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....and you obviously are not able to follow simple rules of courtesy and good manners in addition to the rules of this board. It seems your need to deride, disdain, mock and make fun of the liberal posters on a liberal board is something that you cannot control. You might wish to ponder at some point why you feel the compelling need for cruelty. It does not win us over, but rather is a very poor advertisement for your far right-wing beliefs.

As far as who I am, I am the same as every other poster - anonymous with a made-up moniker. It is NOT a good idea to post our real names on a public forum and I would advise you or anyone else against it, unless you have an extremely common name.

that the US tortured prisoners. He said we won't ever torture prisoners AGAIN. He stood around and allowed that to happen -- he the man who wants all to remember his pow experience?

I guess you could say I have not walked in a black person's shoes. However, don't for one second think that I have never felt racism. I've seen the glares and dirty looks aimed in my direction by black people. I've given smiles to strangers who instead of smiling back would glare hatefully at me. I've said, "I have a nice day," to people who have either given me a dirty look or turned their back to me.

I was at a hospital visiting my dying father when I left with my son to get something to eat. My son is very young and has a developmental delay. A black mother and her daughter walked onto the elevator with us. My son, not knowing any better, looked at the little girl and commented that she was brown. Without even thinking I said, "Yes she is. Isn't she beautiful!" The mother gave me the dirtiest look.

know why she left. Your "Sue Ann" worship is more sickening than the admiration of Obama who has actual character attributes and accomplishments to admire - not just some little mind that agrees with yours. Grow up.

Are you watching the CNN coverage? It's like the ONLY reason today is an 'historic event' is the color of O's skin. If that's why you voted for him, fine, but at least have the guts to admit it.

Let's not forget that O's family had DIDDLY to do with Civil Rights movement, so there's NO REASON to dub him the new MLK. (CNN just called him 'The Healer' which makes me want to vomit.)

His father was African, not African-American, so he has ZERO claim to the whole 'we've been oppressed for six hundred years' BS. His family was more likely slave OWNERS than slaves.

He is NOT Lincoln. He is NOT Kennedy. He is NOT MLK. Of course, those men all have something in common......

I saw very little admirable, factual, interesting or thoughtful in his post. If all these people admire him, like you say, this country is in more trouble than I thought.

Obama Calls on Bush To Admit Iraq Errors

'Limited' Troop Reduction Urged

By Peter Slevin

Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 23, 2005; Page A03

CHICAGO, Nov. 22 -- Sen. Barack Obama said President Bush should admit mistakes in waging the Iraq war and reduce the number of troops stationed there in the next year. But the Illinois Democrat, a longtime opponent of the war, said U.S. forces remain part of a solution in the bitterly divided country and should not be withdrawn immediately.

Without citing specific numbers, Obama called for a limited drawdown of U.S. troops that would push the fragile Iraqi government to take more responsibility while deploying enough American soldiers to prevent the country from exploding into civil war or ethnic cleansing or a haven for terrorism.

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) greets well-wishers at the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations after he said the administration has not given straight answers to critical questions on Iraq. (By Jeff Roberson -- Associated Press)

Obama also faulted the administration for tarring its critics as unpatriotic naysayers and said it launched the war to topple Saddam Hussein in March 2003 without giving either Congress or the American people the full story.

Straight answers to critical questions. That's what we don't have right now, the high-profile freshman senator told the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations. Members of both parties and the American people have now made clear that it is simply not enough for the president to simply say 'We know best' and 'Stay the course.'

As other Democrats are finding their voice against Iraq policy, Obama took an approach closer to one taken by Senate Foreign Relations Committee colleague Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) than to that of Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.). Murtha, a former Marine, called last week for an immediate pullout of nearly 160,000 U.S. troops.

Four prospective Democratic presidential candidates -- Biden, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.) and former North Carolina senator John Edwards -- have advocated a more gradual approach, with no sudden steps. Biden called Monday for the withdrawal of 50,000 troops by the end of next year and all but 20,000 to 40,000 out by January 2008.

Obama told the audience of about 500 people that the war has siphoned assets from homeland security and the global anti-terrorism fight. He said the administration's attempt to equate the defeat of the Iraqi insurgency with the defeat of international terrorism is overly narrow and dangerously short-sighted.

In a 35-minute speech scheduled just days ago, Obama argued that public opinion has raced ahead of politicians in seeking a clearly etched policy that helps produce stability in Iraq and the Middle East without exposing the United States to a war without end -- a war where our goals and our strategies drift aimlessly, regardless of the cost in lives or dollars spent.

Those of us in Washington have fallen behind the debate that is taking place across America on Iraq. We are failing to provide leadership on this issue, Obama said.

He maintained that Bush could take politics out of the Iraq discussion once and for all if he would simply go on television and say to the American people: 'Yes, we made mistakes. Yes, there are things I would have done differently. But now that I'm here, I'm willing to work with both Republicans and Democrats to find the most responsible way out.'

I will admit that there are

Obama Calls on Bush To Admit Iraq Errors

'Limited' Troop Reduction Urged