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I may have a lot of things to answer to Him for... sm

Posted By: m on 2008-11-22
In Reply to: YOU LIAR, LAUGH YOU $$ OFF...s/m - Vie

but this ain't one of them!


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    typo - meant cite things as hoax, not "site" things
    Just thought I'd correct that before I get pummeled by the people who want to believe snopes is a truthful organization.
    why do you answer so stupidly, the right answer
    if you had any brains, would have been......

    'well, she made a mistake.'

    But telling me that I need a job, is so stupid, yes, stupid AND a very weak point.
    Oh I can always tell when things are going your way
    the diatribes ensue.
    How do you get away with saying things like that exactly?

    Two things:

    1:  His approval rating as I write this has now decreased to 29%.  (However, by the time you read this, it may be even lower yet.  He is most definitely *a work in progress,* and the number of Americans who are waking up and smelling the proverbial coffee is increasing at a rapid rate.


    2.  The fact that the government has been tracking phone calls of hundreds of millions of Americans may be nothing more than a political *parking ticket* compared to what we might discover next week.


    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/5/12/19380/1332


    NSA Whistleblower: There's More, People Are Going To Be Shocked



    Fri May 12, 2006 at 04:38:00 PM PDT


    From the subscription-only Congress Daily, Chris Strohm reports that NSA whistleblower Russell Tice will make some on bombshell revelations on Capitol Hill next week:



    A former intelligence officer for the National Security Agency said Thursday he plans to tell Senate staffers next week that unlawful activity occurred at the agency under the supervision of Gen. Michael Hayden beyond what has been publicly reported, while hinting that it might have involved the illegal use of space-based satellites and systems to spy on U.S. citizens. Russell Tice, who worked on what are known as special access programs, has wanted to meet in a closed session with members of Congress and their staff since President Bush announced in December that he had secretly authorized the NSA to eavesdrop on U.S. citizens without a court order.  In an interview late Thursday, Tice said the Senate Armed Services Committee finally asked him to meet next week in a secure facility on Capitol Hill.


    Tice was fired from the NSA last May. He said he plans to tell the committee staffers the NSA conducted illegal and unconstitutional surveillance of U.S. citizens while he was there with the knowledge of Hayden, who has been nominated to become director of the CIA. Tice said one of his co-workers personally informed Hayden that illegal and unconstitutional activity was occurring. [...] I think the people I talk to next week are going to be shocked when I tell them what I have to tell them. It's pretty hard to believe, Tice said. I hope that theyıll clean up the abuses and have some oversight into these programs, which doesn't exist right now. [...]


    Tice said his information is different from the Terrorist Surveillance Program that Bush  acknowledged in December and from news accounts this week that the NSA has been secretly collecting phone call records of millions of Americans. It's an angle that you haven't heard about yet, he said.


    what 2 things
    In the last paragraph of your post Re: The Other Side of Mel Gibson, you state,
    There's two things that booze does. You omitted the second thing. What, in your opinion, is the second thing that booze does?
    I get it. You really do think all those things....
    just in poor taste to post them. We are on the same page now.
    I believe three things

    1. My eyes watching Scooter's conviction..  2.  Valerie Plame, the person who knows her situation best.  3. Patrick Fitzgerald.  Now there's a guy with a high IQ that was not manufactured by professional fact fixers.


     


    Two things....
    Obama has already said he was going to put a windfall profits tax against the oil companies...money earned by one person...and divvy it out in $1000 whacks to people who did nothing to earn it. That is redistribution of wealth and that is Marxist. He already said he was going to do it. Government run health care is socialism.

    Second question...how is he going to pay for all that stuff you have listed there? Tax oil companies more? What do you think that will do to gas prices?

    Just wondering.
    What are those things

    Can someone explain what those things are outside the RNC.  I understand wanting to protest and you hold a sign up showing your viewpoint and maybe you yell out something you believe in, but I can't understant what those things are that are wearing masks, being dragged away, having to be hosed down by the police.


