I take no joy whatsoever in watching W's mouthpiece
Posted By: sm on 2009-01-02
In Reply to: gee, can hardly wait to say Hillary lies with such glee as you do to Condi... - ,
make a mockery of human decency and insult the intelligence of the American public. However, I do find your weak effort to dodge these issues by focusing on the future versus the acting SOS fairly comical and pretty transparent.
Israel violated the Gaza cease fire on November 4, 2008, US election day, when it sent a raid into the Gaza Strip, killing 6 Hamas, a small detail omitted from US mainstream media reports and admininstration press releases. One has to wonder what lit that fire, after a near-5-month lull in the hostilities. This incident initiated the deterioration of the truce that led to this most recent round of Israeli attacks on Gaza.
This morning Condeleeza Rice said that Bush and Olmert were "on the same page" and reiterated that phrase of "lasting and durable" cease fire which was repeated numerous times by W's spokesperson a few days back in a brief press conference. In the same breath, we are hearing about how Bush supports the the continuation of the attacks unabated and that a ceasefire must "not allow a re-establishment of status quo ante" for continued rocket launches by Hamas out of Gaza. This begs the question, what are the objectives of these air strikes and threatened ground invasion?
Here is what seems to be a fairly even-handed and interesting analysis.
http://www.alternet.org/audits/115951/what_is_israel's_'mission'_in_gaza/
Basically, what we have here is an attempt to overturn the results of a legitimate election, Israeli party politics, restoring the tarnished reputation of the IDF butcher brigades after Lebanon and trying to keep a puppet president who has stated his desire to step down in office long enough to figure out how to further manipulate Palestinian political parties into submission via the divide-and-conquer route.
I guess some might think those are really good reasons to sacrifice a few Israeli soldiers, even a civilian or two along the way, and hundreds of their Palestinian counterparts in a 100:1 Palestinian/Israeli fatality ratio (bound to increase 10-fold with a ground invasion) in the name of democracy and Israel's national security.
Dude, where's my diplomacy?
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There is nothing whatsoever here to indicate
Try to wrap your white matter around this: You are not a dark-skinned biracial male who grew up on a couple of continents. You did not have the privilege of receiving an enriching multicultural education by the time you were a young teen. You did not have to come to terms with the paradox of having been raised by loving whites on the one hand and witness hateful racism on the other, nor did you have to figure out who you are in any setting that even remotely resembles this scenario.
The innuendo that underpins this post is precisely the source of the difficulties and challenges faced by such individuals who find themselves in the throes of understanding their place in the world. You cannot begin to speculate about, much less understand the process one has gone through that allowed that confused young teenager to evolve into a successful, inspiring, history-making (in McCain's own words) young African-AMERICAN presidential candidate of the United States of America, where to our deepest shame, the racism that would seek to hold him back is alive and well.
There is nothing whatsoever eloquent
You 2 sound like a couple of old bitties. Obama supporters are not a cult. This is what enthusiastic joyful support of a president looks like. Most of us are thanking our lucky stars that the shrub did not manage to snuff that out all together.
I agree with one of the posters below. If you keep on trying to turn hope and change into curse words, you deserve all the misery you apparently are wallowing in and will only succeed in marginalizing yourselves even further. There is nothing you can say or do to stop this train. Time to suck it up and get on with your lives, if you can even remember what that means beyond your uglier than ugly 24/7/365 witch hunt.
Do you have any clue whatsoever....(sm)
what the perks of being president are? Along with his salary, he also gets an annual $50,000 entertainment expense account, just like previous presidents have received. Did you gripe about Bush entertaining people at the White House while he was running up the deficit? I doubt it.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/CEOProfiles/story?id=6806414&page=1
No intimidation whatsoever. I actually agree
are left alone after school, pawned off on others, etc., but nothing I've seen thus far causes me to believe Palin is an apathetic mother. You said yourself you have not had the luxury of not working, and there are countless others in your predicament, which is why the schools offer breakfast and afterschool activities, so that children can stay safe under those circumstances. Not every single person who leaves their children has a choice.
I do not have enough information to say that Palin is one of those people that pawns their children off on others or that she ever would be. There are 2 parents, and maybe their father is going to be with the children while the mother works and I do not see a thing wrong with that, nor do a lot of other people to whom I have spoken. I don't feel it is my place to make that judgment when I don't even know the woman, especially not based on what I see on television. I don't know how anyone could jump to any conclusion about her as a mother based on what little is known.
This is not about race whatsoever. You are falling
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There is no force involved whatsoever. I do it
because I "choose" to do what the Bible commands. I love the Lord and want to do what His Word says. There is nothing forced about. If you don't think it's a sin, that is your perogative. I, however, feel that it is and that is my perogative, too. 
