I realize that looking for the truth is to you "deflecting attention away from the issues.."
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-04
In Reply to: SP's real job is to be a sam on steroid for the pubs, - bashing and deflecting attention away from issues
as the truth is not advantageous to your agenda.
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Pay close attention....posting a candidate's stand on issues
is not bashing. And I talked abou the DNC as much as I talked about Obama. It is their agenda, not his. He is the messenger.
Failure to realize the truth......
Most "liberals" have conservative mindsets. We want our kids to do well in school. We want our streets safe. We want to keep drunk drivers off the road. We follow the laws and pay our taxes. So PLEASE think about it. You stay out of my business and I'll stay out of yours. You stay out of my bedroom and I'll stay out of yours. You are welcome to my church but, I regret, I probably won't like yours. I don't believe in mixing politics with religion. I'll respect your beliefs but please don't try to force them on me and I will honor you with the same respect.
Issues people, issues. I need issues
I'm not seeing any discussion about issues. Can we stick to the issues. Jeeze - I want to hear good and bad about both candidates but with facts to back whatever is being said.
P-L-E-A-S-E.....I want issues. How can I make any kind of determinatons about who I'm going to vote for if I don't hear about the issues. Reading some of this I'm thinking I'd get more truth if I read the National Enquirer.
The truth sounds rude when put bluntly but still is the truth. nm
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Liberal truth vs. Conservative truth.
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The truth, the whole truth and nothing but...It's probably the biggest...sm
reason why I am voting democrat...they seem more honest than the the republicans and it looks like people are starting to get smart and *bailin' Palin*... We don't need to keep hearing her *greatest hits" version of her acceptance speech over and over and McSame's POW story...that was then, this is now...we need REAL change and we need it NOW. I don't need someone to push the red button, I need someone to fix the economy!
Truth? The truth is she is nuts!
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try to pay attention okay?
You said, Truman and Kennedy and even Johnson were real Democrats, not like those of today. And I said the same holds true for republicans. I was answering your post to show you it goes both ways. Got it now?
just your attention
she wants your ATTENTION good or bad, happy or sad, so desperately lonely so desperately lonely.
pay attention.......... NDC
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You need to pay attention
Earlier this year, Obama HAS voted to raise taxes on the middle class. The democrats squawk on about raising taxes on the rich but the democrats believe the middle class ARE the rich. WHere have you been? Under a rock?
Obama and Clinton voted to raise taxes on the MIDDLE CLASS....a 3 TRILLION DOLLAR TAX BLUEPRINT...where the democrats were throwing the tax thing out there to see if they could get enough votes on their little UNDER THE TABLE agenda. Under this any individual making over 31K and couples making more than 63K would be TAXED TAXED TAXED!!
Oh how you know only what you want to know!!
You really don't pay attention to what O is doing
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Well...if you would pay attention
they have blacked out the information that they got in those memos for national security reasons. You know....I would be curious to see what you would say if you found out that your life was actually one of the ones saved by "torturing" terrorists.
As far as I'm concerned, you behead Americans that you capture, than the people we capture of yours can be subjected to anything we want and to he!! with you.....but that is just me.
I'm trying to pay attention but
The Jordan Times has his whole speech written up and I don't see those words there.
I did see some very interesting things, though, when he talked about Islam, religion, Muslins, etc.
http://www.jordantimes.com/?news=17273
Yes, of course I realize
I do not wish to perseverate on this topic any more. I have said how I feel and that I was in error.
Yes, I realize that, but
they were Christians and lived with those principles. They weren't fanatics, but they were faithful in their beliefs without forcing others. I guess my point is no leader of this country is going to try to convert anybody to do anything. But this country was based on Christian values. That's all I am saying.
But what you don't realize
is $250,000 is not rich. My father-in-law owns a construction business, and his business makes that much a year, but after paying insurance, employees, etc, it is not much of a profit. He has enough to own a nice home (one story, three bedrooms, two baths, nothing fancy) and a decent truck. He isn't rich by any means. He also goes out and works his butt off literally from dusk to dawn every day. At 61 years old he is still out there building houses keeping up with the young bucks he hires. Why is it fair that after 30 years of doing this he is now going to be taxed more to give to others? Mind you he already gives the shirt off his back to anyone who needs it and has done so much work for free for people in need it would make your head spin. There are many, many others out there like him that will be punished for working hard. It's not right.
