I think you would be very surprised at how the troops see you, Lilly.
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LOL Lilly!!
Supreme Court material all right! Only in their minds could sinful New Orleans being replaced by a new coastal Las Vegas show the hand of a mighty and righteous God. Maybe that mighty and righteous God of Free Booze and Casino Bucks, but no other one I know of.
Lilly, obviously this is
No one said the troops did not deserve body armor. No one. In fact, I said that they did and if you could send it to them, do so. But this isn't about sending things to the troops. You simply cannot separate in your mind the total selflessness of letting go all of your political feelings to do the right thing. It isn't about junk food and cigarettes as you so glibly state and even when I outlined the things they are asking for, you continued with the same line of attack. But you can't quite make it to the point of selflessness. It's dogma, attack, and self-centeredness. The troops don't need to hear from you. They want uplifting letters from home. Letters of support, love, and gratefulness. Please don't write them. Please don't grudgingly send them a package of junk food and cigarettes. They know who is genuine and who is not. Because you can no longer pretend to care for the troops. That much is very clear.
Thanks, Lilly. I appreciate it!
HI Lilly!
Great to see you posting, Lilly. I missed ya! :o)
You're welcome, Lilly.
I don't know if Bush is the anti-Christ (I would tend to think he isn't, as he is not the brightest bulb in the box), but I do know that Satan does not work alone. I also know that there are those who theorize that Bush and his followers would like to bring about the apocalypse and the rapture, because they think they have some divine purpose and God has prepared somem special place just for them. Who knows? What I DO know is that we are (and many agree with me) headed down a pretty scary road. What's more, I just plain can't stand holier-than-thou fingerwagging and hypocrisy in the name of God. But then Christ himself warned of false prophets, as he knew them all too well.
Not surprised at all. Scary, but not surprised.
God help us all get through the next three years.
I'm surprised that you're surprised.
You really thought voting for the O was going to produce a miracle, that things were going to be different? Better, maybe? Wow.
Not surprised at all by the violence. Only surprised
People are p****d, especially the middle class. They can't bend much further without snapping. My prediction is that if the US gov'mt. keeps letting all the bank and stockmarket criminals off with just a slap on the wrist, eventually the public is going to take matters into its own hands. If I were that guy who bilked people out of millions in that Ponzi scheme, I'd be very, very afraid. He should be in jail if for no other reason than his own protection. I'm willing to bet that in the coming year or two, all sorts of s**t is going to start hitting the proverbial fan.
Lilly, check this out per previous
Freedom of the press?
Scott McClellan Says Helen Thomas Opposes 'War on Terrorism'
By E&P Staff
Published: October 13, 2005 3:50 PM ET
NEW YORKQuestions today from longtime White House reporter Helen Thomas caused White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan to declare that she opposes the war on terrorism. His response caused one of Thomas's colleagues, Terry Moran, to leap to her defense.
Here is the exchange from the official transcript:
THOMAS What does the President mean by total victory -- that we will never leave Iraq until we have total victory? What does that mean?
McCLELLAN: Free and democratic Iraq in the heart of the Middle East, because a free and democratic Iraq in the heart of the Middle East will be a major blow to the ambitions --
THOMAS If they ask us to leave, then we'll leave?
MR. McCLELLAN: I'm trying to respond. A free and democratic Iraq in the heart of the broader Middle East will be a major blow to the ambitions of al Qaeda and their terrorist associates. They want to establish or impose their rule over the broader Middle East -- we saw that in the Zawahiri letter that was released earlier this week by the intelligence community.
THOMAS They also know we invaded Iraq.
McCLELLAN: Well, Helen, the President recognizes that we are engaged in a global war on terrorism. And when you're engaged in a war, it's not always pleasant, and it's certainly a last resort. But when you engage in a war, you take the fight to the enemy, you go on the offense. And that's exactly what we are doing. We are fighting them there so that we don't have to fight them here. September 11th taught us --
THOMAS It has nothing to do with -- Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
McCLELLAN: Well, you have a very different view of the war on terrorism, and I'm sure you're opposed to the broader war on terrorism. The President recognizes this requires a comprehensive strategy, and that this is a broad war, that it is not a law enforcement matter.
Terry.