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. None. nm
Yes, take those words out of context and use them. Right, no flame whatsoever.
But I'm not interested in Barack, either, and I'm not alone in this thinking. However, I guess my apprehension is spot on if your idea of not flaming is to point to McCain. Goodness.
Very strange debate, no control whatsoever by the moderator...sm
Almost like alternating republican and democratic commercials. Some very petty snide comments. Neither one of them impressed me, but I blame that on the moderator.
People take for granted being able to have any choice whatsoever in what doctor they see
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What's even more amusing is watching
your political ideology die a slow painful death.
I didn't post the original article not that you would believe me. As far as the rest of your rant I don't give a flip...and that's putting mildly.
like watching bullies get theirs
I kind of like to watch bullies get theirs and Delay's history for the past 21 years in DC is that of a bully..the *hammer* as his nickname is. Kind of like karma..what goes around comes around eventually. Same thing with Rove, well known to spread lies and participating in extremely dirty politics..he just might get his now with the leak investigation.
If you think the government isn't watching you...think again.
Pay too much and you could raise the alarm
By BOB KERR
The Providence Journal
28-FEB-06
PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Walter Soehnge is a retired Texas schoolteacher who traveled north with his wife, Deana, saw summer change to fall in Rhode Island and decided this was a place to stay for a while.
So the Soehnges live in Scituate now and Walter sometimes has breakfast at the Gentleman Farmer in Scituate Village, where he has passed the test and become a regular despite an accent that is definitely not local.
And it was there, at his usual table last week, that he told me that he was madder than a panther with kerosene on his tail.
He says things like that. Texas does leave its mark on a man.
What got him so upset might seem trivial to some people who have learned to accept small infringements on their freedom as just part of the way things are in this age of terror-fed paranoia. It's that everything changed after 9/11 thing.
But not Walter.
We're a product of the '60s, he said. We believe government should be way away from us in that regard.
He was referring to the recent decision by him and his wife to be responsible, to do the kind of thing that just about anyone would say makes good, solid financial sense.
They paid down some debt. The balance on their JCPenney Platinum MasterCard had gotten to an unhealthy level. So they sent in a large payment, a check for $6,522.
And an alarm went off. A red flag went up. The Soehnges' behavior was found questionable.
And all they did was pay down their debt. They didn't call a suspected terrorist on their cell phone. They didn't try to sneak a machine gun through customs.
They just paid a hefty chunk of their credit card balance. And they learned how frighteningly wide the net of suspicion has been cast.
After sending in the check, they checked online to see if their account had been duly credited. They learned that the check had arrived, but the amount available for credit on their account hadn't changed.
So Deana Soehnge called the credit-card company. Then Walter called.
When you mess with my money, I want to know why, he said.
They both learned the same astounding piece of information about the little things that can set the threat sensors to beeping and blinking.
They were told, as they moved up the managerial ladder at the call center, that the amount they had sent in was much larger than their normal monthly payment. And if the increase hits a certain percentage higher than that normal payment, Homeland Security has to be notified. And the money doesn't move until the threat alert is lifted.
Walter called television stations, the American Civil Liberties Union and me. And he went on the Internet to see what he could learn. He learned about changes in something called the Bank Privacy Act.
The more I'm on, the scarier it gets, he said. It's scary how easily someone in Homeland Security can get permission to spy.
Eventually, his and his wife's money was freed up. The Soehnges were apparently found not to be promoting global terrorism under the guise of paying a credit-card bill. They never did learn how a large credit card payment can pose a security threat.
But the experience has been a reminder that a small piece of privacy has been surrendered. Walter Soehnge, who says he holds solid, middle-of-the-road American beliefs, worries about rights being lost.
If it can happen to me, it can happen to others, he said.
(Bob Kerr is a columnist for The Providence Journal. E-mail bkerr@projo.com.)
(Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service, www.shns.com.)
I think you have been watching too may movies,
they don't have to kill anyone to get those.
Unlike you, I have been watching Fox along with CNN...
so I have seen the good things happening along with the bad. The surge is exactly what scaled down the violence in Baghdad. Anyone with half a brain knows that...unless you think it was miraculously coincidental that the surge and decline in violence happened at the same time. Now who is trying to oversimplify?
You totally disregarding the glaring point here. Knowing Murtha's history, knowing the outlandish and horrifying things he has said over and over about the soldiers and the war, that the words "surge is working" would even pass his lips should be indicative, because it must be a BIG difference between the time he was there before and this time or he would not have said anything. What on earth could he possibly have to gain by lying about it? The main has a military background; he should certainly be able to tell the difference. Yes, I find that encouraging, but I have been watching the news and where we used to hear about a roadside bombing every day we don't anymore. Where we used to hear about car bombs every day we don't anymore, even on CNN, because they can't report them if they aren't happening, even they are not that deviant. Things HAVE changed, whether you want to admit it or not.
