trouble.
Asked if he believed indictments were forthcoming, a key Bush official said he did not know, then added: I'm very concerned it could go very, very badly.
Karl is fighting for his life, the official added, but anything he did was done to help George W. Bush. The President knows that and appreciates that.
Other sources confirmed, however, that Bush was initially furious with Rove in 2003 when his deputy chief of staff conceded he had talked to the press about the Plame leak.
Bush has always known that Rove often talks with reporters anonymously and he generally approved of such contacts, one source said.
But the President felt Rove and other members of the White House damage-control team did a clumsy job in their campaign to discredit Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, the ex-diplomat who criticized Bush's claim that Saddam Hussen tried to buy weapons-grade uranium in Niger.
A second well-placed source said some recently published reports implying Rove had deceived Bush about his involvement in the Wilson counterattack were incorrect and were leaked by White House aides trying to protect the President.
Bush did not feel misled so much by Karl and others as believing that they handled it in a ham-handed and bush-league way, the source said.
None of these sources offered additional specifics of what Bush and Rove discussed in conversations beginning shortly after the Justice Department informed the White House in September 2003 that a criminal investigation had been launched into the leak of CIA agent Plame's identity to columnist Robert Novak.
A White House spokesman declined to comment, citing the ongoing nature of Fitzgerald's investigation. |
Bush admits to directing cheney to discredit Joe Wilson.
At the time, officials told said that Plame's outing resulted in *severe* damage to her team and *significantly hampered the CIA's ability to monitor nuclear proliferation.* I guess personal kindergarten style paybacks are more important to Bush. Just remember Bush's role in all this when he declares yet another war on Iran.
Bush Told Prosecutors He Directed Cheney to Discredit Joe Wilson
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
George W. Bush, 9/30/2003:
I know of nobody -- I don't know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action. And this investigation is a good thing.
And again I repeat, you know, Washington is a town where there's all kinds of allegations. You've heard much of the allegations. And if people have got solid information, please come forward with it. And that would be people inside the information who are the so-called anonymous sources, or people outside the information -- outside the administration. And we can clarify this thing very quickly if people who have got solid evidence would come forward and speak out. And I would hope they would.
And then we'll get to the bottom of this and move on. But I want to tell you something -- leaks of classified information are a bad thing. And we've had them -- there's too much leaking in Washington. That's just the way it is. And we've had leaks out of the administrative branch, had leaks out of the legislative branch, and out of the executive branch and the legislative branch, and I've spoken out consistently against them and I want to know who the leakers are.
12/13/2005
Newspaper columnist Robert Novak is still not naming his source in the Valerie Plame affair, but he says he is pretty sure the name is no mystery to President Bush.
I'm confident the president knows who the source is, Novak told a luncheon audience at the John Locke Foundation in Raleigh on Tuesday. I'd be amazed if he doesn't.
So I say, 'Don't bug me. Don't bug Bob Woodward. Bug the president as to whether he should reveal who the source is.'
07/03/2006
Reports: Plame Was Monitoring Iran Nukes When Outed
By E&P Staff
Published: May 02, 2006 10:55 AM ET
NEW YORK What was Valerie Plame working on at the CIA when she was outed by administration officials and columnist Robert Novak? MSNBC's David Schuster on Monday said he had confirmed an earlier report that she was helping to keep track of Iran's nuclear activity--not a front and center issue for the White House.
Earlier this year, Larisa Alexandrovna of the Web site RawStory.com, reported that Plame, whose covert status was compromised in the leak, was monitoring weapons proliferation in Iran. At the time, officials told her that Plame's outing resulted in severe damage to her team and significantly hampered the CIA's ability to monitor nuclear proliferation.
On last night's Hardball, MSNBC correspondent Shuster reported that intelligence sources told him thatr Wilson was part of an operation three years ago tracking the proliferation of nuclear weapons material into Iran. And the sources asserted, he said, that when here Wilson's cover was blown, the administration's ability to track Iran's nuclear ambitions was damaged as well.
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002426164
IMHO....
wanting segregation no matter what race you are (minority or not) is racist. That is what I took from her thesis.
IMHO....
