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I said that was one reason. Don't twist my words. sm

Posted By: MT on 2005-07-20
In Reply to: You are..bingo..wrong - gt

Typical liberal ploy.  I can't believe how ignorant of history you are! 


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    Twist words much
    The school closing was because of the ice on the roads (a wise safety precaution) not because of he cold temperatures. No one was complaining. Rather, he was having a casual conversation about how his daughters were adjusting to their move (they are allowed to have their own perceptions, aren't they?). No scandal there so I guess you felt compelled to introduce tardy to his list of mortal sins. Contradictory? Hardly. He's been right on his same message ever since the first hour of the primaries. No surprises to those who have been paying attention.


    No, and please don't twist my words. The conversation is sm
    that Hitler founded his total belief system on the three pillars I posted here, the first being Jews and Communism.  I don't know how much more clear I can be frankly!   Where in the world did I EVER say he was sane.   I am talking about HISTORY.  I am not quite sure what you are talking about!
    You shouldn't twist people's words.

    Dear Miss Thang. If you dont like it, dont watch.
    nm
    rational to one is irrational to another..dont like it, dont read it
    Rational posts?  Well, maybe you would think that, however, I disagree..but, what the heck, from your continual posts attacking me over the past few months, it is obvious that we dont agree on anything.  Gotta tell ya, no one chases a person from a chat board..that is a lame excuse for someone who obviously was not able to hold his/her own with the smart liberals who post on this  liberal board.  So gt chased her/him away.  On please!  If a poster is getting to you, you just ignore their posts..dont click on them..Viola!  It is that easy!  Or dont come on the liberal board if you do not like liberal ideology!  Viola!  It is that easy!  So, Im here all the time am I?  Well, punkin, I see your handle always on both this board and the dinosaur board..er..I mean conservative board.  Is this what your debating has gotten down to?  Lets count and see who is here more often?  How ridiculous, how childish, how so....republican.  **BIG HUG**
    I dont hate Obama. I just dont see him as qualified
    nm
    You dont get it. Most dont want O to fail, they feel
    nm
    Those types of words are unnecessary and actually ARE racist words. sm
    Those types of phrases are offensive and are intended to be offensive. This election should not be about race. If it is about race for you, then you are probably one of the ignorant people using those words. Very rude!!
    You lie and twist the truth.

    If you check the archives you will see multiple requests to folks to stick to their own boards.  I have no reason to lie about this but apparently you do.  And it is so very easily verified.  My advice to you is that if you continue to lie to not pick such obvious lies to tell.


    As far as the other board, it seemed the liberals stayed off it for a while and there is still very little liberal activity on it.  Check it out.


    You sure know how to twist things up...sm
    I know you are confused on the definition of patriot and freedom. An antisemite is someone who hates jews. This would not be me. What was antisemitic about any comment I made? Israel should not have a blank check to do whatever it pleases and be free of criticism.
    Interesting twist
    I heard on Face the Nation today that Chuck Hagel and Mayor Bloomberg were considering running together, perhaps on an independent ticket; did not indicate who would fill the top spot. Nebraska and New York, velly velly interesting. I personally would LOVE to see a viable third party. The same old same old has not been working well for quite some time; ergo, Obama's popularity. Even tho Bloomberg and Hagel are not new commodities, running as a third party ticket would certainly be different (one can only hope).
    Like I said, no matter how you try to twist it,
    xx
    People twist
    x
    My twist on your situation
    I was a democrat who became a republican and will probably reaffiliate as an independent in the not-too-distant future. I find the assumptions made on this board amusing and likely as not completely off base.

    I think Obama is a likeable guy, but his starry-eyed supporters drive me up a wall. If not for the lunacy surrounding him and his office I probably wouldn't feel as apprehensive and insecure about his presidency as I do. Okay, I don't agree with him on much so far, but I so believe he's intelligent and sincere.

