I see both sides, but this is technically a LOAN
Posted By: not bailout. There is a difference.nm on 2008-12-04
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Both sides should have a choice, on both sides, pregnant woman and doctor...nm
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Technically...
Many people were calling Bush a criminal right after the election because of the supposed stolen election. Just saying...
By the way, technically Gore did win . . .
in 2000. He was cheated out of that election by . . . oh let's see . . . by the crooked business that went down in Florida which happened to have Bush's brother as governor. Maybe you were sleeping when all that went down and came out as fact! And another thing, 98% of the hate spewing on this board has been by the McCain/Palin fans, but I guess they learned how to be that way from those hate mongerers that they support!! No hatred here . . . just calls 'em as I sees 'em.
Technically, it does benefit someone.... sm
The oil execs, the oil field workers, the gas and oil distributors, the gas station owners, and several ancillary industries do benefit from the higher gas prices. I have a friend who is a consultant in the oil industry at the production level. He was clearing 5 figures a month prior to the reduction in gas prices but has been out of work for the past 6 weeks or so. Granted, he does have a nice little nest egg on which to coast for a while, but he is still a consumer and still is affected by the reduction in oil prices.
I'm not trying to justify the rise in gas prices as being right because it does bring work to a certain sector of the work force, but rather I am just saying that in the oil industry, as with any area of the work force, what may benefit them may not benefit all people. So it will also be with Obama's stimulus package. What puts money in your pocket, for example, may not help me at all or may even adversely affect me.
And technically how do you figure that?
My husband is currently on active duty in Iraq, doing everything he can to stay alive to come home to his family. He is being shot at and has had suicide bombers attack his post twice. To him, and me, this is war, no doubt. And while yes you have the extremists there that want the US out, there are many more "every day people" who want them there and to stay because they know what will happen once the US pulls out. These people are extremely grateful to my husband and the other men/women of the military that are there for taking down Saddam Hussein and allowing them to live their lives more freely.
Technically he is eligible to run - see message
He may have been born in Panama but his parents are both US Citizens, hence he is a natural born. When I was in the army in Germany and my child was born he was a US citizen because both parents are US citizens. While Obama's mother may have been American his father was not and when he was born in Kenya he was not an American citizen. He became an Indonesian citizen to attend their schools. Indonesia was at war at that time and did not allow dual citizenship, hence the only way for Obama to attend school was to be an Indonesian citizen. It is still being investigated if he ever changed citizenship after he was an adult to the US.
You do know that McCain isn't technically eligible to run for president, right?
The hypocrisy in all of this just ... man. Sometimes it's really hard to remain independent, just because the draw to be anti-McCain is so, so strong.
Please, please know that John McCain is absolutely NOT constitutionally eligible to be president either. The blame goes both ways (if, in fact, Obama turns out to not have been born on Hawaiian soil).
It's an issue EITHER WAY. Regardless of WHO IS ELECTED (if the above caveat is met).
Feel free to educate yourself:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11mccain.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23415028/
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/07/11/McCain_not_natural-born_citizen_prof_says/UPI-86721215783410/
technically not even president-elect until electoral college meets. nm
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Big 3 loan
I promise to absorb all opinions without comment. I'm willing to learn.
How do you all feel about this topic now?
Most importantly, please explain why you feel one way or the other.
We must LOAN them the
money. You don't cut off your nose to spite your face. We are circling the drain in this nation and it will take some massive, painful steps to correct the situation. I am totally against the honchos making that ridiculous amt of money. that can be addressed secondarily - get the nation back on its feet and then reform. I will not support destroying the middle class by unemployment, etc, just because I resent those at the top.
