I seriously hope she's not campaigning for 2012.
Posted By: Zville MT on 2009-02-18
In Reply to: In case you didn't notice....(sm) - Just the big bad
I think that would be a huge mistake on her part. I think she over-estimates her popularity.
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Someone should tell him he won...why is he still campaigning every day
He's not campaigning...(sm)
He's letting the people of this country know where he stands and what he's doing. He has said numerous times he wants the government to be transparent. This is what it looks like.
I find it rather refreshing after 8 years in the dark. If all else fails, there's always the remote.
Obama has been campaigning since...
his address to the DNC how many years ago? That argument does not hold water.
When Presidents multitask, they need to prioritize. What is more important to you, as an American holding a 700 billion bag potentially? A debate and presidential campaign, or getting this fixed before the economy tanks? What should your president's priority be in a case like that? This is a crisis unlike anything we have seen.
are you honestly saying that a campaign trumps the financial crisis? Are you actually saying you are comfortable with a President who would make that decision?
Sarah is still campaigning...(sm)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/28/sarah-palin-political-action-committee
I soooo hope she runs in 2012. How about Rush/Palin 2012.....ROFL....
In your mind he should stop campaigning?
Evil, evil mind
I disagree. The republicans are still campaigning...sm
and rehashing the same old points. As a whole, I do not think the democrats are bitter, but rather hopeful and filled with joy, willing to extend a hand across the aisle, but the republicans are still trying to win us over to their way of thinking and keep trashing the man we voted for and is now the president elect. The man has not even taken office yet and criticism of his presidency has very prematurely begun. Give the guy a change for goodness sake.
Obama didn't even stop campaigning to mourn
I'm with you -- it's ridiculous to think we need a moratorium on this board.
Obama did say he would send more troops to Afghanistan while he was campaigning - nm
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Here's what I would like to see by 2012
1. Get rid of the electoral college. It's obsolete and completely out of touch with its constituents now. It was necessary when it was instituted - the country was young with a large portion of its population being illiterate, without the technology for communication we have today, etc.
2. No more presidential candidates/elections. Let's put all the issues on a nation-wide ballot and vote. Decide what we, as a nation, want to do about all of the national issues.
3. Once we have our voted decisions on the national issues, hire a President to carry out what the nation has decided to do. Provide the criteria to be realized for a successful employment scenario and what would constitute failure in the role. Maintain the right to terminate for failure. Bonus for success. No bonus, no severance pay for failure. Charges for corruption.
I'm done.
Not really shocking....she wants to run again in 2012.
No one knows how they are going to vote. No one knows what they are saying behind closed doors, although they give Obama lukewarm support to the public. I would not be surprised if they vote for McCain. Would not surprise me at all. Would not surprise me if they are, in unseen ways, subverting Obama's cammpaign.
And then again, maybe Bill is being honest and really feels that way. It is true, McCain has always acknowledged global warming and climate change, much to the dismay of many of his colleagues, and he does have a better record on it than Obama does. McCain has never toed the party line, and that is one of the things I like most about him.
I'm with you! Arnold 2012!!! (nm)
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Schwarzenegger 2012!!!
LOL!!!
We WILL have an election in 2012 - that is what most go by
The audacity to automatically assume Obama will serve until 2017 is what is going to get you in trouble.
Since you don't understand the simple concept let me explain it for you. Please read slowly so you can grasp reality.
Since America has had it's first president we have had elections every four years. Therefore, seeing as we have just had an election in 2008 and Obama takes office in 2009, our next election will be in 2012.
Your antics and rhetoric of just assuming that Obama will be in there for a second term I would say is a bit premature. Let's let him at least get sworn in and see what kind of a job he does as president. A lot can happen in four years. If he survives then in four years he can think of running again. If Bill Clinton had done half the stuff he did in his second term when he was in his first term he might have not had a second term. We don't know yet if Obama will be keeping his campaign promises or what kind of President he will be.
