I hear this too. Here is a link, but I put the article inside. www.OneNewsNow.com
Posted By: MT and worn out on 2008-11-01
In Reply to: Oh brother - where to start is right. - Just me
Obama has aunt living in US illegally
Eileen Sullivan and Elliot Spagat - Associated Press Writers - 11/1/2008 6:55:00 AM
WASHINGTON - Barack Obama's aunt, a Kenyan woman who has been living in public housing in Boston, is in the United States illegally after an immigration judge rejected her request for asylum four years ago, The Associated Press has learned.
Zeituni Onyango, 56, referred to as "Aunti Zeituni" in Obama's memoir, was instructed to leave the United States by a U.S. immigration judge who denied her asylum request, a person familiar with the matter told the AP late Friday. This person spoke on condition of anonymity because no one was authorized to discuss Onyango's case.
Information about the deportation case was disclosed and confirmed by two separate sources, one of them a federal law enforcement official. The information they made available is known to officials in the federal government, but the AP could not establish whether anyone at a political level in the Bush administration or in the McCain campaign had been involved in its release.
Onyango's refusal to leave the country would represent an administrative, non-criminal violation of U.S. immigration law, meaning such cases are handled outside the criminal court system. Estimates vary, but many experts believe there are more than 10 million such immigrants in the United States.
The AP could not reach Onyango immediately for comment. No one answered the telephone number listed in her name late Friday. It was unclear why her request for asylum was rejected in 2004. The Obama campaign declined to comment late Friday night.
Onyango is not a relative whom Obama has discussed in campaign appearances and, unlike Obama's father and grandmother, is not someone who has been part of the public discussion about his personal life.
A spokeswoman for U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, Kelly Nantel, said the government does not comment on an individual's citizenship status or immigration case.
Onyango's case - coming to light just days before the presidential election - led to an unusual nationwide directive within Immigrations and Customs Enforcement requiring any deportations prior to Tuesday's election to be approved at least at the level of ICE regional directors, the U.S. law enforcement official told the AP.
The unusual directive suggests that the Bush administration is sensitive to the political implications of Onyango's case coming to light so close to the election.
Kenya is in eastern Africa between Somalia and Tanzania. The country has been fractured in violence in recent years, including a period of two months of bloodshed after December 2007 that killed 1,500 people.
The disclosure about Onyango came just one day after Obama's presidential campaign confirmed to the Times of London that Onyango, who has lived in public housing in South Boston for five years, was Obama's half aunt on his father's side.
It was not immediately clear how Onyango might have qualified for public housing with a standing deportation order.
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Interesting article see link inside
Looks like the feminists are supporting Palin. Very interesting article and it explains why they are supporting her.
http://www.bizzyblog.com/2008/09/06/palin-punditry-you-wont-see-in-the-papers-or-on-the-tv-news/
Good article - link inside.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/sep/10/women.uselections2008
See link to article from Women's News inside.
http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/2046/context/archive
I posted the entire article, but I MUST be LYING! LOL! Link inside. sm
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/30/230457.shtml
Each brown place in the link takes you to a different article that supports this article...nm
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post the link only, not the whole article and the link. See rules for posting.
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I hear what you are saying....and I am not bashing either...see inside...
but my point about liberals was not bashing. The liberal creed if you will, that I read about, is admirable...but my experience has been, like it was here, that you seldom find individuals who really reflect those ideals, and if they did, the world WOULD be a better place. That is not a bash. Several of the posters here do not tolerate any sort of challenge or disagreement to what they believe or their candidate. When you post something they don't like, it is like a gang mentality...they pile on and support each other in the attack, and not just me, any conservative poster. That is bashing.
You left out these bashing posts...."I think she is off her meds"...."sam is arguing with herself"....those are bashes. "go make a fool of yourself.." that's a bash. "You can exercise free speech until the cows come home, nobody is interested in your fanaticism..." - bash. "This poster just needs to go away." bash. and here is a lovely one that was not directed at me, but of the same ilk "poster is a jerk to say the least...what a douche bag." That one is particularly pleasant, don't you think?
And there was "You don't snort crack you jerk"...that one wasn't even in an abortion thread. I quoted Obama's book and was told that I was a liar and I could not have read that because he didn't say that. Just automatically called me a liar when one Google search would have told them I was telling the truth. The animosity is toward me...the abortion thread is just an excuse for more piling on. But that is okay...I have broad shoulders.
and...here is the all-time classy favorite, "it is not murder you jack a-hole."