We need to loan them a contigent of our....
far left folks. Introduce a little socialism and entitlements out the kazoo to our neighbors in the south...then I bet Mexico would be building fences to keep the illegals from coming BACK. Sigh. Hellooo...why do people think they COME here??? lol. Ridiculous. They aren't interested in becoming citizens, those who CHOOSE to remain illegal...they want social security never having paid in a DIME, they want free health care, a job with no taxes taken, to live on OUR dime and to some folks, I guess that is just A-OK. Go figure. Why don't THEY feed them then? Why can't we put signs at the border directing them to these folks' houses? Sigh.
Just take out a student loan.
If you're lucky you'll be dead before you have to pay it off. Apparently nobody else is paying theirs back...
Didn't Michelle Obama say they were still (in their 40s) paying on theirs? Got that mansion in Illinois, but can't pay back their student loans? Wasn't this in a speech she gave in Zanesville, OH when she told people to forego college and get into the 'service sector' because the Obamas were still paying off student loans? Now her husband says we need a degree in order to work in the US? Wow! What must pillow-talk be like in that bedroom?
Yeah, GIVE AIG whatever, but loan the big 3
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Didn't they mention something about a loan
I was watching Bill O'Reilly with my husband last night, and I thought they mentioned giving them a loan that has to be paid back rather than a bailout, or is that the same thing?
They'll just take out another loan from China to pay for it
they should be ashamed. And Obama can't be blamed for this one.
Hillary is broke, had to loan herself 5 million.sm
LOL. Maybe she will use her money and Bill's speaking engagement fees to pay for our new Universal Healthcare Program.
Clinton loaned her campaign $5 million
Senator Hillary Clinton confirmed at a press conference in Virginia this afternoon that she'd loaned her campaign $5 million, and said, "The results last night proved the wisdom of my investment.."
Spokesman Howard Wolfson emailed with the news minutes earlier:
Late last month Senator Clinton loaned her campaign $5 million.The loan illustrates Sen. Clinton’s commitment to this effort and to ensuring that our campaign has the resources it needs to compete and win across this nation. We have had one of our best fundraising efforts ever on the web today and our Super Tuesday victories will only help in bringing more support for her candidacy.
As I reported earlier, she's drawing on a pool of personal wealth estimated to be as much as $41 million, as well as a reported payout to Bill Clinton of $20 million from the Los Angeles billionaire manager Ron Burkle.
Clinton told reporters that her fundraising was healthy, but that "my opponent was able to raise more money, and we intended to be competitive, and we were."
Clinton also emailed supporters today with an ambitious online fundraising goal: to, over the course of three days, "raise $3 million to fund our history-making campaign."
No, not at all. But, leaves the bank with no money to loan.
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Why such a huge deal made about the auto LOAN
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I support the plan to LOAN the money to the mortage firms in crisis.
At 2% interest.
Why should they be GIVEN a huge wad of cash to bail them out. If you or I were in desperate straits, our only option would be a loan, not a gimmee. Either way, Congress is going to have to give them the money. But I think we should expect a pay-back plan to be set forth BEFORE they get the dough, and not just give them a blank check for 700 billion.
She did loan her campaign 10 million dollars - she owes over 20 million - but...
Hillary says she is not worried about paying herself off, just the other people she owes money to (but I bet she will get her money back somehow). I just read where Barack personally wrote her a check himself for $2300 (the most by law any individual can contribute to a campaign).
The problem is her donors expect him to help her pay this money off if he wants them to continue to support his campaign financially, and he needs their money to finance the general election campaign. Also, they say Hillary can devote more time campaigning and helping his financial situation if she is not having to try to raise money still for her debts.
So anyway, there it is in a nutshell...
Exactly....and that happens on both sides...
in all seriousness...without the jibes...I have two big issues with the Dem candidates, that being the abortion issue and the endless tax and spend for social programs. I am not against social programs, I am just against the waste associated with it and the constant assault on the paycheck. The average in the US is 30-35% of your paycheck off the top in taxes. Can't we all agree that is enough? Why create more programs or throw more money at programs that aren't working? Why not look at the programs and cut the waste. Look to helping people better themselves instead of pushing assistance higher up the income ladder. Because it is we in the middle class who suffer the most. Pretty soon there will not be any middle class at all, because they will then be the working poor on the assistance that goes higher up the ladder.