Here's some reality for you. Obama may turn out to be an absolutely fantastic president. We can all hope for that. So...he could turn out to be a good president and then again he may not be a good president. We won't know until after he has served in the role. Also, you are assuming that because GW was not a good president that every single other living republican would not be a good president and that is just not true. If you believe that then you have a very distorted viewpoint of politics. There are some very good republicans and there are some very good democrats. Just like there are some very bad republicans and there are some very bad democrats. Obama is too new and we don't know what category he falls into yet.
The truth of the matter is that we WILL have another election in four years. Which means the republican party has got four years to really get it together and pick someone that is decent to run against whoever the next democratic nominee will be, whether it is Obama or if he doesn't last whoever else they are going to put in there.
Also we have the congress/senate/house to think of - you know all those people who vote on issues and who have gotten our country in the trouble it is in now (I'm not blaming either side alone - there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides). No, sorry to burst your bubble but GW didn't crap on this country all by his little ol self. The people in the senate who vote on issues did that. So...if for the next four years we see a continuation of the decline of our country, America will probably say, enough with the democrats, we need to bring back a republican president. Not very many people are keen on the idea that every single thing is now being run by one political side. We do need a balance to our government.
One other factor to think about is all the people that Obama is appointing to his cabinet. I'm seeing on this board by a lot of posts that there are a lot of people who, while they are enthusiastic and excited that Obama was elected, they are way not excited that he keeps bringing the old Clinton people back and people who have no experience. Those were the same people who made a mess of things back then and now he's bringing them back in. What he owes them I have no idea but for him to campaign that he is the ONLY candidate who can unite the two parties and he will hire both sides to evenly balance things, that is the first campaign promise he has broken.
Lastly, without any doubt there are some scandals looming about. These are not fabrications. It's just the truth. People he was involved with and are still involved with. Who he owes favors to, the BC thing (whether or not it will get resolved is another story). There is just too much to be ignored. I do understand the loathing that people have for Bush and they would have rather elected a dog rather than another republican, therefore most were saying, so what and tried to bebunk a lot of the issues, however, the issues are real and will not be going away. Not saying that GW doesn't have his share of issues, but I'm not writing a post about GW. Anyway...with the issues that Obama has, one just doesn't know what the next four years will bring for us.
So, taking all that in account, a better approach would be to just say you hope Obama is a good president (as we all do because we want to see our country succeed) and in four years if he turns out to be good then he will be up for re-election. However to just say that its a fact that he will be in for 8 years is a bit arrogant (and nauseating).
Of course there will be an election in 2012
and with the GOP ensconced in this kind of denial and its party still in shambles, the results are a foregone conclusion. Thus, the 2929 count continues. The OP is the only prescription the GOP has to even hope to have a noticeable presence in 2012.
2012 candidate
A possible candidate. I hope so.
http://draftsanford2012.com/
None of this will matter after December 2012 anyway.
and the bickering goes on and on and on, until when? Till 2012?
Good night !
Sorry - "...will be running for office in 2012". SM
We must throw the current residents of Washington out of office, including this loony-left total disaster of a President, his cronies, and also the folks on the other side of the aisle who have become entrenched in power and have been no better in representing the middle-of-the-road Americans who by far constitute the majority in this country.
Let's CLEAN HOUSE!
In 2012 none of our votes will matter, if anyone
The signs will be obvious and the end will be eminent. You should worry less about politics and more about your soul, as should we all.
I'm becoming more hopeful by the day. By 2012, the chickens
...a lot of voters will have lost their enchantment with the "idea" of voting for a President on the basis of his race or his superficial, glib mannerisms. In fact, if the Democrats themselves continue on the path they're starting to follow, I'm not entirely sure he'll be renominated!
The press can't change any of this, either. About 80% of the American population doesn't even watch the evening news on any of the so-called "main" networks.
American undeveloped nation by 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqW1-aA5aMg
Did he decide to cancel the 2012 election? (nm)
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With the vast wasteland that is the GOP 2012 field of contenders
don't expect her to come out from under the microscope anytime soon. Nailin Palin will become a national passtime at least until then. It is helpful to document anything and everything along the way so that patterns of behavior and subsequent analysis can be backed up with concrete data, not smear, innuendo and baseless accusations. Pretty much, that's how elections are won, or lost, depending on where you're coming from.
