I saw that mentioned last night
Posted By: Chele on 2008-10-02
In Reply to: Obama song - way too creepy - me
on TV. I didn't see the whole video clip of them singing but the little bit I did see was enough to show me how eerie and just messed up that is. This whole thing is just creepy.
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I thougth you signed off for the night with a good night to all
Welcome back. Yeah, I saw the same flip off he gave Hillary - nice gesture and respect to a woman who fought hard to get where she is at. Such disrespect.
BTW - I don't know anyone who uses their middle finger to scratch their face.
Yes, last night was party night.
I was actually very disappointed in the Obama party. I thought we were going to discuss issues and where Obama stood on the issues, but the lady from the Democratic Headquarters that came to give that information only passed out papers that were printed directly off of his website - already read that. The other thing I was disappointed in was that it seemed everyone there was a Hillary supporter and talked endlessly about her rather than Obama (no, I didn't get snarky and remind them that she was not running=). Unfortunately, I don't really feel like I learned more than what I did off of his website. It was nice to chat with my friends and meet some new people, but other political-wise, it was a waste of time. That's not to say that all Obama parties would be that way and I do encourage anyone who gets invited to one, whether you're Republican or Democrat, to attend - the person in charge of that one might be more knowledgable than the one from the party I was at. Thanks again to all who sent me websites to check out beforehand!!!
i mentioned it before
and there was an outcry that I made it up. I have no investment in it at all -- true or untrue. I do enjoy novelty information, though, and thought others might enjoy it also.
Consider them mentioned
They're as blad as the Black Power people. Not all blacks or all whites are lumped into the same mold donchaknow so don't be so defensive.
I have never mentioned anyone's looks!!! RU serious? never nm
some people are confused here
If you do all that you mentioned...........sm
such as paying your bills and providing for your family, then you wouldn't have to worry about the government telling you what you can or can't buy, etc. Only those who refuse to work and draw government assistance in the form of commodities would be told, in a sense, what they could eat. I look at it as an incentive to get folks to get jobs and provide for their families. In my opinion, if the government provides one's housing, medical care, food and other essentials of life, then the government has every right to dictate where one lives, etc.
CNN mentioned what?
?
Your name wasn't mentioned
I never saw the name gt mentioned in the post referred to.
Obama DID say what Sam mentioned!
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Thanks for sharing. All of this has been mentioned
before. When one actually looks at the facts, it is hard to believe that there are still people who believe in Barry's false hope and empty promises. So much for that change he keeps preaching about when him and his advisors are a big part of the current problems we have now.
well you mentioned those countries
in reference to our new socialist societies and you brought up the revolution, so ...
They mentioned this story
on The O'Reilly Factor last night. I saw the picture of her. She says that she was at an ATM and was attacked by someone when they saw a McCain sticker on her car. Bill O'Reilly mentioned that ATMs have cameras and they said the camera didn't pick up anything. The B on her cheek was supposedly done by a knife. Bill O'Reilly said that it didn't look like a knife wound to him and I must agree. I'm a republican and I know that there are some wacko Obama supporters out there, but I just don't think this story is true. We will see though.
I mentioned nothing of Obama--I said that anyone
who thinks that socialized medicine is a good idea...
You mentioned Wal-Mart....
Unionize Wal-Mart and there goes your low prices. You can't have it both ways. Why do you think cars cost so much? You really think it costs that much to build them? The costs for those contracts is passed right on down to us, the consumers.
As to the teamsters union...can you say organized crime? Jimmy Hoffa sound familiar? The only rich people in unions are the people in the hierarchy of the union, and how many times have we heard about them stealing pension money?
And Barack Obama wants to do away with secret ballot voting in unions. You know why there is a secret ballot? So the union organizers won't be able to intimidate people. I worked at a hospital that a union was trying to organize. I have experienced first-hand how union organizers work, and it ain't pretty.
That being said, labor unions in their beginnings were needed and were a wonderful thing. But like many other good things, they have become about money and power and the rank and file are WAY down on the totem pole.