You have to look inside the posts to find some of the real nuggets.
Oh I left out religious wacko...and I never posted anything about God telling me to do anything, although that has been attributed to me as well. And I was told to take my religious ranting to the religion board.
I do appreciate what you have said here. And I appreciate the lack of bashing. For you there are more interesting things in politics going on, and I do post about other things. And get bashed for most of those, because I do have conservative viewpoints which obviously 90% of the people who post here don't share. Doesn't matter...we are all entitled to our opinions and to express them. It is a basic American right and we should exercise it.
And so far, I am the only one here who has said I defended the rights of all who post here, even the ones who bash me.
I am not saying I will never post another abortion thread. I have no immediate plans to do so. The issue will probably come up again as the campaign progresses, because Mr. Obama has a pretty radical abortion stance. My only suggestion to you and the others is that if I do, just ignore it, and it will die right there. You will have accomplished what you want to do without name calling or anything else, no long threads, no attacks, no nothing. Just one little post sitting there. It can't go anywhere if no one replies to it. How can any of you object to that?
Thank you for the post. :-) We can have civil exchanges.
It's not quite that simple. (Please see article inside.)
I'm certainly no McCain fan; however, when I first heard about this possible "controversy" concerning his birth, contrary to this article, I thought it was frivolous at least and outrageous at most, considering his father was a soldier at the time, and I felt it was a slap in the face to soldiers everywhere.
Just as McCain was vetted about this issue, so was Obama, and both men were found to be eligible to run for President.
McCain's birthplace prompts queries about whether that rules him out
By Carl Hulse
Published: February 28, 2008
WASHINGTON: The question has nagged at the parents of Americans born outside the continental United States for generations: Dare their children aspire to grow up and become president? In the case of Senator John McCain of Arizona, the issue is becoming more than a matter of parental daydreaming.
McCain's likely nomination as the Republican candidate for president and the happenstance of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 are reviving a musty debate that has surfaced periodically since the founders first set quill to parchment and declared that only a "natural-born citizen" can hold the nation's highest office.
Almost since those words were written in 1787 with scant explanation, their precise meaning has been the stuff of confusion, law school review articles, whisper campaigns and civics class debates over whether only those delivered on American soil can be truly natural born. To date, no American to take the presidential oath has had an official birthplace outside the 50 states.
"There are powerful arguments that Senator McCain or anyone else in this position is constitutionally qualified, but there is certainly no precedent," said Sarah Duggin, an associate professor of law at Catholic University who has studied the issue extensively. "It is not a slam-dunk situation."
McCain was born on a military installation in the Canal Zone, where his mother and father, a navy officer, were stationed. His campaign advisers say they are comfortable that McCain meets the requirement and note that the question was researched for his first presidential bid in 1999 and reviewed again this time around.
Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina and one of McCain's closest allies, said it would be incomprehensible to him if the son of a military member born in a military station could not run for president.
"He was posted there on orders from the United States government," Graham said of McCain's father. "If that becomes a problem, we need to tell every military family that your kid can't be president if they take an overseas assignment."
The phrase "natural born" was in early drafts of the Constitution. Scholars say notes of the Constitutional Convention give away little of the intent of the framers. Its origin may be traced to a letter from John Jay to George Washington, with Jay suggesting that to prevent foreigners from becoming commander in chief, the Constitution needed to "declare expressly" that only a natural-born citizen could be president.
Duggin and others who have explored the arcane subject in depth say legal argument and basic fairness may indeed be on the side of McCain, a longtime member of Congress from Arizona. But multiple experts and scholarly reviews say the issue has never been definitively resolved by either Congress or the Supreme Court.
Duggin favors a constitutional amendment to settle the matter. Others have called on Congress to guarantee that Americans born outside the national boundaries can legitimately see themselves as potential contenders for the Oval Office.
"They ought to have the same rights," said Don Nickles, a former Republican senator from Oklahoma who in 2004 introduced legislation that would have established that children born abroad to American citizens could harbor presidential ambitions without a legal cloud over their hopes. "There is some ambiguity because there has never been a court case on what 'natural-born citizen' means."
