I stated 8 years ago that Bush' foreign "Policies"

• Who Indeed? - Mrs. Bridger
  • I stated 8 years ago that Bush' foreign "Policies" - Would get us in trouble with the rest of the world
    • Clinton started rendition!!!!!!!! HELLO!!! - Trigger Happy
      • Clinton did not ignore the Geneva Convention - Mrs. Bridger
        • No....Clinton got in trouble - Short stack
          • of course he lied - but no one died - he had a young daughter to protect... - Mrs. Bridger
            • Lying under oath is just that. - Trigger Happy
        • Maybe that is why 911happened? hmmm - sm
          • Maybe George should have read - Mrs. Bridger
            • GIve em' he!! Mrs. B!!! - orangeorange
            • Yeah, and maybe Obama will FIND his birth - certificate someday -wont hold my breath.nm
              • I guess you're smarter than the supreme court.... - Mrs. Bridger
              • Forget the topic I did...LOL. nm - Just the big bad
              • Yep, that'll happen when pigs balance the budget...... - MsMt
                • But pigs are balancing the budget - madmt
                • Don't worry...(sm) - Just the big bad
                  • Unfortunately, most of that manure is still left... - Zville MT
                    • ...from the Bush Barnyard, but don't worry, - We'll Clean it up as soon as we can
  • Here ya go! - Trigger Happy
  • Who are they to judge? - Zville MT
    • They couldn't get WMDs straight - what makes you so sure the exterminated were "terrorists? - Mrs. Bridger
      • What makes you so sure they WEREN'T terrorists? - nm
      • I didn't say it was correct, legal, or moral. - Zville MT
  • Uh...I do believe that - Trigger Happy
  • You should move to China and take your cut and paste skills - with you!!
    • No tank you - sofa king wee todd id - Mrs. Bridger
    • LOL - nm
    • Thank you for your intelligent, logical remark...par for the course - Mrs. Bridger

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Dec 10, 8:43 PM EST

Administration changes to farm worker hiring afoot

By SUZANNE GAMBOA
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- As it prepares to leave office, the Bush administration is moving to make it easier for U.S. farming companies to hire foreign field workers, which farmworker groups say will worsen wages and working conditions.

Farm groups said that changes to the H2A visa program, used by the agriculture industry to hire temporary farm workers, were posted on the Labor Department's Web site at midnight Tuesday but have since been taken down.

Labor Department spokesman Terry Shawn said whatever was posted wasn't the final version of the new rule, which Shawn said would be released Thursday and published in the Federal Register on Dec. 18.

The Bush administration published a proposed version of the new rule last Feb. 13 and received nearly 12,000 public comments, Shawn added. The next version will be a final rule and can take effect 30 days after publication. Some of its provisions would take effect in mid-January and others later in the year, the farmworker groups said.

Farm worker advocates and the United Farm Workers union said the version that appeared on the Web site would lead to a flood of cheaper workers.

"The government has decided to offer agriculture employers really low wages, low benefits, no government oversight to bring in foreign workers on restricted visas and thereby convince them they should do this instead of hiring undocumented workers," said Bruce Goldstein, executive director of Farmworker Justice, a group that advocates for farmworkers.

The changes in the posted version would drop a requirement that an employer get the Labor Department to certify it faces a worker shortage before it can get visas for foreign workers; instead, employers would be allowed to simply attest in writing to a shortage. That version of the new rule also would change the method for calculating wage minimums for workers and relieve employers of a requirement to recruit in states or communities where other employers already are hiring farm workers, Goldstein said.

But Assistant Labor Secretary Leon Sequeira said Wednesday evening the agency is not dropping the obligation to obtain certification, which is required by law.

Paul Schlegel, American Farm Bureau public policy director, said many of the changes will make the program a little less burdensome for employers. He said existing laws prevent employers from hiring foreign workers if the jobs can be filled by U.S. workers.

"My members want to make sure they have a legal supply of labor," said Schlegel, who added that he had not reviewed all the proposed changes.

The rule changes are a part of a pattern of last-minute regulatory changes being rushed into effect by the Bush administration before President-elect Barack Obama's Jan. 20 inauguration.

The effect is to make it harder for Obama to change course on some policies favored by Republicans and the business community.

