I never said as an independent I looked objectively....
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-15
In Reply to: Yer always saying we "cant have it both ways", yet - you claim as an "independent" that you - sm
at both sides. I am an "independent" meaning independent of the major parties. You have to register as something to vote in this country and I chose Independent. As far as objective...none of us are objective. All of us have taken a stand on one side or the other. What I do is present the other side of things posted here on the Dem side. Instead of refuting the posts, generally I just get attacked. That is generally what happens when a point can't be refuted, so all that is left is to attack. It works itself out here nearly every day.
As to the "you can't have it both ways," that was originated by a Dem poster. I just turned it back to them and I will turn it back to you...you can't have it both ways.
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to make myself extremely clear, it looked as if the baby was unconscious, was limp and looked to be
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Try to look at this objectively...
George Tenet wants a legacy other than *I screwed up* (which he did), and he wants to sell books (which he will). Some of what he is saying now is not at all what he said under oath in front of Congress. I suggest you read up on this situation. He said he DID say *slam dunk* referring to the intelligence, and he DID say he was wrong. He is now trying to say it is the Bush administration's fault for believing what he told them, and that they wanted to invade Iraq so bad that they went on his say-so. Which is ludicrous. And the administration, ANY administration, is SUPPOSED to be able to trust what the freakin head of the CIA tells them. And do not forget...Tenet was left over from the Clinton administration. Bush did not fire him when he took office. In retrospect...he probably SHOULD have, ya think?? By the way...what he says in the book is already being taken apart...people he quotes as saying certain things to him at the White House at certain times...the people were not even IN THE COUNTRY at that time. Basically....he lied and he is getting caught in it. He just wants to sell a bunch of books...and he will...he will be validated by the left because he is saying what they want to hear, lies or not. With all due respect, I do not understand why people on the left jump on a bashing bandwagon for Bush without doing research on their own. Boggles the mind.
Agreed. And anyone who looks at it objectively and not through partisan...
glasses could see it too. Fox has a lot more Democrat contributors and commentators than MSNBC, the major broadcast outlets or CNN. And Fox has more viewers, so apparently it is the choice of a lot of Americans.
And as to the debates...Obama didn't want anything near a town hall before his convention. I read he was going to come up through the floor in a set that looks like a Greek temple to accept his nomination. I thought to myself you have GOT to be kidding. His spokesman didn't deny it, just said it was tastefully done. Okay, a tastefully done temple. Oh my. Well, I reserve any opinion until I see it.
I am independent....independent of either party.
I am registered with neither. And I am not really interested in your interpretation of what a Republican is or is not.
I was talking about Obama's stand as an Illinois state senator. Since I do not live in Illinois and was not one of his constituents that rather rude indictment of what I would or would not do is moot. Had I been a resident of Illinois you can bet your sweet bippy there would have been plenty of senator/representative contact.
Not voting for Obama DOES give me a clear conscience. Whatever calamity he wreaks, it will not be because I put him in charge. If he gets his way we will become a socialist state. That is something I do NOT want to be a part of. PERIOD.
Thx & Sorry.... I should have looked it up! :P
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Don't you think they would have looked into this?
 - Don't believe everything ya' read...
I did, too. I wish I never would have looked at this
FEMA coffins, too. I'm going to stop watching these now
Okay - I looked for it -
my curiosity got the best of me - I cannot find anything that says Obama lied about anything. Can you point me in the right direction? I am still trying to work and also get my new information for the day... Thank you!
You know, I looked and looked
and could not find the mistake they accused me of making. I am sure that I made such a mistake, but it must have been days ago. Not really sure why I care, either.
So, I just went and looked at that...(sm)
and here's the deal. O'Reilly made fun of the woman and called her a witch. SNL made fun of Palin. So, O'Reilly is making the case that if SNL can do it he can too. HELLO!!!! SNL is a COMEDY show. Fox is SUPPOSED to be news. That's the difference.
You know....I looked the other way
when Obama said that we aren't a Christian nation. I don't really agree with that given the number of Christians in this country and the fact that all of our money has In God We Trust on it....but whatever. I understood that he didn't want to tick off the secular part of our country because, as we know by the hate stated on this board, many non-believes truly hate believers.