    What a nonsense and insane world they must live in.  I'm all for freedom speech, but this is beyond my understanding. 


    Also - don't they have jobs?  Do their employers allow them to take time off work to go do this and get arrested?  I want that job.  HA HA


    A few things I would add...
    This reply is picking up at the point after the main context regarding religion, which was addressed now under 2 separate posts.

    The comments regarding basic human kindness. Is that a one-way street? What part of the Black Liberation Theology campaign which, if I recall corectly, you championed most vocally and most repetitively was not about race, politics or religion? If it's not two-way, it's a dead end. Perhaps leading by example would be a first step in the right direction.

    With regard to welform, it is comforting to know that both candidates and both parties are on agreement and promote programs that tie welfare, jobs and training together. In terms of expecting welfare recipients to climb out of the "lower bracket," it is curious that you would hold them to an entirely different standard than you would the entire middle class, which again, if memory serves me, you claimed in a previous post in defense of tax cuts to the wealthy, fell into that same "lower bracket." To bankroll welfare that would raise the middle classes out of the "lower bracket" would most certainly appear socialist, and of course, we can't have any of that.

    I am not aware of any candidate who seeks to "stifle" American ingenuity. Please enlighten us on that one. Are you referring to tax increases on individual incomes in excess of $250,000 or the proposals that would remove tax loopholes for large corporations? I am confused as to how that would "stifle" them. Our candidates seem to be in agreement on the need for government accountability and fiscal responsibility. Not soo sure how McCain proposes to go about it, but O has outlined his fiscal policies nicely here http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal/ and has detailed him in his Blueprint for Change here http://origin.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf.

    That unity Americans supposedly shared in the aftermath of 9/11 is what some people would characterize as shellshock after an act of war on our own soil. Seems that the present administrations's response to that attack over these past 8 years is exactly why the nation is so divided now. That shared experience is not something that can be taken back. One thing is for sure. The politics of fear that worked so well for them is not really working that well anymore, so there is no "going back;" there is only going forward from here.

    Not quite sure what the prayer statement is trying to say, especially in the context of discrimination (?) against Christians. God is on the currency, but Jesus is not. If you are referring to prayer in school or any other public gathering, I'm afraid that could get pretty messy. Nothing against prayer or praying, but this being a country where all are free to practice their religion, then public places would need to have a prayer room and rug to accommodate the Moslem practice of call to prayer, meditation rooms for the Eastern faiths and the like. In assemblies led by Christian prayer, it probably would need to be followed by a prayers or readings from The Torah, The Holy Kitab, The Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, The Avesta, The Confucian Analects, The Doctrin of the Mean, The Holy Mencius, The Great Learning, The Holy Quran, The Hadith, The Holy Akaranja Sutra, The Holy Kalpa Sutra, The Holy Kojiki, The Holy Nihongi, The Holy Tao Te Ching, The Holy Chuang Tzu, The 4 Vedas, The Upanishads, the 18 Puranas, the Bhagavid Gita…see what I mean? Kinda messy. There is a reason our forefathers had the insight to provide for the PRIVATE practice of religion.

    On the abortion issue. This is easy. All people do have their say. That's why we have choice. Free to exercise the choice to have or NOT to have an abortion. To remove choice is anything but free. So you want quality, affordable, portable health care for all, lower costs, etc. Here's a plan you might consider. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

    Thank you for saying things that I have
    been trying to say. Thank you for standing up for Jesus. Thank you for not being afraid to say how you feel. I, too, am a born-again believer and I am terribly burdened by what I have read on this board. I am shocked that so many of my co-workers do not believe in prayer, or even in God. I guess this is something I have always just taken for granted. Once again, thank you for your courage.

    One thing we can do, as believers, we can pray for wisdom in making our decisions who we will vote for in this election. Also, whoever is elected, we can lift them up daily for strength and wisdom and God's will in the decisions they make for our great country!
    If you don't like things the way they are NOW, and you
    most definitely that you were intellectually challenged.
    You have taken things too far!