Problem is, all those good programs, pensions and health care are paid for by we the people. That is why plants close. That is why businesses go overseas, because there is only so much we the people are willing to pay. Wal-Mart knows that, that is why they don't want to unionize.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
Yes, why hasn't anything been mentioned about that?
She had the meeting yesterday with them. I didn't hear a thing about it.
Okay, some of things mentioned is, nm
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Yeah. Once he mentioned it.
But read the rest and tell me how many times he mentions Islam, Muslins, and the rest:
"As the Holy Quran tells us: "Be conscious of God and speak always the truth." That is what I will try to do, to speak the truth as best I can, humbled by the task before us, and firm in my belief that the interests we share as human beings are far more powerful than the forces that drive us apart.
Part of this conviction is rooted in my own experience. I am a Christian, but my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and the fall of dusk. As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith.
As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam at places like Al-Azhar University that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed.
Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.
I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's story. The first nation to recognise my country was Morocco. In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President John Adams wrote: "The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims."
And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States. They have fought in our wars, served in government, stood for civil rights, started businesses, taught at our universities, excelled in our sports arenas, won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building, and lit the Olympic Torch. And when the first Muslim-American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same Holy Quran that one of our Founding Fathers Thomas Jefferson kept in his personal library.
So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn't. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.
But that same principle must apply to Muslim perceptions of America. Just as Muslims do not fit a crude stereotype, America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire. The United States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has ever known. We were born out of revolution against an empire. We were founded upon the ideal that all are created equal, and we have shed blood and struggled for centuries to give meaning to those words within our borders, and around the world. We are shaped by every culture, drawn from every end of the Earth, and dedicated to a simple concept: Epluribus unum: "Out of many, one."
Much has been made of the fact that an African-American with the name Barack Hussein Obama could be elected president. But my personal story is not so unique. The dream of opportunity for all people has not come true for everyone in America, but its promise exists for all who come to our shores - that includes nearly seven million American Muslims in our country today who enjoy incomes and education that are higher than average.
Moreover, freedom in America is indivisible from the freedom to practice one's religion. That is why there is a mosque in every state of our union, and over 1,200 mosques within our borders. That is why the US government has gone to court to protect the right of women and girls to wear the hijab, and to punish those who would deny it.
So let there be no doubt: Islam is a part of America. And I believe that America holds within her the truth that regardless of race, religion, or station in life, all of us share common aspirations to live in peace and security; to get an education and to work with dignity; to love our families, our communities, and our God. These things we share. This is the hope of all humanity.
Same here, but the poster mentioned Republicans so that's why I
I just don't get what the big deal is. I'm not shoving my views down Democrats throats, I'm just commenting and for that matter, the Democrats could always participate in posts on the Conservatives board.
I mentioned something about an athiest board and
she emailed me back and gave me websites of other places to go to for that. IMO you should not have one w/o ther other..After all there are conservative/liberal boards. I will stay here too and not be a part of her new website.
McCain mentioned the 800 thousand, but O
nm
It also mentioned a birth announcement
"Further, a birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Honolulu Advertiser listed Obama's birth there on Aug. 4."
Now, while that may not be a legal document, I highly doubt that way back on August 4, 1961, Obama's mother decided to state that he was born in Hawaii because some day he might grow up to be president.
There was no legal reason why she would have done that. He would have been considered a citizen, even if he had been born in Kenya. Maybe not natural born, but legal, and she would have had no reason to lie ... way, way, way back then.
Either way, what you're stating is that several INDEPENDENT organizations, including a legal court of America, are lying or covering up the truth FOR Obama.
It's a paranoid accusation to a very high degree, and I think, if nothing else, the campaigns this year have done nothing but heighten these delusions.
On both sides, even.
The Obama birth question may forever live in the annals of conspiracy theory - along with the U.S. moon landing "hoax" and the presence of reptilians who can shapeshift at will - but it would behoove our country to recognize it as an unproductive, divisive conspiracy theory that deserves much less attention than, say, a strong, compassionate, united nation.
how many times was tea party mentioned? once?
much ado about nothing..............