However, when he said that we are a Muslim country.....I was like.....excuse me? We aren't a Christian nation but we are a Muslim country? Why couldn't he have just said that we are a country with many different religions and we have the freedom to practice whatever it is we choose or don't choose. I would have respected that a lot more than....we are not a Christian nation......we are a Muslim country.
I understand trying to make ties with Muslims who aren't extremists and want us dead, but to say something like that.....total BS. I just don't know what games our President is playing. You would even think that some of the atheists on this board who hate Christians would have a problem with Obama calling us a Muslim country too....but since Obama said it and some of them love Obama.....I'm sure they will, once again, give the big O a free pass as always.
he looked awful
He looked like something was wrong in the news video I saw..I did not state it was alcohol. I stated you never know cause something looked wrong..his face was hanging, his eyes were puffy, he was inattentive..definitely something was not right..Believe me, I do not wish this disease on anyone..I have seen what it can do..
Oh, you looked in the mirror, then?
Oh, don't stop now! Keep talking, keep the accusations rolling! Keep proving my point.
I have looked at "my" guy
and I've looked at McCain. I wouldn't vote for McCain if you paid me. Did you not HEAR him say he's the biggest free trader ever?
<groan" only 1 more day.
YOU have not looked at the facts.
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I looked at the article but I would like you to know
more abortions go on under a republican leadership than democratic. You probably will think this is not true, but just do the googling for yourself. Regardless of what is signed, regardless, women have for years and will continue to have abortions, whether he is president or someone else. There does not have to be any law at all for women to have these. I know because I was born back in the 40s and abortions illegal when I was a young teen but girls/women still had them. This is a radical based article you are looking at. I would take this article with a grain of salt.
I think those things will be looked at...
but the impetuous is on stimulating the economy RIGHT NOW. And, with the stimulus package as it stands..........it will not work. Tax cuts do not work. It's been proven over and over again.
If you looked really close to
Nancy Pelosi you would have seen the large brown on her nose. That is what that was all about. Look at me.....I'm Obama's right hand woman and I'm going to applaud and give a standing O for every little thing he says whether it is stupid or not. Woo hoo! Personally, I'm surprised the dems didn't do the wave or something. I wonder what kind of kool-aid they served last night. Hmm.
ROFL! I never looked at it from that...
point of view!
They looked more like devil worshipers to me.
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I looked at it....and I understand the feelings...
however, you know where I stand. I stand on the sides of the soldiers who said *yes, it is our right to do that, that does not mean we have to exercise it* and *I myself would not have done that.* I do not blame any of those soldiers for appearing, other than I believe, whether intentions are good or not, that they worsened their situation by emboldening the enemy. I see that that was not a question that was asked. If those soldiers had to answer that question truthfully, a whole different debate might be out there.
Again, I support their right to do whatever they think is best; I do not support their timing. The problem is that others also have to live with the consequences of their actions. We all have a lot of rights to do a lot of things...we simply choose where and when to exercise those rights...using discretion...and considering how our actions will affect others. I had a right to carry a sign in the park across from the White House while Clinton was in office saying the President of the US is an admitted albeit unindicted felon, but I did not exercise that right. That is basically what I am talking about. It is how you choose to exercise the right...not that you HAVE the right. And I don't think hiding behind *I have the right* always excuses the fallout from the exercising. But you knew we would not agree on this.
I also have a problem with a statement like *the majority of the country is against the war in Iraq,* and *the majority of the military is against the war in Iraq.*
When you look at the percentages on the polls they are very close. Without giving the actual percentages, it gives the impression of a much larger gap. And they quoted the Military Times poll for the other statement. The Military Times does not now nor has it ever represented the majority of the American Military, and there is a definite bias there. But I will stop on that subject now.
As to biased on the part of CBS...I believe CBS probably actively hunted for this story, and I expect those gentlemen were paid well for their appearances, though we will never know that, and it really does not matter in the grand scheme of things.
The last time I looked he was in Houston at...
the emergency management center. When did he go to New Orleans? Not being smart, hadn't heard that.
He said that is why he did not go last time...exactly what you just said. And now he goes, ...and you criticize him.
Serious question...why is that? Don't want to fight, just want to know.