    You do not have the right to call someone ignorant just because they interpret those quotes as racist.  If you don't think they are racist, fine.....after all we are all entitled to our own opinions.  If you can't handle people having a different opinion than your own, don't bother reading or posting on the board.  Calling people names does not prove your point. 


    Obviously there are other people on the board other than the original poster who feel those quotes were racist.  I have always thought Obama and his wife were racist and these quotes are just more proof of that.


    no one is looking things up and

    posting for discussion.  they are recycling the old attacks about flag pins and trying to provoke silly discussions to distract from the precipitous plunge of the McClain campaign in the face of the wall street debacle.


     


    It is the WAY you said things
    you were very condescending. That doesn't get anyone anywhere!

    I am not judging you but the Bible also tells us to basically "check one another" when need be. And I am checking you. Chill out and have a little compassion. Be on fire for Jesus, by all means, but be SMART about it!


    There are some things, whether Dem or Rep, that
    Christians have to be intolerant of.  We absolutely ARE NOT supposed to hate anyone and we are instructed to love our neighbors as ourselves.  That doesn't mean we have to tolerate things that go against our beliefs; we just have to be kind no matter how we feel about a situation. 
    Too bad you don't know how to put things in
    @
    so many of these things can be

    turned around and said about Obama.  The lack of his experience.  He has never run anything.  He has consistetly voted present instead of making an executive decision of yes or no.  He has only been in the senate for 4 years and has spent more money on pork and earmarks in those 4 years than McCain has his whole political career.  Palin got rid of the personal jet the prior governor had.  She has made her state a success and she has given money back to her constituents.  She has the highest approval rating as governor.  You care about the money the RNC spent of Palin's clothes which will be given to charity and you don't comment about the millions and millions of dollars that Obama has spent during his campaign....not to mention the 2 million dollar shindig they are planning in Chicago during election...who is paying for that?  you bring up troopergate with Palin and yet you refuse to see Obama on committees with terrorists who gave money to radical groups.  All the money that Obama raised for educational purposes didn't improve the schools in his district at all.  The housing that was in his area for community organizer....especially the ones owned by Rezko were so bad that people had no heat during the Chicago winters.  The same Rezko who he had sketchy dealings with in order to buy his mansion for way less than what it is worth.  Obama the same man who attended church for 20 years where  the preacher did nothing but preach about how America sucks because it was run by whitey and blacks should take over.  Not to forget his cousin in Kenya who Obama campaigned for and gave money to and when his cousin lost the election....his followers rioted and killed innocent people.  Obama campaigned for him when he visited kenya.  What has Obama run successfully?  The housing in his district were not up to snuff.  The school he pledged to help with the committee he was on did not improve.  Are you not seeing a pattern here.


    So go spout your BS somewhere else because this person, who has done her research, isn't listening.  Obama has many more sketchy things in his life than Palin and he has just as little experience.....and he is running for president....NOT VP. 


    There are many things about
    Barrack Obama that scare me.  His far left ideas are just a tip of the iceberg here.  The facts that he will basically force companies to unionize by getting rid of a secret ballot will lead to corruption.  It will lead to more control by the democrats.  With a democrat controlled congress with a democrat in the White House.....who are we to stop anything?  Obama will have total control and I literally shake at the idea of having a man like Obama....with his radical ideas and his associations.....with power over our country.  I never thought the USA could be threatened by a dictator........but I truly fear we are heading in that direction and that thought terrifies me.
    he says a lot of things -
    x
    Some things
    he might not have specifically said because he wasn't thinking of the Americans who would be sitting around splitting hairs (wild hairs I might add). RE: "And only recently has he started saying workers."


    I don't believe that she said these things
    Until it can actually be substantiated, rather than just hearsay, I do not believe that Palin did not know that Africa is a continent. That is ridiculous. She is not a stupid woman, regardless of whether or not you like her. Remember--Obama said something about 57 states, but I don't believe that he doesn't know how many states there are, either.
    EMR and VR are two different things.
    EMR just refers to being able to access medical records via computer rather than having to have the paper chart in front of you. That part will not affect our work load as the reports still need to be done & entered on the computer system.

