I think they have been in trouble for some time (sm)

• For those who support the auto bailout........ sm - m
  • the cities are lining up - depression
    • Don't forget about the states. Why - Backwards typist
    • also heard some large publishers in that line.. - cj
      • I heard about this too. - gourdpainter
  • I think they have been in trouble for some time (sm) - Just the big bad
    • I am not in favor of the financial institution bailout either..... sm - m
    • I think Micheal Moore is a lot smarter than most people - gourdpainter
      • mexico car plants - depression
        • Mexican plants - gourdpainter

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That's where we are as a nation, between a rock and hard place.  Suck it up!

if he did nothing?

On the mortgage debacle, I say let the one's who took bit off more than they could chew, fail. They put themselves in this position.

Those that have been paying their mortgages all along and are now trying to keep their homes should be helped since the prices fell so far so fast. 

Bigger is not alwasy better and some people need to learn that the hard way. Home prices went too high to fast. The bubble was bound to burst. Those that bought into those inflated prices that they couldn't afford should not have done it. Look at the couple in FL. They waited and saved to buy their dream home. They wound up buying  a home that was foreclosed on for only $80K. The house had sold to someone for $235,000. 

Why do people need bathrooms as large as a bedroom anyway? Whose idea was that? How long do you spend in a bathroom every day anyway? A tub as big as a swimming pool? a fire place? Terrazine(sp) tile? Subway tile? Granite counters? The cost is outrageous. We went to buy a separate shower for our extra bathroom 5 years ago. It cost $150. We went back a year later and it was up to $450. Needless to say, we still don't have a shower for our extra bathroom.

My list of people who started this housing crap are the developers, the companies who make the products that go into the homes, the real estate agents who put the price tag on the home after the developer gave their price, and the mortgage lenders/banks who pushed the bad loans.

Seems to me he thought he found something and before confirming it, he started appearing on talk shows.  At the most, he knowingly lied and wanted to tell his base what they wanted to hear. 

At the least, he's reckless and sloppy in his approach to things. 

I suppose the true test of his character will be if he comes clean and admits he was wrong.

Other than that, I find it increasingly difficult on a daily basis to understand why some of these politicians do what they do, both Republican and Democrat alike.

I will not vote for someone who wants to create more government assisted programs.  We are in deep crap now because of government spending.  That will only make our economy worse.  All of our money will be put into government programs, the spending will go up instead of down, and all the money we dish out in taxes to pay for all of this crap will most definitely not go towards our deficit.  It will only get bigger than it is now and it is HUGE right now.  There is no way that Obama can only go after rich people and tax them more.  It still wouldn't be enough to pay for all these "plans" he has.  God help us!

NOBAMA!!!

It may just be way too late for Obama to get us out of the horrible mess we are in. We are fiddling while Rome burns - I sound like Chicken Little but indeed the sky IS falling - Frightening!

...."If we can use the Baltic Dry Index (BDI) as a guide for the next 12 months of product delivery and food availability in the stores we shop in then the BDI says shelves will be virtually empty of almost every product we use each and every day. Is the BDI is wrong it will be an historic first. The BDI is used by bankers, financial experts, brokers, traders and everyone in high end finance to assess the global financial condition and the availability of products worldwide. The BDI has dropped 94% in a short few weeks which means raw materials, grains, ores, steel, iron, cement and all imported products for food manufacturing and product manufacturing even though we actually do very little of that here in the US."

Iran's increasingly isolated opposition leader effectively ended his role in street protests, saying he'll seek permits for future rallies. A leading cleric demanded in a nationally broadcast sermon Friday that leaders of the unrest be punished harshly and that some are "worthy of execution."

Though this is the one rare subject on which you and I disagree (for reasons I totally get), still I am always interested in your insight.  I am wondering if you wouldn't mind posting it again.

x

with the no-First-Dog thing too.  Maybe that was an attempt to humanize himself, since many people are said to like dogs and dog owners?  Then after the election he no longer needed to appear warm and fuzzy? 

I don't know, if you figure it out, let me know.  Just so terribly disappointed, I was really counting on that pooch. 

They don't want to debate.  All they want to do is attack and chase away people who don't agree with them.  They don't want liberals on their board, but they refuse to practice what they preach. 

This is the reason the administrator created a conservative and liberal board.  They have their own board, but that's not enough for them.  It's typical of how they must control everyone's thoughts and deeds and even which God they worship.

You ought to read the venom you spew

Posted By: ll on 2006-03-10,
In Reply to: It's better off dead than dead AND rude and OBNOXIOUS. - PK

you all are supposed to be loving and tolerant people however, you never are loving and tolerant on this board. People try to discuss things with you, and you all go postal and start shooting them. You all are a sad, sad bunch of people. I feel real sorry for the people you come in contact with in real life. Of course you are probably nicer in real life...at least I hope so. You just bomb people here to get some kind of sick little pleasure.