Obama did well. He actually looked at McCain.
McCain wouild not look at Obama at all. He just looked at the camera and the commentator with his fake smile.
Anyone actually looked at the money Obama wants
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Nice try, not buying that. I have looked at both
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looked at her financial records lately?
she is definitely not a poor girl in my opinion. I think she could afford to buy her own clothes...
Wow! Markets looked like they were coming up right
before the election, but now that the election is over, it FELL 486.93 points today. What's up with that?
No. He looked very insecure. He is the leader of the
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I'm a "dem" and I am already "weeping," have you even looked into this whole.....sm
package, some of the ridiculous, overblown, superfluous spending on pet projects that will NOT create jobs OR stimulate the economy in the long-run, as most sane, thinking people want?? Stop the partisan insanity, when you talk along party lines like that you are basically treating Americans like me as though we have a LOBOTOMY just because we belong to a party...I can think for myself, I believe in most Democratic principles, I am trying to support my president, but I will tell you I am angry, and very, very worried about what my children and grandchilden are going to inherit....I am changing my affiliation to "independent", as I thought our nation was supposed to be, but will never be, because we will be mortgaged to China and several other nations. What a shame!
You mean in the brocade nightmare that looked like
my great grandmother's curtains or the hideous dress she wore to the balls that looked like cottonballs were sewn to it? I would not call her beautiful; handsome maybe, but not beautiful.
I saw a lot of pictures and to me it looked just like the convention,
Republican, all old and white. I saw no black faces in the crowd, just white. I think veiled attempt (at first) as an anti-Obama rally. Just talking with husband tonight. I am old and have never seen anything like what is being spouted now days, very dangerous situation for Obama, I think. Just heard man asking radio station today about concentration camps in America. What? Why is everyone running scared? What in the h. is going on? I think people are hysterical and the insanity has gone too far.
I do know what the original SS draft looked like....
A great great uncle of mine was a friend of Roosevelt and was a long-time military man. He finally retired and went back to the midwest when Roosevelt called him and asked him to please come back to Washington to draft a plan for SS.
We are fortunate to have this to see and I can guarantee you it had nothing to do with freeloaders and moochers but was to look out for the older crowd. Yes, they were taking into account the average lifespan of a man and then their windows, so she could have money to help feed their children if he died early. This was in part because of the stock market crash where so many lost their life's savings. It was never never meant to be what it has turned into. Wealthy older Americans were not to have this money JUST because they hit a certain age. If they had money, they were not to draw SS, only those with extreme need.
Unfortunately, over the decades government has turned SS into anything but its intended use.
The last time I looked we were NOT involved
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touchas -- looked up proper spelling nm
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Charlie Gibson looked down on her while talking. I
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I did post a solution at the top...looked good to me...
but if you reward the bad behavior that got us here, and leave the same foxes in charge of the henhouse with absolutely NO remorse for where they put this country...maybe you are ready to excuse them. I'm not. does not mean we can't move forward with a solution. But I am not cutting them any slack. Do I blame them? Yes I blame them. They nearly killed the economy and are about to cost me several billion dollars. You do whatever fits you best. I think SOMEONE in this should lose their job!!
I always thought he looked like Alfred E. Newman
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I always thought he looked like Alfred E. Newman
What, me worry?
I am NOT an O fan, but WOW!!! I wish my bare arms looked that good. nm
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No idea....looked like maybe a broken blood vessel?
It DID look bad.
Bush looked like a liar in that flight suit.
The democrats are into strobe lights and smoke machines and can conduct their convention any way they choose. Nobody asked for your approval. Go serve tea and crumpets next week in the Twin Cities but better remember a couple of air raid alarms to wake up the crowd when they start dozing through their lack of enthusiasm for the best they could do.
I've looked at Barack's voting record, though, and don't see that.