There is such a thing as a conservative Democrat...who believes in fiscal responsibility.
And I will be the first one to say that the Bush Adminstration has strayed way away from that...fiscal responsibility. While I agree with him on some things...I sure don't agree with him on that.
I fear Hillary's national health plan because I know Canada's is not working the way it should...and it is horribly expensive to the taxpayer. Up there, their median is 50-55% of their taxes off the top, and the #1 place for that money to go is the universal health care. And even if you have the money to pay for an operation, you can't jump the waiting list. Hence, they come here for it.
I would just hope that whoever wins will look at the long-reaching ramifications before just jumping in. Be that Hillary or a Republican....because I do think Hillary will get the nomination. I can't see it go any other way...unless something drastic happens between now and the primary. Of course, we won't see all the ugliness (on both sides) until a little later. I guess the proof will be in the pudding.
What do you have against 2 sides
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Yes, they can be - on BOTH sides.
Someone makes a wise crack about it being nice to have someone with a triple digit IQ - when in FACT they don't know what Bush's IQ is OR the possible that Barack has a higher OR lower IQ score. The problem is the people who post don't know. They have just an outright hatred and loathing for the republicans. Well how would they feel if I went and said Obama has an IQ of 68 or something so absurd. They wouldn't. You know what, having a high IQ doesn't mean squat. I know a lot of people with degrees and high IQs and they are more of imbs than people without degrees. Just another put down for Bush they they think is cute and funny. It's not! We get it already. They don't like Bush, they hate him, and some of them like my MIL will come right out and say what they want to happen to Bush (i.e. the same thing Hillary said would happen to BO and that is why she is staying in).
I'm really getting tired of the utter hatred and disdain for Bush, and the constant Bush bashing I see on this board. Calling him stoopid, etc, etc. when there are no facts to back it up (unless they are sitting with his school transcipts on their desk). You know I like Obama. I think he's an okay guy. I don't care for Bush. Never have, but this utter hatred and lies get to be a bit too much. Then of course they find websites to try to "validate" what they are saying, yet they won't post websites that go against what they are saying. I'm just sick of the whole thing. The next 4 years should be interesting. Not going to say O is going to fail, but I'm also not putting him up on a pedistal and praising him while I dance around in circles chanting his name like most on this board are doing. Then again if he does fail I expect no comments from the libs on that one. For him it will be okay.
Uh...that isn't what I said. I said it happens all the time and both sides do it.
Are you sure you read MY post? Just wondering because it didn't sound like it from your response. Man, you guys are trigger happy!
Is good, but not see here. Sad for all both sides.
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Could it be possible there are 2 sides to the story? sm
The US, UK, and Israel also have a long and colorful history of 'creating incidents' to further their own agendas. I would say control of the Middle East is something at the top of the list. Hezbollah is wrong to send rockets into Israel. In fact, they are all wrong, but what do you expect them to do just wait there and be incinerated by Israel?
I'm sure both sides are represented.
There are soldiers for the war and those against. It's all there if you look hard enough. Absolutely....both sides are well represented.
Both sides say things like that
Obviously, living up someone's rear-end is not something that is to be taken literally - that is why I called it a joke - maybe not the best terminology.
My problem is when people say things about certain groups of people and they mean it literally - hence the reason that I specifically mentioned Anne Coulter's discussion and did not add anyone else mentioned in the OP's message.
This kind of crass talk happens on both sides of the fence. Do you have anyone in your family that is a registered Democrat? Do you lump them in with your comments about liberals? (also in comments on the conservative board) I have close family members that are registered Republicans. That is why I do not make sweeping remarks about all Republicans or conservatives. I'm trying to be very specific in my comments because everyone is obviously different.
Racism is on both sides......not just one
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Both sides of this issue.....sm
The emotional part of me, that loves wildlife, absolutely and completely hates this practice. The governor before Gov. Palin did this, as well.