The intent of my post was to show that there are some Democrats (even the most left ones as Murtha is) who are having to admit that it is working. To quote you again, anyone with half a brain would see that it is. And if you would watch Fox once in awhile, you would see the troops being interviewed, you would see Iraqis being interviewed, and you would see that there is light at the end of the tunnel. But, of course, you probably think you would go blind if you turned on that channel (or they are doing it with actors on a sound stage in Burbank...LOL).
Again, we agree to disagree. I prefer the optimistic view, you prefer the pessimistic. I believe what I saw this morning with people moving freely again, talking positively about the future again (Iraqis), thanking soldiers for help and protection and inviting them into their homes for meals...to me that is a very positive sign.
By the way, I read another article regarding Murtha and he is still for pulling the troops out immediately, even though the surge is working. But he also admitted that he had visited with the many Pennsylvania-based soldiers there (his constituents) and that they believed in their mission and that they felt the surge was working. Not that you believe a word he says or that I say. I prefer to believe them. They are over there. We are not.
Did anybody think they were watching an episode
was speaking?
Seriously they should make an episode from that. It would be HILlarious
and you really think by watching the mainstream..
media, MSNC (Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann), Air America and the like YOU are getting the whole picture? Admit it, you just want to hear what agrees with your point of view and nothing else. At least admit the bias.
I do watch CNN, I watch MSNBC until Matthews and Olbermann come on because all you get to hear with those two is what THEY think and they don't even attempt to hide their bias. Laughable really. At least Fox does have a Dem and a Repub at the same time, which is more than I can say for most of the others. And I don't watch Fox exclusively and have heard Limbaugh maybe once or twice, because he is almost as obnoxious as Olbermann sometimes. Can't stand that ego thing on EITHER side. Trouble is...I can see that. Those folks with a Fox and Limbaugh fixation can't see the same problems on the Dem side...namely Matthews and Olbermann. Wonder why that is??
It should be about the people. Watching
the different speakers last night, I was really proud of Barney Smith. Barney said he wanted a candidate that would put "Barney Smith first, not Smith Barney." He brought down the house. It's time for the American people to get the consideration we deserve from our government. The Bush administration owes us an apology. I absolutely refuse to have more of the same. It is time for a President who cares about the people.
come on..have you been watching the news?
to vote for Obama just because Hillary won. This is just one more reason for them to vote for her. Ignorant voters in large numbers are dangerous, just look at what the last 8 years has gotten us...
I have been watching closely, too.
The whole MSNBC crew was out of sorts on the night Barack gave his speech. It was like they were star struck. The night before I couldn't help but notice the MSNBC camera man all over the place, zooming in on the oddest thing; it was so bad, I switched to CNN and Wolfe. Read later that a rumor about drugs was going around. Maybe someone drugged their drinks. I have watched these guys for years and this is the strangest I have seen them. They looked unfrazzled and were disagreeable with each other. With regard to Maher, I like noncomformists -he is a smart guy and so far, what he has been alluding to has all come true with regard to GOP, as Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.
If you are watching the coverage you know much is being done...
okay, you don't believe in prayer. Couldn't you at least say you hope they will be okay? There is only so much men can do...we are talking a huge storm on a town below sea level.
What a nasty attitude.
Good, I think we should all be watching. It is in ,,sm
our best interest to do so. I am in constant contact with my senators and respresentives and express how I feel. We all need to be proactive.
Must have been watching a different interview than the...
Watching the Maverick's
campaign fall down around his knees this week has been amusing. His VP selection has been judged as a political choice only by 79% of the nation. Her poll numbers have dropped 10 points. He thinks Spain is in this hemisphere. He was against the bailout of AIG and then 24 hours later for it. He now claims, after 24 years, that he is FOR regulation after innumerable remarks about being against it. The great joy that his supporters professed at Lady deRothchild's defection was erased when she made that redneck remark. It's over. He just looks like a desperate fool now.
I'm watching a few minutes behind
They really are blasting Mccain aren't they?
It sounds like he (Reid) is trying to be the hero...
Were you watching the debate?
He said he would strike inside Pakistan with or without the permission of the Pakistani government if he had "good intelligence" that there were "high value targets." By the time he has 6 meetings with his 300 foreign policy advisors any high value targets would be long gone...and he would end up with a surgical strike on an aspirin factory ala Bill Clinton. All I can say is if he gets elected, he better put Biden on speed dial or give him the next room in the white house for that 3:00 call. Or the 300 foreign policy advisors. I guess they could have cots in the Red Room...?