"We are hopeful that the Obama administration would recognize the utter mistake and unfairness of this proposal," Goldstein said. Congress has a procedure for reversing the rules, he said.

Many of the last-minute changes by the Bush administration have come in the area of public lands and the environment, including easing regulations on mining waste and allowing handguns in national parks. Another pending rule would grant greater leeway to railroads to transport hazardous materials through densely populated areas.

Gads, I think he's a slow learner.  This sort of stuff doesn't go over well, IMHO.  Might make people think he is a big phony.

Bush Teleconference With Soldiers Staged

AP - 42 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - It was billed as a conversation with U.S. troops, but the questions President Bush asked on a teleconference call Thursday were choreographed to match his goals for the war in Iraq and Saturday's vote on a new Iraqi constitution. This is an important time, Allison Barber, deputy assistant defense secretary, said, coaching the soldiers before Bush arrived. The president is looking forward to having just a conversation with you..

I watch Olbermann.  Sometimes I agree with him.  Sometimes I don't.

However, last night he hit it into the park with his attempt to review what Bush did in the last eight years into eight minutes; he ran over time a little bit because there was so much to say.

I would strongly urge anyone who is not too busy whining, moaning, groaning, hating and raging about Obama -- anyone who is truly interested in the future of America -- to watch this, from beginning to end -- especially at the end (since this is done chronologically, not by matter of importance).

THESE are the reasons people voted for Obama.  THESE are the reasons that Obama supporters cannot understand why Bush worshippers still support him and reject the man who might undo the wreckage of Bush.

BUSH is the man who claimed to have a direct line to GOD.  Obama never claimed anything of the sort; if he had, I probably would not have voted for him for that very reason -- because it creeped me out so much when Bush did it.  So the assertion that Obama supporters are "worshippers" is ridiculous, when, in fact, it seems that those who still support Bush (the closest thing to the Anti-Christ that I'VE ever seen) are the ones who seem to think Bush is some sort of god.

Please watch every single SECOND of this video.  It will give you just a taste of the grueling task ahead of Obama in trying to correct all the damage that Bush has done.  We may, in fact, never know the full extent of the damage because Bush (as is mentioned in the video) has "exempted" himself from the Presidential Records Act.

THIS is why every truly honest, patriotic, honorable American who voted for Obama is so relieved he won.  Not so much "happy" -- but RELIEVED -- hoping (yes, HOPING) that our country may once again resemble the USA that once held respect throughout the world, the USA where hard work was once rewarded, the USA where families could afford to feed their children, and the USA where one's ability to obtain something as basic as healthcare wasn't only limited to the wealthy.  I'm not naive enough to believe this can all be fixed in four (or even eight) years, because Bush has been like a four-year-old sociopath that was armed with Daddy's credit card, an AXE and an arrogant giggle, each of which he used to its full capacity, and that's a LOT to clean up.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#28699663

How many more lies before everyone wakes up?

Editorial Toledo Blade:  Another lie on Iraq

WHEN President Bush declared last week that nobody has ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the 9/11 terrorist attacks, a large segment of the American public must have been very surprised.

They would be the die-hard supporters of the war in Iraq, the one-quarter to one-third of Americans who, according to opinion polls, believe to this day that Saddam was somehow involved in 9/11.

No one likes to think that their President is lying, but for Mr. Bush to casually reverse five years of rhetoric is like Bill Clinton claiming I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.

No, there is no DNA evidence that we know of to indict Mr. Bush for perjury. But the public record includes repeated statements by the President, Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and other administration officials that linked responsibility for the 9/11 attacks to Iraq, both directly and indirectly.

The alleged connection was the administration's strongest selling point for the war, slaking the American people's thirst for revenge for the 2001 attacks on New York City and Washington, D.C.

As Mr. Bush put it on Oct. 7, 2002, We know that Iraq and the al-Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy - the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al-Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. … We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases.

Here he is again, in his 2003 State of the Union address: And this Congress and the American people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al-Qaeda.

And in his Mission Accomplished photo op, May 1, 2003: In the war on terror, Iraq is now the central front.