I agree that companies like Exxon and Mobil should be looked into. It's not right for them to make record profits when we are struggling. It's not right for the corporations we just bailed out to be out on vacation on the money we just gave them. But those companies are making MILLIONS if not BILLIONS a year. Not a quarter of a million. Quarter of a million is small business owners. If we are so tired of the big corporations, the last thing we need to do is tax small business more. That will cause them to shut down and then all we will have to deal with is the huge corporations. If the local computer repair shops closes down, then eventually all you will have to deal with is Microsoft or Apple. And I don't know if you've dealt with them recently or at all, but they charge way more than any local shop I know and their customer service stinks. That's just one example though.
If O wants to tax someone, go after the big companies. Make the corporations we just bailed out pay back the money since they are obviously just out having a hay day with it. Don't punish small business. That's what (should) drive this country.
Do you realize........sm
that Iraq/Iran/Afganistan are in the area that is referred to as "The Cradle of Civilization?" This is the area of the world that we need to watch as I believe there will be a lot of activity there over the ensuing years.
I realize that there are only so many
words that rhyme with white, but the thing I find disturbing are the double standards. For example, Reverend Wright (not to beat a dead horse so please forgive me) but if a white reverend said the kind of racist things he said about the black community, whoever white political figure attended that church for any amount of time would have had their career ruined. If a church had the same values that Wright's did but you exchanged black for the word white, that church would have been labeled as a racist church....KKK....etc. If a white reverend had given a benediction and said anything remotely like what Lowery did, not only would the race card have been thrown out, it would have been all over the news, the outrage from the black community would have been everywhere, and I'm sure a public apology would have had to have been made.
As a younger white female, I understand the history as far as the facts go. Did I experience it...no. However, I have experienced racism in my own personal life with having some things done to me from a black person for no reason other than the color of my skin. Do I judge all black people by the ones who were racist towards me....of course not. There are good and bad in all races. As a white person, I feel I have embraced what is right. I treat people like I would want to be treated no matter what they look like or the color of their skin. So to be lumped into the category Lowery lumped me into.....well...that is offensive to me.
The comments made by black rappers and celebs saying things like....no more white lies...my president is black and using the N- word. All very offensive to me especially to think that people use them as role models.
And not to burst their bubble.....President Obama is half white. So going by what they were spewing about not trusting white people and their lies....well I guess they can only trust Obama 50% of the time then since technically he is half white. Hmm....funny how no one ever mentions his mixed race and just merely focus on the color of his skin and give him the title of a black man.
I realize that....
I saw their summer homes in Ft. Lauderdale (the size of small cities), their yachts that cost millions and millions of dollars, spit shined, with names like "Never Enough." Since this country has made them so successful, why can't they forgo their tax break to help out their gardners and maids? They have more money than they could ever spend. No resentment here. They either earned it, stole it or was married/born into it. I am sure all of their stock investments either dived or they were forewarned and bailed before the crash hit. The whole country came together and worked as a team during world war II. EVERYONE sacrificed. Now it's every man for himself. I guess we can't expect that kind of heroism of anyone in this day and age.
Wonder what it will take to get everybody else to realize this? nm
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Me too - took about a day to realize it was a lie
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If you don't realize that
the Palestinians have been used as shills by other Muslim and Arab nations to keep this 'conflict' stirred up, not much any of us can do to change your mind.
If you had an attention span, you'd know.
right, Sam. The nutcases who want attention.
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Too bad you didn't pay attention.
The bill failed because 90% of Americans were not behind it. The switchboards in the House and Senate were lit up like Christmas trees with people phoning in to encourage their elected officials to kill the bill. The Democrates did not even support the bill, and they had more than enough votes to accomplish that if they wanted.
I'm not surprised you think Bill Maher is funny. He replaced his brain with his anus ages ago and nobody seemed to notice. But, hey, he sure looked swell on that episode of Murder She Wrote. Yeah, he's the go-to guy for unbiased political commentary.