    VR is a completely different nightmare than endangers patients almost as much as offshoring IMO.
    Things that don't add up...(sm)

    To me there are 2 glaring problems with this (besides the fact that she can't care for that many children)


    1.  She is supposed to be on workers comp for her back, but she can carry a pregnancy of octuplets?  I would think workers comp would be investigating that.  It's one thing to have a bad back and accidentally get pregnant, but this was intentional.


    2.  I think she's a certifiable nut, but isn't she majoring in psychology? 


    There are many things that

    factor into the car industry crisis.  First off, unions, in my opinion, are the bane of the car industry.  States that force unionization show a lower number of production, lower number of job growth, etc.  The states that do not force unions have a higher rating in production and job growth.  When the economy was booming, the unions didn't help but they weren't running business into the ground.  Now that the economy sucks....the unions are sucking the life out of the car industry. 


    Next we have Americans buying foreign cars.  Not only does that send money to other countries but it is hurting American auto makers, etc.


    Then you have the legacy costs that, just like the unions, were okay during a good economy but are now sucking the life out of the car industry.  To allow people to retire at 50 and then receive that kind of pension is insane.  They shouldn't be letting people retire that early....unless their health doesn't allow them to work.


    Then you have the CEOs making huge amounts of money and other higher ups who are making millions to do absolutely nothing.


    Now our economy stinks and people can't afford to buy cars and the ones who can are too afraid because the car industry is struggling as well as they are also scared of their own finances if this gets worse. 


    All in all....we have succesfully killed the car industry.  Dealerships are closing doors like crazy.  Dealerships go a whole day with no traffic on the lot.  People are losing jobs left and right.  Factories are closing.  People are forced to take a week off each month, etc.  It is truly scary and we have greed to thank for this whole thing.  Greed in government.....greed in the unions.......and greed in CEOs, etc.


    Saying it and doing it are 2 different things
    It's all fine and dandy to act like the "tough guy" but at some point someone who is supposed to be "sane" at the moment they are committing the crime and thinking they are doing justice by a vigil ante (sp?) attitude is no better than the original person who committed the crime. There are very sick people in this world. If they commit a crime they should be put behind bars and get the counseling they need. But to take matters in your own hands and dowse someone in a chemical and set them on fire. That chemical then goes down the throat. The fires then goes down their throat. Its just awful awful awful. I don't care how much anguish, anger, frustration you feel. She had no right to do that and she is no better than he was. I stick by my statement and I hope the family of the rapist sue this lady. What she did was unspeakable.
    There are many other things

    that will have to change and happen before I give much praise to the current administration.  As for Nasdaq going up....that is great but we will all have to wait and see if it stays up.


    No matter what rhetoric you preach or how much kool-aid you drink, the fact of the matter is common sense.....you can't spend and borrow your way out of debt.  The current administration is making a huge mistake spending all of this money


    Obama says he wants better education and yet he does away with vouchers and the teachers union does nothing but keep bad teachers employed.  You cannot let the teachers union control things and make education better at the same time....it just won't happen.  If we held teachers accountable and fired them for poor performance, the teacher's union would scream and shout. 


    He wants national healthcare.  Who wants the government to decide how long people live and whether or not they should receive treatment or not?  Who wants government to tell you what procedures you can have done and when you can have them no matter how urgent your need is? 


    He wants bigger government.  I don't want everything controlled by government.  That gives them too much power and they obviously are too greedy to handle such empowerment wisely for the sake of the American people. 


    So what if the market is up.....whooptee do.  There are still so many things that Obama wants to do that I cannot agree with.  There are still too many crooked things going on in Washington with Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Tim Geithner, Pelosi, etc. 


    For once I want a president and politicians to actually do things that are best for the American people.  Not what is best for the executives who gave them money for their campaign but the American people who work hard everyday and are struggling right now.  I'm tired of having a president in office who is being pulled by puppet strings. 