TERRY MORAN On what basis do you say Helen is opposed to the broader war on terrorism?
McCLELLAN: Well, she certainly expressed her concerns about Afghanistan and Iraq and going into those two countries. I think I can go back and pull up her comments over the course of the past couple of years.
MORAN And speak for her, which is odd.
McCLELLAN: No, I said she may be, because certainly if you look at her comments over the course of the past couple of years, she's expressed her concerns --
THOMAS I'm opposed to preemptive war, unprovoked preemptive war.
MR. McCLELLAN: -- she's expressed her concerns.
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I agree Lilly, especially about the moral decline...
Child molestation is on the top of the list for moral decline.
Yes, I just bet you are surprised. nm
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Thank you! I'm not a bit surprised
unfortunately. 
Why am I not surprised?
Is anyone really surprised
by the ***leak*** of the NIE document. I remember Bob Graham, senator from my state, Florida, standing on the floor of congress and predicting this almost verbatim. Many of us agreed with him. Many who did not have changed their minds over the years. I don't find any of this **breaking news.**
Now, why am I not surprised?
But as a self-professed "Bush fan", I would expect nothing less.
Are you surprised? sm
Just more of O's "transparent" tactics. When the questions get tough, he hides behind his standard "I had no idea that was going on" statement.
I was always taught and have always believed that you are known by the company you keep. All of his associates, past and present, have been crooks, liars, bomb builders and just basic scum bags.
I would be surprised if it did.
At this point, the House Repubs need to propose a new bill, since the old one was too unpopular for even the Dems to sell to their constituency.
But the Dems have to save face by not letting the Repubs get credit for putting together a more favorable bill.
I suspect in the end it will be a bill quite similar to the one already voted down, with a few more consessions in the taxpayers' favor.
Of course, both sides will take credit.
Both sides will blame the other for the crisis in the first place.
And both will be corret.
Why am I not surprised
www.BlackBoxVoting.org
Also, watch the DVD "Uncounted" -- a real eye-opener.
The link below is to one of the Blackboxvoting forums
Ha ha! Why am I not surprised?!
If nothing else, this election campaign sure has been ENTERTAINING!
I'm not surprised
to hear you bring God into it. You're who Julian Jaynes was talking about when he talked about the unevolved faction of humanity, the ones who have to have literal interpretations of the Bible because they have an under-developed consciousness and have to recreate the "voice of the chief."
If Jesus knew about the offensive slime you spew, he would never stop puking.
And by the way, Obama has said a number of times that he will stop giving tax breaks to companies that offshore.
I, for one, am not surprised by this...sm
I always thought that Obama was a socialist, about two steps from being a marxist, on his way to being a communist.
If true, this goes to show exactly who and what Obama is about.
Chilling, indeed. No wonder I can't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Whenever he's questioned on certain issues, he's too busy trying to sound like not what he is, but still fails miserably.
He sounds like someone hiding something, and it's not pretty.
I'm not surprised
you envision and embrace the negative extreme of everything, given the whole fire & brimstone thing. Good grief. It must be miserable being locked inside that kind of paranoia. You have my sympathy.
I would be surprised
if you had not heard at least a few names on this list, which is, by no means, exhaustive.
Many of the most famous serial killers (e.g., Jeffrey Dahmer, Andrew Cunanan, John Wayne Gacy, Henry Lee Lucas, Ottis Toole, etc.) were homosexuals, but they became widely known due to the nature of their crimes or the identities of their victims, not because they in any way represent serial killers generally.