He talks change, sure, but I want to see evidence that he truly takes action toward change. And not just NOW, now that he's running for POTUS. I want to be able to look back and see a consistency and I just didn't see that with his voting record. Not saying McCain is the answer, either. I really can't back either right now, and as stated, I truly wish I felt differently. I'm quite apprehensive about the future of this country. I want my children to enjoy freedom and freedom as I knew it when I was a child no longer exists, so I am very fearful what their adult lives will be like. Someone has to change THAT, and I don't see much from Barack about that issue. Personal liberties need to be restored and upheld and politicians need to stop bowing to individual groups that claim to be working toward "the greater good" when their eyes are really on the prize, which is always money in their pockets. Is Barack going to stand up and do that for US citizens? I really don't know. Words are easy to say. Sure, we can vote again in 4 years if he doesn't live up to the hype, but will this country survive 4 more years with the wrong person at the helm? Again, not saying it's McCain either. I actually kinda feel like there's no good choice right now and we're doomed no matter what! Again, I know I'm not alone in this line of thinking because I've talked to many, many others who feel the same way that I do.
What a vile thing to say. He looked absolutely perfect to me!
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That looked like a juvenile high school posting
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Sam, how can you say you are an independent? sm
From your posts it appears you are a staunch republican. You know the saying, if it walks and quacks like a duck, Quack, Quack!
I too am an independent
In independent to me means not belonging to either party. You can be an independent and fervently support one candidate over the other. It means finding the better of the worst and not buying into the party line. I think people need to start comparing Obama's expereince with McCain's experience. If you want to compare Palin with anyone you need to compare her with the opposite parties VP candidate. But people are comparing Obama to Palin because there is no way they can win if they compare him to McCain. I am an independent, but the more I read, the more I listen to all the networks, the more I hear Palin's family getting "politically gang raped" the more I want to know why and the less I trust the liberals. I am an independent. Years ago I supported Bill Clinton til the end, I didn't support either Gore or Bush and the next term I didn't support either Kerry or Bush. Now I support McCain. That is because I can stand back and look at what both McCain & Obama have done. How they have voted in the senate, what they have done with their careers, how they want to lead the country, etc. and I can view it all with an open mind. That makes me and independent.
I am an independent with....
conservative values and some liberal ideas. Extremest? Don't know what that means. Never been called an extremest. When I hear that I keep thinking about some person who ties themself to a tree so it won't be cut down, but if it means I'm open to anything and will listen to all viewpoints and think on my own then yes that I am and glad to be one.
There's a lot I don't like that the republicans have done, but so much more I don't like that the democrats have done. However, what's worse is I don't like what the media and some of the posters on this board have come to. It is unbearable and they just pick and pick about absolutely nothing and spew lies and because of them I don't think I would ever vote for Obama.
As for Ms. Couric? She is a complete and utter moronian. No she is not running for president. She is not even qualified to give a decent interview and be respective of the people she interviews. If she thought Kissinger said that they she didn't do her research and should be the last person to interview anyone. She should go back to the morning show and gossip. She is a far left liberal and her condescending attitute exuberates. She is never that disrepectful to the democrats that she interviews. The media is so one-sided (on both sides - I'm not excluding anyone from blame), but at least I have the fortitude to listen to both sides and decide for myself who I like better.
I made one comment and you think I'm going to vote for McCain? Oh, boy do you have that one wrong. I have mixed feelings about the debate and I thought Obama did well on certain issues and I thought McCain did well on other issues. I hear the liberal media trashing McCain and for what (the way he looked, because he wasn't wearing a flag pin?) The liberals are too interested in "looks" they ignore the issues. I close my eyes and listen to each candidate, that way I don't see if they look to the right when the should look to the left, smile at an inapproate moment or any of that utter nonsense each accuses the other of.
I'll tell you I do not like the democrats proposal to the bail out. They want to give a free pass to the people who created the mess and have the average working american pay for it. Maybe seeing as you are so "for" this, you can supply your address and they can bill you the $10,500 it will cost each family and you can pay my share cos I don't have that kind of money!
As for the debate, I understood Obama more on what he was saying. McCain's answers were too complicated and left me wondering what he was talking about. However, it does not mean I liked what Obama was saying. As for foreign policy, sorry but taking a vacation in a foreign country doesn't qualify you as being knowledgeable in foreign policies.
McCain stated perfectly well and it's on record that he voted against a lot of what Bush was proposing. To say its going to be more of the same is a scare tactic and lie and you are just going along with the party line.