    Those car fax things are only
    accurate if people report their accidents to their insurance.  If they take it home or to someone they know and have it fixed without turning it into insurance....that won't show up on a carfax report.  Just a tip.
    Two things.

    1.  I believe she meant that Glenn Beck had a heart for the soldiers.   Which he does. 


    2.  There are a whole lot of us in the deep end with her.  And we like it here.   


     


     


    Two things: 1. No he's not hot.
    2.  Barf, barf. 
    Two things: 1. No he's not hot.
    2.  Barf, barf. 
    Three things.....(sm)

    1.  I understand your insecurity about having a president who can't think for himself as we've just been through 8 years of that.  However, this one actually has a mind of his own.  Imagine that.  Now that's what really scares you.  He thinks for himself and isn't swayed by the ridiculous temper tantrums of the party of NO.


    2.  You are correct in saying that other countries didn't know what Bush would do next, he!!, WE didn't know what Bush would do next.  Kind of like the way we look at North Korea and Iran  --- we call them rogue nations, but when we do it, it's supposed to be the right thing to do?  Get real.


    3.  Yes, I laugh at what you guys try to pass off as facts because the rationale for most of the statements on this board (which are usually just repeats from Fixed Noise) are absolutely comical.  Heads up...here comes Beck with a gas can!  I wonder how long it will take before they put him in a padded cell?


    There are other things, too, though.
    They already to treat the wealthy differently. There is a point of income beyond which they cap and stop taking out social security. Eliminating that cap would go a long way to equalizing the playing field. And I see nothing wrong with there being a means test to be eligible for social security. I can't get food stamps or other government aid because I make $50 too much a month to be eligible, yet I am still paying into. Why should those that can afford it be denied?

    And there have been isolated pockets of people who were able to opt out of social security. But when you recall what happened to those who entrusted Enron with their pension funds, and people who now have seen their 401Ks invested in mutual funds dwindle away to next to nothing, social security still serves as a barrier between the effects of today's robber barons and economic instability.
    There are other things, too, though.
    They already to treat the wealthy differently. There is a point of income beyond which they cap and stop taking out social security. Eliminating that cap would go a long way to equalizing the playing field. And I see nothing wrong with there being a means test to be eligible for social security. I can't get food stamps or other government aid because I make $50 too much a month to be eligible, yet I am still paying into. Why should those that can afford it be denied?

    And there have been isolated pockets of people who were able to opt out of social security. But when you recall what happened to those who entrusted Enron with their pension funds, and people who now have seen their 401Ks invested in mutual funds dwindle away to next to nothing, social security still serves as a barrier between the effects of today's robber barons and economic instability.
    There are other things, too, though.
    They already to treat the wealthy differently. There is a point of income beyond which they cap and stop taking out social security. Eliminating that cap would go a long way to equalizing the playing field. And I see nothing wrong with there being a means test to be eligible for social security. I can't get food stamps or other government aid because I make $50 too much a month to be eligible, yet I am still paying into. Why should those that can afford it be denied?

    And there have been isolated pockets of people who were able to opt out of social security. But when you recall what happened to those who entrusted Enron with their pension funds, and people who now have seen their 401Ks invested in mutual funds dwindle away to next to nothing, social security still serves as a barrier between the effects of today's robber barons and economic instability.
    I can answer that. The answer is no. nm

    Answer

    I was frequently banned on the old forum format, at least once a week during the weeks I was actually posting (I would then get disgusted and stay away for up to a month at a time).  Have only been banned once since the new format so I would agree with your analysis. 


    Otherwise as to other folks banned, I remember lots and lots of complaints/comments but can offer no specifics.  I also remember seeing a lot of interesting posts go poof!  Used to really really be bad on the old religion board.  But hopefully that's improved also.


    I would have bet it all that you would answer this way.
    I suppose you also believe that poverty causes crime.
    You would not like my answer
    so I won't even go there...
    So the answer is yes,
    Where did the soldier in the article lie?