Glenn Beck mentioned this
last week on his show. He is having a special show in New York this Friday. He is wanting all the people who care for their country to come together. We are to look at his website and join in on "We Surround Them".
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/21018/?ck=1
It was the other way around: It is mentioned right here, in this article, that you quote
who were the aggressors and who the victims, in both wars, 1948 and 1967:
'Palestine became "the occupied territory" from which Palestinians were ejected and Israeli settlements built for "settlers." Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are full of refugee camps in which Palestinians driven off their lands by Israeli force have been living for decades.'
Everybody, by now, knows this or should know this!
It was mentioned that he was separated at the time
so I don't really know if I count that as an affair...
The woman he had the affair with was married...but wouldn't that be her bad?
You ascribe me feelings about people whose name I have never mentioned here.
His book is a bestseller. Evidently, many many people think he is credible. The world of credibility does not revolve around you, gt.
I should have mentioned I was a loyal Ron Paul supporter.
If that makes any difference.
Yep, the above-mentioned was just put on MSNBC. Hardly digging deep for
exist, as you said, and I was hoping to alert someone to that with my post. Thanks for the support.
I repeat...she mentioned upholding the Alaskan...
constitution twice. If she was one of "them" that is NOT what she would have said. Dailykos is a swamp with no bottom. They broke the nastiness about Palin's youngest child actually being the daughter's and ran with it, and the stuff there was vile. If that is "liberal opinion," and that is what you want to identify with, fine by me. Obama repudiated it...but he took their money.
Oh my, their leader was MURDERED. How many unexplained deaths surround the Clintons? Do we really want to go there?
Obama consorted with a known unapologetic anarchist/terrorist, William Ayers. And took money from him at a fundraiser at Ayer's house. So if you are going to blame Palin for making a video speech to this group, and not blame Obama for going to the house and taking the money of a man who bombed the Pentagon and police stations and caused deaths...does the term double standard ring any bells here?
Well, then aren't you sick and tired of the above-mentioned
Even those that in essence respresent ALL Americans, and not a particular party?
I know I sure am. I think it would be nice if we could all speak our minds on this board, without worrying about what little sammie is going to say about it.
The talking points must have mentioned using the word *impeach* as often as possible, too. NM
Another post below mentioned Hardball. This is an interview with parents
of a Marine who was killed this week in Iraq. Here is the transcript of the show. I think it's very compelling. These people certainly gave the ultimate sacrifice, and to me, their views are very important.
The interview with Ken Allard is also very interesting. This can all be found at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8838904/
MATTHEWS: Tonight, we begin with the parents of Lance Corporal Edward Schroeder, who was among the 14 Marines who lost their lives in yesterday's attack in Iraq. His parents, Rosemary Palmer and Paul Schroeder, join me now from their home outside Cleveland.
Well, it's a terrible thing to do, but I want to talk to you both about the war in Iraq and the loss of your son.
Ms. Palmer, did you sense that this war was very dangerous for your son, even before yesterday?
ROSEMARY PALMER, MOTHER OF KILLED U.S. MARINE: Well, war is always dangerous. And there were so many deaths that it was starting to mount to the point where I was actually thinking yesterday that if Auggie (ph) were not among the 14 killed, I was almost to the point of calling the Department of Defense and just saying, for mental health reasons, he had to come home, that I couldn't handle it anymore. It was just too much.
MATTHEWS: What made you feel that the danger was growing?
PALMER: Well, it's the old game of the fewer. And the 325 unit that he's in has been having more and more casualties. And if you have fewer guys and the same number of people, well, then, the other—the chances are growing that your person is going to be the one that's hit.
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you, Mr. Schroeder, why do you think we're in this war? What do you think is the real reason for this war in Iraq?
PAUL SCHROEDER, FATHER OF KILLED U.S. MARINE: Well, I really don't know why. I could guess, which might be unfair. But I would guess it has to do with oil. It has to do with deposing a dictator that we used to love and came to hate.
MATTHEWS: Yes.
SCHROEDER: That goes on repeatedly.
MATTHEWS: What did your son say was his motivation for fighting? Was it just patriotism to our country or a belief in the mission?