Pay close attention to what's NOT being said
This is a big story because imagine if that had happened to another presidential or vice-presidential candidate, that members of their follow church members were murdered in seperate killings.
Not even a liberal journalist can find ONE time Obama spoke about this while he was in that church. He has NEVER demanded more be done to find the killers. It's more like out of sight, out of mind.
Remember Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian leader.....he says there are NO gays in his country. Right!!
Since Obama is from a strong Muslim background, just makes me wonder what his true feelings are on this matter.
No, I just pay attention to character, not
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ATTENTION POSTERS
There are way too many personal attacks, foul language and abusive posts going on here.
Read the sticky above. Also read that it is NOT saying to write whatever you want on here.
We're getting loaded with report after report after report to delete messages from this board.
Back off and take it easy on people. Absolutely NO MORE personal attacks. You don't have to like a candidate, but that doesn't make the poster who does any less of person nor do they deserve to be attacked or belittled or called names.
The same is true for those that are reporting absolutely every little thing on here. Read the sticky. Beware of flaming in these posts. If you are too sensitive to be on a political board, then please don't read the posts.
I think that if you truly paid attention
to the complaints on this board, you would realize that what we are complaining about is not the fact that our money is going to government programs to help people who need it. Most of us are upset because these government programs are being abused and misused by dishonest people who would much rather not work and be lazy just to receive government assistance. I have no problem helping people who need it. I think Clinton did a good thing by reforming welfare and I think it is a shame that Obama is undoing that. Welfare is supposed to be a hand up.....not a hand out.
Not wanting to help people in need is not the issue here and I wish that you guys could understand that. We aren't being heartless here. We are just sick and tired of people mooching off of the government when they could work and make a living for themselves.
If the dishonest people who are abusing the system could be taken out of the welfare equation, just think of the extra money we would have to really help those in need. Think about it.
Then you need to pay attention to the fact that
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It's even more interesting when you pay attention...(sm)
In my post below this I did address dems (Pelosi)....and I quote:
"If we lose a couple dems in the process, well, then so be it. If they were in on it, then they need to go anyway."
However, now that you mention it, as far as calling Pelosi a liar or Pelosi saying that the CIA lied, well, that would be hard for any of us to do as I'm pretty sure none of us were in that meeting to verify what was said......except (of course) trigger happy. I'm assuming she was there as she seems to know exactly who is and who isn't lying.
You don't pay very close attention then do you?
O'Reilly has defended Obama on many occasions, trying to find some middle ground as to why he has done or not done some things.
He isn't far right by any means but on the other hand, there's nothing wrong with wanting to preserve our constitution as written.
If he's so far right conservative, it's funny then how FOX news has run circles around all the other news outlets in the ratings. Even adding all of the others' ratings together, FOX news still trumps them big time. That means all the liberal idjits out there are losing ground big time. Those MSNBC/NBC/CNN hate mongerers out there are losing ground big time.
Could it be folks are finally realizing Obama isn't living up to all those promises? It's finally starting to dawn on them this isn't the man for the job. The ratings are proof positive people in this country are ready to hear the truth, not the far left immoral agenda....
have you been paying attention
to the differences between what he said and what he does on other issues. things like (Paraphrased) "I don't want to be in the business of running car companies." ".....won't see any new taxes of any kind." "taxing health care benefits would be wrong." I think when you say when thing and do another that is a lie and it is manipulative.
You really must not have been paying attention
Other than a very brief period about 8-1/2 years ago, the divide in the country has been growing larger for about the last 10 years...surely you did not think we had national unity back in the Clinton years, did you? How about the 8 years of Bush the Younger? Frankly, other than a few of the more vociferous 'radical right' pundits, the country is not doing too bad. The moderates and independents have not chimed in yet as they realize that it's going to take longer than 150 days to clean up the mess left when the keys were handed to the POTUS. So far, the only people truly divided are the extremes, and, frankly, I tend to be happier when I'm catered to in the middle since we're so often forgotten.
exactly, people should better pay more attention
what happens outside the US, as this deterimes what will happen inside the US.
Pay close attention.....
I have read this and it made my skin crawl...
pay close attention to what she is saying...