    I come from a family with multiple generations who served and continue to serve in the military, including Iraq, so spare me your little lecture about troop morale.

    Have a lovely day.
    This should answer...
    at least one of your questions. I found this site: http://www.cms.hhs.gov/MedicaidGenInfo/05_SCHIP%20Information.asp

    Which states that in general, states can not permit the implementation of preexisting condition exclusions.

    However, in states like South Carolina, where SCHIP is run through BCBS, they can implement preexisting condition exclusions, but only in so far as HIPAA rules allow - which I would assume (have not researched) is the 12 month waiting period.

    As for your other question, I have a muscle disease (big time preexisting) and I can't even get health coverage privately. I have to struggle to work full time, even on the days I feel like my whole body is on fire, just to get group coverage. I had the 12 month preexisting condition thing, with which they are denying everything - saying that it's all related to the preexisting condition - and I pay $260 a month. I should also mention that this coverage is just for me - no children/spouse.

    Hope that helps.

    Thanks for the answer....
    and you have a good one as well.
    Right...there is no answer.
    You want it your way or no way and want to squelch any kind opposition. Sounds more like the the old USSR than the old USA. There's that Marxist thing again.
    answer...
    Again you prove my point. And MSNBC, CNN, and the others are any different, except their slant is to the left? You really think people don't notice that? lol.

    Dear...drop the condescencion. Demographics can have many meanings other than the one you describe.

    I was talking about news outlets. I know there are other places to get the conservative view...but I want to get both sides. I don't watch the commentators much on either side...hard to find a point in the bashing, and that means both sides. Mostly I just turn them off.
    you just know everything, don't you...have an answer for everything
    no matter what anyone says, you (meaning the posters on here who continually try to bully everyone into their own way of thinking) will defend her - even if she was caught in bed literally with John McCain you would have an answer for that.

    I heard an interview by Jodie Foster where she stated she literally hates weakness of any kind, in any thing. She said if there was a bird fallen out of a nest (to that affect) on the sidewalk in front of her she would want to kick it. That is the majority of what I see on these boards. Nastiness, aggressiveness, women toward women. Do you think kindness is a weakness, because I know most men do. I personally do not want to be a man.

    That is okay, Jesus has said the weak shall inherit the earth - I will follow Jesus' teachings before I would ever follow people who think killing over 1 million innocent people is a good thing and are blood-thirsty for even more lives and souls, a majority of which comes right from the pulpits. I think I read somewhere those people will suffer most at the end of the world - as for me I am making sure I am not one of them.

    Might is right, bigger is better - you can have all of it and women can get as aggressive as they want but you will find out it was wrong when men do it and it is wrong for women to do it.
    here's the answer
    I, too, am in a quandry about this election, but I do know that opening up drilling for oil in Alaska is just a temporary solution.  We are spending 10 billion ($$$) a month for the war in Iraq.  Why are we there?  For oil.  Think how far that money would go towards developing new alternative energy sources in this country in order to free ourselves from our addiction to foreign oil.  Even in Dubai, where they currently have plenty of oil, they are cuttng edge in the development of alternative energy sources.  Even they realize the oil is not going to last forever!!.  The powers that be in this country are so ignorant and greedy that they refuse to see that this is the ONLY SOLUTION to this madness!!!  Wake up, people.  This is a change that will garner HUGE improvements in all matters of economy and  environment, and showing the rest of the world that the US can be an example in leading the way to making these changes!!!
    That's really the best answer
    Don't talk to them about it. Judging by this board, things can get very heated and nasty and really, has anyone changed their minds after reading any of this stuff? I think at this point most of us know who we are going to vote for and arguing is just pointless.

    Answer. sm
    I realize what trouble we are in.  That is why it frightens me that this bimbo is literally 1 heartbeat away from the presidency. 
    See answer above. Aha. nm
    nm
    Answer
    The same number of Democrats as Republicans.