First of all, I agree wholeheartedly with you that ILLEGALS should have their butts shipped back home and not hired to fill jobs LEGAL citizens can do (regardless of those who actually believe no one wants "those" jobs....that's crap!!) AND our borders should be secured to the point (unlike now), if you dare try to cross, you will be shot on sight....THE END! Wonder how many will continue to try to cross if they actually think they will be killed or how many will risk giving birth in our hospitals with their anchor babies? Probably not many after a few are picked off!! AND we stop punishing our border patrol agents for doing their job. One can only imagine the glee illegals got from knowing our government is so a**backwards that we lock up our own border patrol agents for doing their job!
On the other hand, taxing AIG executives 95% isn't legal in the first place and why should we suddenly go after them. Not ALL the executives are the bad guys. On the other hand, Obama's administration KNEW darn well these bonuses were already contracted when they handed out these billions of dollars, so they just look like fools trying to get it back by illegally taking it! These were legally binding contracts a private company has every right to do. If Obama was so worried the American taxpayer was suddenly giving them money and this MAY have been going to their bonuses, why did he let it pass? Wasn't it his DUTY to go through this thing LINE BY LINE. Wasn't that his campaign promise....of course, he has reneged on so many of his joke promises, nothing surprises me coming from him.
But once the word was out that Obama's bunch KNEW full well these contracts were signed LAST YEAR and were perfectly legally binding contracts and AFTER someone blew the whistle on it, THEN he pretends to be SOOOO angry and wants to get the money back?!! He's such a joke. These were last year's contracts and were/are legal!
Maybe they should have done their homework first instead of jumping the gun and handing over billions of taxpayers' dollars before they start back peddling and strutting around like little peacocks boasting how they are gonna get our money back. Pleeeze! This administration is a stinking joke! Looks like the keystone cops running around up there.
Heck, many democrats are turning on Obama left and right and calling for him to REIGN IN his spending. Even they are smart enough to figure out this guy is OUT OF CONTROL!
Sorry, IMHO
When Levi Johnson and Bristol Palin signed on as the poster children for the McCain-Palin ticket, they became political figures. The more Sara Palin continued to exploit these pathetic pregnant teens, the more political they became. If you don't want to discuss it and are looking for a more intelligent read, I suggest you start reading comic books!
Sums It Up, IMHO
Pretty much sums it up, if you ask me:
From the Sunday Portland Oregonian:
"Other than telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote,
invest, [balance our budgets], educate our children--- and now, die--- I think the Republicans have done a fine job of getting government out of our personal lives."
Thank you, IMHO. (Please see message.)
Wow! LOL. I can certainly relate to making MANY mistakes, and I agree that it's okay to say you're wrong. I also agree that it keeps us humble and human, and to me, some of the best laughs I've ever had were when I was laughing at myself! 
Although I appreciate very much your message about being nice to you, I can't help but feel sad that it's come to the point on this board where someone has to thank someone else for just being civil. I plead guilty to sometimes letting things get to me and have complained bitterly about those things at times, but I have always tried to complain about the issue at hand and not personalize it because I believe we can all agree without being disagreeable. (If anyone on this board believes I have attacked them personally, then I truly apologize because it wasn't meant that way.) Being nice to someone shouldn't be the exception; it should be the rule.
I, too, enjoy reading people's different opinions because I want to learn as much as I can, as well, and find new things to research, just like you.
As far as Anthony Hopkins is concerned, I couldn't agree with you more, and I can understand how one might think his characters are based on real people. I laughed out loud when I saw his inclusion in your list of doctors, and I'm very glad you interpreted my post in the manner it was intended: as something funny and as something I, myself, might be more than capable of doing and laughing at myself for it, as well.
I just wanted to thank you for such a lovely post and wish you a great day. 
Not really a loss, IMHO.
I believe the term for him and others like him are RINOs (Republicans in name only).
Now at least he won't have to lie about which party he belongs to.
Not really a loss, IMHO.
I believe the term for him and others like him are RINOs (Republicans in name only).
Now at least he won't have to lie about which party he belongs to.