Intellectually, however, my husband and I talked about this last night. I have to realize that things are different in the state of Alaska, and we down here in the lower 48 can't judge them for this, as we don't understand all the facts. Sam posted them down below. It's a different mindset, when it comes to predator control versus the herd availability for the people of Alaska who are subsistence hunters, and need that caribou to make it through the winter.
I would much rather to let nature take its course, and let the predator and prey take each other out, the way nature intended it. However, throw humans in the mix, and it does change things.
All that taken into account, I still don't have to like it. But I can respect Alaska's decision to do this, even if I disagree.
Yep. there are two sides to every story....
you just have to choose the side that fits your view for your country. Godspeed in your search. :)
On ALL sides--does not necessarily mean sm
this fiasco is partisan--only that the current administration (GOP) allowed all entities to run amok. It's the financial world versus the common man, now vice versa. As one pundit said tonight, The public shouldn't have to pick up the broken chairs when they weren't invited to the party.
Hey, the hate has come from both sides.
It's so extreme now.
There are SMs from both sides of the fence
Take the above posts, for example:
Fitzgerald renews interest in Rezko-Obama deal
If you read anything on here, read this.
This should disturb every honorable citizen
Your stereotypes are inaccurate and pretty boring.
I can see both sides of the argument
Yes, many people are getting threatened and businesses getting picketed for supporting Prop 8. You cannot deny that (what was the pink taliban or whatever that disrupted church service a month or so ago?)
But on the other hand, if they want these donations anonymous, than that means Obama and other politicians can make their donations anonymous, and I think it's the publics right to know who is financing the next leaders of the country.
I just find it interesting that the homosexuals are assaulting and threatening supporters of the Prop 8 for what they believe in when they themselves are asking for fair treatment for what they believe in.
I am patriotic. I look at both sides.
It's certain people that refuse to look at the PRESENT ISSUES, not the PAST. I am all for O doing the right things, but right now, it looks like business as usual with the exception of his cabinet picks and this stimulus package.
Sticking to the issues is one thing. Calling some unpatriotic just because they don't agree with you is another.
nasty on all sides
Can't we just state our opinions without calling each other "idiots" and "children?" Does that really enhance the argument? Ever?
There is ignorance on both sides here.
As a Christian, I would appreciate it if people would leave this type of subject out of our children's education. It is not unreasonable to ask since we have given up God and prayer in the schools to accommodate those who do not believe.
There are some people who will ridicule the act as well as the person as you can clearly see when we get on the subject of homosexuality. But you cannot group all of us into this category. I do not agree with that lifestyle but having no reason to treat them poorly. That is what I want to teach my children. We may not agree but we cannot be mean to them.
However, I cannot stand by and allow the teaching that homosexuality is okay. It is too controversial of a topic for that to be taught in schools.....just like religion. I can teach my children acceptance of people without teaching acceptance of a lifestyle we don't agree with and I would appreciate it if schools wouldn't undermine my authority on that subject.
You don't see me going around forcing religion on children who I know has parents who don't believe in God and don't want their kids hearing about God.
I was merely stating there are TWO sides....
to every story. I have not taken sides, as apparently you have. That is all I am saying. The Palestinians are not without fault either, and their present governing body are on the terror watch list. That should mean something....?
Right! Definitely hate from BOTH sides. The OP
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From looking on both boards, both sides are guilty.
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exploring situation from both sides? What?
Exploring the situation from both sides? What two sides? The man stated crime would go down if we aborted black babies. What is the side you are referring to? It is a racist remark, a dumb remark and insensitive hateful remark. No two ways about it..PERIOD..
It happens on both sides of the political spectrum. It happens sm
in every day life to people who are not political at all. Why try and make it a party line thing. That's just silly and WRONG. Good grief. Do you know the political parties of everyone just this year caught embezzling? I sure don't. Nor do I care. Stop labeling people. By the way, yes, he is a crook. But he is also a Vietnam fighter pilot. He went the wrong path. But let's now throw the baby out with the bath water. Here is where the Christian part kicks in...you know..forgiveness.