McCain's situation is different from those of the current governors of California and Michigan, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jennifer Granholm, who were born in other countries and were first citizens of those nations, rendering them naturalized Americans ineligible under current interpretations. The conflict that could conceivably ensnare McCain goes more to the interpretation of "natural born" when weighed against intent and decades of immigration law.
McCain is not the first person to find himself in these circumstances. The last Arizona Republican to be a presidential nominee, Barry Goldwater, faced the issue. He was born in the Arizona territory in 1909, three years before it became a state. But Goldwater did not win, and the view at the time was that since he was born in a continental territory that later became a state, he probably met the standard.
It also surfaced in the 1968 candidacy of George Romney, who was born in Mexico, but again was not tested. The former Connecticut politician Lowell Weicker Jr., born in Paris, sought a legal analysis when considering the presidency, an aide said, and was assured he was eligible. Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr. was once viewed as a potential successor to his father, but was seen by some as ineligible since he had been born on Campobello Island in Canada. The 21st president, Chester Arthur, whose birthplace is Vermont, was rumored to have actually been born in Canada, prompting some to question his eligibility.
Quickly recognizing confusion over the evolving nature of citizenship, the First Congress in 1790 passed a measure that did define children of citizens "born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States to be natural born." But that law is still seen as potentially unconstitutional and was overtaken by subsequent legislation that omitted the "natural-born" phrase.
McCain's citizenship was established by statutes covering the offspring of Americans abroad and laws specific to the Canal Zone as Congress realized that Americans would be living and working in the area for extended periods. But whether he qualifies as natural-born has been a topic of Internet buzz for months, with some declaring him ineligible while others assert that he meets all the basic constitutional qualifications —— a natural-born citizen at least 35 years of age with 14 years of residence.
"I don't think he has any problem whatsoever," said Nickles, a McCain supporter. "But I wouldn't be a bit surprised if somebody is going to try to make an issue out of it. If it goes to court, I think he will win."
Lawyers who have examined the topic say there is not just confusion about the provision itself, but uncertainty about who would have the legal standing to challenge a candidate on such grounds, what form a challenge could take and whether it would have to wait until after the election or could be made at any time.
In a paper written 20 years ago for the Yale Law Journal on the natural-born enigma, Jill Pryor, now a lawyer in Atlanta, said that any legal challenge to a presidential candidate born outside national boundaries would be "unpredictable and unsatisfactory."
"If I were on the Supreme Court, I would decide for John McCain," Pryor said in a recent interview. "But it is certainly not a frivolous issue."
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/28/america/28mccain.php
See article inside - very interesting
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/obama_government/news.php?q=1227843027
see link inside...........sm
http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm
Link inside. sm
Sorry. Link inside.
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1107-20.htm
See inside for link
Please see the below link for the previous time this was brought up.
See link inside.
See link below:
See inside for link.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1839724-1,00.html
see link inside
This is what I have had time to find so far:
Seeing his B/C at the link inside
convinces me. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/ (No link, copy and paste)
See inside for link
See below
See inside for link. sm
This is the last time I will post anything about the issue of Obama's birth certificate. It is a dead issue.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
see link inside -
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-birth-certificate-30-oct30,0,1742172.story
See link inside.
Here's one example:
"Opinion of U.S. from abroad plummets under President Bush"
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/10/poll-europe-cri.html
see link inside
We will not stop until the truth comes out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJc6uczdhE0
See link inside.
http://texasfred.net/tags/anchor-babies
I couldn't possibly agree more. Going to bed now.
A link for you inside
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/08/11/frances_model_healthcare_system/
see link inside for all addresses...SM
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
All of this has been debunked! Link inside. sm
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y
Barack should tell them to kma...see link inside
Ok, I knew I hated politics - actually I don't hate politics, just certain people in politics...this article goes to show why the Clintons are a disgrace to the democratic party. Someone needs to slap Bill upside the head and say get with the program or get out...we don't want your kind here (this is an article coming out of UK - and they love him there).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2211812/Bill-Clinton-says-Barack-Obama-must-'kiss-my-ass'-for-his-support.html
Link inside on why. Wondering if you know
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2007/09/04/2007-09-04_rudy_giuliani_talks_hurricane_emergency_.html
Correct link inside
Click below
Interesting link inside
http://www.cnbc.com/id/27012038
Debunked? see inside for link
Associated Press, 10/15/08. Click link below.