If Palin pursues prez bid in 2012, lies matter.
All of them. Vigilent watch on Obama is the order of the day and pervades dialog on this forum. Doesn't hurt to start the SP watch now, document it well and be prepared.
as opposed to the vast wasteland of one (Obama) demigod in 2012...
and I read that McCain failed to endorse her for 2012 in an interview - nm
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Good for Joe! I hope so. And I hope he sues...
the governor of the state of Ohio from now to next week. He should. They BIG time violated his civil rights. If this situation was reversed and he was a Dem who had asked McCain a question and a state had had him investigated, the ACLU would be all over this like ugly on an ape. Liberals only care about other liberals...they could care LESS what happens to conservatives. But yeah, they are all about civil liberties. Geez. Pull the other leg awhile.
Nope, 4 years 11 days (1471 days or 1383 til 11/4/2012)
You do really need to learn how to count until 11/4/2012 or 1/20/2013.
Also, sorry to hear in four years you won't care anymore.
I sure hope not...I hope he has extra, extra protection sm
I think regardless of which candidate wins they will need extra security this time.
have to say hope you are so right!
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I hope so, too.
Can only hope and pray. 
sure hope this comes out.
Certainly something nice for kids to see a president do, flash the birdie.
It would be my hope---
That a concerted effort would have ALWAYS been made to keep bashing down on BOTH sides by the moderator.
I noticed that the posts below one of my recent entries were all deleted. It makes me feel bad that the time and effort put into those posts were lost. I guess that's the chance we take on a privately-moderated forum and I should have been prepared for that.
I really really hope that you..
or anyone in your family never become disabled in any way, that no one in your family will marry or adopt a minority member, that mental illness or mental deficiency never crosses your doorstep, that someone in your family converts to another faith, that you never lose your job, your savings, your house, your car or anything else you hold dear. I hope you never lose your family and/or friends and have to go it alone. I hope you are never put into a situation where you are frightened and have not a clue what to do. I hope you never lose health or home or car insurance or are rejected for a claim you might make and have to pay yourself and find that you can't. I hope you and your family never make a mistake, especially one that is made public in any way. I do not think those of you who are always pounding the **victim** **entitlement** drum would have absolutely no idea how to deal with what great numbers of Americans deal with every day. The real arrogance is that you believe you have arrived at this superior status on your own. Most of us were born with a leg up; a lot of us were not. Those with the leg up got a big free jump ahead 300 spaces. We were born into the families we were, in the country we were and Creator, not us, is responsible for that.
As far as the people in Lebanon, they flew in to the Beirut airport of their own accord. Since the airport was blown up, other measures needed to be explored. What would you have done??
Let us hope you are also the last.
This is the liberal board and you are to refrain from personal attacks. I am sure you will now make endless excuses about the nasty comments made regarding Raven/Lurker's ideology (as well as anyone else foolish enough to post on a LIBERAL board daring to espouse a LIBERAL philosophy), and the Liberal board will once again because a far right-wing poster child for short-sighted philosophy of war and dumbfoundingly ignorant accusations against all Democrats/liberals/or-anyone-with-half-a-brain-who-has-a-conscience. I await this result, ad nauseum.
I hope you are right - I truly am.