    Try not to take the categorizing too seriously; it's just more silliness.
    LOL...I didn't twist anything...(sm)
    That's Fox's shining star with the gas can.  He did that with no help whatsoever from me.  That's your hero...not mine. 
    Another twist/question...(sm)
    Since Israel was poised before the election to sling some rockets towards Iran, do you think they'll be butting in, and do you think Obama can hold them back?
    You're right....words are just words...so are Obama's...
    ...and don't/won't mean anything to many people, myself included.

    He is no MLK.

    It is a historic moment, of that I have no doubt. And yes, he has come far.

    However, one still needs to have strength of character to back the words up for true meaning, and he is sadly lacking in that area.


    Why is it that you always find a way to twist things...sm
    to your advantage? We went from Michelle Obama's thesis to Rev. Wright. Of course he is a racist. Has anyone here said he isn't?
    No they were not....don't twist what little facts that were in those links..nm

    Twist away, the truth is out there. Sam's right. You're wrong. nm

    Don't you just hate the way they twist facts - see message
    To hear them talk they act as thought every single soul in America voted for Obama. They did not. More people didn't vote than those who did. The ones who are so adamanet and hostile are the ones who drink the kool-aid.

    I do feel better about the whole thing as time goes on because I'm hearing Rap singers and other people of color, and even a lot of democrats standing up saying what in the world??? Many are questioning the decisions and what is going on. But all I say is if it keeps going the way it is 2012 is going to be a very good year for republicans. Probably even 2010 when the next election of senators and congress people are voted in/out.

    There are a few people I am hopeful for to run. I think American will also wake up and say, this is why you don't vote someone in with no experience.
    Really? Yeah, try to twist common sense into
    nm
    You related to Michael Moore? You twist
    nm
    I dont WANT war. Dont judge me!
    nm
    McCain's theme song - Twist and Shout.
    Biden's point was that whomever is elected President will be tested, and he feels that Obama is more qualified to deal with it than McCain. Once again, the McCain camp has twisted Biden's words to suit their own agenda.
    For those who haven't read FOCA w/o a republican twist...

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.2020:


    below is an exert.  The link above is the bill.


    SEC. 4. INTERFERENCE WITH REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH PROHIBITED.



      (a) STATEMENT OF POLICY- It is the policy of the United States that every woman has the fundamental right to choose to bear a child, to terminate a pregnancy prior to fetal viability, or to terminate a pregnancy after fetal viability when necessary to protect the life or health of the woman.


      (b) PROHIBITION OF INTERFERENCE- A government may not--



        (1) deny or interfere with a woman's right to choose--




          (A) to bear a child;




          (B) to terminate a pregnancy prior to viability; or




          (C) to terminate a pregnancy after viability where termination is necessary to protect the life or health of the woman; or



        (2) discriminate against the exercise of the rights set forth in paragraph (1) in the regulation or provision of benefits, facilities, services, or information.


      (c) CIVIL ACTION- An individual aggrieved by a violation of this section may obtain appropriate relief (including relief against a government) in a civil action.

    This is the reason we are in Iraq and it's the same reason I didn't vote for him in 2000: Didn't

    his own personal reasons.


    http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050620/why_george_went_to_war.php


    The Downing Street memos have brought into focus an essential question: on what basis did President George W. Bush decide to invade Iraq? The memos are a government-level confirmation of what has been long believed by so many: that the administration was hell-bent on invading Iraq and was simply looking for justification, valid or not.


    Despite such mounting evidence, Bush resolutely maintains total denial. In fact, when a British reporter asked the president recently about the Downing Street documents, Bush painted himself as a reluctant warrior. "Both of us didn't want to use our military," he said, answering for himself and British Prime Minister Blair. "Nobody wants to commit military into combat. It's the last option."


    Yet there's evidence that Bush not only deliberately relied on false intelligence to justify an attack, but that he would have willingly used any excuse at all to invade Iraq. And that he was obsessed with the notion well before 9/11—indeed, even before he became president in early 2001.


    In interviews I conducted last fall, a well-known journalist, biographer and Bush family friend who worked for a time with Bush on a ghostwritten memoir said that an Iraq war was always on Bush's brain.