Link for transcript inside....sm
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/01/transcript-rush-limbaughs-address-cpac/
another viewpoint - link inside
Seeing as truthout.org is very liberal of course they will get the worst of the worst to render their viewpoint. If you go to a more conservative site you will get a different feel of how the soldiers really feel. My best friends husband and son are both over there and they say the military are still proud to serve and encourage all of us to support them and find the good in what they are doing. I found this article from a woman soldier who was in Afghanistan and lost both her legs. She states in the article...
"My whole heart was into what I was doing. I love my people. I love my unit. I just love my job, and I'd go back and do it in a heartbeat."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15038708
Hmmmmm, interesting. Also see link inside
It's quite long but worth reading. How many high-profile conservatives with ties to Reagan and Bush 1 have to jump ship for something meaningful to happen? javascript:editor_insertHTML('text',' ');
http://www.dallasobserver.com/Issues/2006-02-16/news/feature_full.html
Actually, that was from June 25, 2004...link inside.
http://www.dccc.org/stakeholder/archives/000497.html
This is just as scary as the little kids. Link inside. sm
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=LSvBCBnulLs
They say the way to a nation is through the children.
Hitler was a pro at it. Does the name "Brown Shirts" and Hitler Youth Squads mean anything? Maybe not to the young people out there who think that Obamarama walks on water. But Hitler was ahead of his time when it came to keeping people in line. He got kids to turn in their parents, other family members, friends...all so that the "Great Aryan Race" could come to fruition.
Every dictator throughout history has used the children to get to the adults. What adult would not lay down his life for a child?
Would Obama lay down his life for a child? I don't think so. Witness BAIPA.
his plan for healthcare - see link inside -
http://www.govcentral.com/news/2275-obama-vs-mccain-health-care-plan-overview
This was on my MSN alerts this morning. See link inside.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27430997
And I have to agree....if this were am effigy of Obama and Biden??? Those two guys would be hauled off to the darkest dungeons of wherever there are still dungeons, never to be heard from again. Tongue in cheek, but still true.
See link inside for his website - read for yourself sm
http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/
You believe there is a hidden "reptilian invasion / agenda"?? Really? and those of us who don't see it are the deluded ones?
For an easier breakdown, please see link inside .....sm
This site has a very good breakdown of each category that concerns all of us:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28661839
Director's blog at the CBO link inside
http://cboblog.cbo.gov/
Thanks for posting this. It is interesting...link inside for those interested.
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/buckner_tripoli.html
Pure entertainment (or possibly not) see link inside...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,415441,00.html
See inside for link....McCain saw this coming in 2005...
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-88137
THIS is the guy I want in the White House during these bad financial times. Obviously he knows enough about the economy and outfits like this to see problems coming.
Obama has already said he is in favor of draft - see link inside
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/obam-s13_prn.shtml
Report clears Palin - link inside
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D947PVBG0&show_article=1
Link for the stimulus plan inside - updates...
daily:
http://readthestimulus.org/
Washington Times estimates at least $250,000 (link inside)
...based on the fact that it cost $250,000 for just a few hours of joyriding around New York in that "photo op" scandal a couple of weeks ago that scared everyone in downtown NY, the Times guesses it cost more than that for this little jaunt.
Yet again we see that the Smooth One is quite tone deaf politically (in addition to the photo flight noted above, recall the ridiculous cheap gifts given to the British PM and the Queen, the last-minute choice of a church for Easter after not attending previously, golfing on Memorial Day while excluding the press to avoid the bad publicity photos that would have resulted, etc...). Now it's reported that they've forbidden anyone in the White House to talk to Bob Woodward, who's writing a book about the Obama presidency - and it makes them nervous for some reason.
There's only one question left in my mind, and that's whether we'll wake up to this goshawful horse's petoot by 2012 and dump him and his Teleprompter in the nearest landfill where they belong.
