I would rather money go to illegal aliens than murder by war.
Posted By: Sour Grapes on 2009-02-14
In Reply to: News flash for you...... - sm
Apparently, you prefer murder.
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Illegal aliens are definitely
hurting our country expense wise. I know they want a better life and I know they want a chance at the American dream too and I can't blame them for that. But they are going to have to do it the legal way. It almost seems like illegals have more rights than we do sometimes. Jobs are scarce as it is....we don't need illegals coming in wanting jobs too.
Illegal aliens
http://www.kfire.us/Brochure/Publicationblue2.pdf
We need to pay more attention to illegal aliens than we do. We don't want things in the US like MS 13....which unfortunately is already in the US. This gang is brutal and will do anything to anyone if they get in their way. The costs of illegal aliens
Illegal aliens hurt our schools which in turn hurt our children. They are getting free healthcare in emergency rooms that taxpayers are paying for. Some of you on this board might actually want to research this a bit before you say it isn't a big deal.
About illegal aliens.
There was another "gathering" yesterday for the Hispanic man beaten to death almost a year ago. One of the banners stated 'Stop the raids and deportation'. The other one read 'Stop racial hatred. Stop separation of families.' and 2 others I couldn't catch. Two women from Philadelphia stated "We have to stop deporting the people. They are human beings, too." Unbelievable! 
There have been a total of 4 "gatherings" to honor the man that was killed. This town is 30% Hispanic now in a period of about 4 years. The background of this town and its people are mostly Polish, Irish, and Italian who came here to work in the mines in the late 1800s and early 1900s. There are only about 6,000 people in this town now.
http://www.republicanherald.com/articles/2009/02/15/news/local_news/pr_republican.20090215.a.pg1.pr15vigil_s1.2306408_loc.txt
I live in California, I know all about illegal aliens.
I have a much bigger problem with our government murdering people overseas with unjust wars.
By the way, exactly what jobs are they taking away from American citizens...picking fruits and vegetables in hot fields, scrubbing toilets in big office buildings, washing dishes at fancy restaurants? Illegal aliens do the dirty jobs that American citizens are too arrogant to do.
Liberal politicians will NEVER do anything about illegal aliens...
because among all the OTHER illegal things illegals do, they VOTE. And THAT is their value to the liberal left. Keep the poor poor and beholden (and force as many of us into that bracket as they can), illegals with benes...their voting base. They would sing a different tune if you had to prove citizenship to vote...if illegals were stopped from voting their "champions" would disappear like rats deserting a sinking ship. It's all about the power and keeping it...have we learned nothing? The best way to control people is to keep them dependent. Obama knows that. He has studied it his entire adult life. And you have given him the keys to the country. Laughable if not so sad.
I don't think the aliens will care about this one.....(sm)
He's just going to let us in on the *ghostly* songs of Rick James. ROFL..
check this out:
http://www.ghostweb.com/rense.html
I don't think the aliens will care about this one.....(sm)
He's just going to let us in on the *ghostly* songs of Rick James. ROFL..
Check this out. The man has soooo many talents..
http://www.ghostweb.com/rense.html
Hey, the aliens could be true too :-) It's a big universe out there...lol (nm)
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Another murder
Yet another illegal shot and killed a mother of 3 in front of her kids according to our area news headlines this morning. Seems he had been arrested numerous times in California, deported once and now ends up in Arkansas. I think all the bleeding heart liberals should take over paying for their health care, kids, food stamps, and their public defenders. It just makes me sick.
did I say murder?
1 a: a moral discourse, statement, or lesson b: a literary or other imaginative work teaching a moral lesson2 a: a doctrine or system of moral conduct bplural : particular moral principles or rules of conduct3: conformity to ideals of right human conduct4: moral conduct : virtue
That's taking it a bit out there, isn't it? You took a simple statement aimed at SEXUAL morality - which obviously was too much for you to comprehend - and defended your stance with broad-based BS. It's my fault teenagers are having sex? Hahahahahahaha...........yep, Bill's right. Why don't you adopt those millions of babies if you are so worried about them - obviously the people having abortions do not want them. It's okay to go to Iraq and kill millions of innocent civilians but abortion is murder? What an oxyMORON. Might as well advocate torture while you are at it.
