I have another question...go figure..
Posted By: Just the big bad on 2008-11-06
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So, just today there have been posts saying that Obama is a Muslim. There have also been posts regarding Reverend Wright on this board. If it's against christian beliefs to be a Muslim, why would he have been accepted into a christian church? Which one are you guys going to stick with?
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How do you figure?
Don't see anything unraveling except more of W's disastrous economic fall-out. You must have been watchin Focks Noise non-stop replay of the guilt-by-association-to-nowhere mantra. Sooner or later, you are going to have to get over the election and move on.
How you figure that?
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Go figure.
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I'm still trying to figure out what
"voted in the decider..." means. Anyone got a clue?
trying to figure this out...
If not for the war in Iraq where we spent billions of dollars, and I don't mean to open another can of worms here, we wouldn't have to print or borrow money!
I know we don't want to digress, but please stop blaming the fact that we have to resort to these measures on the current adminstration.
You should be able to figure out the
...I'm sure you know JTBB as well as she knows herself.
Still trying to figure out what
you would have had him do....stand there folding it like a doofus folding towels in a laundromat? I dunno, seems that might have reduced the dramatic impact somehow. He had the knife in one hand, which would have made folding a tricky thing to accomplish. Seriously, not sure how else he could have handled the flag, given the situation. Maybe throw it over one shoulder like a toga? One would assume those who had improperly hung the flag might have been nearby, maybe a little P.O.'d over his cutting it down. When ''exigent circumstances'' exist, you get the flag down as efficiently as possible and worry about the frills later. Tell us all, exactly what would Amanda do?
My take, go figure, is completely different...
and I am an independent, not a Republican. First of all, he questioned her like she is running for President. She isn't. I would like Bill Clinton to have had this kind of questioning when he first ran for President having only been a governor. He would have done no better than she has, but the left would have sung his praises. Such is politics.
Politics aside, she did well. She avoided the traps he laid, and there were many.
As to avoiding answering questions and only hitting the talking points...did you watch the Obama-O'Reilly interview? Danced all around subjects and would not commit to anything. I don't hear any on the left complaining that he tried to evade questions and threw out talking points.
Keeping the money from the bridge to nowhere...states do that every day. Lobbyists for Alaska...earmarks. Joe Biden's son was a professional lobbyist until yesterday and he and dad did a great many deals while Dad has been in Congress (I guess they finally decided they really could not dump on lobbyists when they had them in the family). Obama has worked with lobbyists as well, has some on his advisory staff. And as far as earmarks...he got elected, Michelle Obama's hospital doubled her salary, and Obama earmarked a million plus for them. Who benefitted from that? Fact is, all politicians have done that. What you don't say here is what Palin explained very well...the earmarks they seek to stop are the crooked under the table ones, attaching huge earmarks to bills to get them passed that would not otherwise pass. The earmarks that were asked for by Alaska were by the Fish and Game Commission in Alaska. It is perfectly fine for states to request funds from Washington. Some get them, some don't. But the practice of adding "pork" to a bill just to get it passed is the WRONG practice and that is the one they seek to stop. She was very succint in explaining that. Guess you missed that part of the interview.
As far as abuse of power in troopergate...maybe we should wait for the results? And I STILL say, any "trooper" who tasered an 11-year-old for ANY reason SHOULD be fired.
There is nothing wrong with having the ceremony for sending off those troops on 9/11 to commemorate the day. I do not believe she did it for publicity. It is a very meaningful date for many of the soliders who are being deployed. I think that is a cheap shot at them as well as her, implying she does not care about them (one of whom is her son) and just wanted publicity. I think she has PLENTY of publicity without that.
As as for disparaging things said about someone in the primary season...most of the other democrats in the primary focused on Obama's inexperience. Hillary did. His now running mate did...if I recall, said "The Presidency does not lend itself to on-the-job experience." You can't have it both ways either.
I can't figure out why she finds
the word Salmonella offensive.
How do you figure that those with mortgages
Decreasing the mortgage payment by 30% would only lengthen the repayment terms. Mortgage holders wouldn't get anything out of it, but probably would end up paying more over the course of time due to interest.
What cracks me up is you asking "what's in it for me?" and then complaining about the greed of others. Hypocrits are everywhere.
Obama would figure some way to get
at least 8 syllables out of yes, 5 out of no!
How you figure? She WAS lying
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Did she think they wouldn't figure it out????
http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html
can mean either good or bad, you figure it out for yourself. nm
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Fake? How do YOU know? You cant even figure
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how to figure out which jobs are on their way out
Anything that requires a loan: houses, cars, trade schools, university of Phoenix type schools, shopping malls, vacations and travel, elective surgeries or cosmetic dental lasik surgeries, etc.