SCHROEDER: He did not have a motivation to fight. He had a motivation to do his duty to the Marine Corps and to be part of the Marines. His entire life was devoted to doing what he promised he would do.
MATTHEWS: What did he tell you...
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: What did he say about how the war was going?
SCHROEDER: Well, early on, when his unit arrived there in March, he was talking about the friendly Iraqi people. After May and June, he stopped talking about the friendly people, not that they weren't friendly. But he stopped talking about it.
Two weeks ago, in the last conversation I had with him, he simply said, the closer we get to coming home, the less worth it this is.
MATTHEWS: How did you interpret that?
SCHROEDER: I took that to mean that his participation in Operation Matador, Operation New Market, Operation Sword, Operation Spear, and a couple others that I don't know the names of were failing. And that's, basically, the operations were intended to go into these towns, kick out the insurgents, take their weapons, arrest whoever they could, and then they would withdraw.
They only had to go back and find more insurgents in the same places. The fact that these 14 fellows were blown up indicates to me, logic would say, that this policy, this strategy, this tactic has failed.
MATTHEWS: Let me go to Rosemary...
SCHROEDER: If it was successful, if it was successful, then he would still be alive, as would all those other kids.
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: Rosemary, let me ask you about the—what is your feeling about this war and the goal of trying to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people? And do you think that was a smart thing for us to try to do?
PALMER: It was a very naive thing for us to do.
You don't go to another culture and try to impose yours and expect it to work. We're not Iraqis. We don't have the same culture. And while I understand that we're a multicultural nation, we don't act like it sometimes. We act like the whole world thinks exactly the way we do.
MATTHEWS: Do you think that the war is going to get any better now that your son—I mean, you have paid the ultimate price? And, by the way, thank you. I don't know what it means to say thank you for your service, except I mean it. The courage of these young guys and some women over there is unbelievable. And I guess everybody wonders about the conduct of the war, whether they're being—these lives are being wasted or these lives are being put to good purpose.
What is your feeling about that now?
PALMER: Well, I personally believe that, since it is not working, then we have to make a change, that it is not worth the sacrifice if it is just more bodies on to the heap.
Like President Bush said, he wanted to stay the course and honor the memory of the ones who died by continuing to fight. If it didn't work before, why does fighting more—you know, you do the same thing over and over, that's—expecting a different result is, I think, the explanation of insanity.
MATTHEWS: Yes.
Well, the way you describe it, it is like pouring water into a sand hole on the beach and having it drain right through and start over again. It seems like a repetitive process that doesn't seem to be getting anywhere.
PALMER: Exactly.
SCHROEDER: Well, the repetitive process has been going on for 27 months, since the active invasion phase ended, 27 months of doing the same thing over and over and over again, with no evidence that it is getting better.
If there were evidence it was getting better—and I have yet to see it—and I—frankly, if it was getting better, these fellows would still be alive after all of this strenuous effort. Then it is time to make a change. Either put the number of troops on the ground that you need to really do the job or get the heck out.
MATTHEWS: Do you have a sense...
SCHROEDER: We have a saying—we have a saying in the Midwest, piss or get off the pot.
MATTHEWS: Do you have a sense, because of your son's tremendous, permanent, total sacrifice of his life and his experience in these months fighting this war, that the middle-level officers, the majors, the captains, do they have a sense of a clear vision of what they're getting done over there?
SCHROEDER: I can't speak to those fellows. I have great respect for the Marine officers at that level and the sergeants who made these troops, great respect.
I would tell you that they probably are frustrated, just like a lot of the ground troops, the lance corporals and the privates are. I would say that one thing that we have to make crystal clear, which is why we agreed to talk today, is that there is a—you cannot equate. There is a clear difference between supporting the troops on the ground and supporting the policies that put them there.
The president likes to make those—to equate those two things. If you don't support the war, you don't support the troops. And too many American people are buying into that. I don't buy into that. Rosemary doesn't buy into that. It is time that we say, look, we can support the troops all until the cows come home.
(CROSSTALK)
SCHROEDER: We don't support the policies that put them there.