Mr. Cheney was even more specific: In 2003, the vice president claimed that the government was learning more and more about links, before 9/11, between Iraq and al-Qaeda. This came even after the CIA had debunked any such claims. In 2004, the veep said flatly that Saddam had long-established ties with al-Qaeda.

Now, you can argue all day about whether faulty U.S. intelligence misled Mr. Bush, or about what the meaning of suggested is, but this much is clear: The administration relentlessly blurred what was a clear distinction between the militantly secular regime of Saddam and Islamic extremists like the 9/11 hijackers so as to create a laser-beam connection in the public mind that they were one and the same.

So for Mr. Bush to now claim that nobody has ever suggested that the Sept. 11 attacks were ordered by Iraq, as he did last week, is yet another lie in the chain of mendacity that shackles the Bush presidency.

As much as you want to blame Bill Clinton......don't forget who held the reins for the last 8 years......who let them run amuck? Why was nothing done?

Check out the mortgage failures.
Tell me which failed more, prime or subprime
Tell me what is the rate of failures under the CRA or even Bush's ADDI (which i attack alll the time)
Once again, REALITY AND THE DATA doesn't fit ya'lls claims.

Basically what happened was.. we reformed bankruptcy laws.. so that people who ran into dire straights could not restructure.

We packaged the loans into commodity derivatives. These are sorta mirror bets on the loans. Sorta..as the same loan will be sold many times in many derivative packages.. that's why the housing derivatives are worth more than all the real estate in the US. Derivatives are actually not that bad.. when a market is stable and only has to deal with natural forces. The housing market was bubbled.. partially due to low interest rates that encouraged everyone to buy, even the rich, and partially due to the CRA and the ADDI.. which did add customers to the market (helping form the bubble was the extent the CRA and the ADDI had in this mess)

All it took was a few failures to pop the bubble..and make real estate prices drop,. and mind you, it was mainly prime loans (READ not loans given to poor people and not loans under the CRA) that failed. The derivative market.,.which like I said, is really mirrors of the same loans.. cause the defaults to explode with ten times the ferocity, because one loan could effect the price of dozens of derivatives.

Really the poor and even irresponsible people .. simply did not have the economic ability to cause this mess. Pool all their money together and waste it on hookers.. it would have zero effect without help from the rich elites and their magnifying packaged derivatives.

THE CRA and ADDI both had stricter requirements than loans you got from normal banks.. both required income data.. where many prime loans did not.. they also greatly limited you on how much home you could purchase..whereas private banks did not care if you tried to buy something you could not afford.
Don't believe me?.. Look in the phone book.. call your own housing authority - you can get a loan for 106% the purchase price of a home even today.. if you're poor enough.
 

Ask to hear the red tape and hoops you must go through.. Heck, it is probably easier to just get a real job and earn real money than go through the FHA.

On the issues

Sarah Palin on Foreign Policy.

            No stance

Obama on Foreign Policy

• Meet with Cuban leaders only with agenda of US interests. (Feb 2008)


• Cuba: Loosen restrictions now; normalization later. (Feb 2008)


• Important to undo the damage of the last seven years. (Feb 2008)


• Never negotiate out of fear, and never fear to negotiate. (Jan 2008)


• Ok to postpone Pakistani elections, but not indefinitely. (Dec 2007)


• Pakistan crisis: secure nukes; continue with elections. (Dec 2007)


• President must abide by international human rights treaties. (Dec 2007)


• Obama Doctrine: ideology has overridden facts and reality. (Dec 2007)


• China is a competitor but not an enemy. (Dec 2007)


• Willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Kim Jung IL & Hugo Chavez. (Nov 2007)


• Wrote 2006 law stabilizing Congo with $52M. (Oct 2007)


• No Obama Doctrine; just democracy, security, liberty. (Oct 2007)


• Invest in our relationship with Mexico. (Sep 2007)


• Strengthen NATO to face 21st-century threats. (Aug 2007)


• $50B annually to strengthen weak states at risk of collapse. (Aug 2007)


• No "strategic ambiguity" on foreign policy issues. (Aug 2007)


• At college, protested for divestment from South Africa. (Aug 2007)


• Increased aid to Republic of Congo. (Aug 2007)


• Visited largest slum in Africa, to publicize its plight. (Aug 2007)


• My critics engineered our biggest foreign policy disaster. (Aug 2007)