Jobs that will increase:
Anything that helps America:
Teachers, nurses, geologists, scientists, infrastructure, power grids, alternative energy, solar.
...and yet....he's still unqualified...go figure....
Unfortunately, they let young, uninformed people vote that know no better.....ah well....c'est LA vie
I don't think Freud himself could figure her out!!
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Which figure would you have us accept?
the 38% (average) disapproval, the 60% somewhat approval or the 34% strong approval ratings, all with that wide, wide +/- 14% margin of error? Don't see a whole lot of difference there. Like I said, 76% overall approval (CNN)...not too shabby after the week from he!!.
Reply to ok, Trying to figure this out...
... I know we don't want to digress, but please stop blaming the fact that we have to resort to these measures on the current administration
Here’s what a lot of us believe: We don't 'have' to print or borrow money to buy our way out of this mess. That is the thing most people will not acknowledge. The mortgage crisis and the housing ‘bubble’ were caused by government meddling with Fannie/Freddie loan standards. That sent the whole house of cards tumbling and the cascade of threatened failures that resulted. More government meddling will not fix this. You cannot shore up a house of cards. It's still cards. It should have been allowed to fall and be rebuilt, even if that meant starting from the ground up. Sucks to be us.
Foolish people who bought too much house for their means must be allowed to lose them. Bad companies have to be allowed to fail. Bad politicians with worse ideas also should to be allowed to fail; I'm doing my part not to get in their way.
I don't think anyone can name three things government does as efficiently and/or cheaply as private industry. Now government will part owners in AIG, banks, and other failing concerns. Now government wants to control health care? And all of this - plus much more - was put in an 1100-page document nobody who voted on it could even read?
Even though this is all mostly a done deal, I still cannot go along with the can't-we-all-get-along; wait-and-see crowd. Of course we’ll all just have to ‘sweat it out’ now, what choice? This is so reminiscent of the FDR New Deal 70 years ago that I cannot believe we have learned nothing from history. What am I saying? Of course I can believe it. We’re still idiots!
Tell me if any of this sounds familiar:
‘We seldom know six weeks in advance, what we are going to do.’ ‘It is common sense, to take a method and try it: if it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something.’ FDR
Some of the things he tried:
National Recovery Act (fixed prices and wages). Forced smaller companies out of business, since lower wages and prices where the only way they could compete with big companies.
A law in Washington, DC, mandating a minimum monthly wage for women (only), resulting in women losing their jobs to men who were willing to work for much less than that guaranteed wage.
Agricultural Adjustment Act (subsidized farms by taking acreage out of production and fixed prices). Designed to curb overproduction and support prices. In reality production rose because farmers used their cash subsidies to buy fertilizer, and they had taken their worst acreage out of production anyway. They switched to the crops whose prices were guaranteed, hence, even more overproduction.
Works Progress Administration (to provide employment and improve infrastructure). Turned into a giant political patronage system to reward supporters with ‘shovel-leaning’ jobs and to punish detractors. To get most such jobs, you had to declare your political party, ‘vote right’ and ‘tithe’ to the D party.
Emergency Relief Act (made available to governors to assist the needy in their states). Since it was supported by huge tax increases, it all but shut off voluntary charitable contributions that traditionally went to the needy.
Excise taxes arbitrarily levied on a few luxury items of the rich such as yachts, furs and jewelry, but also on cars, gasoline, radios, cosmetics, cameras, bank checks, long-distance phone calls and movie tickets used by lower-income groups.
Tariffs on imported goods, which caused other countries to retaliate by taxing or not buying our goods and damaged our export business.
Top income tax bracket for the too-rich (only) 79% and the IRS was used as a weapon to harass and punish the wealthy, as well as critics of New Deal policies. Roosevelt was incensed that the wealthy (though he was born to wealth) used tax loopholes such as charitable deductions and business losses to legally avoid taxes, so he instructed the IRS and Congress to close them. Meanwhile, FDR himself used such loopholes to deduct the value of materials he donated for his own future presidential library. He took business losses and farm losses on his personal tax returns.
Roosevelt was one of those silver-spoon guys, subsidized by someone else’s money (his mother’s) his entire life. He failed repeatedly in businesses financed by family money. He had a solid record of picking losers; he thought the airplane was a fad. He had a lackluster academic career. Never held a ‘real’ job. His only talents were his personality and charisma.
Yes, FDR inherited the beginnings of the Great Depression from Herbert Hoover in 1933, but Roosevelt’s repeated ‘try something’ efforts to fix it kept it going until World War II.
Any of this starting to sound familiar? We’ve been at this exact pivotal point before and we are blowing it again. Elected another snake oil salesman. Way to go.