You are correct. I cannot stand either of them. It literally makes me ill to watch them. Don't ask me why because I just can't put my finger on it, but when she or Bill is speaking I find my stomach gets nauseous - and I voted for him the first time he ran. I was for him for about his first 2 years in office, then I started learning more and more about he and Hillary and what their plans were. Guess I was blinded by the lies and when it all started coming out I realized the person he was as president and the person who ran for president were two different people. I think its just basically because they are such manipulating liars and I can't for the life of me understand why anyone believes anything they say. I have not yet found anything they say to be credible. You know when everyone talks about Richard Nixon they'll say what a bad person he was he was impeached and once he left office nobody paid attention to him. If they mentioned his name all I kept hearing was "impeached, impeached", but when you hear Bill's followers will never say "he was impeached". You know I really didn't have a hard time with them at all until after I started reading about their history and all the illegal things they've done throughout their careers to get where they are (and they got away with it). I told my DH, so-n-so went to jail for that, what is keeping these two out, especially when there is proof of what they've done. They'll come out and say such-n-such a person does this or that (eluding to something imoral), when in fact they have done the same exact thing. But then again all politicians do it. It also made me nauseous when we tried explaining to my MIL things he was doing (illegal things) and her only come back was "but he's so cute". That's all she had for an answer to everything. "Hey mom, do you realize he lied to America? and do you realize this was illegal?" - "Yes, but he's so good looking and it was only a little lie". Ignorance like that is just what really irritates me to the core.
I know I have to calm down. I was real calm when I turned off the TV and stopped seeing those two faces, but then I go and turn on the news and they are still in it - so off the TV will go again.
I do understand they are an influential part of politics - why for the life of me I don't know. He's an impeached ex president. Nothing more. He didn't do anything to improve the lives of Americans - he put us deeper in debt. Taxes were the highest when he was in office than anyone can remember. Okay, in all fairness I do give Hillary credit for being the first female to get as far as she has running for present, but that's about all the credit I give her. If her values are to teach young girls that they can lie, cheat and steal to get whatever they want, along with crying when you don't get your own way, telling people you are staying in because an assassination could happen in June and you need to be there to pick up the pieces? (Those were her words no matter what way anyone wants to spin it). Oh my!!! Well that's not a characteristic I would ever want any of my children to daughters to have. Not only through her campaign, but also things she has done and said in her political career and as first lady also factor into why I think she is just a horrible person. At the convention I do see her as an important person (maybe in my last post I didn't think so, but I do think it is important for her to be there), but the impeached ex-president should not. He disgraced the office and the trust that millions (well I don't know if it was millions but it was a lot) had in him. He used his position as president to keep having his affairs, and other stuff he did. I can't even imagine what Monica was thinking when the guy that she was in love with and was sleeping with (even though he was married) when he was asked why he had an affair he said "because I could". Not because I love her, or even because I care about her. No "because I could". The respect he shows towards women is Zero. Everyone will talk about John Edwards, how awful he had an affair. Or John McCain, how awful what he called his wife and what he did to his wife, but people are excusing what Bill Clinton did. Why? Oh I forgot "because he's so good looking". He may do a lot for races (people of color), but I think its all a sham. I don't know about Fox news cos I don't listen to them (got tired of one viewpoint all the time), but just listen to the comments he makes "Barack's only winning because he's black". "Barack won such-n-such an area because that's where Jesse Jackson won", etc, etc. The comments go on and on. His statements he makes in public to me show me that he is a racist and that's why I said he can hide behind his walls but he will always be a racist in my opinion. And giving people of color jobs that didn't even pay enough that they could support themselves and still had to get food stamps, while taking away good paying jobs from other people to ship them over seas (NAFTA), well that also lessened my respect for him and what he was doing to America and American's. He never cared about me or other people in America and the people who were getting the big tax breaks were the 1% of the wealthiest (those same people they claim Bush gives the tax breaks to). My family, my friends, and my families friends were all losing their jobs and houses while he was president. So I guess that's another reason why I can't stand him.
I do think that Hillary might be able to help bring the party together but I really don't believe Bill would. People like to see him speak - sure he is a mesmerizing person (although when I see him the hair on the back of my neck stands up and there is just something creepy and evil about him). I really do not think we should be having someone who disgraced the office of president and was impeached speak at the convention. Go if he wants to of course, but he should not be allowed to speak. Did the republicans have Richard Nixon speak? No because he was impeached and disgraced the office.
I just think those two are the sleeziest couple in politics. Although I do have to say there are a bunch more who are equally as sleezy, but they do stand out at the top.