• China is a competitor, but not an enemy. (Aug 2007)


• Meet with enemy leaders; it's a disgrace that we have not. (Jul 2007)


• No-fly zone in Darfur; but pay attention more in Africa. (Jun 2007)


• Europe & Japan are allies, but China is a competitor. (Apr 2007)


• Palestinian people suffer-but from not recognizing Israel. (Apr 2007)


• FactCheck: Palestinian suffering from stalled peace effort. (Apr 2007)


• U.S. needs to ameliorate trade relations with China. (Mar 2007)


• U.S. funds for humanitarian aid to Darfur. (Mar 2007)


• We cannot afford isolationism. (Mar 2007)


• Protested South African apartheid while at college. (Feb 2007)


• Focus on corruption to improve African development. (Oct 2006)


• Supports Israel's self-defense; but distrusted by Israelis. (Oct 2006)


• Visited Africa in 2006; encouraged HIV testing & research. (Oct 2006)


• Never has US had so much power & so little influence to lead. (Jul 2004)


• US policy should promote democracy and human rights. (Jul 2004)


• Sponsored aid bill to avert humanitarian crisis in Congo. (Dec 2005)


• Urge Venezuela to re-open dissident radio & TV stations. (May 2007)


• Let Ukraine & Georgia enter NATO. (Jan 2008)


• Condemn violence by Chinese government in Tibet. (Apr 2008)


• Sanction Mugabe until Zimbabwe transitions to democracy. (Apr 2008)

Sarah Palin on Homeland Security

• Strong military and sound energy. (Aug 2008)


• Armed forces, including my son, give us security and freedom. (Jan 2008)


• Ask all candidates "Are you doing all you can for security?". (Oct 2007)


• Visits Kuwait; encourages Alaska big game hunting to troops. (Sep 2007)


• Promote from within, in Alaska's National Guard. (Nov 2006)


• Let military personnel know how much we support them. (Nov 2006)

Obama on Homeland Security

• No torture; no renditions; no operating out of fear. (Apr 2008)


• Unacceptable to have veterans drive 250 miles to a hospital. (Feb 2008)


• Pursue goal of a world without nuclear weapons. (Feb 2008)


• Al Qaida is stronger now than in 2001 as Iraq distracted us. (Jan 2008)


• Colleges must allow military recruiters for ROTC on campus. (Jan 2008)


• Rebuild a nuclear nonproliferation strategy. (Jan 2008)


• FactCheck: Promised to repeal Patriot Act, then voted for it. (Jan 2008)


• No presidential power for secret surveillance. (Dec 2007)


• No holding US citizens as unlawful enemy combatants. (Dec 2007)


• Congress decides what constitutes torture, not president. (Dec 2007)


• No torture; defiance of FISA; no military commissions. (Dec 2007)


• Restore habeas corpus to reach Muslims abroad. (Dec 2007)


• Human rights and national security are complementary. (Nov 2007)


• Don't allow our politics to be driven by fear of terrorism. (Nov 2007)


• 2006: Obama-Lugar bill restricted conventional weapons. (Oct 2007)


• Judgment is as important as experience. (Oct 2007)


• If attacked, first help victims then prevent further attacks. (Oct 2007)


• America cannot sanction torture; no loopholes or exceptions. (Sep 2007)


• Repeal Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell. (Aug 2007)


• 2005: Passed bill to reduce conventional weapon stockpiles. (Aug 2007)


• We are no safer now than we were after 9/11. (Aug 2007)


• Close Guantanamo and restore the right of habeas corpus. (Jun 2007)


• Homeland security must protect citizens, not intrude on them. (Mar 2007)


• America must practice the patriotism it preaches. (Mar 2007)


• Protecting nuclear power plants is of utmost importance. (Mar 2007)


• Personal privacy must be protected even in terrorism age. (Mar 2007)


• Get first responders the healthcare and equipment they need. (Mar 2007)


• Need to be both strong and smart on national defense. (Oct 2006)


• Grow size of military to maintain rotation schedules. (Oct 2006)


• Battling terrorism must go beyond belligerence vs. isolation. (Oct 2006)


• Going after AL Qaeda in Pakistan is not Bush-style invasion. (Jan 2006)