Both sides on this issue are doing this for money
The 9/11 widows (money), Hillary (political hay) and Ann (money are both wanting money, power, and fame. They all need to shut up and sit down, because they all are coming out looking like idiots on this.
Failure at so many levels on both sides.
I guess I just don't see how placing blame is going to help. And I think it is sad that because Condi is a Republican (and former Democrat), her accomplishments are diminished in the African-American community.
Talking out of both sides of his mouth
No, this is the latest info he wants put out. This comes after he stood on his little podium at the debates and said point blank, he would increase taxes to help pay for more social programs. Now, I don't know how you get around that, but it came out of his own mouth and his true motives are already out there. I have watched that man sway with whatever way the political breeze is blowing, whichever he thinks sounds best for him at the time. Anyone that wishy washy cannot run a country. He is being run....that is the problem!!
It might be nice if we could hear both sides...sm
Of course there are 2 sides to every story. There is nothing new about republicans being obstructive on this issue. Pelosi's reasons for her own obstruction are also understandable. These guys are politicians being politicians. The problem I am having with this is the media blackout. It is impossible to get "both sides of the story" if the story is not out there. This is only the latest example of why many democrats perceive Fox and CNN as being conservative, right of center, etc… Fox, because of the way they report and CNN for what they do not report.
Impeachment is not exactly a fringe issue. A 2007 poll cited in Wikipedia showed 46% in favor and 55% opposed (figures for 2008 not given). Since this adds up to 101%, one might wonder which figure is inaccurate. With the margin of error inherent in polls, at the very least, it would be accurate to say that support for impeachment is "near" 50%. So why, pray tell, is this story missing in action?
For those "near" 50%, whether or not it is called an impeachment hearing is not nearly as relevant as the issues being raised during the process and the fact that there is a media blackout. Were that not the case, how likely do you think it is that those percentages would stay the same? Censorship, whether by the government or in the media, undermines the foundation of democratic process. Protecting that process is in the best interest of both political parties, no matter how divided we may be on the issues at hand.
Interesting summation of both sides....
...I saw on another website:
Best comment of the morning: “Which would you rather have:
A Lawyer with zip experience and his wife who never heard anything negative in Rev. Wrong’s church for 20 years and another Lawyer who likes to hear himself talk and both rich and both campaigning on undefined promises of change plus higher taxes (remember Obama’s bill for $800 billion for the UN)
VERSUS
A war hero with plenty of experience who married the American male dream (good looking, smart, rich, owns her own beer company and actually works to help the helpless) and an experienced tough State Governor who is a conservative Christian, cleans up corruption, husband card carrying union man, hocky mom, hunts, wins politically as an outsider, real middle class background who did not get rich in office and is about to live another American female dream: first to become Vice President of the USA and both campaigning on issues?
A NO BRAINER FOR ALL AMERICANS!
Explains what? That there are 2 sides to a story?
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I worry about the children on both sides sm
Obama's and Palin's. They are young and this is a different world now than it was when JFK was in and Carter too.
Though, I would think being a mother to very young children and being a VP is going to be a whole different situation than being the Governor. I would think there is going to be a lot more travel involved with a VP than Gov., but I might be wrong. Never having done either job, I can't really say. 
I'm not saying that Obama's kids are going to be better off if he is elected either. I just don't know how used to their mom being away that Palin's kids are as opposed to Obama's kids. They've had a little more time to adjust. And, as sexist as it is, most people still believe that the primary parenting duty is on the mother. I am not saying that is what I think (it's 50/50 IMO), but I do believe the majority feel that way.
You are right, both sides have beautiful families sm
Obamas/Biden's and McCain/Palin.
Though, I don't know how real Cindy McCain is.
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