So those are my lowly opinions. I'm sorry I feel that way, I wish I felt better about them but I just don't.
I truly hope that I never have to
depend on someone else's hard earned money to support myself and my family. Even if I had to, I would work hard to get back on my own two feet as soon as I could. I truly do hope things get better because things are truly scary right now. My husband runs a car dealership and he makes the money in our family. However, car sales are down so low right now that I don't even want to think about the money he will be losing come bonus check time.
I just feel like these government programs keep the little guy down. I thought the whole idea was assist people so they can better their situation and then become self-supporting. Instead...we have more and more people living off of the government with no plan or intent of trying to better their situation. They just want that monthly check.
I just think that taking more money from the hard workers and giving it away doesn't show much incentive to work hard in life. Why bother. The more you make, the more they take while people who don't work at all live off of your hard-earned money that is taken away from you.
Stop enabling people to mooch off of the government. The numbers will only rise and get worse.
I hope so
I hope the crap hits the fan and he never steps foot in office.....
did he really do that, oh I hope so...
too bad there could not be an obama/mccain ticket, but not that mccain from the past few months...
I should hope that SP
would remain only an embarrassment to Alaskans rather than becoming embarrassment to the United States of American as I am sure she would/will.
I hope you don't think s/m
that they're just going to accept the SC's decision? My money will go to bet that now they will start with the "supreme court didn't hear the case; therefore, they did not rule" so the madness will just continue. Or maybe they'll bring out that old ancient hippy.....who knows but I'll bet these most likely PAID political nut jobs aren't just going to roll over and play dead.
Hope you're feeling better Marmann.
Hope so.
Can't wait until Wednesday, Nov. 5, to find out.
I hope you get what you want
and you're happy with what you get.
All we can hope for
is that God will work in the heart of WHOMEVER gets elected, democrat or republican. I have faith that God will do the right thing. Of course, as many Christians know, often what we HOPE the right thing is and what God KNOWS the right thing is are two different things.
But like I've said before, this nation has pushed God out of here so much, I wonder if maybe he is finally giving us what we asked for. Us as Christians sat idly by and let it happen, and those who don't want Him here may finally get what they want. I just hope that through our prayers and repentance we may see a change.
I just want you all to know that whether we agree or not on politics and whatever else, I pray for any of you who don't know Christ that you get to know Him and the love He gives, and that those of you who are my sisters (and brothers!) in Christ will have strength and courage in these troubling times.
And with that I'm off to bed! Good night!
Oh yes you are. I just hope there are no
young people around you whom have had to relive this with you year in and year out. I know those that have and they never feel encouraged to strive to be all they can be. Instead, they grow up to feel someone owes them something and they feel just as angry and bitter, even though they have never had to live the horrible situation you did. They're basically raised to use that hatred and bitterness as an excuse not to take advantage of a good education and make as much of themselves as possible.
I hope everyone
has a good night. It's been fun!
We can hope..........sm
LOL. Besides, I didn't want anyone jumping on you for something you did not say. In the OP defense, it is hard to follow a thread when most posters are not using a consistent moniker. I'm guilty of the same thing at times, but not on this board. I am m, I will always be m. :o)
One can only hope that all will.
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I hope he does
Whatever happened to separation of church and state? I am an athiest, so when you say the bishop and other religious leaders say abortion is a sin, that sounds to me like you are just once again pushing religion. I have a serious problem with others assuming abortion should even be an issue in an election, much less a government decision on any level.
Hope
I hope that if he is elected that he doesnt let everyone who voted for him down. I am afraid that there is such a big chance that those that support him now are in for a big surprise and not in a good way. I really hope that I am wrong
I should hope
you aren't too lazy to research for yourself. If you take everything you get from this board as truth then no wonder we're in trouble. I have researched EVERYTHING about both these candidates ON MY OWN until I'm exhausted. I remember what I need to remember but I don't keep a running list of links to prove what I only intended to prove to myself. So maybe you could try google. You can enter a question about ANYTHING and it will bring you up plenty of references. Hope this helps.
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