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Where did you get your debating skills?  On the south side of Chicago in some street gang?  Because if you did, it shows.

In a REAL debate, there is no room or tolerance for personal attacks.  Yet, that's all you people know how to do.  You can't stay on the issue.  You MUST attack the poster personally, claiming to know not only what they think and feel but also claiming to know what every liberal ever thought or did, what they're thinking and doing right now and what they will be thinking and doing for the next 1,000 years.  In fact, you seem to know everything about anything that ever existed on the planet, exists now or will exist into infinity. 

As I (and others) have said repeatedly and you just can't seem to grasp, if you constantly treat people badly, they're not going to want to associate with you.  Lurker was very gracious in her posts to all of you on your board, but even she, in the end, couldn't tolerate your continued, nonstop, personal attacks any more (as she indicated in her responses to the attackers).  If you ever stop knowing it all and become interested in the proper way of debating someone, you could learn a lot from Lurker.  You see, having *thick skin* is only important if you're a thug in a gang somewhere.  It's irrelevant when it comes to treating humans like humans, and in that area, you have a lot to learn. 

As for me, I like to learn from intelligent, friendly people with different political views, so I visit boards where those kinds of people are found.  Not all conservatives are angry, rude, come out swinging and need to personally attack 1,000% of the time.  Some of them are actually quite nice and informative, and they can be found on other forums.  Too bad they can't be found on MTStars.

Have a pleasant evening.

one of the main problems we have in the region is reputation.  As far as most Arabs are concerned the west is the west, with little differentiation between the US and Europe.  If you look at it from their point of view, the west (Britian) took their land to give it to the Jews, and the US (also west) has been backing this decision ever since.  As we all know, this has been the main contention since WWI that they have had with us.  So, in that respect I believe it is very important to look at the history of the situation. 

There are also problems with recent history.  Bush said he wanted a 2-state solution.  Publicly he denounced the advancement of Israeli settlements into Gaza; however, the settlements not only did not slow down, but actually increased the whole time he was saying this.  What was done about it?  Nothing -- that is unless you count Bush raising the amount of money we give Irael each year.  Israel has been using this support we provide to strong arm the rest of the region for years, and reallly needs to be reigned in if we are to have any credibility in the region whatsoever.

LGBT issues is only a part of the whole course.  It starts in K with why you shouldn't tease and then continues and doesn't hit LGBT issues until the 5th grade.  This is obviously a problem in this state or they wouldn't be addressing it. 

I agree that kids tease, but given today's lack of guidance in the home for kids, the schools are having to take on this responsibility just to keep the kids safe while in their custody.

In a post below you said that we didn't have to have that kind of teaching in school.  You're absolutely right.  We knew what not to do because our parents taught us that.  My grandmother raised me for the most part.  She could "out christian" the best of you.  She didn't agree with homosexuality, interracial marriage, etc, etc, etc....She did teach us that it was wrong as she saw fit.  She also taught us not to make fun of others no matter what.  But by the same token she didn't sit there in front of us and call Rock Hudson a fag.  That's the difference.

LGBT issues is only a part of the whole course.  It starts in K with why you shouldn't tease and then continues and doesn't hit LGBT issues until the 5th grade.  This is obviously a problem in this state or they wouldn't be addressing it. 

I agree that kids tease, but given today's lack of guidance in the home for kids, the schools are having to take on this responsibility just to keep the kids safe while in their custody.

In a post below you said that we didn't have to have that kind of teaching in school.  You're absolutely right.  We knew what not to do because our parents taught us that.  My grandmother raised me for the most part.  She could "out christian" the best of you.  She didn't agree with homosexuality, interracial marriage, etc, etc, etc....She did teach us that it was wrong as she saw fit.  She also taught us not to make fun of others no matter what.  But by the same token she didn't sit there in front of us and call Rock Hudson a fag.  That's the difference.