Go Nascar! If you had the money Obama did, you wouldn't spend it on your kids? Is it any of your business? BTW, that was not a shot at Palin's daughter - it was a point in fact. I feel sorry for that poor girl being paraded around in front of millions of people. Look at her eyes. She's terrified. How awful. They knew perfectly well what they were doing when they dug Palin out of the hat and they knew perfectly well her daughter was pregnant. M-A-N-I-P-U-L-A-T-I-O-N.
Beat that drum.......someone might listen
It's not right for us to murder
but God takes lives all the time and he does it in various ways. He can certainly use another one of his creation to take a life. He's going to take many lives one day. Woman have the right to chose sex, birth control. They have the right to avoid pregnancy. They do not have a right to kill their unborn. It's kind of hypocritical to say you're against murder but, on the other hand, you're happy he can no longer kill any more babies. Maybe, with luck, in a few years he would have died from disease but that wouldn't have helped all the unborn during the interim. He's the exact opposite of Kevorkian. These unborn babies don't get a say in their death sentence. Kevorkian only kills adults who wish to die. Big difference.
Abortion is murder....
plan and simple. People scream and complain about the war and how we are killing innocent people.....yet they never seem to focus on the innocent children who are murdered by their mothers every day in our own country. Those are the real baby killers. That is a human life that you are getting rid of....disposing off like it is trash.
It amazes me how a pregnant woman can be killed and it is considered a double homicide and yet other pregnant woman can go kill the baby themselves at a clinic and that is okay.....no big deal. Talk about a contradiction. I living thing is a living thing whether it is still in the womb or not. You kill it.....you are a murderer!!!
Murder charges for 3 U.S. soldiers..sm
I have mixed feelings about this y'all. There is no doubt in my mind that mental issues are involved given the situation. However, they could have just been following orders. Or, worse just murdered the Iraqis on their own volition and threatened a fellow soldier.
Definitely worth the investigation, which sends the message that we (the US) does not tolerate this type behavior from our soldiers.
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Murder charges for 3 U.S. soldiers
They are accused of killing 3 Iraqis
Julian E. Barnes, Los Angeles Times
Tuesday, June 20, 2006
(06-20) 04:00 PDT Washington -- Three U.S. soldiers have been charged with the premeditated murder of three Iraqi detainees as well as with threatening the life of a fellow soldier who they feared would challenge their accounts of the deaths, military officials said Monday.
The three Americans were identified as staff Sgt. Raymond L. Girouard, Spc. William B. Hunsaker and Pfc. Corey R. Clagett, all members of the 3rd Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division. They were charged with shooting the detainees May 9 during a military operation near Thar Thar Canal in Salahuddin province north of Baghdad.
A murder conviction in the military carries the possibility of the death penalty. The accused soldiers are being held in Kuwait, a Pentagon official said. No personal information was available Monday about the soldiers.
The latest charges come as the military is conducting a separate investigation of the killing of 24 civilians in Haditha in November. Military investigators are examining possible murder charges against a group of Marines for those deaths. In addition, seven other marines and a Navy corpsman are being held in the brig at Camp Pendleton (San Diego County) in connection with the death of an Iraqi man in another town, Hamandiya. Since the start of the Iraq war, the military has brought criminal charges against at least 20 other service members in deaths of Iraqis.
Military officials first mentioned the Salahuddin investigation in a brief news release June 16. But details of how the three soldiers shot the men, near the Muthana Chemical Complex, have remained sketchy. The military has not said why the three Iraqis were being detained.
In addition to murder, the soldiers were charged with conspiracy and with threatening another soldier. Military officials said the accused initially reported they shot the detainees while they were trying to flee.
But that account was contradicted by a junior soldier who saw the shooting. Defense Department charge sheets released Monday identify the object of the threats as Bradley Mason, an Army private first class. The legal papers do not specify whether Mason is the soldier who witnessed the killings.