MATTHEWS: You two have more right to answer this question than anybody else in the country today. After reading those headline—and to most of us, they're just headlines. They're American G.I.s, Marines in this case, giving their lives for their country, 20-some this week, in that one part of the country in Iraq.
What should be the reaction of the American people who pick up their newspapers, watch television, and learn of these horrors? What should they do as a result of seeing that news, Mr. Schroeder?
SCHROEDER: They should stand up and tell President Bush, enough is enough. You've had your chance. Now let somebody else come up with a different plan. If you can't come up with a different plan that is going to work, in my view, that is more troops, then get out.
MATTHEWS: Rosemary, is that your view? Is that how we, all of us, not in the news business, regular Americans from your part of the country, across the country, getting this horrible news, how should they react to it?
PALMER: Well, I think most people are just saying, you know, the latter, just get out, because it is clearly—well, it is obvious that the politicians are not going to institute a draft. And with the number of deaths and the dangers being what they are, they are not going to get the recruits.
So, therefore, if you can't—you can't get enough guys to do the fighting, well, then you have to get out. Do it or get out of the game.
MATTHEWS: I got you. I heard your views and they sound similar.
Thank you very much for this hour of—this time of anguish, to be giving this information. I think the public needs to hear from folks like you.
Thank you very much, Rosemary Palmer and Paul Schroeder, who lost their son, Lance Corporal Edward Schroeder, just today, last 24 hours.
We'll be right back with HARDBALL.
You guys say mentioned this oil domination thing constantly, but
nobody explains exactly what the details of this oil domination are? Please, do explain. I'd love to know the details, not just the sound bite.
And yet when Christianity is mentioned, many on the left promptly point to the right.
Why is that?
Just as the other NEVER mentioned conservatives, this one doesn't mention liberals... at all. nm
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Do you automatically think all white Christians follow these evangelists you mentioned? nm
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I heard work requirement mentioned a long time ago - nm
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Night
I dont have to defend my education or knowledge of history. I know what I have been taught. This endless attack gets tiring. Time to go do something more constructive than read your attacks to me. Later Gator
I saw the ad too last night.
She definitely told us to vote for Obama. So much for their claims of being a bipartisan group.....sheesh.
They only had from 11 p.m. last night
to 9 a.m. this morning to read it, not 2 weeks. The one that passed the house happened last night, not 2 weeks ago. There are changes in it since yesterday.
I saw this on TV last night as well.
This is definitely scary. When we lose control to raise or own children......what else do they want to take away from us. This is beyond ridiculous.
You people who cry and whine about government staying out of your uterus....well how about stay out of my home and let me raise my kids I decided to have instead of aborting. What about those rights?
And they wonder why people are upset and worried?
I saw this last night.
She was an excellent guest.
Exactly what DH said last night.
He said the country is down the toilet and he doesn't care what they do anymore because none of it helps the working man, just the corrupt government and the millionaires. There will be no middle class, only the poor and the rich, like it was in the 'dark ages.'
I saw last night where they said that
WE (taxpayers) footed the bill for the helicopter ride, secret service motorcade, closing of the streets (yep this costs money), extra police needed in NYC and on top of all of this they believe that we also paid for the dinner and the show. Over 20,000 people with GM losing jobs and our President is going on a date at the taxpayer's expense. I don't care if he is Republican, Democrat, this is just wrong for any politician to pull this kind of crap especially with the things the way that they are.
Just saw a documentary the other night..
about Uday and Qusay, Saddam's sons. It was SICKENING. Iraq was hardly stable unless you call people having their ankles held in stock-like contraptions while sombody beats them for 30 minutes on the bottoms of their feet with a baseball bat, prior to hanging them upside down from a cable from the ceiling and beating them all over with the same bat. If you compare the number of deaths in Iraq to the number of murders and useless violence in America you could say that WE are living in a far worse war zone. I say it was worth a try, and we have to be patient, something Americans are increasingly lost the ability to do in this add water and mix world that we live in.
Every night! You're right.
It's going to be hilarious!
For those of you who miss it, you can see clips at their website.