Offers $150 bounty for their severed foreleg. See link inside:
https://secure.defenders.org/site/Donation2?idb=0&df_id=1547&1547.donation=form1&s_src=6KY09WDC4F&s_subsrc=6KY09WDC4F_EK09Z08D_adsense&JServSessionIdr001=szcus3tjo1.app23a
If his tax plan scares you, check out his Global Poverty Act. Link inside.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405
Hi, Your llink did not show up, only 'page not found.' so I post my link inside...sm
NewsWorld newsIran
Tehran braces for crackdown as protesters vow to defy KhameneiSupreme leader warns Mousavi supporters against bloodshed
guardian.co.uk, Friday 19 June 2009
Iran's opposition faces a critical test of resolve and the country an uncertain future tomorrow after the Islamic regime's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a blunt warning to those involved in mass protests over last week's "stolen" presidential election that they would "bear the responsibility" for any bloodshed.
Khamenei rejected accusations of fraud in the poll, confirmed the incumbent, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, as the winner, and gave no ground to the millions of Iranians demanding their votes back.
Mir Hossein Mousavi, who claims he beat Ahmadinejad in the race, was said by an ally to have no plans for unauthorised rallies tomorrow following the warning, but supporters vowed to go on protesting.
Fears grew tonight of an intensifying crackdown on media and opposition activists. Students at the fine arts faculty of Tehran University – where scores of students were injured and some reported killed after raids by security forces earlier this week – announced an indefinite sit-in starting tomorrow.
Khamenei's closely watched speech at prayers at Tehran University could hardly have been tougher. It had been hoped he might adopt a more conciliatory tone that would help defuse the gathering crisis, the worst in Iran's 30-year post-revolutionary history. But he warned: "If there is any bloodshed, the leaders of the protests will be held directly responsible. The result of the election comes from the ballot box, not from the street. Today the Iranian nation needs calm."
Tens of thousands of worshippers cheered as he told them: "It is your victory. They cannot manipulate it."
Mousavi, a moderate former prime minister whose "green" movement scared the regime with the support it was attracting, ignored a call to attend the prayer meeting and now faces a dilemma over his next step. Ignoring Khamenei's message risks bloodshed on a far larger scale than the eight people killed last week. Accepting it means surrender to the regime.
The reformist cleric Mehdi Karroubi, another candidate for the presidency, added to the pressure tonight by also calling for the election to be annulled. "Accept the Iranian nation's will by cancelling the vote and guarantee the establishment's survival," he urged.
Khamenei attacked opponents at home but also lambasted Iran's enemies abroad in hardline remarks that bode ill for any opening to the US, where Barack Obama is seeking talks to tackle worries over Iran's nuclear ambitions.
Britain was attacked as "the most evil", but the US, Israel and "Zionist-controlled" media were also abused, as was Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state. "The enemies are targeting the Islamic establishment's legitimacy by questioning the election and its authenticity before and after [the vote]," said Khamenei.
The speech underlined the sense of profound crisis, since the supreme leader usually only speaks in public at the end of Ramadan and on the anniversary of the 1979 revolution.
Analysts and commentators were dismayed by its implications. Sadegh Saba, chief analyst for BBC Persian TV, said: "Mousavi wants the protests to continue but Khamenei is saying if they do there might be bloodshed – and it will be on your hands."
Issa Saharkhiz, a Tehran-based pro-reformist commentator, said Khamenei's speech had transformed the crisis from a conflict over the election result into a trial of his own political authority, which was now being openly questioned. "Now the issue is that the supreme leader's sense of justice, management and competence is under question," he told Deutsche Welle. "The leadership of the country cannot be left in the hands of such a person, who for the sake of preserving himself and his own power, threatens people with mass murder."
Crucially, Khamenei ruled out any cheating in the election, apparently dashing hopes that a partial recount ordered by the guardian council, a supervisory body of senior clerics, will mitigate the crisis.
Khamenei's call for Mousavi and Karroubi to confine their protests to legal avenues prompted mockery. "This means that Imam Hossein [the third most revered figure in Shia Islam], instead of making a last stand at Karbala, [should have] pursued his grievances through the legal process," one blogger said on the Farsi blogsite Balatarin.
Balatarin was flooded with messages voicing outrage at Khamenei's warning that opposition leaders would be held responsible for further unrest and bloodshed. One correspondent wrote: "Mr Khamenei, the direct responsibility for any damage to people's lives or property from now on lies with you."
In Washington, the House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly to condemn Tehran's crackdown on demonstrators. It was the strongest message yet to Iran.
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