I hate Rush Limbaugh! I think he's a biggoted pig who can't listen to the truth if it stood in front of his face, and he puts down anyone who doesn't agree with him. At the same time I can't stand Sean Hannity, Alan Colmes, Mike Savage, Ray Talafero, Keith Oberman, Rachel Maddow (well she's actually not too bad) or any other right or left wing slime-bag who doesn't look at the whole picture with open eyes and trashes one side with false information while propping up their side with inflated opinions.
I do have to admit - Obama does seem to be on the side of the average americans, but cripes....look at his voting record. Sure, anyone can say their going to do this and that for you, but look at what they have done in the past, how they have voted, etc.
Here are my likes and dislikes -
What I like about Obama - He seems to have fresh ideas (which we can use right now). He's a very eloquent speaker, nice looking, nice looking family. When he says he cares about you I believe it. If he becomes president I can deal with that. I'm not against him, just people need to know what are his plans and he needs to stop lying to us. When he lies about one thing what else is he lying about. And he never said he would cut out unnecessary things that we don't need. So that tells me he's going to have all these programs and we will end up paying for them just like when Clinton was in.
What I don't like - I don't trust that he will do all the things he promises. We will be taxed to the hilt to pay for all the programs that we will not benefit from. While I like that he is willing to talk to our enemies I don't think he's knowledgeable enough about foreign policies, etc.
While I like that he's knowledgable about the economy I don't like his solutions for how to fix it (it screws us while keeping his rich friends rich!)
What I like about John McCain - He doesn't vote straight republican. He is in the middle. His comment about Obama being so far to the left he couldn't reach over was stup!d. To call someone left or right is just a gimmick. It means nothing (at least to me). I like and feel safe with McCain's knowlege of foreign policies. I feel that McCain will fight for the Americans so we don't end up paying for congresses mistakes. To say that if McCain gets in only the rich will get richer because its the same exact thing if Obama gets in there. Obama is rich and surrounds himself with the rich and those 1% rich they are always talking about with the republicans, well they have their 1% richest friends too. We saw it when Clinton was in office.
What I don't like about McCain is I wish he was younger (although Biden is around the same age). I wish he had a little more color (his skin is very white). I wish he would talk in simpler terms I could understand, and I wish he would stop saying "my friends" in every other sentance.
All in all I believe presidents are just talking heads. They surround themselves with the people who make the decisions. They don't think on their own. They carry out their orders from their superiors.
As for "big government getting cutbacks under Bush". Big government was getting cutbacks under Clinton. This is not anything new and not prone to one party or the other. However Clinton's legacy is that we saw NAFTA and the beginning of our jobs being shipped overseas.
As for talking about Obama and Palin's inexperience. They are both inexperienced. But I also remember...so was John Adams, George Washington, and all the other leaders in the beginning. The difference for me is that Obama is running for President. Palin is only running for VP. And I trust the people that McCain will surround himself with more than the people that Obama will surround himself with.
So because I bring up that I heard Kissinger interviewed and he said that he never said he would sit down and talk to enemies without preconditions you make an assumption that I'm an extremist and conservative. If I heard on the news that something McCain said was a lie you would probably be cheering me on. You just don't like when your candidate does something wrong and points it out.
I think you should read a post and keep your hatred to yourself, and who is Henry?
I am independent and a free thinker and I am proud of it!
I am independent as well and see what happens
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I am an independent. s/m
I lean left sometimes, yes. Sometimes I lean far right. I personally do not believe in abortion and I believe homosexuality is a sin and a choice people make. That's pretty right, isn't it?
My take......from an independent
When you factor in ALL the illegals that should NOT be voting that were voting and then factor in ALL the pushed in fraudulent voters who didn't even know who Obama's running mate was (they thought it WAS Palin), then it's no surprise Obama won. After all, he did promise all "illegals" they could get a drivers license and all moochers they could get free money, so gee, what motivation! A no-brainer!!
Factor in the hard working folks who were voting out of shear fear of the economy, the women who were afraid they wouldn't have the "right" to murder an unborn child, and you have yourself a president, for good or for bad.
Flame all you want....the truth usually does incite.
I still say Ron Paul would have been much better for this country. Much smaller government, no IRS, close our borders against illegals....the list goes on and on.
I'm independent
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