To name a few:
Gay/Homosexual Serial Killers
Name # of People
Killed Year Killer's Home Location of Murders Notes Birth death
Jeffrey Dahmer 17 1978, 1988-91 Milwaukee Milwaukee and Chicago homosexual cannibal. He was killed by another inmate while in prison. 21 May 1960 28 November 1994
Andrew Cunanan 5 1997 San Diego, Calif. Minnesota; Chicago, IL; South Beach, FL killed fashion designer Gianni Versace 31 August 1969 23 July 1997
Gilles DE Rais 300+ 1430s France France associate of Joan of Arc
Luis Alfredo Garavito 140+ Colombia Colombia Gay serial killer who murdered over 140 boys in Columbia. 25 January 1957
Randy Steven Kraft 65 (est.) 1971 to 1983 Oregon, Michigan, etc. "Score Card Killer"
Michael Swango 35 - 60 1983-97 Ohio, Illinois, New York, South Dakota, Virginia "Doctor of Death" -- killed hospital patients
Andrei Chikatilo 52 until 1992 Russia Russia
Fritz Haarmann 40 (est.) until 1924 Germany Germany "Butcher Of Hanover"
John Wayne Gacy 33 until 1978 Chicago Chicago bisexual; 27 of his victims (young boys he seduced) were found buried in crawlspace under his house. Executed in Joliet, IL. 17 March 1942 10 May 1994
Patrick Wayne Kearney 28+ 1968 to 1977 Redondo Beach, Calif. gay cruising areas of Hollywood
David D. Hill 28? 1968 to 1977 Redondo Beach, Calif. Hollywood Patrick Kearney's lover; confessed to being co-killer with Kearney, but police weren't sure about the extent of his involvement
Hans Grans 27+ until 1924 Germany Germany accommplice and love of Haarmann, the "Butcher Of Hanover"
Wayne Williams 27 1979-81 Atlanta Atlanta Gay serial killer who preyed mostly on young black male hustlers. 27 May 1958
Dean Corll 27 1960s to 1973 Ft. Wayne, Indiana; later Houston, TX Houston, Texas
Elmer Wayne Henley 27 1960s to 1973 Ft. Wayne, Indiana; later Houston, TX Houston, Texas Bisexual. Victims were young boys who he kidnapped and tortured. 9 May 1956
David Owen Brooks 27 1960s to 1973 Ft. Wayne, Indiana; later Houston, TX Houston, Texas
Donald Harvey 25 - 40 (est.) 1970-71 London, Kentucky Kentucky
Juan Corona 25 1971 From Mexico; moved to Yuba City, CA in 1950s Yuba City, Calif. Born in Mexico. All of his victims were men that he first raped, and then killed with a machete over the span of six weeks. Presently resides in Corcoran State Prison. Juan Corona's brother is Natividad, the gay, owner of the Guadalajara cafe in Marysville, CA. 1934
Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo 21 (est.) until 1989 Matamoros, Mexico Matamoros, Mexico "Matamoros Cult Killer"
Larry Eyler 19 1980s Chicago Illinois and Indiana
Huang Yong 17+ 2001-2003 Henan Province, China Henan Province, China Gay. Executed. Murdered boys that he flirted with and picked up at internet cafes. Saved their belts as souvenirs. His 18th victim escaped, leading to his arrest. 1974 26 December 2003
Dennis Nilsen 16 1978-83 U.K. U.K.
Marcelo Costa de Andrade 14 until 1991 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
William Bonin 12+ 1979-80 Orange County, Calif. Orange County, Calif.
Henry Lee Lucas 12+ 1970s and 80s Most in Texas, Southeastern U.S. 23 August 1936 12 March 2001
Ottis Toole 12+ 1970s and 80s West Coast, Florida, etc. accomplice of Henry Lee Lucas
Vaughn Greenwood 11+ 1974-75 Los Angeles Los Angeles
Richard Speck 8+ 1966 Chicago Chicago married, bisexual
Cayetano Hernandez 8 1963 Yerba Buena, Mexico Mexico
Eleazor Solis 8 1963 Monterey, Mexico Mexico
David Bullock 6+ 1981-82 New York City New York
Vernon Butts 6+ 1979-80 Calif. Orange County, Calif. accomplice of William Bonin
Paul Bateson 6 ? (est.) 1977-78 New York City New York City
Marc Dutroux 6 1995-1996 Belgium Belgium Bisexual. He is unusual among gay serial killers, in that his victims were all girls, who he kidnapped and tortured before killing. One of most notorious serial killers in Belgium's history. 6 November 1956
Michael Terry 6 1980-86 Atlanta Georgia, Ohio, South Carolina
Orville Lynn Majors 6 Indiana Vermillion County Hospital, Indiana
Charles Cohen 5+ Delaware Delaware, San Francisco, New York, Miami, and New Orleans