    "He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said author and Houston Chronicle journalist Mickey Herskowitz. "It was on his mind. He said, 'One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, 'My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He went on, 'If I have a chance to invade…, if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency.'"


    Bush apparently accepted a view that Herskowitz, with his long experience of writing books with top Republicans, says was a common sentiment: that no president could be considered truly successful without one military "win" under his belt. Leading Republicans had long been enthralled by the effect of the minuscule Falklands War on British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's popularity, and ridiculed Democrats such as Jimmy Carter who were reluctant to use American force. Indeed, both Reagan and Bush's father successfully prosecuted limited invasions (Grenada, Panama and the Gulf War) without miring the United States in endless conflicts.


    Herskowitz's revelations illuminate Bush's personal motivation for invading Iraq and, more importantly, his general inclination to use war to advance his domestic political ends. Furthermore, they establish that this thinking predated 9/11, predated his election to the presidency and predated his appointment of leading neoconservatives who had their own, separate, more complex geopolitical rationale for supporting an invasion.


    Conversations With Bush The Candidate


    Herskowitz—a longtime Houston newspaper columnist—has ghostwritten or co-authored autobiographies of a broad spectrum of famous people, including Reagan adviser Michael Deaver, Mickey Mantle, Dan Rather and Nixon cabinet secretary John B. Connally. Bush's 1999 comments to Herskowitz were made over the course of as many as 20 sessions together. Eventually, campaign staffers—expressing concern about things Bush had told the author that were included in the manuscript—pulled the project, and Bush campaign officials came to Herskowitz's house and took his original tapes and notes. Bush communications director Karen Hughes then assumed responsibility for the project, which was published in highly sanitized form as A Charge to Keep.


    The revelations about Bush's attitude toward Iraq emerged during two taped sessions I held with Herskowitz. These conversations covered a variety of matters, including the journalist's continued closeness with the Bush family and fondness for Bush Senior—who clearly trusted Herskowitz enough to arrange for him to pen a subsequent authorized biography of Bush's grandfather, written and published in 2003.


    I conducted those interviews last fall and published an article based on them during the final heated days of the 2004 campaign. Herskowitz's taped insights were verified to the satisfaction of editors at the Houston Chronicle, yet the story failed to gain broad mainstream coverage, primarily because news organization executives expressed concern about introducing such potent news so close to the election. Editors told me they worried about a huge backlash from the White House and charges of an "October Surprise."


    Debating The Timeline For War


    But today, as public doubts over the Iraq invasion grow, and with the Downing Street papers adding substance to those doubts, the Herskowitz interviews assume singular importance by providing profound insight into what motivated Bush—personally—in the days and weeks following 9/11. Those interviews introduce us to a George W. Bush, who, until 9/11, had no means for becoming "a great president"—because he had no easy path to war. Once handed the national tragedy of 9/11, Bush realized that the Afghanistan campaign and the covert war against terrorist organizations would not satisfy his ambitions for greatness. Thus, Bush shifted focus from Al Qaeda, perpetrator of the attacks on New York and Washington. Instead, he concentrated on ensuring his place in American history by going after a globally reviled and easily targeted state run by a ruthless dictator.


    The Herskowitz interviews add an important dimension to our understanding of this presidency, especially in combination with further evidence that Bush's focus on Iraq was motivated by something other than credible intelligence. In their published accounts of the period between 9/11 and the March 2003 invasion, former White House Counterterrorism Coordinator Richard Clarke and journalist Bob Woodward both describe a president single-mindedly obsessed with Iraq. The first anecdote takes place the day after the World Trade Center collapsed, in the Situation Room of the White House. The witness is Richard Clarke, and the situation is captured in his book, Against All Enemies.



    On September 12th, I left the Video Conferencing Center and there, wandering alone around the Situation Room, was the President. He looked like he wanted something to do. He grabbed a few of us and closed the door to the conference room. "Look," he told us, "I know you have a lot to do and all…but I want you, as soon as you can, to go back over everything, everything. See if Saddam did this. See if he's linked in any way…"


    I was once again taken aback, incredulous, and it showed. "But, Mr. President, Al Qaeda did this."