The accused soldiers are charged with threatening to kill Mason on May 29, as the group was traveling from its own operating base to Camp Speicher, near Tikrit, where the Criminal Investigation Division has an office.
You better not say anything, or I swear I will kill you, Girouard allegedly told Mason, according to charge sheets.
Girouard is accused of threatening to kill Mason six different times in the weeks after the detainees died. Hunsaker is accused of threatening Mason four times, and Clagett twice.
They face a hearing to determine if there is enough evidence for a court-martial. The first proceeding, known as an Article 32 hearing, is likely several weeks away, a military officer said.
The military has not executed anyone since April 1961, but nine people are on death row, including a sergeant in the 101st Airborne who killed two officers and wounded 14 soldiers in Kuwait in March 2003.
Laws protecting from murder
Yes, this country does have laws that protect citizens from being murdered.
A "citizen" is defined someone who "is born or naturalized in the United States."
Fetuses, embryos, etc. aren't born or naturalized. The issue of when life begins is akin to the "chicken/egg" question and will never be answered to the satisfaction of everyone. It relies mostly on religious views, and one's religious views shouldn't be forced on someone else who may not believe the same.
Again, I believe in minding my own business and NOT judging someone who may have or has had an abortion because it's none of my business.
If you don't believe in abortion, then I guess the simplest answer is: Don't have one.
My conscience tells me that it is murder.....sm
and that is even apart from what my religious beliefs tell me. I believe in life at the moment of conception as I stated in my post above. I won't go into all that again.
As far as amounts and agencies and how monies from my taxes and every one else's taxes are distributed to help provide medical care for those who receive free (to them) medical care, of course I can't provide that. I am not privy to where each of my tax dollars go and how much of it is spent on various government agencies or governmental salaries, etc., and neither do you. Funny, though, you're not asking Obama to produce his birth certificate or from whom he received campaign contributions, huh.
You're right--that's why noone ever goes to prison for murder. nm
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No, most of those murder enough babies legally as well.....
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Since when do fishers of men advocate plotting murder?
Are you serious, or have you truly lost the ability to disagree with someone - no matter how corrupt - if he SHARES your political agenda?
The fact he described Zarqawi's death is *murder*
is a big clue that he supported what Zarqawi.
We murder 4000 innocent babies by abortion each
and every day, 50 million total so far in this country and counting, and now we will pay for abortions worldwide. Social Security is bankrupt but would not be if those 50 million innocent children had had a choice for life. No one can deny that fact.
Add it up: Abortion kills 4000 innocent babies each day. Queers do not populate.
I would definitely say we are practicing population control, and Obama gonna see we practice worldwide.
Printing money we dont have? Borrowing money
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It takes money to make money. nm
Still not illegal
I agree with Lila that I believe abortion is immoral but it's not illegal. Legality is a tangible thing and not an opinion.
but just because you think it should be illegal
doesn't mean that it IS illegal. U.S. law does not hinge on whether you think something should be illegal, although you certainly affect that outcome by your vote.
Democrat, relativism will not work here. Your opinion on what reality should be does not make that reality so. I imagine a world where no unborn babies are killed, but I realize that it may never happen AND I acknowledge at this very moment that abortion is legal whether I like the fact or not.
and this is illegal?
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And these will be some of the illegal
big O elected, should it happen.
then that is illegal -
grant money does not have to be counted as income, but you cannot turn around and count tuition as an expense if you received the grant money.
It adds up though with just the EIC to a lot of money without adding in that other stuff.
It really makes me sick! I believe in having programs to help people with childcare, food expenses, housing expense, etc., but I don't believe in just handing money to someone because they have the misfortune of making less money.
It is not fair and it has been abused too much!
THAT's what you got out of this...... not the law the illegal
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I don't know of any illegal immoral war
This war was approved by our own elected officials in the house and senate. I won't even start on the immoral part, because you really know that's bunk too.
