I have looked at "my" guy
Posted By: gourdpainter on 2008-11-03
In Reply to: Obama has been on both sides of NAFTA.... - sam
and I've looked at McCain. I wouldn't vote for McCain if you paid me. Did you not HEAR him say he's the biggest free trader ever?
<groan" only 1 more day.
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to make myself extremely clear, it looked as if the baby was unconscious, was limp and looked to be
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You really don't know who "my campain" is
and you are only assuming from some of my posts that I am a Democrat. One would assume by your posts that you are a Republican but you have claimed ad nauseum that you are an independent. I'm not a dem actually, but a pub. But, I don't believe all the garbage the pubs are putting forth.
I also don't hear McCain say much about what the GOP is doing, or trying to do in Michigan and a few other states about voter suppression to people who are in or have undergone foreclosure. That is disgusting to me too.
Okay "my friends"
Signed Joe the (not) Plumber.
He's not "my boy". I only catch him
a couple times a week early in the morning if I can't sleep.
I don't have stocks or bonds, so it's really a moot point. I just need some laughs once in a while over how upset he gets over some things.
Has nothing to do with "humoring you" or "my" definitions.
It's important for you to discover the complexities for yourself (Google is all you need), and "my" definitions don't matter unless I am the one doing the analysis.
But I'll start the ball rolling.
1. "Prenatal care" starting at what point in the gestation (1st trimester? 2nd? etc.)?
2. Involving what different features or services?
3. Does the study adequately filter out other coincidental factors that tend to characterize some populations that do not receive prenatal care, but which also might impact infant survival, such as poor nutrition, smoking, alcohol and drug use, squalid living conditions and even low educational levels?
4. What time period after delivery will be used to define a relevant "infant death"?
5. What causes of infant demise will be considered relevant to the question?
6. Will all "modes" of delivery be included?
7. Will "high-risk" pregnancies be included or excluded?
8. Will premature deliveries be included or excluded?
The list of problems that have been identified in the design of studies that look very scientific and conclusive, and have been published in respected journals, has proven to be considerable.
Some have tried to get around these problems using a technique called "meta-analysis", which tries to reconcile and synthesize the findings from multiple studies, but this hasn't been very successful either.
The problems worsen when you simply use empirical evidence - say, by comparing birth/mortality rates in different countries with different "levels" of prenatal care. One study "showed" that the mortality rate in the US was higher than that in one of the Baltic states (I've forgotten now which one), but failed to take into account that in the US we try to deliver and save infants who are much more premature than they try to salvage in the other country - so naturally, our "failure" rate would look worse.
The other problem is really more or less endemic. "Prenatal care", however defined, will represent some set of services and characteristics. We may assume that all of them do not contribute equally (and some, perhaps not at all) to infant survival. This means that even if you can resolve all of the study design problems and show that prenatal care contributes to survival, you haven't said very much that's useful. It might be, for instance, that a simple regimen of multiple vitamins has as much impact on survival as all of the other factors combined. If so, have we presented a case for purchasing "prenatal care" as a constellation of services (from the standpoint of healthcare economics), or should we focus on finding ways to see that pregnant women get the multiple vitamins?
When we see "studies" of complex issues - especially those involving an interplay between myriad scientific and social or cultural factors - we should always put on the brakes and find out more about how the study was done, what assumptions it made, and keep a sharp eye out for flaws in the design of the study (which, I am sad to say, crop up more frequently than you might suspect), even or perhaps especially in the field of medicine. People who study things do have agendas, and sometimes the agenda amounts to grants of $millions in research funds, or sponsorship of the study by an organization that has a "mission", etc. A lot of what masquerades as "scientific proof" in the field of medicine, unfortunately, is nothing of the sort. Let's see now - are eggs good for us or bad for us?
Make that "my analogy refers to
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That "my friends" phrase, so oft-repeated, made him
"my Muslim faith" -- oops meant Christian
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great quote "My personal opinion, we don't even have a candidate that I can support as the les
I agree with you 100%! Why doesn't a retired general run or someone who knows what he is doing. It's like all the real men have disappeared from politics.
Thx & Sorry.... I should have looked it up! :P
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Don't you think they would have looked into this?
 - Don't believe everything ya' read...
I did, too. I wish I never would have looked at this
FEMA coffins, too. I'm going to stop watching these now
Okay - I looked for it -
my curiosity got the best of me - I cannot find anything that says Obama lied about anything. Can you point me in the right direction? I am still trying to work and also get my new information for the day... Thank you!
You know, I looked and looked
and could not find the mistake they accused me of making. I am sure that I made such a mistake, but it must have been days ago. Not really sure why I care, either.
So, I just went and looked at that...(sm)
and here's the deal. O'Reilly made fun of the woman and called her a witch. SNL made fun of Palin. So, O'Reilly is making the case that if SNL can do it he can too. HELLO!!!! SNL is a COMEDY show. Fox is SUPPOSED to be news. That's the difference.
You know....I looked the other way
when Obama said that we aren't a Christian nation. I don't really agree with that given the number of Christians in this country and the fact that all of our money has In God We Trust on it....but whatever. I understood that he didn't want to tick off the secular part of our country because, as we know by the hate stated on this board, many non-believes truly hate believers.