• Rebuild the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. (Jan 2006)


• We are currently inspecting 3% of all incoming cargo. (Oct 2004)


• Increase funding to decommission Russian nukes. (Jul 2004)


• Give our soldiers the best equipment and training available. (Jul 2004)


• Balance domestic intelligence reform with civil liberty risk. (Jul 2004)

Sarah Palin on War and Peace

• We don't know what the plan is to ever end the war. (Aug 2008)


• Wants exit plan; also assurances to keep our troops safe. (Mar 2007)

Obama on War and Peace

            Iraq War

• President sets Iraq mission; Generals then implement tactics. (Apr 2008)


• President sets Iraq mission; give generals a new mission. (Apr 2008)


• $2.7 billion each week of Iraq spending is unsustainable. (Feb 2008)


• Humanitarian aid now for displaced Iraqis. (Feb 2008)


• FactCheck: Overstated displaced Iraqis; actually 4.2 million. (Feb 2008)


• The Iraq war has undermined our security. (Jan 2008)


• Iraq is distracting us from a host of global threats. (Jan 2008)


• End the war, and end the mindset that got us into war. (Jan 2008)


• The Iraq war was conceptually flawed from the start. (Jan 2008)


• Title of Iraq war authorization bill stated its intent. (Jan 2008)


• Get our troops out by the end of 2009. (Jan 2008)


• No permanent bases in Iraq. (Jan 2008)


• FactCheck: No, violence in Iraq is LOWER than 2 years ago. (Jan 2008)


• Congress decides deployment level & duration, not president. (Dec 2007)


• Surge strategy has made a difference in Iraq but failed. (Nov 2007)


• Leave troops for protection of Americans & counterterrorism. (Sep 2007)


• Hopes to remove all troops from Iraq by 2013, but no pledge. (Sep 2007)


• Tell people the truth: quickest is 1-2 brigades per month. (Sep 2007)


• No good options in Iraq--just bad options & worse options. (Aug 2007)


• Be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in. (Jul 2007)


• We live in a more dangerous world because of Bush's actions. (Jun 2007)


• Case for war was weak, but people voted their best judgment. (Jun 2007)


• War in Iraq is "dumb" but troops still need equipment. (Apr 2007)


• Open-ended Iraq occupation must end: no military solution. (Apr 2007)


• Saddam is a tyrant but not a national security threat. (Mar 2007)


• Iraq 2002: ill-conceived venture; 2007: waste of resources. (Feb 2007)


• Saddam did not own and was not providing WMD to terrorists. (Oct 2004)


• Iraq War has made US less safe from terrorism. (Oct 2004)


• Invading Iraq was a bad strategic blunder. (Oct 2004)


• Democratizing Iraq will be more difficult than Afghanistan. (Oct 2004)


• Never fudge numbers or shade the truth about war. (Jul 2004)


• Set a new tone to internationalize the Iraqi reconstruction. (Jul 2004)


• Iraq war was sincere but misguided, ideologically driven. (Jul 2004)


• Not opposed to all wars, but opposed to the war in Iraq. (Jul 2004)


• International voice in Iraq in exchange for debt forgiveness. (Jul 2004)

Trouble Spots

• Iran is biggest strategic beneficiary of invasion of Iraq. (May 2008)


• Military surge in Afghanistan to eliminate the Taliban. (May 2008)


• Take no options off the table if Iran attacks Israel. (Apr 2008)


• Two-state solution: Israel & Palestine side-by-side in peace. (Feb 2008)


• Al Qaida is based in northwest Pakistan; strike if needed. (Jan 2008)


• No action against Iran without Congressional authorization. (Dec 2007)


• Iran: Bush does not let facts get in the way of ideology. (Dec 2007)


• Meet directly for diplomacy with the leadership in Iran. (Nov 2007)


• Committed to Iran not having nuclear weapons. (Oct 2007)


• Iran military resolution sends the region a wrong signal. (Oct 2007)


• Deal with al Qaeda on Pakistan border, but not with nukes. (Aug 2007)


• Military action in Pakistan if we have actionable intel. (Aug 2007)


• FactCheck: Yes, Obama said invade Pakistan to get al Qaeda. (Aug 2007)


