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I thought Brunson made a good point down below.

Posted By: Lydia on 2007-02-12
In Reply to: What does a person who feels the war is wrong do then? sm - Democrat

One of the reasons the antiwar protesters have not been taken more seriously is that they have personalized this against Bush and not against war.  I do think it is possible to separate the two.  But I also think that protesting in the streets puts our military at risk, in fact I know that it does.  The pen is a mighty weapon.  Senators and congressmen and women want to be reelected.  Sitting in front of the WH with a bullhorn and shouting obscenities and name calling to the President of the United States is not going to ever work.  And it shows a distinct lack of respect, if not for the man, then for the office and the White House itself. 


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Good post. I think you made your point!
Go McCain/Palin 2008
Good, I made my point, but I won't move on.
Too bad for you.
Do I need some kind of motive to post what I thought was a good read..and your point is..
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I thought Brunson's reponse was succint and summed...
it all up. And for you to assume on the basis of one post the quality of a person certainly goes a long way to defining the quality of yourself. I do not think Brunson cares to debate the issue...opinion was stated, succint and summed it up.

You have a good day now.
Thought this was good so I thought I'd share

Down the drain?  Beware of Obama's plan to 'spread the wealth around'


By Betsy Newmark
High School History and Government Teacher/Blogger


If the McCain campaign can’t use this Obama quote to raise doubts about his attitude towards wealth and success, then they deserve the shellacking they seem headed for.


“Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?” the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed “more and more for fulfilling the American dream.”


“It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too,” Obama responded. “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”


Plumbers of the country, unite! Forget about the work and effort you put into building up a business or the scummy work that you do that many of us don’t know or don’t want to do. If you have succeeded, you should be willing to give up more of what you earn to help those who haven’t had the great good luck that you have had to be a successful plumber. Remember how Obama is going to give 95% of all of us a tax cut even though over 30% of the population doesn’t pay taxes?



He might call it a tax credit, but what he’s really doing is his vision of “spreading the wealth around.” It sounds a lot like Huey Long’s 1935 plan to “Share the Wealth.” And when he finds that he can’t tax the top 5% of the population to gain enough wealth to spread to the 95% of the rest of us, do you really think that he’ll stop with that 5%?


Remember…This is the guy who said in the ABC debate during the primary season that his approach to raising tax on capital gains is not based on whether it would provide more revenue but on his idea of what is fair:


GIBSON: All right. You have, however, said you would favor an increase in the capital gains tax. As a matter of fact, you said on CNBC, and I quote, “I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton,” which was 28 percent. It’s now 15 percent. That’s almost a doubling, if you went to 28 percent.


But actually, Bill Clinton, in 1997, signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20 percent.


OBAMA: Right.


GIBSON: And George Bush has taken it down to 15 percent.


OBAMA: Right.


GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down.


So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?


OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.


Just what we need in these fragile economic times — a guy who wants to raise taxes because he thinks it’s a matter of “fairness” and time to “spread the wealth around.”


That will be some incentive for other plumbers who want to work hard and build up a successful business.


But don’t worry - according to Joe Biden, it’s the patriotic thing to do.


I agree. thought she made a total
jerk of herself, and did she imply he did not work hard for every advance he has made in the military! These people should learn to have some civility. It apparently is the going thing now to demoralize and humiliate people. I wonder why our kids are turning into rabid packs at their schools?
Yes! You made my point exactly
They just keep shipping the jobs out until eventually we'll be left with millions of doctors and lawyers!! And who wants that?! :)

Seriously, something has to be done about this. Unfortunately, quite a few politians are paid by these big companies that make profits by off-shoring. We have to start putting major pressure on them to stop.
You just made my point..........
Narrow minded people always assume, as the Obama supporters have, if you ain't for their guy, you must be for McCain. I couldn't stand either one of them. The populace, to include illegals, all ran to Obama and for what? Because they think the government is supposed to take care of them.

When I see people on this board griping and whining about one or the other parties, it amazes me why they gripe at all. They obviously don't care about this country at all, just themselves. I doubt most of them even bother to research anything for themselves. They let their TV screen do all their thinking for them, as now Obama will do for them.
You have just proved the point I made below

While I don't agree with your opinion 100 percent at least you can talk to us without making anything we say personal, A.W. and Carla cannot.