    "I know, I know, but…see if Saddam was involved. Just look. I want to know any shred…" …


    "Look into Iraq, Saddam," the President said testily and left us. Lisa Gordon-Hagerty stared after him with her mouth hanging open.


    Similarly, Bob Woodward, in a CBS News 60 Minutes interview about his book, Bush At War, captures a moment, on November 21, 2001, where the president expresses an acute sense of urgency that it is time to secretly plan the war with Iraq. Again, we know there was nothing in the way of credible intelligence to precipitate the president's actions.



    Woodward: "President Bush, after a National Security Council meeting, takes Don Rumsfeld aside, collars him physically and takes him into a little cubbyhole room and closes the door and says, 'What have you got in terms of plans for Iraq? What is the status of the war plan? I want you to get on it. I want you to keep it secret.'"


    Wallace (voiceover): Woodward says immediately after that, Rumsfeld told Gen. Tommy Franks to develop a war plan to invade Iraq and remove Saddam—and that Rumsfeld gave Franks a blank check.


    Woodward: "Rumsfeld and Franks work out a deal essentially where Franks can spend any money he needs. And so he starts building runways and pipelines and doing all the necessary preparations in Kuwait specifically to make war possible."


    Bush wanted a war so that he could build the political capital necessary to achieve his domestic agenda and become, in his mind, "a great president." Blair and the members of his cabinet, unaware of the Herskowitz conversations, placed Bush's decision to mount an invasion in or about July of 2002. But for Bush, the question that summer was not whether, it was only how and when. The most important question, why, was left for later.


    Eventually, there would be a succession of answers to that question: weapons of mass destruction, links to Al Qaeda, the promotion of democracy, the domino theory of the Middle East. But none of them have been as convincing as the reason George W. Bush gave way back in the summer of 1999.



     


    Careful! Some neocon troll might twist your post into a threat!!!

    Nothing but words hon, and we know how Obama's words
    nm
    you dont even know me
    Talk about generalizing.  LOL.  You dont know these posters, for pete sake.  Most of us are extremists?  Give me a break.  What are you a radical neocon snooping on the liberal board trying to start trouble?  Only someone wanting to start would make a statement like that.
    Dont lie, that is all
    What are you even posting about?  A conservative got caught in a lie, which is not so uncommon..the lie was proven..PERIOD..Nothing more than that..I guess the lesson is, DONT LIE cause in this day and age, with print, email, bulletin boards, tapes, voice mail, you name it, you will be caught and then your credibility will be questioned. 
    so are u saying that you dont sin?
    Wow, you are like the only perfect person in the whole world!
    Dont believe God had anything to do with it.
    nm
    LOL! Dont you know? EVERYTHING is
    nm
    dont you have any

    family or friends that you might think about for a while.  The victors of the election hold no truck with you.


     


    I dont see it that way, but then again, I am not
    nm
    I dont agree
    I dont agree with the Supreme Idiot Court's decision on eminent domain, not at all..Such a wrong decision..However, I do feel when it comes to an adult woman, the decision over her body is hers and let her stand in judgment with her maker if the decision was wrong..I dont think a child has the right to an abortion without a parents consent, as painful as it will be to the child.  I hope they do take the Supreme Court Justices property away and build a darn hotel..we need to fight back, now, as our rights are being slowly taken away.
    A christian, hun?? I dont think so

    Robertson calls for assassination of Chavez


    Televangelist calls Venezuelan president a ‘terrific danger’ to U.S.