However, when he said that we are a Muslim country.....I was like.....excuse me? We aren't a Christian nation but we are a Muslim country? Why couldn't he have just said that we are a country with many different religions and we have the freedom to practice whatever it is we choose or don't choose. I would have respected that a lot more than....we are not a Christian nation......we are a Muslim country.
I understand trying to make ties with Muslims who aren't extremists and want us dead, but to say something like that.....total BS. I just don't know what games our President is playing. You would even think that some of the atheists on this board who hate Christians would have a problem with Obama calling us a Muslim country too....but since Obama said it and some of them love Obama.....I'm sure they will, once again, give the big O a free pass as always.
he looked awful
He looked like something was wrong in the news video I saw..I did not state it was alcohol. I stated you never know cause something looked wrong..his face was hanging, his eyes were puffy, he was inattentive..definitely something was not right..Believe me, I do not wish this disease on anyone..I have seen what it can do..
Oh, you looked in the mirror, then?
Oh, don't stop now! Keep talking, keep the accusations rolling! Keep proving my point.
YOU have not looked at the facts.
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I looked at the article but I would like you to know
more abortions go on under a republican leadership than democratic. You probably will think this is not true, but just do the googling for yourself. Regardless of what is signed, regardless, women have for years and will continue to have abortions, whether he is president or someone else. There does not have to be any law at all for women to have these. I know because I was born back in the 40s and abortions illegal when I was a young teen but girls/women still had them. This is a radical based article you are looking at. I would take this article with a grain of salt.
I think those things will be looked at...
but the impetuous is on stimulating the economy RIGHT NOW. And, with the stimulus package as it stands..........it will not work. Tax cuts do not work. It's been proven over and over again.
If you looked really close to
Nancy Pelosi you would have seen the large brown on her nose. That is what that was all about. Look at me.....I'm Obama's right hand woman and I'm going to applaud and give a standing O for every little thing he says whether it is stupid or not. Woo hoo! Personally, I'm surprised the dems didn't do the wave or something. I wonder what kind of kool-aid they served last night. Hmm.
ROFL! I never looked at it from that...
point of view!
They looked more like devil worshipers to me.
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I looked at it....and I understand the feelings...
however, you know where I stand. I stand on the sides of the soldiers who said *yes, it is our right to do that, that does not mean we have to exercise it* and *I myself would not have done that.* I do not blame any of those soldiers for appearing, other than I believe, whether intentions are good or not, that they worsened their situation by emboldening the enemy. I see that that was not a question that was asked. If those soldiers had to answer that question truthfully, a whole different debate might be out there.
Again, I support their right to do whatever they think is best; I do not support their timing. The problem is that others also have to live with the consequences of their actions. We all have a lot of rights to do a lot of things...we simply choose where and when to exercise those rights...using discretion...and considering how our actions will affect others. I had a right to carry a sign in the park across from the White House while Clinton was in office saying the President of the US is an admitted albeit unindicted felon, but I did not exercise that right. That is basically what I am talking about. It is how you choose to exercise the right...not that you HAVE the right. And I don't think hiding behind *I have the right* always excuses the fallout from the exercising. But you knew we would not agree on this.
I also have a problem with a statement like *the majority of the country is against the war in Iraq,* and *the majority of the military is against the war in Iraq.*
When you look at the percentages on the polls they are very close. Without giving the actual percentages, it gives the impression of a much larger gap. And they quoted the Military Times poll for the other statement. The Military Times does not now nor has it ever represented the majority of the American Military, and there is a definite bias there. But I will stop on that subject now.
As to biased on the part of CBS...I believe CBS probably actively hunted for this story, and I expect those gentlemen were paid well for their appearances, though we will never know that, and it really does not matter in the grand scheme of things.
The last time I looked he was in Houston at...
the emergency management center. When did he go to New Orleans? Not being smart, hadn't heard that.
He said that is why he did not go last time...exactly what you just said. And now he goes, ...and you criticize him.
Serious question...why is that? Don't want to fight, just want to know.
I never said as an independent I looked objectively....
at both sides. I am an "independent" meaning independent of the major parties. You have to register as something to vote in this country and I chose Independent. As far as objective...none of us are objective. All of us have taken a stand on one side or the other. What I do is present the other side of things posted here on the Dem side. Instead of refuting the posts, generally I just get attacked. That is generally what happens when a point can't be refuted, so all that is left is to attack. It works itself out here nearly every day.
As to the "you can't have it both ways," that was originated by a Dem poster. I just turned it back to them and I will turn it back to you...you can't have it both ways.
Obama did well. He actually looked at McCain.
McCain wouild not look at Obama at all. He just looked at the camera and the commentator with his fake smile.
Anyone actually looked at the money Obama wants
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Nice try, not buying that. I have looked at both
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looked at her financial records lately?
she is definitely not a poor girl in my opinion. I think she could afford to buy her own clothes...
Wow! Markets looked like they were coming up right
before the election, but now that the election is over, it FELL 486.93 points today. What's up with that?
