I gotta agree with you here....

• lets see her - BDAyes
  • What I have been reading from a couple diff. - Sharon.
    • She was in Wisconsin today, - Backwards typist
      • did she take any - BDAyes
        • Don't know. It was just a 1 minute report on the news (nm) - Backwards typist
    • yes! I knew it! - BDAyes
      • Hmmmm..... - ms
        • Ah, correct me if I am wrong, but Obama...sm - oldtimer
          • don'forget civil rights lawyer - Roque
        • Would rather hear a few ers and uhs - followed by thoughtful brilliance than...sm
        • see message - BDAyes
      • hold on to your hats - BDAyes
  • Nice to see some reinforcements - show up. It's been a long morning. nm
  • I gotta agree with you here.... - ms

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....what happens if millions of us default on our mortgates?  Will the lenders foreclose on all of us?  Foreclosure is a lengthy and expensive process, potentially ending in an eviction of you refuse to go quietly.  What  will they then do with all the houses and nobody to buy them?  We all know how quickly vacant buildings deteriorate. Will we have suburban ghost towns? 

Same with car payments.  If we have mass defaults on car loans, how with the lenders handle all the repo's that will generate?  What will they do with millions of repossessed cars?

What happens if millions of us can't pay our taxes?  Doesn't have to be a formal tax strike.  A lot of us who are ICs don't have taxes withheld.  What if the self-employed cannot afford to send the quarterly payments?  How many audits and prosecutions can the IRS handle?  What  will they do with those who are convicted of tax evasion?  Will they have to let thousands of murderers and rapists out of the overcrowded prisons in order to put us in, to send a message?  Will they be fighting with the banks over who gets first dibs on any assets left over after the house, the car and the big-screen TV are taken? 

grow a humor gland.  In many people, this is located next to the smart gland.)

...wasting our breath on these people.  When journalists give one another awards for agreeing with each other, is that really the measure of journalistic integrity?  Or just one hand washing the other?  That a conservative journalist occasionally gets such an award is probably just to avoid the perception that the liberals are rigging the game. 

'Killing our boys was aggression.'   I guess you're just supposed to pay them the money and let them keep pirating.  Nobody was ever supposed to fight back. 

And, as they have threatened to 'deal harshly' with any US or French sailors they capture in the future, is there any reason why now we should not simply hunt down and blast each and every one of them out of the water?  None that I can think of.  I think they just declared war on us. 

He questions "whether encouraging homemakers to become lawyers contributes to the common good," and then he turns around and marries a LAWYER!

This isn't surprising to me at all.  Bush's is doing nothing but taking us backwards in time, whether it regards science or civil rights.  The only area that is moving forward by leaps and bounds and progressing at an alarming rate is the price of gasoline.

for picking an appropriate name for herself.

would you have been as angry and demanding that the will of the people be ignored if McCain had won the election?

And where is your outrage over Bush's complete lack of regard and respect for the Constitution over the last eight years?

This whole thing about Obama is ridiculous.  If it were true, don't you think the Republicans would have had a field day with that as an issue?

This is the highest office in the land.  Of course, Obama was vetted and found to be eligible to hold that office.

This is getting ridiculous.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iVg2jiaBA1jwVfCdsisXI0FbZD0AD965BKCG0

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29030191/

the Supreme Court's decision on eminent domain, either, and I also hope that guy buys Souter's property and turns it into a hotel.  I love the name of the restaurant he wants to build in the hotel: Just Desserts.  (I can't remember which TV show I saw that on because, contrary to those on these boards who already have me figured out, I DON'T only watch MSNBC.  I actually flip back and forth between MSNBC and Fox.  I'm sure it was one one of those stations, though.)

And I totally agree with a woman's right to choose.

I do have a problem with partial birth abortions, based on my limited understanding of it, which is what I've heard the conservatives say about a full or nearly full-term baby being basically born and then "beaten to death" by the doctor.  (From what I've discovered from some conservatives on these boards in the past few days, I take everything they say with a grain of salt and accept the possibility up front that it's an exaggerated statement devoid of critical facts.)

But if this is indeed true, then I don't know how it could be considered anything BUT murder.  And I don't understand the issue regarding the health of the mother because if the mother can survive the delivery of a baby that can survive outside the womb, then the issue would seem nonexistent. (Again, I don't know that much about it.)

I also have mixed feelings about children and abortion.  One the one hand, it is a surgical procedure, and if my child can't even have her ears pierced without my consent, then certainly she shouldn't be allowed to have a surgical procedure without my consent.

But what about if she's been impregnated as the result of a rape by her father or other family member?  That sick stuff DOES happen in this country.  What if she knows she wants an abortion?  Should she be forced to have the baby?  I can think of situations where she might be safer if the parents didn't know, but yet I still feel the parents have a right to know.  I'm very conflicted about this particular issue and can't say I have a definite opinion.  That's why I'd like to hear more on the subject from some intelligent, thoughtful, nonjudgmental people.

As far as gay marriages, I admit I get a little "twinge" at the use of the word "marriage." It might be that something deep in my gut is telling me that marriage SHOULD be between a man and a woman.  After all, WE invented it and WE wrecked it.  I think they should invent a new name for their unions because from what I've personally seen, gay couples seem to last for a very long time, much longer than some marriages I know. As far as whether or not they should have rights, why SHOULDN'T they?  I don't recall a day during puberty when I woke up and made the decision that I was going to be straight.  Likewise, I'm willing to bet that no gay person woke up and decided to be gay.  I just don't understand why people are so threatened by the thought that a group might actually have RIGHTS in this country.  As with abortion or stem cell research, etc., if they don't believe in it, they shouldn't PARTICIPATE IN IT. I'm neither pro-gay or anti-gay.  (A quick look in the mirror, though, reminds me that I'm definitely pro-gray. )

With all of these social issues, as you said, we will "stand in judgment with our maker."  That's between us and our own personal God, and those with different religious/spiritual beliefs have no right to shove their beliefs down our throat.

I saw a post on the other board referring to when the U.S. was founded, saying that the vast majority was Christian but that others were given "the freedom to others not to believe..."  

NOBODY can "give" anyone "freedom" to either believe or not to believe, and the fact that this poster thinks they can is either very stupid or very scary, and I'm not exactly sure which it is. I think this is relevant because I believe there are some conservatives out there who don't only want the law to reflect their specific narrow brand of religion, but they would LOVE to be able to control what people think and believe.

Knowing that Bush is going to appoint one (maybe two before the end of the year) new Supreme Court Justice(s) scares me because, as you said, our rights are being slowly taken away, and this man has proven by his own actions that the personal freedoms of others aren't things that he cares for much, especially freedom of speech and ideas. That's why he banned anyone who didn't agree 100% with his views from all of his "open town hall" meetings.

We also have an evangelical Senator who holds a public meeting in a search and says that liberals aren't people of faith.

First, it's freedom of speech.  Next, it will be freedom of religion.  What about freedom of "thought." 

I wonder what their views on stem cell research would be if it was discovered that stem cell research held the key to developing a new technique to control thought processes of those who disagree with them.