TINA FEY, WERE YOU WATCHING?
Because there was some great material tonight in Palin's performance!
Not to say she bombed, because she didn't. She did a great job of winking, smirking, smiling, and looking sharp!
She did NOT do a great job convincing me or "thinking" Americans that a continuation of BUSH'S failed policies is the direction this country should take via MCBUSH. Sorry not buying - no matter how cutesy she is...
I *would* like to know where she got that suit though! She'd be a HIT on sex in the City - she could give Carrie a run for her money LOL. But be a heartbeat away from the presidency? Not on your life!
You won't ever find out by watching
know what planet they came from!
Besides Bush, he's the next man that everyone is watching
Whether he was invited or not was not the point. The point was he deliberately made sure he was seen in public to let people know he wasn't listening to the president's farewell speech. This was no surprise b'day dinner they claimed it was. This was plain and simple rude! They could have stayed in their suite and made love for all I care while the speech is going on, but for crying out loud to be out in public to make sure everyone sees him - he has no class whatsoever!!!
I'm watching C-SPAN.(nm)
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I'm watching it live.
I'm so disappointed in him. Someone asked when he was bringing jobs back from offshore. He said he's not. He's just trying to push his agenda, pretty much the same speech he gave the other night. What a waste of time.
You and I must be watching different stations
I think possibly Fox might have Obama's ratings dropping but just heard yesterday both independents and Democrats totally behind him with ratings up in the 80s. I did not even hear about the tea party until that very day so actually was not that huge from what I saw or read. As far as Alaska, she gets props for having a balanced budget. When you've got one of the lowest populations (4th least populated state) and a metric crap-ton of oil running through your state via the pipeline, Marion Berry, Kwame Kilpatrick, Bill Ford and George W. Bush could balance the budget--. Each Alaskan resident gets an annual check from the pipeline revenues. How can you NOT have a balanced budget?!?!?! Want to impress me? Balance California or Michigan's budget. The rainbow in Alaska is not as bright as several years ago. Read the Alaska newspapers. People there don’t even like her. You will not have your wish of a change of parties next election- the repubs are in a shamble and everyone knows that.
Last night I was watching
....are you ready....Fox News....OMG.
Anyway, they were talking about the vicious and personal attacks on Miss CA. One guy said that she used to be a man and had to have breast implants and cut her penis off to be in the pageant. Just crude and horrible things. So they brought on this feminist to see what she thought about the cruelty and the vicious personal attacks on Miss CA. This feminists who is supposed to be for women's rights said that Miss CA should have opted for a heart transplant instead of breast implants.
OMG....a feminist cutting down a woman because she was outspoken and voiced her honest opinion. I'm so sick and tired of hearing how people who don't agree with same sex marriage are heartless people full of hate. I don't hate gay people. Just because I don't agree with something doesn't give others the right to cut me down for it. I don't cut down gay couples even though I don't agree with it.
I just don't understand why all these so-called liberal open minded groups are so open minded unless someone has a difference of opinion. You cannot call them names or cut them down but if you disagree with them, you are fair game and they will cut you down brutally anywhere and in any way they can. Talk about a double standard here.
Any feminist should be outraged by the treatment of Miss CA. So she believes in traditional marriage....so what. That doesn't make her a bad person and I don't see her going around cutting down other people who disagree with her but she has had one vicious attack after another and it is just a shame.
I don't much care about pageants and all that jazz and I was really tired of hearing about how she lost because of her answer but these attacks on her are just insane. If these leftist groups are all about compassion......where is it?
They keep talking about equality for all but yet you can't have an opinion that is different. How is that equality when you bash people who don't agree with you? Aren't we all entitled to our opinions without viciously and personally attacking those who don't agree with us?
Oh, then those people watching
Olbermann must be sickos and those watching Maddow must be all lesbians, right?
On second thought, that's probably correct... Maddow spews more hate than anyone I know, next to Olbermann of course!!!
Me watching Fox is not big news...(sm)
I've stated all along that I occasionally watch Fox. I also watch MSNBC, CNN, BBC, Democracy Now, etc.....basically anything and everything I can get. Contrary to popular beliefs on this board, I like to hear all sides and then form an opinion.