I'll agree that some had a visceral hatred of Clinton.  I never did personally.  I didn't vote for him, did not think he was a good president, but I didn't walk around everyday blaming everything bad in my life on him either.  I disliked by his personal example that he lowered the morality level in our country several notches, and yes, I do think that he should have been thrown out of office for #1) having sexual favors performed just outside the oval office by someone other than his wife, and #2) then looking in the face of every American and lying about it (#2 being the damning impeachable offense).


At this point I haven't seen proof that Bush has done anything impeachable.  I think Bush has done some good things while in office and has also done some things I don't agree with.  However, if I support the president in any way then I'm accused of bowing down and worshipping at his feet by A.W. and Carla, and let's not forget the late-to-this-board gt.  Their reactions are way beyond the rational although it is understandable why Carla may have these strong feelings given what she's gone through this year.  I think she may be misdirecting some of her anger though.


 


You have made your point, move on.nm
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Glenn could not have made his point
better! MSNBC picked up on the show so quickly, along with all the regular critics, they really spread his message for him. They are such a great advertising firm for him and Bill-O! Thanks for posting it on here!
Yep, MSNBC made a point of going over that
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I respectfully disagree on one point you made:

*...most of us on the liberal board do not buy *impending doom* theory that you live by.*


I personally will be fearful of *impending doom* for the next 3 years.  If I/we can get through that, then I'll be able to relax (a little) as hopefully more Americans will come to their senses.


Starcat made a very valid point.

You don't tolerate irresponsibility when it comes to pet owners (which I agree with, by the way), yet you seem to welcome it when it comes to your political party.  One has to ask why you continue to sing the praises of and support the most irresponsible administration in US history, yet you express outrage about a cat owner.  Just doesn't make sense.


And as far as you being tolerant, one only needs to take a quick look at the conservative board to see how laughable that really is.  You and your cohorts post the most intolerant posts I've ever seen anywhere on the internet.


I do agree with you about pet owners being responsible.  I am a pet owner and keep my pets under control simply because I love them and want to keep them safe. 


See? You're proving the very point made about
right wing rage. Sure hope you and your fanatic friends don't all own guns......
You just made my point.....shouldn't they be protected
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No, Duck, not made up, and you fail to miss my point...
I think the dems are missing a LOT of points with Obama's plans for us...
I made my point. Reading comprension problem?
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LOL...that one made everyone look good.

Again my point is made - you just like arguing and bashing people that don't agree with you
Your bringing up a dead subject while shouting it at us. You started an abortion post on 8/25 and bashed everyone who didn't agree with you, and you were bashing people on 8/22 about the same subject. Everytime someone brought up their viewpoint you be arguing or bashing them. The point I (and others) are making is you keep bringing this up again and again and again and again and when people don't agree with you you bash them, then when they come back to say something you bash them even more. Then when we finally get a break and have new topics, you start another post about the abortion thing again. The abortion issue is getting tiring for all. We know what abortions are, how horrible they are, and we know how babies are made and the stages of their lives (we are MT's and all took the course) but you feel the need to keep it up and up and up and it's getting real old. Besides that it looks like you are posting under other names and then answering yourself.

I want to read people's opinions and questions of issues we are facing. Abortion is not one of them for most of us. Let it go and move on. What I am trying to say is that while I'd like to hear your viewpoints on other issues enough with the abortion and try and not be so argumentative all the time.

Yes, we all have the right to post things, but it looks like you are posting just for the sake of arguing and we're all getting tired of it.

So go ahead bash me some more.
I think she made a good choice up until
she gave one of her reasons as Palin's Penecostal faith which I do not believe should be a consideration.  I am not a Pentecostal, a professed Methodist, although I don't believe all of their teachings. I would not vote for ANY candidate just because they happened to say they were of the Methodist faith.
Just thought I would point out that a few days ago or so, an Obama
supporter actually used the snarky kool aid and cult lines towards me because of my views regarding the end times and Obama's and America's role.  I think it went something like "talk about drinking the kool aid..."  Funny how when the shoe is on the other foot, it's inflammatory and hateful!  But no one said boo, not even me I might add, when someone basically threw those insults at me.  That knife cuts both ways sista!  OUCH!
The point is Obama NEVER thought it was important
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Good point, good post. Thanks.

That's good to hear. The link made it seem credible. nm
  
Looks like the good people of Connecticut made the right choice. sm
In a conference call with reporters Wednesday night, Cheney implied that US Senator Joe Lieberman's (D-CT) loss to anti-war challenger Ned Lamont was a victory for al Qaeda types.

If Lieberman is neocon friendly, you want to definitely aim the Raid can in his direction.