Like imperialists of Old World Europe, the ACP sees their constituents not as free thinking individuals who best know how to go about achieving and creating their own means for success. Instead, the ACP sees his constituents as a flock of ignorant sheep that need to be led -- oftentimes to their own slaughter.
How many tried to point out BEFORE the election that this man is a racist individual with absoutely no concern for the American people. He is an African Muslim through and through and ANYONE who truly took the time to find out anything about Obama would have seen him for what he truly is, a person who is very loyal to Africa, thinks the African colonial views are best and has started enforcing HIS beliefs one after another on this country.
"Lambs to the slaughter"!! Only those with blinders on think he is going to be the answer to their prayers....
ACORN obsessed with the color his skin as did most ALL black people and whites that voted for him...
It sickened me then and it sickens me even more now. I have said it all along. That man is NOT an American, STILL has produced no VALID birth certificate(not a surprise), has no loyalty to this country and never will, and is a Muslim through and through, just like his father. He spells it all out in his book and truly like "lambs to the slaughter" they still voted that non-American into office.
Now we ALL pay the price!!
Too many most that put O into office will NEVER read this article and even if they could read and did read it, they wouldn't comprehend a thing this indivdiual is trying to say...
She is right. He has no interest in what the American people want, only what he sees as right and only dictators do what he is doing to this country!
'lambs to the slaughter'
'nuf said!!
I didn't realize they were even doing that
until I saw her post, which nobody can help but see when they try to get to the political boards. Now she's denying doing it, so go figure, eh?
They must be getting desperate, and remembering how they got others banned on here, if you suddenly stop seeing posts from me, you'll know they got me banned, as well.
Just in case this is the last post I'm allowed to post here, I just want to point out that in my original post above, I never once singled out a single person or poster. I was speaking in general terms. It was then that they started copying and pasting my posts on theri board and posting their attacks, singling ME out and mentioning my moniker.
I'm also sorry for any trashing YOU might get from them simply because you're being nice to me. I've noticed you're also suddenly one of their targets now.
Like I said, if you suddenly don't see my posts any more, you can just assume that history has repeated itself and that I've been banned, as well.
I hope you have a wonderful evening wherever you are, too.
Wondering if you realize....
that every single one of the comments you are talking about were directed at me, and there are quite a few others. Just wondering if you know how they made me genuinely feel. Just wondering.
I guess I realize that
Well, of course, you couldn't have known. But I guess my whole point is that when we fling personal barbs amidst the political barbs we never know what or whom those arrows are hitting. And not to say I am blameless either. I reach a boiling point when I see certain posters picked on cruelly who (in my mind) really only have the betterment (sp?) of society and the human race at the forefront of their concerns and have gently posted those concerns on a liberal board, only to be picked apart for their belief system. Unfortunately it seems to be human nature.
No more philosophizing here.
I realize that not everyone believes the same
And sorry to offend you but in fact the poster is a fanatic, in my opinion.
Also, it's not a FACT that Palin is a fanatic; she is a Christian. You call her a fanatic, your opinion.
I realize that. But at that particular moment, they
Seeing as how there were standing there praying for her and all. And yes, I saw the video, and yes, they DID mention witchcraft.
Used to be a dem til I read enough to realize they
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Do you realize that all you have are excuses
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No. You are too stupid to realize when you are
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Do you realize that you are hallucinating and
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I realize you do. I posted under yours
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This is the part where I realize just how little
going on besides the "economy" thing that everyone has their minds wrapped around so much it doesn't allow them to see anything else and every time Obama is questioned about something he wants to sidestep, he shoots back to that horrible economy that he knows so many can't think past.
You'll just have to pay attention, dive in, and connect the dots. I'm tired of doing it for you.
I realize this is probably lost on those who don't
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I hope you realize (sm)
That anyone can post just about anything on YouTube.
Do you realize how you sound?
It does no good to call others names- it only makes you look bad. So sorry many on here so outraged because the other guy and his side-kick, whatever that person's name was from Alaska is, did not make it but we have chosen the correct leader. To say the president who left kept us safe is laughable- remember 9/11? Who was the president then? I rest my case.
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