In every place I go where the pledge is recited ballgames mostly when we got to the words under God it's amplified UNDER GOD!!!  That's what I intend on doing even if it becomes illegal.  I don't care if they outlaw the word God period I'll shout it from the mountaintops.  First of all to glorify my God, and second of all to irritate those who think it's a curse word.

Go ahead sue me...hang me...chop my head off.  The best is yet to come for me anyway. 

the McCain campaing has set Palin up to be the attacker of Obama's character and let McCain talk about what they will do if they are elected. 

As for Palin lying, I do believe that Obama has not been 100% truthful with things brought out about him.  He has changed his story several times on different associations and issues and that makes me not trust him. 

I do find it interesting that a lot of times what an Obama supporter can say about Palin....a McCain supporter can say about Obama.  LOL!  Kind of makes you wonder what the heck all of us are thinking really. 

One thing that holds true for me in the case of Sarah Palin is that she cut spending in her state.  I truly do believe that for the sake our country....we need to cut back on the government pending and this just reinforces my trust in McCain and Palin to do just that.  Obama...on the other hand....I believe will not cut back on spending as he has endorsed more pork in his short term in senate than McCain has his entire career.....and that to me says a lot.  And that has nothing to do with him being a POW and having the scars to prove it.  LOL!

I could  not care less so long as they don't mess around with the constitution.  I do think, however, that there is much ado about nothing.  As for the alleged tax breaks...when my husband and I married we asked my CPA about tax ramifications.  He said we would be better off to marry.  When we filed our first joint return, the same CPA said he didn't realize how much our income was and that in fact, marrying was the worst thing we could do tax-wise.  So if gays/lesbians want to marry for tax purposes, they had better take a good hard look at where the marriage will put them.

I don't know that there's anything legal/illegal about it but I expect that in the case of serious illness or injury a significant other would not be kept from the bedside. 

My husband and I used an attorney to draw up papers (forget what they are called) that directs everything that could possibly be foreseen and the cost was something like $350.  That would work just as well for gays/lesbians I would think.

We  have a gay couple in our community, also biracial.  They moved here from another state.  Both wear wedding rings, I have no idea what it symbolizes, haven't asked.  One is rather elderly and has relatives here but they accept the significant other and everyone just goes about their business.

Gay/lesbian relations are not new, it goes all the way back to biblical times.  I don't lean in that direction myself so I do not know anything about it, whether it is a choice or people are born with that bend.  I just have a hard time with God saying that it is an abomination for a man to lie with a man as with a woman and then that He would turn around and cause people to be born with this kind of sexual orientation.  That being said, let them do what they will, it is between them and God.  Like religion and politics, they don't need to try to shove it down the throats of the majority who are heterosexual.

that Jesse Jackson is a detriment to the black community.  Surely there has to be someone better to represent and stand up for the black community.  If a white person made the general comments that Jesse Jackson does......the black community would scream racism.  His own son spoke negatively about his father and his comment. 

I personally don't feel that there will ever be equality between the races because people are constantly wanting to point the finger at the other race.  Do I want equality....yes...of course I do.  I have many black friends who are great people that I care about.  But until we stop pointing the finger at the other race, it won't stop.  Prejudice and racism is on both sides.  It isn't just the white folks or the black people.....it is on both sides and until people stop and realize that and learn to forgive and forget and be accepting.......it won't change.

As for Bill Cosby, I loved watching the Bill Cosby Show when I was younger, but the more I learn about Bill......the more I think he is a huge bigot.

failure in our government is a failure on both sides.  This isn't strictly dems, although dems control the congress, and this isn't strictly reps even though the pres is a rep.  I think they should all stop pointing fingers as what is done is done and find a solution that will benefit the tax payers and not line the crooks' pockets with money anymore than they already are.