Want to take a wild guess on who Cheney meant by al Qaeda types? Christianne Amanpour from CNN is comparing 911 truthers and liberals to al Qaeda and the alleged terrorist threat yesterday.
Thought this was a good one....

    In a local restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence. 


    When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The
server angrily stormed from my sight. 


  I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful. 


  At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I
realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient needed the money more. 


  I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

    

      

      

    

    

   


George Soros is having "a very good recession". Made $2.9 billion.

So, this "man of the people" who funds the loony left and wants all the rest of us to be communists rakes in $billions from the recession.  He's out there picking up stuff at bargain-basement prices just like JP Morgan and his kind did.


Disgusting.


And past the theatrics, I thought he did a good job...
and I don't want to get a firestorm started, but it was right down the Democratic line, same things I heard from Hillary, from Bill for his 8 years, Carter (and we know how that turned out)....it was not his usual "change" speech. I guess in deference to the party. I don't know.

But, I admit it, I disagree with too many Democrat policies to vote for any Democrat when they are hard-liners. There is no give there, no willingness to work with the other side...and frankly, we will NEVER go forward no matter WHO is President until politicians are willing to put the COUNTRY first, not the PARTY. And I mean that for both sides. In spades!
Good point...sm
There is no blaming liberals for Bush's inaction. He hasn't paid us any attention for the past 6 years, so anything that he has done is of his own accord, including the handling of the war in Iraq.

Suzie mentioned not taking out al Sadr above (sound familiar?).

Good point
I remember a disagreement several of us had with our pastor years ago. Several folks were talking about leaving. One of the elders told us, "You don't leave, I don't leave, this is our church, not his. He needs to remember that he works for us, not the other way around." Brought lots of things into perspective for me.
Good point
Yeah, they are both raking in the dough, but why should Hillary or anyone be forced to pay our health care costs? Your right, the post makes no sense.
Good point - :-)
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Good point. nm
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Good for you! Well-said and to-the-point, too.
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Good point. nm
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Good point! nm

Good point :-) nm
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Good point - He won by only 4%
They did not get 100% of the vote and he did not win by a landslide. I would say more like "squeaked by".
Good point there
Many of the people that carry on about the sanctity of human life have no problem rushing out during hunting season to bag their quota of wildlife, no problem trashing the environment/planet for profit, etc.  Either all life is sacred, or none is, IMHO.
good point s/m
Methodists share that belief  as do most protestant churches I believe.  I don't believe that politics has any place in the pulpit. 
Good point....nm
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Good point
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You have a good point there..........sm
By comparison, what I meant was that if he fails to bring us out of this downward spiral we are in then America would fail. I was looking at it as if Obama was doing what was the best thing for this country, and certainly, none of what he has accomplished thus far has been for the good of the country. I stand corrected!
Good point. (nm)
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That is a very good point.
All the sex and drugs that goes along with rock n roll.  There is always going to be something you don't approve of one way or another whether it be who they sleep with or how much drugs they do.  I would not deprive myself of good music just because that particular artist is gay. 
I thought he gave a good speech. I hope all people listened
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That's a good point and it's true. sm
I am sure all of us have things we do in the name of kindness.  The rest of us just don't talk about it. 
Rush may have a good point here.
From an email I got:

 

 

"Love him or loathe him, he nailed this one right on the head..........

By Rush Limbaugh:

I think the vast differences in compensation between victims of the September 11 casualty and those who die serving our country in Uniform are profound.  No one is really talking about it either, because you just don't criticize anything having to do with September 11. Well , I can't let the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbing about the entitlement mentality of this country. If you lost a family member in the September 11 attack, you're going to get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million.
If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier kill ed in action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half of which is taxable.

Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry. And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt.

Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it's not enough. Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers. (Actually, soldiers are put in harms way by politicians and commanding officers.)

We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same deal that the September 11 families are getting. In addition to that, some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation as well.

You see where this is going, don't you? Folks, this is part and parcel of over 50 years of entitlement politics in this country. It's just really sad. Every time a pay raise comes up for the military, they usually receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live in low-rent housing. Make sense?

However, our own US Congress voted themselves a raise. Many of you don't know that they only have to be in Congress one time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month. And most are now equal to being millionaires plus. They do not receive Social Security on retirement beca use they didn't have to pay into the system.  If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7, they may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed them in harm's way receives a pension of $15,000 per month.

I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now fighting.

Good point - forgot about that
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oh, good comeback. What is the point
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