I cannot figure what ever caused you to
have such deep hatred for Republicans, especially President Bush. It certainly isn't anything he ever did as president as your posts indicate that your hatred for him began at his first inauguration. I also get the feeling that you will never be able to let it go, as you constantly bring it up in almost every post you make. The major difference between you two that stands out is that he is a Christian and you are an atheist. He does not believe in abortion and you chose to have one. Maybe you have a guilt problem that you are trying to overcome before you can move on?
However, I can't see how you can use your hatred for Bush to justify Obama speaking to the French town hall meeting and, essentially, telling the world that America is not special to him and that Europe is the greatest nation. How can you say that is doing an awesome job?
And technically how do you figure that?
My husband is currently on active duty in Iraq, doing everything he can to stay alive to come home to his family. He is being shot at and has had suicide bombers attack his post twice. To him, and me, this is war, no doubt. And while yes you have the extremists there that want the US out, there are many more "every day people" who want them there and to stay because they know what will happen once the US pulls out. These people are extremely grateful to my husband and the other men/women of the military that are there for taking down Saddam Hussein and allowing them to live their lives more freely.
What is your media source for the 50/50 figure?
I can cite three sources right away that state that statistically this move is supported more than not by the Jews as well as major U.S. Jewish organizations.
Trying to figure this out. Religious dems....sm
give more than religious repubs, and nonreligious dems give less than nonreligious repubs. Do I have this right? It seems to me the religious dems give the most, yes?
From one post you figure someone is a neocon...
geez. Post a clip, so people can see the whole context of what was said. Then let them decide. After all the ripping of Sarah Palin, you seize on this? Walls shattering in your glass house there, friend.
This test actually did help me to figure some things out...
http://www.vajoe.com/candidate_calculator.html
I think there are other tests because this seems to be sponsored by the VA I think, but it is still great to determine issues. I scored only 22 percent with McCain, which I kind of figured anyway, but it helps me when so many people like to cloud the issues and confuse people, especially women.
I used to see that in the union when I was just a medical record clerk (which was a union job) and then went to transcription (nonunion job) - when the administration was trying to break the union they would always stir the women up with issues that were sort of minor, or confusing, and sit back and watch everyone fighting about such petty things, and meanwhile emotions would get so high people did not even know the issues anymore.
It was weird to watch, but they do the same thing where my partner works while they try continually to break the union - they use the women to do it - sad but true, and it almost works every time.
Right. We're just too stupid to figure out what
to our economy, mortgages, home values, 401Ks, lending institutions, banks, stock market, wages, disappearing jobs, retail prices, consumer confidence, blah, blah, blah. We all need your divine guidance on that one.
More double standards ...go figure (sm)
*when has government ever solved a problem.*
*They actually believe that is their government's job, to make all their laws and tell them how to live.*
How about remembering that you said this when it comes to abortion and same sex marriage.
See inside. I can't figure out what to title this. LOL
I just don't know a nice way to say this but those families that have babies they can't afford do so just to get on the welfare system. They certainly don't want that taken away from them. As long as they have babies, they won't have to work and live off the system.
What does Pelosi plan to do? Force everyone on birth control that have X amount of dollars per each child and state "You make $1 less than you're allowed to have this many children. Now you go on birth control."
Before you flame me, my husband's cousin did that. He was too lazy to work as was his wife...well, nah, she didn't have time to get a job. She was too busy having kids.
didn't take an education to figure out that one
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You're so "bright", you figure it out....
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It's a figure of speech..., not spin. I was always referring only to.
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I figure I have been on the Public Enemy List...
for years. I started becoming very involved during the Viet Nam War, the civil rights movement, the ERA, all those things of the 70s. I have been arrested 3 times (and proud of it) for unlawful assembly, marching without a parade permit (someone was really fine combing there), and sitting in at a government building. These were all en masse arrests but I am sure I have an FBI file. I also was active in AIM back in the day, American Indian Movement and now am involved with Free Leonard Peltier, so I know I am wired, tapped, followed, whatever it is they do to dissidents like me. I also was at a Friends Community House meeting here in Florida where protestors of the present debacle gather. One of these meetings was tapped; made national news. I will go to Harry's site and sign anything they ask me to. I sign petitions all the time from MoveOn, Not In Our Name, Women in Black, Amnesty International...so I really don't care about that part. I used to think I would just wait until it is finally over, the Bush administration that is, but now I am beginning to think this world may not make it until November 2008. A melt-down is coming, take your pick, global warming or nuclear warfare, I tend to think the nuclear will be first. If we nuke Iran, the rest of all hell will break loose and America wil be responsible for too numerous to count deaths worldwide. If anyone thinks that guy in Iran and his compatriots will take that sitting down, they are as dumb as dirt. We knew from the beginning that Iraq would turn out just exactly as it has, and Iran will do the same, only bigger and badder. The times, they are a-changin'.