It is criminal neglect, IMHO
The more I read articles and watch videos in the net, the more horror it all becomes, I truly believe it is criminal neglect. I would think whomever will be found responsible after investigations (I assume Bush will be, the evidence is there), should be put on trial. This was just simply neglect by the federal govt to respond to a national emergency and hundreds or thousands have died because of it, animals are dying, billions will have to be spent to rebuild, people no doubt will be traumatically scarred for years to come, especially the children. Some will never know what happened to their family as the longer the bodies lay in the water and heat, their DNA breaks down. Beautiful New Orleans destroyed. Its like Bush is truly disconnected..he does not comprehend impending emergencies, he just does not get it and he would rather joke about disasters, like he did last week. I wonder if all that alcohol and cocaine he did in his youth burned part of his thought processes? Im just wondering what the next catastrophe will be under Bush's watch. 9/11, Iraq war and now this..American's dirty little secret is out to the world..we dont take care of the less fortunate, we would rather spend billions killing people in other countries than helping poor American citizens and strengthening our infrastructure. I hope the momentum continues and we demand from our servants, the politicians, to put America back on the right track.
Teaching about contraception is the key, IMHO
We need to start teaching men and women about contraception. Im amazed when I read medical reports at how many do not use anything or the *rhythm method*. Yes, I agree with you..I would love for there to be no thing such as abortion..It is a terrible thing, breaks my heart, however, until we educate people about contraception and taking responsibility for their sexual lives, abortion will continue, whether it is legal or not..and that is the terrible part. I can remember back in NY in the 1970s..Abortion was not legal..and women ended up dead in back room alleys, dirty motel rooms, in their own homes, trying to end a pregnancy with a coat hanger, their insides ripped out. I remember seeing pictures in Ms Magazine of police files of women who died trying to terminate a pregnancy. I fear it will go back to that..
IMHO, this is a ridiculous assertion.
Just how does appointing Panetta serve as pay back to the Clintons? He has Clintonites around him because that is where he has to go to look for leadership that is not tainted by Bush's one-man disaster area, especially when it comes to the CIA.
You're right...should be McPain... IMHO.
She's not worth a debate IMHO...BTDT..nm
Ok, how about he was a "closet Obama supporter" until now..IMHO...nm
IMHO Colin Powell isn't a puppet.
IMHO -great post! I feel the same way.nm
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IMHO, I've never thought he was that funny...
and have always preferred Leno over him. I typically don't watch much late-night TV, but when given the choice, I always watched Leno. I haven't seen much of Conan's show yet, but I'm sure I would prefer him over Letterman any day.
I want to see what happens to the first "comedian" that makes fun of Obama's children. You'd have to get a tic sheet to count the number of times that person would be called a racist.
IMHO, I've never thought he was that funny...
and have always preferred Leno over him. I typically don't watch much late-night TV, but when given the choice, I always watched Leno. I haven't seen much of Conan's show yet, but I'm sure I would prefer him over Letterman any day.
I want to see what happens to the first "comedian" that makes fun of Obama's children. You'd have to get a tic sheet to count the number of times that person would be called a racist.
Facts are facts - sorry you don't like it cos it doesn't support your candidate
You can't change facts. That's what makes them facts. You may not like it but that's the way it is.
Nancy Pelosi has become a huge embarrassment and detriment to the Dem party, IMHO......nm
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Facts are facts. No bash intended.
It will be this stellar record from which voters will be assessing her and her running mate.
If you're offended, too bad. Facts are facts...
I know Muslims in this country who have turned from the hateful evil beliefs that were forced down their throats. They did not have the freedom to learn anything else growing up. But after they gained their freedom and came here, they were able to receive the Word of God and they have told me that NEVER were they taught anything about loving others, just other Muslims, and that the God they learned about spoke of nothing but killing and hate... so if Obama is receiving large donations from those middle eastern countries, as you say, and he is grounded in Muslim culture, being taught this in school for years as a child, do you honestly think he doesn't carry some of those beliefs with him? He's never denounced it.
Here ya go.........
http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm
stating facts folks, just the facts....if it's getting
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Folks want facts, you give'm facts and still
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This poster wants facts, facts, facts...
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Poster wants facts, facts, facts.....
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whatever it takes to get what
you want. Sociopathic, much.
If this is all it takes to silence you....
your "issues" must not be worth caring about enough to post. How is it okay to silence me...that's fine. But then you complain that I am silencing YOU. Is this glaring double standard somehow escaping you? Are you so unconvinced in your "issues?"
What little ambition it takes....
to follow me around belitting me. Make you feel like big stuff, all empowered and everything? lol.