The fact is the war is not illegal
It went through all appropriate channels, and we have NEVER agreed with the U.N. to approve all military actions through them. We do have agreements, but we have NEVER given the U.N. the authority to tell us whether we will go to war or not. The congress has ultimate authority to approvate any military action we pursue, period. They approved it, so it's completely legal.
That's how W got elected! U mean that was illegal! Huh!
Can't imagine the pubs doing anything illegal.,,,,,,,
Coz that is illegal under campaign
finance law. Maybe McCain can allow homeless to stay in one of his 11 homes when he and Cindy are out flying in their personal jet?
not illegal, but definitely unethical
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shouldn't have said illegal, but
does all that make you think this election is going to be legitimate? Why, oh why can't people just do things straight up and let the people really be heard. I am sick of the whole thing, and honestly do not believe it really matters who wins either way... they are all politicians
Illegal immigrants.....
It is estimated that there are 10 million illegal immigrants in the US.
I bet it has to be to some advantage for the US, otherwise they would be persecuted more severely.
What do you expect from an illegal? (sm)
He's probably trying to get McCain to lend him his birth certificate.
no, they were not an illegal alien, are you? nm
no, not an illegal alien, are you? nm
How many think you should bail out illegal
Unfortunately, there is no illegal prohibition against it
nm
Suicide is illegal.....
but how do you prosecute? sorry, but I find this morbidly funny. If someone wants to end their life, they will.
oh..he did a few things unethical and illegal
Getting information about his blind trust investments and also cashing in stock within two weeks before his father and brother owned hospital corporations stock was devalued. Like what Martha Stewart did..Got an inside tip. He denied he ever knew what was in his blind trust, however, the new head of the SEC said Frist was given many updates on what stocks he had and how they were doing, which is a no no as being a lawmaker he could easily sway laws to benefit the companies he has invested in.
If illegal, immoral war is genocide, then yes.
be escorted to France.
Show me in law were pre-emptive war is illegal
Please pray tell, because the executive, judicial, legislative branches all disagree with you on that one. Sorry
It's morally illegal in my opinion...nm
illegal health care
I so agree with you on this. I typed a lot of reports a while back that are similar to what you are typing. Also, I thought it funny how many illegal adults were getting care through the hospital as well. The only way I knew this was those who were illegal did not have SS# when every other patient did. It's sad. I took a 2nd full-time job just so I could have insurance!
We are not funding an illegal immoral war...
we are funding our troops in combat sent there by our duly elected Congress. There is nothing illegal about that. If you are suggesting we withdraw funding from our troops who are in combat, that is definitely UNpatriotic and I would venture to say borders on treason. And what a nice message to send to our men and women in harm's way..."you are dying for nothing in an illegal immoral war and you are taking money we could be using for extending entitlements higher up the income ladder." Yeah, that is patriotic. Oh yeah. Ask a soldier how patriotic that is. You, my friend, need to buy a vowel and get a clue yourself.
And please, stop with the name calling. Your post was was judgmental, so pot calling the kettle black there. The last 4 years you have had a Congress controlled by Democrats, so any "ruining" that has been done during this time certainly has had Dem help.
All of the front-running Dem candidates, Clinton, Obama and Edwards...all said at the New Hampshire debate they could not commit to having the troops out of Iraq by 2013, so for all their posturing, they are not going to end the war either.
Protest may be patriotic...so should be good taste and basic care about how men and women in harm's way perceive what they hear you say and do. But of course...you don't care about that...and to me that is the height of selfishness. It is more important for you to protest than it is to support men and women in combat. In what alternate reality can you find that patrotic?
Get a grip. This is illegal and against the constitution. nm
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No, it wasn't right. It's unfair, & illegal.
If Mrs. M thinks Fox is illegal and Rush too, obviously she's not for...
free speech, and that is Marxism, socialism, and communism.
The fairness doctrine is fair only to the far left media.
All your civil liberties will go down the tubes, and obama supporters could care less.
Ignorance at its finest.
Doesn't mean I want it to be illegal at all stages because (sm)
I know what the dire consequences of that would be as well. But there has to be a limit.
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