Arthur Gary Bishop 5 1984 Utah Utah Utah serial killer of young boys. Years before his murder spree, in 1978, he had been excommunicated from the LDS Church. Bishop was an active homosexual and was no longer a member of the LDS Church when he became a serial killer. Executed in Utah State Prison. He said of his crimes, "With great sadness and remorse, I realize that I allowed myself to be misled by Satan. Pornography was not the only negative influence in my life, but its effect on me was devastating. I am a homosexual pedophile convicted of murder, and pornography was a determining factor in my downfall." 1951 10 June 1988
Michael Lupo 4+ 1986 from Italy London
Peter Moore 4 1995 north Wales north Wales
Westley Allan Dodd 3+ Washingon Washington, Oregon
David P. Brown
(a.k.a. Nathaniel Bar-Jonah) 3+ 2000 Massachusetts Montana David Paul Brown. Victims were all young boys. 15 February 1957
Charles Manson 3+ 1968-72 Los Angeles Los Angeles Bisexual. One of nation's most famous serial killers. Murdered actress Sharon Tate, the wife of film director Roman Polanski. Deeply interested in the occult. 12 November 1934
David Edward Maust 5+ 1981; 2003 Germany; Galveston, TX (1981); Hammond, IL (2003) Gay. Killed teenage boys, usually by stabbing 5 April 1954
Bruce Davis 2+ 1968-72 Los Angeles Los Angeles Charles Manson accomplice
Erik Menendez 2 20 August 1989 Beverly Hills, CA Beverly Hills, CA with his straight brother Lyle, Erik killed his parents (Jose Menendez and Kitty Menendez). Their trial was a major national news story. 27 November 1971
Although homosexual murderers of single victims are too numerous to list here, a number of particularly famous ones include: Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb (the wealthy and academically bright gay Chicago couple who murdered a boy in 1924 just for fun; their story became one of the nation's most famous murder cases, and was the basis for many movies, including Hitchcock's film "Rope"); Armin Meiwes (the sexually deviant German cannibal known as "Der Metzgermeister" - The Master Butcher, who met a victim over the Internet who he ate and killed); John E. du Pont (the gay member of the wealthy du Pont famil who shot Olympic wrestler David Schultz to death); Gary Hirte (Waupaca, WI high school senior who admitted to killing 37-year-old substitute teacher Glenn Kopitske); Karla Homolka (Canadian lesbian who murdered her own sister). Other notable gay violent criminals include Kenneth Parnell (paid $500 to "purchase" a young black boy named Steven Stayner, who he then raped and kidnapped); John Wojtowicz (whose bank robbery inspired the movie Dog Day Afternoon).
Serial Killers who were Lesbians
Name # of People
Killed Year Killer's Home Location of Murders Notes
Magdalena Solis 8 1963 Monterey, Mexico Mexico
Aileen Wuornos 7+ 1989-90 south of Daytona, Florida Florida killed male "johns"
Tyria Moore 7+ 1989-90 south of Daytona, Florida Florida killed male "johns"
Catherine Wood 6 Grand Rapids, MI Grand Rapids, MI nurse who killed patients
Gwen Graham 6 Grand Rapids, MI Grand Rapids, MI nurse who killed patients
Why am I not surprised...(sm)
The pub way of thinking on this is to go ahead and let those workers lose their jobs, then save the auto industry, and then they can hire back those workers or others without any job security, benefits, etc...
Under republican rule, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer (and that obviously hasn't worked out so well). So, who on this board is getting richer, and if you are getting poorer, can you really afford (financially) to be republican?
Why am I not surprised...(sm)
The pub way of thinking on this is to go ahead and let those workers lose their jobs, then save the auto industry, and then they can hire back those workers or others without any job security, benefits, etc...
Under republican rule, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer (and that obviously hasn't worked out so well). So, who on this board is getting richer, and if you are getting poorer, can you really afford (financially) to be republican?
Yes, it surprised me.
Normally, equality (except for Fox) and sense in her posts.
Can't say I'm surprised........... sm
but I do find it a little ridiculous that they would come down on a Bible study group and not the men's Monday night footbal groups or poker night groups or Cub Scout meetings, etc. This is but one more sad example of how our rights are being stripped away little by little. And before anyone says that Christians should meet in churches only, I would ask what will you do when your rights as a citizen are infringed upon?