    you dont know what you are talking about
    A xtian republican understanding jewish situations?  Oh please!  When it comes to jews, you do not know what you are talking about. 
    Dont comment, please
    A Xtian, if he/she does not want to look like a fool, should not comment on Israel.
    dont blame me
    Once again surmising about someone on a teeny weeny board.  I would never do that, LOL.  I would hope you are all good people with a different ideology, that is all, and hopefully one day we could understand each other a bit..but once again, attacking, on the liberal board no less.  Please dont attack the messenger, figure out why it all happened and make sure those responsible are held to task.  That is what Im trying to do, get the facts of it all.  If the things I am posting seem to all be attacking Bush, these are articles in the last few days papers, many papers.  They are the ones questioning what the heck is happening down on the gulf and, in turn, so am I.  You dont know anything about me and what I do to help others..Politicizing a tragedy?  No.  Looking at why it happened and what America could have done to have made it not so bad, yes.  That is something our govt has to do.  Who is at fault.  Not for the hurricane, of course, but the levees collapsing, the aid not getting to the unfortunate ones, the money that should have been given to New Orleans but went to war instead, even though Bush was still giving out tax breaks to *his class of people*, the super rich.
    dont preach
    Oh please, we also do not give sermons to other Americans how to act in a tragedy.  I blame whomever is at the helm of the ship when tragedy strikes.  I blame this administration for cuts in the federal money sent to states..I blame Bush for not knowing what the heck he is doing with this tragedy.  Even officials of FEMA are speaking out about no aid coming New Orleans way, too little too late and thankfully the people will remember this next November when we vote.  Please, do not try to tell others what we should and should not do.  The disaster could have been averted, if they had the money to reinforce the levees..but no, that money had to go to Iraq so we could kill more people..Have you helped the victims yet?  Well, I have..sniff..sniff..I smell a usual conservative poster to the liberal board using a different handle right now..is that you?? 
    Dont let the door hit ya on the way out!
    Well, sweetie pie, if this liberal posting on a liberal board is bothering you..why dont you just mosey on back to the conservative board and then I wont be disturbing you?  No one is forcing you to come over here.  The disturbing thing, however, is that I fight back and debate  and will not let the neocon gang of three bully me.  Maybe it bothers you that you have met your match and that quite a few liberals are standing up to your nonsense..Getting to ya, huh?  Goooooooood..
    I dont know who are you to insult

    you.  I certainly do not know your husband.  I did not read your post, if you are referring to one, so if you take particular posts on a board as aimed solely at you, that is not my problem, but yours.


     


    Yes! -and dont like to be mean, really, but "Barney"
    nm
    But YOU sure do, dont'cha?

    gourdpainter? You dont think you are just as
    nm
    dont fool yourself
    I am a Christian also and always first.  I have been a Christian all of my life.  My father is a Baptist preacher.  I believe in Jesus and try to live my life for him.  Dont kid yourself that John McCain and Sarah Palin are moral.  There is not one, not one politician who is moral.  None of them run the country with God's plan in mind.  If they did, our world would not be like it is.  Obama is not saying that he agrees that abortion is okay because he passes a vote for it.  He is saying that a woman has the right to choose it for herself.  Would he choose abortion for his wife, NO.  But he doesnt feel that he should take the choice of free will from someone else.  God gave us free will to sin or not to sin.  We have the free will that God granted us to choose, choose Jesus, not choose Jesus.  We each, individually will be held accountable for our choices.  Why is giving someone a choice in a matter wrong?  It is what that person chooses that is right or wrong and they are the ones that have to answer for it. 
    Once again Mrs M, you have it SO wrong and dont
    nm
    dont try 2 explain it to her... she cant get it
    she keeps stating she is basing her reply off of the OP.  She doesnt understand how the board works and which post is the original.  That is why she is so confused and doesnt make sense to anyone.  I tried to explain it but she is to hateful to get it.  Just let it go, its not worth it.
    sorry dont agree
    you say this as Exxon Mobile has record profits just for this quarter.  Those record profits are made off of the backs of the working class, charging us over 4.00 for one gallon of gas.  I think they should pay more taxes, have less tax breaks or whatever it takes to help out the middle man.  I am spending a fortune in gas as inflation goes up but my paycheck stays the same.  My dollar is stretched beyond what a dollar is worth.  Meanwhile, they are stuffing their pockets with my money.  It makes me sick.