As for McCain....no matter what....at least he had the balls to say....HEY...we have a problem here.  That is more than other politicians have done who benefited from FMFM money.

pub or dem, who benefited from this should be the ones financially responsible to repair it.  But that isn't going to happen and I'm sick of hearing about who's responsible for it.  What about the homeowners who applied for these mortgages that they knew they couldn't afford?  I hold them responsible.  What about the banks who gave them the loan, knowing they could never repay it, but didn't care because they were just going to sell it?  I hold them responsible.  What about the CEOs who made millions on their severenace packages when they walked away from these failing companies?  I hold them responsible.  I don't care what party they are affiliated with.  But the fact is, no one person is going to be held accountable.  As a whole, the taxpayers will be made to be responsible.

You talk a good game and some of what you say makes sense.  Unfortunately, you have to read through all the pub/dem cr@p to really get to what you're saying.  Are you going to try to tell me that not 1 single pub had anything to do with any of this?  That it all rests on the individual dems?  Come on -- that's a load of bull and you know it.

Madeline Halfbright was Clinton's Sec. of State.  Don't even get me started on her.

No matter what, I give nobody a free pass just by the R behind his/her name.  Look at Olympia Snow & Susan Collins!  Talk about embarrassments!

everything except for American.  We need to unite and come together and we need to drop the extra titles.  That doesn't mean we should forget where we come from or our heritage.  It just means that when we lose focus on us all being Americans and just Americans....we start to categorize and stereotype and segregate ourselves.

Besides, I really don't want to be call an Indian-German-Scottish-Hungarian-American.  I'm an American and I'm proud of that.

thank you for your many insightful posts on this board during this whole election process.  Your posts along with sam's posts have very accurately paralleled the glaring differences between these two candidates, yours being ones of depth of knowledge, integrity, tolerance and a true desire for change for the better, whereas, the other one's posts have been largely based on garbage gleaned from questionable websites, blogs and other biased sources that have accomplished nothing other than to incite hatred and intolerance in support of a candidate who has based his whole campaign on filthy lies and evil smear tactics in pathetic attempts to discredit his opponent who has risen above this display of low-down politics.

So, my hat's off to you, Gourdpainter, for setting an exemplary example for all of us to aspire to!!  

can't get away from them. Even this tax probably won't help. You name it, I've tried it except Chantix (sp) but I need a doctor to prescribe it and I don't have a doctor yet.

My mom smoked until she was 79. Died 4 months later. DH doesn't care if I don't quit after that because his mother died 6 months after she quit. Doesn't make sense, but it did happen.

the natural cycle of our planet.

It still amazes me how AL Gore can go from place to place on a his private jet telling others we should be concerned about global warming.

AIG is losing more and more money every day...  we all know that.  My story is that my BF is on Worker's Comp for an injury.  He will never be back to what he was, but is as good as he is going to get until he can have a knee replacement, which they will not because of his young age.  So we are thinking it is time to settle with the insurance company - who is backed by AIG...

They are already offering us a lot less than what we expected because they say they don't have money to give, but what happens if we hold out and then the company goes belly up?  Do we just lose out completely then?

Can WC go belly up?  I mean, is it backed by the government since it is mandated by the government and he will keep getting his benefits if he does not settle or are we looking at maybe losing even his weekly check and medical benefits and so we need to take what we can get while we can?

I think gay marriage is wrong.  I would not mind a civil union so much but to me....marriage is a sacred thing between a man and woman.  It is bad enough that marriage between some men and women isn't taken as seriously as it used to be and that alone saddens me. 

I truthfully am sick and tired of having homosexuality shoved down my throat everyday.  These protests that are more riot like than actual protests, gay people knocking a cross out of an older woman's hand while she was civilly showing her point of view and was attacked for it.  The public displays in church of kissing and dancing around.  The spray painting of buildings and churches.  It is just ridiculous.  Acting like immature and childish brats does not warrant you the right to get married.  I think I might have more compassion for them if they did not act like they have since voters voted against gay marriage in California. 

I have some gay friends who are even ashamed by the stupidity of other gay people who act in such a manner. 