Thank God our troops
Okay...so you are okay with troops in ...
Afghanistan...just not in Iraq...?
Yes, has nothing to do with the troops.
And no, it does not make her a resident expert. Explain the differences of opinions amongst our own troops. Not all of them believe what they are doing is justified. Not every mother believes it either. It has nothing at all to do with being prideful of our sons and daughters. My point being is that their job is done. My brother is a gunny and is doing his job, but he no longer feels justified in doing it, and he is not alone. And I believe HIM. If the other poster is a resident expert because her son is in Iraq, then I guess that makes me a resident expert as well, no?
Yes, Liberal Thinker, and proud of it. I have not abandoned compassion. My agenda is to stop this needless war. My compassion is expanded to all not just a few. It started in my brain, and I am letting it spill out my mouth.
Yes. I criticize that with which I do not believe. That is our right is it not?
And last time I looked, this is a political forum, and a liberal forum at that.
It has nothing to do with our troops.
Why are you taken it so personally? You must realize that for every picture of sunshine your son sends you there is one that depicts suffering and starvation and death. I have family fighting it Iraq. It's doesn't change my stance that I feel that they are there unjustly. That's the real deal. Not quite sure how having family there makes you the resident expert. The point to my post was that we shouldn't be there anymore. Our troops have done what the Bush administration wanted done on the initial invasion. Now we are there fighting for an ideal that doesn't exist. So, in that perhaps you don't have a clue. If you son dies at the hands of an insurgent, those same insurgents who benefit from keeping unrest in the country and keeping it destabilized, a situation that our government and you refuse to recognize or better yet do anything about, I wonder if you will feel the same? Would his death be justified then? We are not fighting terrorists anymore in Iraq. They've moved on to other countries. What happens if there is another strike? Our troops are too thin and they are tired. Draft? Getting on your patriotic horse isn't help us end this war any sooner. There is no pride in this war anymore, if there ever was.
We have been paying Pakistan since 2001 to help fight terrorism. They haven't done much with our 10 billion dollars have they? If Al- Qaeda is to blame for Bhutto's death, then Pakistan should deal with it, and I don't believe we should be sending them anymore money. We shouldn't have been sending them money to begin with.
This is a widespread virus of Islamic extremism that we have concentrated mostly in Iraq while Al-Qaeda has gained strength in other countries while our military is being depleted. It is to their benefit this war continues because it destabilizes OUR country. Unless we have a full coalition from other countries to help fight this war, it cannot be won and we are wasting our time and our money on a pipe dream.
We do not have infinite resources to fight a civil unrest that will probably never be rectified. This war was handled poorly from the beginning and it is getting worse by the day.
I don't think YOU are paying attention to what is really go on in Iraq. Do you want your son there indefinitely? How about your son's son? This is a religious war for them, it will never end unless we end it.
You would be surprised how much of what you have said I agree with.
Why surprised that he owns a gun? sm
For a long time, the deep south was largely Democrat and everyone there owns a gun. Al Gore hunts. So does John Kerry.
I should not be surprised by your response. sm
But I have to admit it sickens me more than a little. People like Ward Chamberlain, who has not been found to be a plagiarist, a liar (he is NOT Native American) and he made up his service record, among other things, don't deserve to be defended. Unless you are a socialist and have no problem with liars and thieves. I guess that says it all.
Surprised, but not disappointed
I was a little surprised with the outcome, especially Edward's finish, not at all what I expected. I would be happy with an Obama or a Clinton nomination.
I haven't paid much attention to the republican candidates, yet, but as things progress, you can bet I'll be watching.
Thank you kindly. I was surprised...
by last nght's media coverage of this same debate, particularly with regard to Whoopi and company on The View. Even the most adept of media hate-mongers were relatively civil and talk show guests seemed to be exhibiting an unusual degree of sensitivity.
Whoopi's statement about how the blacks have "taken the word back" from those who would use it to inflict pain was in line with what I was trying to convey. However, equally as impressive was the response by Elisabeth Hasselbeck, a young woman born the same year as my own son (1977), in the post civil rights generation who never really experienced the struggles I described in the previous post.