I thought so. How seriously do you think anybody takes
Your first clue that this "story" just might be a tad suspect would be the fact that it is getting absolutely NO AIR TIME on any respectable media outlet.
We feeble O lovers (that would be the ones with the double-digit lead) have been using computers long enough by now to understand digital doctoring. Let's take a look at a credible source that has actually examined the birth certificate document:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
This is the second time this lawsuit has tried to pass muster, Miss out of the loop. It was discredited TWICE. What part of give up the campaign stunts (they are destroying your candidate's chances) do you not get?
They say it takes one to know one. I think we'd all better do a little praying. n/m
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It takes an interpreter because someone is i
the statement. The are creating a tempest in a teapot.
Takes the cake is right,
as well as the mixer and bowl, the cake pan and oven. You can keep the empty box, however....
All it takes is a hacker
to break those codes, passwords, etc. It happens.
This person comes over here takes a DUMP on us...sm
and you think someone is supposed to be chasing her down. I agree with GT, don't let the door knob hit ya.
Takes your money and blows it? NM
HA HA
She's got what it takes to stand up to the boys....
I'm working, so I don't have time to read through today. So if this has been posted before, please forgive me.
But if I had any doubts before about Gov. Palin, I think I've just been put in my place!!!
McCain aides whose judgment I trust are impressed by Sarah Palin. One was particularly amused by this exchange: A nervous young McCain staffer took it upon himself to explain to Palin the facts of life in a national campaign, the intense scrutiny she’d be under from the media, the viciousness of the assault that she’d be facing, etc.:
Palin: “Thanks for the warning. By the way, do you know what they say the difference is between a hockey mom and a Pit Bull?”
McCain aide: “No, Governor.”
Palin: “A hockey mom wears lipstick.”
It takes one to 'know' one, doesn't it?
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It takes a male and a female . . .
to make a baby, but that is not what I would consider a heterosexual relationship. That's conception. My definition of a relationship goes beyond a plastic cup and a turkey baster.
This takes the CAKE (& icing)!
If this man will lie about a GI bracelet, what WON'T he lie about? Come on, y'all! Wake up!
I didn't copy the entire thing (no no, right?). It appears that you'd have to go to the site to download it. Keep an eye out to see if the drivebys (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, NPR, NYT, etc.) mention it. I'm hoping they'll have no choice. There will be a ton of crying and hand wringing beforehand, you can be sure if it ever happens at all.
(H/T D. Keith Howington of www.dehavelle.com)
http://tinyurl.com/45q5r6
or:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/28/family-told-obama-not-wear-soldier-sons-bracelet-where-media
Family Told Obama NOT To Wear Soldier Son's Bracelet... Where is Media?
By Warner Todd Huston
September 28, 2008
Barack Obama played the "me too" game during the Friday debates on September 26 after Senator John McCain mentioned that he was wearing a bracelet with the name of Cpl. Matthew Stanley, a resident of New Hampshire and a soldier that lost his life in Iraq in 2006. Obama said that he too had a bracelet. After fumbling and straining to remember the name, he revealed that his had the name of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek of Merrill, Wisconsin.
Shockingly, however, Madison resident Brian Jopek, the father of Ryan Jopek, the young soldier who tragically lost his life to a roadside bomb in 2006, recently said on a Wisconsin Public Radio show that his family had asked Barack Obama to stop wearing the bracelet with his son's name on it. Yet Obama continues to do so despite the wishes of the family.
Radio host Glenn Moberg of the show "Route 51" asked Mr. Jopek, a man who believes in the efforts in Iraq and is not in favor of Obama's positions on the war, what he and his ex-wife think of Obama continually using their son's name on the campaign trail.
Jopek began by saying that his ex-wife was taken aback, even upset, that Obama has made the death of her son a campaign issue. Jopek says his wife gave Obama the bracelet because "she just wanted Mr. Obama to know Ryan's name." Jopek went on to say that "she wasn't looking to turn it into a big media event" and "just wanted it to be something between Barack Obama and herself." Apparently, they were all shocked it became such a big deal.
But, he also said that his ex-wife has refused further interviews on the matter and that she wanted Obama to stop wearing the reminder of her son's sacrifice that he keeps turning into a campaign soundbyte. This begins at about 10 minutes into the radio program. (Download radio show HERE) (H/T D. Keith Howington of www.dehavelle.com)
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