No. He looked very insecure. He is the leader of the
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I'm a "dem" and I am already "weeping," have you even looked into this whole.....sm
package, some of the ridiculous, overblown, superfluous spending on pet projects that will NOT create jobs OR stimulate the economy in the long-run, as most sane, thinking people want?? Stop the partisan insanity, when you talk along party lines like that you are basically treating Americans like me as though we have a LOBOTOMY just because we belong to a party...I can think for myself, I believe in most Democratic principles, I am trying to support my president, but I will tell you I am angry, and very, very worried about what my children and grandchilden are going to inherit....I am changing my affiliation to "independent", as I thought our nation was supposed to be, but will never be, because we will be mortgaged to China and several other nations. What a shame!
You mean in the brocade nightmare that looked like
my great grandmother's curtains or the hideous dress she wore to the balls that looked like cottonballs were sewn to it? I would not call her beautiful; handsome maybe, but not beautiful.
I saw a lot of pictures and to me it looked just like the convention,
Republican, all old and white. I saw no black faces in the crowd, just white. I think veiled attempt (at first) as an anti-Obama rally. Just talking with husband tonight. I am old and have never seen anything like what is being spouted now days, very dangerous situation for Obama, I think. Just heard man asking radio station today about concentration camps in America. What? Why is everyone running scared? What in the h. is going on? I think people are hysterical and the insanity has gone too far.
I do know what the original SS draft looked like....
A great great uncle of mine was a friend of Roosevelt and was a long-time military man. He finally retired and went back to the midwest when Roosevelt called him and asked him to please come back to Washington to draft a plan for SS.
We are fortunate to have this to see and I can guarantee you it had nothing to do with freeloaders and moochers but was to look out for the older crowd. Yes, they were taking into account the average lifespan of a man and then their windows, so she could have money to help feed their children if he died early. This was in part because of the stock market crash where so many lost their life's savings. It was never never meant to be what it has turned into. Wealthy older Americans were not to have this money JUST because they hit a certain age. If they had money, they were not to draw SS, only those with extreme need.
Unfortunately, over the decades government has turned SS into anything but its intended use.
The last time I looked we were NOT involved
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touchas -- looked up proper spelling nm
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Charlie Gibson looked down on her while talking. I
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I did post a solution at the top...looked good to me...
but if you reward the bad behavior that got us here, and leave the same foxes in charge of the henhouse with absolutely NO remorse for where they put this country...maybe you are ready to excuse them. I'm not. does not mean we can't move forward with a solution. But I am not cutting them any slack. Do I blame them? Yes I blame them. They nearly killed the economy and are about to cost me several billion dollars. You do whatever fits you best. I think SOMEONE in this should lose their job!!
I always thought he looked like Alfred E. Newman
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I always thought he looked like Alfred E. Newman
What, me worry?
I am NOT an O fan, but WOW!!! I wish my bare arms looked that good. nm
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I am an independent....neither party is "my" party.
THis election cycle I believe the best man is a Republican. Do your research. John McCain warned about this in 2005, named Fannie and freddie by name, co-sponsored legislation to control them. Blocked by Democrats, led by Chris Dodd..same guy now trying to fix what he and the Dems broke. Chris Dodd, #1 on contributions list from fannie/freddie, followed closely by #2, your shining knight Mr. Obama. The chickens have come home to roost all right...or should I say the donkeys. :)
No idea....looked like maybe a broken blood vessel?
It DID look bad.
Bush looked like a liar in that flight suit.
The democrats are into strobe lights and smoke machines and can conduct their convention any way they choose. Nobody asked for your approval. Go serve tea and crumpets next week in the Twin Cities but better remember a couple of air raid alarms to wake up the crowd when they start dozing through their lack of enthusiasm for the best they could do.
I've looked at Barack's voting record, though, and don't see that.
He talks change, sure, but I want to see evidence that he truly takes action toward change. And not just NOW, now that he's running for POTUS. I want to be able to look back and see a consistency and I just didn't see that with his voting record. Not saying McCain is the answer, either. I really can't back either right now, and as stated, I truly wish I felt differently. I'm quite apprehensive about the future of this country. I want my children to enjoy freedom and freedom as I knew it when I was a child no longer exists, so I am very fearful what their adult lives will be like. Someone has to change THAT, and I don't see much from Barack about that issue. Personal liberties need to be restored and upheld and politicians need to stop bowing to individual groups that claim to be working toward "the greater good" when their eyes are really on the prize, which is always money in their pockets. Is Barack going to stand up and do that for US citizens? I really don't know. Words are easy to say. Sure, we can vote again in 4 years if he doesn't live up to the hype, but will this country survive 4 more years with the wrong person at the helm? Again, not saying it's McCain either. I actually kinda feel like there's no good choice right now and we're doomed no matter what! Again, I know I'm not alone in this line of thinking because I've talked to many, many others who feel the same way that I do.
What a vile thing to say. He looked absolutely perfect to me!
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That looked like a juvenile high school posting
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she looked like the whack-a-mole character during that "speech" the other night..
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