Ron Paul.....I'll let you figure out the rest
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The polls poll mostly democrats...go figure...
You missed the point - go figure (see message)
The point was that a President must pass a background check with the FBI - has nothing to do with applying to work for the FBI. He can't pass a basic background check (oh yeah, I feel real safe with him that close to the "launch" button).
So, he can't pass a background check and he is not American born and he's getting a free pass...go ahead make him president. Maybe his cabinet people will be Ahmandinejab, Mohammar Kadafi, Castro, Kim Jong iL, etc. Plus the others he'll form back up with (Ayers & Wright) - after all it will be too late by then.
It doesn't take rocket science to figure out....
the crap you are posting is just that, crap.
Do you mean because we can figure on 500% cost overruns on all these projects? sm
I use the interstate. After all, I have to visit my vast real estate holdings scattered hither and thither around the state. Us wealthy folks are like that.
Now, I just checked with my chauffeur as to his opinion. "Wigweevil", I said. "Wigweevil, tell me. How is the state of the interstate in your opinion? And take off that cap while you're inside the mansion!"
"Sire", said Wigweevil (he pretends he lives in feudal England). "Sire, what do you mean by the state of the interstate?"
"Well, you know, Wigweevil. That road thingie that runs from one village to the next. Is the concrete, or mortar or whatever you call it. Is it all there? No yawning caverns? And the bridges - not too wobbly, I trust?"
"No, sire. The asphalt or macadam is entirely intact and the bridges seem trustworthy."
"I see, Wigweevil. That greatly relieves my mind. How about animals? No vast herds of buffalo wandering about on the asphalt or macadam? No dodging around charging rhinocerussusses? Everything in order along those lines?"
"Quite, sire."
"Very good, Wigweevil. Well, I am hearing that the interstate is becoming a veritable wilderness, so I want you to put the elephant gun in the car against the eventuality of rhinocerusseses in the future. And you might throw my water wings in the trunk in case a bridge collapses and throws us into the drink. That is all, Wigweevil."
"Very good, sire."
So long as Palin is a political figure...(sm)
she is a valid topic of discussion on the political board. Maybe you should refer to the post above by the moderator. Did you notice the snide remark above about Obama's aunt under the topic of immigration? Where was your sense of indignation about that? Maybe that's different? Hmmmm......
Get over it and quit whining. You're embarrasing yourself.
The only clear posts are the Bush bashes. Go figure. nm
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gee, one-sided U.S. news coverage...go figure....it's how Obama
I was called a racist because I wanted Obama! go figure
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Figure 2 billion a week for 5, going on 6, years on an illadvised war,
700 billion a year on foreign oil, robberbarons in Iraq, Blackwater, Halliburton, on and on and on. That's where your money went, folks. And the average man will have to fend for himself for the necessities of life; food, clothing, shelter, life itself. This is the mess we are in, and we can only blame ourselves for not speaking out. We had a gov't at one time that was for the people, by the people. It's gone, folks, and we let it slip away.
Levi Johnson is not a political figure - take it to the gab board
He is not a political figure and neither is Bristol.
When you don't get your own way or can't argue with anything, you claim others are whining. Typical and embarrassing on your part. You have nothing to argue with to my other post so you say I'm whining????? I'd laugh if it wasn't so pathetic.
This topic is not about Sarah Palin or what she is doing in her job as Governor. It has nothing to do with the state of Alaska, and last I knew she and McCain lost, so you can't be whining about what they are doing on the campaign trail.
Oh here's a news flash for you since you don't know this yet. The elections are over. They ended on 11/04/08. Obama/Biden won and McCain/Palin lost - just so you'll know.
Let me repeat once again...
Levi Johnson...not in politics or a political figure...
Bristol Palin...not in politics or a political figure.
Please take the juvenile remarks about how happy you are that people are suffering to the gab board, and leave this board for valid political discussions. Actually I think you might have more fun on funsites.com/ki-teen or facebook. They have the age group there for this kind of discussion.
Get a grip!
I guess they figure if Bush doesn't play by the rules,
they don't have to, either. No big surprise here. They want to take over everything, just as Bush does: With Bush, it's the world. With them, it's this message board. I agree with you, though. They should stay on their own board, as the moderator has requested. 
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's wrong with the economy.
This was on the yahoo home page about layoffs at Dell in Austin.
"...Everyone in the room was fired, their jobs shipped overseas."
WHY is this happening? Why is our dear leader not cracking the whip on this BS? What happened to "Yes we can" or did that mean yes we can ship your job to Timbuktu (Mumbai) and there ain't a dern thing you can do about it?
Disgusting is the only word for it.
As an aside, DO NOT BUY DELL.
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