• Focus on battle in Afghanistan and root out al Qaeda. (Jun 2007)


• Bush cracked down on some terrorists' financial networks. (Jun 2007)


• Iraq has distracted us from Taliban in Afghanistan. (Apr 2007)


• Iran with nuclear weapons is a profound security threat. (Apr 2007)


• We did the right thing in Afghanistan. (Mar 2007)


• We are playing to Osama's plan for winning a war from a cave. (Oct 2006)


• Al Qaida is stronger than before thanks to the Bush doctrine. (Jan 2006)


• Terrorists are in Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iran. (Oct 2004)


• Problems with current Israeli policy. (Jul 2004)


• Engage North Korea in 6-party talks. (Jul 2004)


• Use moral authority to work towards Middle East peace. (Jul 2004)

Voting Record

• Voted to fund war until 2006; now wants no blank check. (Nov 2007)


• Late to vote against war is not late to oppose war. (Jun 2007)


• Spending on the Cold War relics should be for the veterans. (Jun 2007)


• Would have voted no to authorize the President to go to war. (Jul 2004)


• Voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)


• Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)


• Voted YES on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Nov 2005)

I've seen a lot of the video clips and pictures also.  You know there is so much hoopla about everything in politics, it's really hard for me to believe anything I see much less anything I hear.  I think we've sunk so low in our politics that the one who can throw the most mud is the one who will win. I don't care about Obama's association of 40 years ago.  I do care about his recent so-called church affiliation.  I do not care if Palin fired the guy for not firing her ex-brother-in-law (of course she did).  I do care that all she can talk about is how "bad" Obama is and how "saintly" John McCain is.  Pull the string and see what Sarah says.

The common sense side of me tells me that most of the garbage we hear from both campaigns is stuff dug up by the other side trying to discredit the other candidate. 

A MOST aggravating thing happened this morning.......a REPUBLICAN acquaintance stopped by to see us this morning.  The unexpected call was to campaign for John McCain.  He got ANGRY when I told him I wasn't voting for either candidate. Pretty much called me a redneck hillbilly for not agreeing with him.  LOL

VOTING WITH A WRITE IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS.

AN AMERICAN FOREIGN LEGION: IS THE US MILITARY NOW AN IMPERIAL POLICE FORCE?

Sunday 15 February 2009

New US Army recruits. (Photo: Tech. Sgt. Mike R. Smith / USAF)

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If they are cheaper it is because they are literally that....cheaper cars.  You pay for what you get.  I've seen so many American made cars throughout my family where they have put 200,000+ miles on vehicles and they keep going.  I've driven so many different types of vehicles since my husband runs a car dealership and I have to say that American trumps foreign any day in my opinion.  I will NEVER own a foreign car.  Ain't happenin.  You will more than likely see my happy butt in a Chevy of some type.  I'm currently driving a Chevy Uplander and I friggin LOVE it!  I have no problem telling someone their vehicle is a foreign piece of crap.  In fact, I recently told my best friend's sister that was what her Honda was.  LOL!

I sickens me how the victims of this disaster are now being blamed and vilified by people on the conservative board!

My son (age 20) told me that he met some people last night who were speaking the same way - in essence, that it was the fault pf the citizens of New Orleans for not getting out in time, etc, that they deserved to not be rescued sooner, and that the government was not to blame at all.

And I'm sure those conservative posters on the other board probably consider themselves good Christians and not racist at all.

Meanwhile, it is apparent that our president could do (or not do) anything at all and they will blindly defend him...

I'm going to focus on the positive and not visit that board at all.

We have sent money to the Red Cross and all my children donated clothes to the Salvation Army. This morning our priest said that some evacuees may be relocating to our area, and our parish will welcome them! These are our brothers and sisters in Christ...

good night and peace to ya'll

respects other people's beliefs that are different from his own and supports separation of church and state.  I guess all we can learn from this issue is that Joe Biden will never personally have an abortion.  Good job, Joe.

"My point is proven by your post.  You stated that when Obama gets into office, for me to look around and see how many names I can pronounce.. "

This happened under Clinton before Bush. Can't pronounce half the names now. Guess I fell down on my research a bit as I didn't see anything about the "Muslim for Stowe, OH" appointed by Bush.