This is just something that I will never condone nor be happy with.  I do not hate homosexuals nor am I a homophobe.......this is just a lifestyle that I cannot approve of.  We are all entitled to our opinions on this subject....so please no bashing of me just because I was honest about my view points.  Whether or not you agree with me....fine.  We will just have to agree to disagree.

Specter has been there for too long anyway.  The man has been there since 1980.  Time for some new blood. 

I agree with you and what you said about the crats.  I personally feel that libs on here give the crats too much credit just like the pubs on here give them too much credit.  If either side really gave a rip about the American people, neither party would have voted for all this spending under Bush and Obama. 

As for the pubs, yes they keep saying no but it is because their constituents are saying no or did you not pay attention to the tea parties and the fact that thousands of people showed up to tell government to stop spending our money.  The pubs are trying to rebound by doing what their constituents want even though they didn't mind spending under Bush.

Both parties are full of double standards, temper tantrums, and whining.  When the pubs are in control...the crats do nothing but whine and stomp their feet and vice versa.  You can always tell when people on here are for one particular party because the thing they complain about is something their own party does but they never admit it.  Wise up, people!!! 

How many politicians are out there that you truly believe care about you and me?  All I see is a bunch of people bickering over party lines and making promises to get elected and then spending their whole term trying to pay back the people who donated to their campaign to get them elected by being their puppet.  That is what Washington has become and for those of you who refuse to see that both parties are involved....well....that is just sad.

neither those memos nor those pictures should be released.  Look at the turmoil it has caused since the memos alone were released.  You got half of the story without all the information being released.  You have Pelosi lying through her teeth trying to save her own skin while pointing the blame at the CIA and Bush's administration while claiming she knew nothing.  It is just unnecessary turmoil right now especially since we still have troops in Iraq, Afghan....and God only knows when we will have to go to Pakistan to get the nukes away from the terrorists.  This just isn't the time to be going after our own people.  Fighting amongst ourselves only makes the true enemy stronger. 

I personally feel that those pictures will put our troops in more danger than they already are.  It will give extremist groups more ammo to recruit more people to their cause. 

And no matter what you feel about waterboarding....be it torture or extreme interrogation......terrorists do much worse to the people they capture.

Our objective right now is to win the war and keep America safe. 

he got second place just because he is gay.  If the voters were so anti-gay....he wouldn't have made it that far in the first place.  I think it is unfair to suggest that he lost because he is gay....just like I think it is unfair for someone to not enjoy his music merely because of his sexual preference. 

some more research on what government controlled healthcare would do to privately owned insurance companies.  You need to look at the whole picture and not just the BS the democratic party dishes out to you that you so willingly take and believe without batting an eyelash.  Insurance companies will go under, more people will lose jobs.  If everyone has healthcare, more people will go to the doctor for sniffles and colds.  It will make the healthcare costs go up and Obama wants healthcare costs to go down.  The only way to do that is to limit the care that people can have.  Government will also have to cap what doctors and nurses can make and therefore we will have fewer and fewer people entering the medical field.  If care is limited because of costs, we might as well forget about research for new treatments because even if they have a new treatment, government healthcare won't approve of you to have it.  More people will be given death sentences instead of treatment in the attempt to cut healthcare costs.  Waiting periods will be longer because there will be more people wanting healthcare and less doctors and nurses to provide said healthcare.  You need to stop and think about this.  You are so blind on this subject it really is baffling.  Someone who preaches about research and so far all you have given on this subject is the same rhetoric Obama spews out which is nothing but total BS!

Our country is broke.  China pretty much owns us.  More and more people are losing jobs.  In my state the unemployment went up into the double digits again.  We cannot afford this healthcare plan and even if we could....it is a horrible idea and definitely something that shouldn't be rushed to pass because once we do this....you can't take it back. 

And another thing....the only way to pay for this is to tax us more and yet Obama promised not to raise any kind of taxes of 95% of American people.  Why are you letting him get by with that.  If a pub had made that sort of promise and renigged on it....like Bush Senior did........you all would be on him like flies on stink.  Why the double standards here?