Thanks. Watched it last night, and
 they have the entire program on there too. Didn't have time to see it all but intend to watch it when I get the time. Thanks again, very kind of you to direct me there.
Good night to you! (sm)
I don't post under a name, because when you do you are crucified by the drive-by bombers. It's best to keep the them confused.
From *The Situation* last night.
And Tucker Carlson is hardly a liberal.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13459509/
But first to a story horrifying even by the coarsening standards of Iraq, the brutal murder and torture of two U.S. soldiers.
Privates first class Kristian Menchaca and Thomas L. Tucker went missing Friday after an attack on a checkpoint they were manning south of Baghdad. Their bodies were found on Monday night. They were reportedly so badly mutilated they were tentatively identified by tattoos and scars. The corpses were also booby-trapped, an apparent effort to kill recovery teams.
Al Qaeda‘s new leader in Iraq has claimed responsibility for the soldier‘s slaughter.
In the face of brutality like this, is Iraq worth the cost in American lives? Here to answer that question, Brad Blakeman. He‘s the former deputy assistant to the president. He joins us tonight from Washington.
Brad, thanks for coming on.
BRAD BLAKEMAN, FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Tucker.
CARLSON: So we have spent untold billions of dollars, 2,500 American soldiers killed, all in an effort to bring democracy and prosperity to Iraq. In return, they torture and murder and mutilate our soldiers. Remind me why this is a good bargain?
BLAKEMAN: Well, Tucker, look, this is a tough thing, and our hearts go out to every soldier who has made the ultimate sacrifice so that we can live in freedom.
But Iraq is worth fighting for. The region is worth fighting for. It‘s in our interest. These terrible, brutal dictatorships must be brought down when they become a threat to our national security. You know...
CARLSON: OK. But that‘s not the rationale the president has offered. He has said now, because as you know, and not to rehash the whole war, but no weapons of mass destruction were found. And he‘s said now this is worth doing because it‘s worth bringing freedom to the Iraqi people. They yearn for freedom, and it‘s our duty to give them the freedom they yearn for.
My question is how have they earned our sacrifice to bring them that freedom? What about Iraq justifies the death—brutal deaths of American soldiers? Why should we feel like it‘s worth it to bring these people democracy when they behave like animals like this?
BLAKEMAN: We‘re focusing on the animals and not the good and decent people of Iraq. The vast majority of Iraq is peaceful.
CARLSON: Is that right? I don‘t think—I don‘t think there‘s any evidence of that.
BLAKEMAN: There are 12 million people who went to—who went to the polls. They have four successful elections. They have a new government. We tend only to focus on the very bad, on the insurgencies, and the evil people. But the vast majority of Iraqis want to be free.
You know, if we took your attitude...
CARLSON: Is that true? Is that true?
BLAKEMAN: Hold on, Tucker. If we took your attitude, we would have turned back at the beaches of Normandy when all those people...
CARLSON: Spare me the tired, hackney, cliched World War II analogies. Let‘s get to the war in progress, and that‘s Iraq. There are decent people there. I have been there. I‘ve met decent people there. I know firsthand.
However, your claim that most people want peace is bosh as they say.
Let me show you...
BLAKEMAN: It is not.
CARLSON: It certainly is. A poll undertaken by the ministry of defense from Great Britain, part of the coalition, said 65 percent of Iraqi citizens support attacks on U.S. citizens.
Our own polling, done by World Opinion, public opinion, 47 percent approve attacks on U.S. forces, 88 percent of Sunnis, 88 percent approve of attacks on U.S. forces.
These are—are these—these are the people our sons and daughters are dying to make rich and free? How does that work?
BLAKEMAN: It is our responsibility. We brought down this dictator, this evil dictator...
CARLSON: How are we responsible?
BLAKEMAN: ... who used weapons of mass destruction against his own people. Now, it‘s our responsibility to bring democracy to these people. We can‘t cut and run and defeat the dictator and then leave...
CARLSON: Why is it our responsibility? There are countries across the world who live in shackles.