And yes, I would say that the majority of money for Acorn comes from govt grants. However, other organizations have the same opportunities as they do to get those grants. They also take donations. I think what has happened is that pubs typically count on large donations from businesses, etc. I think they underestimate the power of getting smaller donations, but from regular people like me. This is what happened with Obama's campaign. While he had some heavy weights with large donations, he also had tons of people like me who would donate on a regular basis. I think the same thing is happening with Acorn. I think the whole thing is that pubs have underestimated their ability to raise money. I kind of understand this because for years pubs have been much better at this than dems.....we just went about it a different way.
This is not to say that everything is on the up and up. Again, I don't think I'm qualified to decide that without all the facts.
I highly recommend watching
Hardball on MSNBC tonight if you can. (It's on at 7:00 and 11:00 p.m. here on the east coast.)
In the last 10-15 minutes of the show, a woman by the name of Cindy Sheehan speaks about her son, who was killed in Iraq. She founded "Gold Star Families for Peace." I was in tears after hearing her speak about all of Bush's lies and have even less respect for this so-called president than I had before. I hope you can see her interview. It is very moving.
I did a little research and found this link to an interview with her:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/org/orig6/zeese2.html
In my opinion, she's very, VERY a credible, compelling person.
I'm going to have to start watching his show...nm
It gets a bit tiresome watching them gang up on you...
...I think you're great. You're one of the reasons I started to come to this board more often.
You're a breath of fresh air in here....
Moderator is watching but you are incorrect.
The OP is not advocating but entertaining a valid thought about a past medical condition.
Moderator
Yeah - that would be worth watching.
How much time did you spend watching
the video and confirming every fact? I care about all this and read what I can, but that sounds borderline obsessive. JMHO of course.
This is what you want? It's like watching a horror movie
This is enough the scare the you know what out of me. If Obama wins you can expect more rallies like this. BTW - Farrakhan calls Obama the messiah. Warning - very creepy (almost like someting I'd see in a horror movie)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE
Keep watching your CNN -The Clinton News
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Thanks for the head's up. Look forward to watching
bury this one in the trash right where it belongs...under the rotting fish.
Same here. Watching these people in interviews is
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Watching press release
Could our president be double-standard? Reporters are asking really good tough questions. No confidence in this new administration whatsoever.
So far in watching the news today
there is one person who wants this stimulus to pass. I agree.
So, look out for a depression coming soon or is it almost here. I think there are pockets in our Nation already in a depression. I do not see it getting better, just being realistic, but still hoping that government know what the he** they are doing. I wonder what it would be like for some of our representatives were "layed-off" for awhile with no pay and no health care benefits like some of the other 4.8 million who gave money to the bailout that was supposed to be used to buy up bad assets, but instead gave the money to banks who used it for vacations and bonus packages. Uncle Sam seems like a mean, backstabbing, evil dude.
Isnt he terrible? I tried watching too and he comes
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Well I'm watching news - you must be dreaming
But if you wake up and watch the news you'll see. No independents and democrats are not behind him, unless of course they are pushing for socialism/communism in this country. Lots of democrats do not say anything, however, as their jobs are in jeapardy. If you did not even hear of the tea parties until that very day then that goes to show you only watch MSNBC and CNN - my goodness girl, you really should switch the station, it was alll over the place for the past couple weeks. Even on this board they were talking bout the tea parties before April 15th.
If you are watching MSNBC and CNN I don't understand how you think you are getting any truth. They are just a bunch of hate-mongering people (not even reporters) who are bitter and hate the other stations because more people are turning them (MSNBC & CNN) off. They don't give any fair coverage. Only their side of it while spreading hate and fear.
Please for your own sanity turn those stations off and watch something else...anything else.
Wow....you're watching too many movies hon!
Never said anything about indoctrinated and embedded. I said he is a Muslim, raised by Muslims in a Muslim country, taught Islam as his religion until he was grown, and the list goes on and on. He knows Muslim teaching is not open to Christians or Jews AT ALL; matter of fact, they teach hatred of Christians and Jews. If he were a Christian, he would not pass up the opportunity to honor our day of prayer, but the fact that he will "hide" in the white house as if it's not important, especially in this economy, is just a sure fire way of kissing up to his Muslim brothers.... he doesn't want to insult them..... Heaven forbid!!!
Wow....you're watching too many movies hon!
Never said anything about indoctrinated and embedded. I said he is a Muslim, raised by Muslims in a Muslim country, taught Islam as his religion until he was grown, and the list goes on and on. He knows Muslim teaching is not open to Christians or Jews AT ALL; matter of fact, they teach hatred of Christians and Jews. If he were a Christian, he would not pass up the opportunity to honor our day of prayer, but the fact that he will "hide" in the white house as if it's not important, especially in this economy, is just a sure fire way of kissing up to his Muslim brothers.... he doesn't want to insult them..... Heaven forbid!!!
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