Mean people like you all are the reason these boards have to be separate. Mean people suck.

I have no sense of humor.  Anybody else? 

There are so many things that I don't agree with him on.  You can't raise taxes for small businesses in this time of crisis.  You can't have all of these government assisted programs and only tax the rich because that won't be enough to cover all the expenses.  He will have to tax us all including the middle  class which he professes to want to help even though "spreading the wealth" will keep us down in the middle class because we won't be able to afford to make it into the upper tax bracket.  Basically his plans are aimed to help the lowlife scum who don't want to work.  As for his healthcare......like Oldtimer said below.....you can't make insurance companies pay for pre-existing conditions like that.  If no one wants to pay for health insurance until they have a major illness.....these insurance companies are supposed to pay for a pre-existing condition when this person is just now paying insurance premiums.  The insurance companies won't have any money to pay out if that is how it will work because no one will want to pay for insurance until something major happens.  It just won't work that way because it can't.

Obama is a socialists through and through.  I'm tired of the media and his supporters ignoring his associations.  I'm tired of people throwing up the race card.  It is just absolutely ridiculous.  Just because I'm a white woman not voting for Obama....that doesn't make me racist.  Yet you never hear about the people voting for Obama just because he is black.....is that not also racist? 

This whole election is just screwed up.  I hope to God that this next debate has something in it worth watching and I hope McCain tears Obama a new butthole! 

    Friday 14 October 2005

    When the possibility of far-reaching war crimes and crimes against humanity exists, people of conscience have a solemn responsibility to inquire into the nature and scope of these acts and to determine if they do in fact rise to the level of war crimes and crimes against humanity. That is the mission of the International Commission of Inquiry on Crimes Against Humanity. The first session will be held October 21-22 in New York City. This tribunal will, with care and rigor, present evidence and assess whether George W. Bush and his administration have committed crimes against humanity. Well-established international law will be referenced where applicable, but the tribunal will not be limited by the scope of existing international law.

    The tribunal will deliberate on four categories of indictable crimes: 1) Wars of Aggression, with particular reference to the invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. 2) Torture and Indefinite Detention, with particular reference to the abandonment of international standards concerning the treatment of prisoners of war and the use of torture. 3) Destruction of the Global Environment, with particular reference to systematic policies contributing to the catastrophic effects of global warming. 4) Attacks on Global Public Health and Reproductive Rights, with particular reference to the genocidal effects of forcing international agencies to promote abstinence only in the midst of a global AIDS epidemic.

    The Commission's jury of conscience will be composed of internationally respected jurists and legal scholars, prominent voices of conscience, and experts and monitors in relevant fields. The tribunal's legitimacy is derived from its integrity, its rigor in the presentation of evidence, and the stature of its participants. Representatives of the Bush administration will be invited to present a defense.

    Prior to the meeting of the Commission, teams with sufficient expertise will prepare preliminary indictments in each of the four areas, setting forth the scope of the Bush administration's actions and how they contravene legal and moral norms for international behavior. At the meeting of the Commission, there will be four prosecution teams that organize the presentation of the evidence. This evidence will be documents as well as eyewitness testimony by victims and observers of the crimes alleged. The formal proceedings will be held in a public venue and all attempts will be made to publicize and broadcast its deliberations internationally. The Commission's jury of conscience will come to verdicts and its findings will be published.

    The holding of this tribunal will frame and fuel a discussion that is urgently needed in the United States: Is the administration of George W. Bush guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity? The Commission will conduct its work with a deep sense of responsibility to the people of the world.

    The Commission is sponsored by the Not In Our Name statement of conscience, joined by the following individuals and organizations:

• James Abourezk, former United States Senator
  
  
  
• As'ad AbuKhalil, professor of politics & public administration, California State University-Stanislaus
  
  
  
• Dirk Adriaensens, Brussells Tribunal executive committee and coordinator SOS Iraq
  
  
  
• Dr. Nadje al-Ali, social anthropologist at the University of Exeter, founding member of Act Together: Women's Action on Iraq  and member Women in Black UK
  
  
  
• Anthony Alessandrini, organizer with the World Tribunal on Iraq and New York University Students for Justice in Palestine
  
  
  
• Edward Asner
  
  
  
• Russell Banks, novelist
  
  
  
• The Rev. Luis Barrios, Ph.D., associate professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice & Anglican Priest
  
  
  
• Amy Bartholomew, professor of law at Carleton University
  
  
  
• Greg Bates, Common Courage Press
  
  
  
• Phyllis Bennis, Institute for Policy Studies
  
  
  
• Michael S. Berg, grieving father of Nick Berg killed in Iraq May 7, 2004, and one man for Peace
  
  
  
• Ayse Berktay, from the organizing team of the World Tribunal on Iraq
  
  
  
• William Blum, author of Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II and Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower
  