BLAKEMAN: We are the freest nation on earth. That‘s why it‘s our responsibility. We‘re the freest nation on earth. We brought down the dictator, and now it‘s our responsibility...
CARLSON: How does that work? They have not done one thing for us. Look—look, think of the implications of what you are saying. I don‘t know if you have thought this through.
BLAKEMAN: I‘ve thought it through very well.
CARLSON: Nation after nation after nation, starting with Mugabe in Zimbabwe, moving all the way to communist—still communist, still unfree China, people who are living in fetters who are unfree, who are oppressed, is it our, as you put it, obligation as a free a nation to free those nations? Do you really want to play this?
BLAKEMAN: Is it—do you know what our obligation is? It‘s to bring freedom to those people who yearn to be free. And China has come a long way.
CARLSON: So it‘s your obligation to sent your son, my obligation...
(CROSSTALK)
CARLSON: ... people I‘ve never met in countries that hate us? You‘ve got to be kidding. It‘s my obligation to do that?
BLAKEMAN: Yes, it is our obligation. Was it our obligation to go—was it our obligation.
CARLSON: Where does the obligation come from? I didn‘t sign up for that obligation.
BLAKEMAN: It‘s our obligation. Was it our obligation to go—was it our obligation to go into Europe where we weren‘t attacked? No, Europe let a dictator get so strong that collectively they couldn‘t take him down, and we had to come down.
CARLSON: We got in war when we were attacked.
BLAKEMAN: We lost 400,000 Americans in that war. We lost—a million people were wounded in that war.
CARLSON: Right. And there were...
BLAKEMAN: But was it worth it?
CARLSON: Let me just remind you, we entered that war on December 7, 1941, when our soil, the protectorate of Hawaii, was attacked by a foreign nation and thousands of Americans died. We went to war on that day, and not before. OK? So the overall principle you are stating here, that we have a moral obligation to free the unfree, think it through, man. It‘s...
BLAKEMAN: I didn‘t say that, Tucker. I said when we took down the dictator, when we made an obligation to risk our soldiers to free a country, we just can‘t cut and run. We have to establish a government for them. We‘ve got to give them the opportunity to succeed. That‘s our obligation.
CARLSON: And you may be right as far as that goes. But the blanket obligation that Bush implies, and you just stated, that we have to go free the world, to send our sons and daughters to go...
BLAKEMAN: No, we don‘t have to free the world
CARLSON: ... die for other people‘s freedom, people who hate us, it‘s a scary thing.
BLAKEMAN: Well, then you know what? Didn‘t the Japanese hate us?
Didn‘t the Germans hate us? Do they hate us today?
CARLSON: They attacked us first. We had no choice.
BLAKEMAN: They‘re our allies. They our allies, and they stand shoulder to shoulder with us. Should we have waited to get attacked by the Iraqis? No.
CARLSON: You know, I thought—when I supported the war initially, I thought that they were capable of attacking us, and it turns out, as you know, and I‘m sad to report, that we weren‘t.
BLAKEMAN: They were pretty capable of attacking us if they wanted to.
CARLSON: Brad Blakeman, thanks a lot.
BLAKEMAN: You are welcome.
Last night was very encouraging!! sm
I was surprised that the turnout in Iowa was almost double on the Democrat side than the Republican side. Was also excited that Obama won, because I don't like the "given" that Clinton is going to be the nominee "no matter what." Hope the Democrat turnout is that high in New Hampshire!!
I caucused last night
I'm a registered Republican (but I don't consider myself Republican per se) who was the only voter in my precinct who voted Giuliani. There were 79 registered voters there, 43 of whom voted for Huckabee and only 3 for Romney. Then they started talking about the Republican Party planks, and I wound up leaving early. They were starting to get really, erm, snotty.
Anyway, if Huckabilly (as one of the Iowa reporters acidentally called him last night on the news) is the Republican candidate, I will not vote for him. We have a very large homeschooling population in our precinct, and I think that is why so many here are in love with Huckabilly. I will look very hard to your Mr. Obama if he is indeed the Democrat nominee for president.
I don't know if I added anything to your post, but I was happy to see someone actually get so many young people energized about this process.
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