She was obviously genuinely confused and in real pain as she contributed to the conversation. I find myself haunted by her question regarding "how do we explain this controversy" to our children?" As a soon-to-be senior, I have trouble putting myself in the position of having learned about the civil rights movements from some civics or history text book.
On the one hand, I find myself believing that it is very important to pass this awareness down through the generations that follow us. But when I see that kind of pain in a young woman who is obviously trying her best to understand these issues, I have to wonder if there will come a day when we should try to leave it all behind us and lay it to rest.
I am inclined to believe that for as long as this job remains unfinished (the elimination of discrimination and sustained equality for all Americans in all spheres), it is important that we do not forget, but I am biased because those were MY "good ole days". Some Boomers still take a great deal of pride in having been a part of such vital social change as was accomplished during the 60s and 70s, while others among us seem to have forgotten where they came from, having sold out principles for profits.
In any case, I would be interested in any feedback in this regard, especially from those who learned about my hey days in a history lesson.
surprised to see Mc admit
that the US tortured prisoners. He said we won't ever torture prisoners AGAIN. He stood around and allowed that to happen -- he the man who wants all to remember his pow experience?
I am surprised! You went to Church?....
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I admit I am surprised at your age.
I think the majority of the older people realize what is coming. "Conspiracy" isn't exactly such a bad word for it.
I'm really surprised in Ohio...
I figured Brown would vote yes, but am surprised Voinovich voted no - he's very much a RINO. I guess he figures he's got nothing to lose now that he's decided not to run for reelection.
Not surprised! How depressing
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What surprised me about the backing was
it was on a very, very conservative talk radio, same station that sean Hannity, Neal Bortz on- in fact it was during the Neal Bortz show that this was heard. I was surprised to hear it, much less there so when you say where I supposedly heard it, you are way, way off. As far as the tea party, I had not watched the channels you mentioned in some time. I watch local from Atlanta and none of those channels played it up, neither Fox or the others. That day on all local channels in Atlanta only about 5 minute coverage then. I flipped that day between the others, CNN, MSMBC, Fox and the like and Fox was the only 1 to have it anything on.
Some of them were surprised, but still agreed and
one even thought he was intelligent...all except that one woman who choked.
That's what the troops are supposed to be doing
The key word is *securing.* It's an extreme exaggeration to say that the U.S. was supporting Hezbollah by making sure a Suni and Shiite combined rally did not get out of hand, but it's par for the course of for the dramaticists known as the mainstream media. Poor and misleading reporting is what they specialize in.
Say thanks to the troops...(see link)...sm
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Oh, so that is your message to our troops...
Go to work and do your job. Just live with the protesting and ignore it?
Somehow, I don't think our troops see things that way. sm
I don't think that is a good analogy.
The troops speak
Replying to a post below, I thought this would be a good link in a separate message in case people skip over it below.
The US Military troops speak and here is what they say - 68% for McCain, 23% Obama. Here is the link below.
http://activemilitaryformccain.blogspot.com/
So if you take that, plus Obama has a 5 point lead over McCain in today's polls, plus the 11% who are not decided it is a very close call. November 4th is going to be an excited day for sure.
Yes, hurrah for the troops.....sm
I saw this the other day, and while I do not hold much stock in the mainstream polls that poll the dems 3 or 4:1, I was very heartened to see this story. Of course, I could only find it on Fox, and another military website.
Seems the mainstream media didn't want the rest of the American public to know about it, which is hardly surprising.
At any rate, since I believe the majority of those polled for this study are older military, who most likely are Republican, of course they support John McCain. They know that he is the most able leader for our country in times like these.
I'd also like to post this video again. Dear Mr. Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8
I agree with you about the troops.
I also believe that the REAL disgrace was for them to be sent into a war based on lies and the blind ambitions of the imperial wizard and his henchmen. I also do not believe that a policy based on "saving face" is worth sharing one more drop of blood over...on either side.
I am surprised they showed the signs sm
They actually showed them several times. A lot of people agree with that particular message. I don't agree totally with it, but do find many aspects of the official story suspicious and some of it downright stupid. Usually when there is one lie, there are others so the families request for a new investigation is valid.
The song was a little corny, but like the message. They are definitely right about the manure. I heard a lot of conservatives were there.
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