  
  
• Francis Boyle, author of Destroying World Order and professor at the University of Illinois College of Law
  
  
  
• Jean Bricmont, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
  
  
  
• Marjorie Cohn, professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law and executive vice president of National Lawyers Guild
  
  
  
• Lieven De Cauter, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
  
  
  
• Patrick Deboosere, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
  
  
  
• Michael Eric Dyson
  
  
  
• Peter Erlinder, William Mitchell College of Law and lead defense counsel, United Nations Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, Arusha, Tanzania
  
  
  
• Larry Everest, author of Oil, Power & Empire: Iraq and the U.S. Global Agenda and Behind the Poison Cloud: Union Carbide's Bhopal Massacre
  
  
  
• Richard Falk, professor emeritus of International Law, Princeton, and Visiting Professor in Global and International Studies, UC-Santa Barbara
  
  
  
• Thomas M. Fasy, MD, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York City
  
  
  
• Lawrence Ferlinghetti, member, American Academy of Arts & Letters and founder & editor in chief, City Lights Books, San Francisco
  
  
  
• Ted Glick, former coordinator, Independent Progressive Politics Network
  
  
  
• Dr. Elaine C. Hagopian, former president of Association of Arab-American University Graduates (AAUG) and primary founder of the Trans-Arab Research Institute (TARI)
  
  
  
• Sam Hamill, director, Poets Against War
  
  
  
• International Movement for a Just World (JUST), Malaysia
  
  
  
• Abdeen Jabara, past president, American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee
  
  
  
• Dahr Jamail, U.S. independent journalist who has reported extensively from Iraq since the invasion
  
  
  
• C. Clark Kissinger, contributing writer for Revolution and initiator of the Not In Our Name statement of conscience
  
  
  
• The Reverend Doctor Earl Kooperkamp, Rector, St. Mary's Episcopal Church, West Harlem, New York City
  
  
  
• Joel Kovel, editor-in-chief, Capitalism Nature Socialism: A Quarterly Journal of Socialist Ecology, and author of The Enemy of Nature
  
  
  
• Jesse Lemisch, professor of history emeritus, John Jay College of Criminal Justice
  
  
  
• Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun magazine and author of The Left Hand of God: Taking Back America from the Religious Right
  
  
  
• New Jersey Civil Rights Defense Committee
  
  
  
• New Jersey Workers Democracy Network
  
  
  
• National Lawyers Guild
  
  
  
• National Lawyers Guild, San Francisco Bay Area Chapter
  
  
  
• Rev. Davidson Loehr, Ph.D., First Unitarian Universalist Church of Austin, Texas
  
  
  
• Robert Meeropol, Executive Director, Rosenberg Fund for Children
  
  
  
• Barbara Olshansky, deputy legal director of the Center for Constitutional Rights and author of Secret Trials and Executions
  
  
  
• James Petras, professor emeritus of sociology at Binghamton University, New York
  
  
  
• Jeremy Pikser, screenwriter
  
  
  
• Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights and author with Ellen Ray of Guantanamo: What the World Should Know
  
  
  
• Stephen F. Rohde, civil liberties lawyer and co-founder of Interfaith Communities United for Justice and Peace
  
  
  
• Marc Sapir MD, MPH, co-convener of the UC Berkeley Teach In on Torture and executive director of Retro Poll
  
  
  
• Sister Annette M. Sinagra, OP
  
  
  
• State of Nature on-line magazine
  
  
  
• Inge Van de Merlen, Brussells Tribunal executive committee
  
  
  
• Gore Vidal
  
  
  
• Anne Weills, civil rights attorney in Oakland, National Lawyers Guild
  
  
  
• Leonard Weinglass, criminal defense attorney
  
  
  
• Naomi Weisstein, professor emeritus of Neuroscience, State University of NY at Buffalo
  
  
  
• Howard Zinn, historian
  
  
  

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      The 2005 International Commission of Inquiry on War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration of the United States: Sessions take place Friday, October 21, 4-10pm, and Saturday, October 22, Noon-6pm, at the Grand Ballroom of the Manhattan Center, 311 W. 34th Street, New York City, NY.

This board will return to a dead state too

Posted By: huh? on 2006-03-10,
In Reply to: Oh, she revealed it on the Conservative Board - ??

The stupid rules have made these boards a place where only crickets chirp. Its sad that people are so childish and cannot discuss things like mature adults. This is why these boards will remain a snoozeville, because some people are not capable of mature conversation and get insulted by anyone who does not believe exactly like they do, but if you like it dead here...by all means enjoy the silence.

I watched a TV broadcast; it evoked thoughts in my mind. The thoughts irritated me. I FELT uneasy and I THOUGHT I could print the same on this board and why. This is, after all, still America despite the speech police and this is, after all still the liberal board.

I'm sorry you feel the need to throw the little personal zingers in.