I don't think you can talk about....(sm)
Posted By: Just the big bad on 2009-05-28
In Reply to: Doesn't make it right.......... sm - m
socially acceptable behavior without looking at the influences that set those standards. Christianity is what determined homosexuality to be unacceptable. It is the dominant factor in this debate as far as the US goes. The US generally accepted christianity as the norm some time ago in this country. In doing so it automatically put people in the sinner and non-sinner brackets. Homosexuals were obviously put into the sinning bracket. That is why they have been put in the closet. Not because "it's just not natural," but because it's a sin.
And that's where I have a problem with the whole thing. Since we are not a theocracy, religious concepts have no place in determining something as personal as marriage. For that matter, I also think it's absolutely absurd that govt weighs in on this issue. I think it's a personal choice, not for the church and not for the govt.
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Anyone willing to talk about something serious...
instead of talk radio or Gore's electrice bill. I am referring to Libby's trial, the firing of 8 judges, Pete Domineci, the unnecessary and ever rising numbers of dead - everywhere, 40 towns in Vermont calling for impeachment (of course this won't go anywhere but the gesture is telling), a pardon for Libby (and does he have to admit guilt to be pardoned which he has not done), the fact that Libby was the attorney to the much maligned Marc Rich who was pardoned by Clinton, which was also much maligned. Was Scooter as evil as Clinton for having defended him in his dealings with Iran and his tax evasion as Clinton was for pardoning him ?? If all this was just about infighting between the FBI and the administration and George Tenet, then why did Libby lie at all; wouldn't be important enough to lie about, IMHO. Throwing it out there.
You need to talk to someone who has
more knowledge about this than your average Joe. It is $250,000 per individual. Not couple, not family. Trust me, JM is going to have to get the money somewhere to offset this astronomical deficit. CHINA owns all of our securities!!!!! JM is not going after the rich for this money..........so where is he going to get it? We are headed for an all-out depression. We need to stockpile cash, food, basic necessities. If you are breaking even on your ranch - I clearly do not see where Obama's tax proposal is going to affect you. I do see more of the same screwing the entire country.
I only want to talk about what you are going to do to fix it. nm
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Pie in the sky talk
There is no way he can do that. We have a state representative who lives on our street. When he heard this, he said he nearly fell over and couldn't believe this guy was making that kind of promise to the AMerican people. He said there is NO WAY that will ever happen because he admitted the Senators have a very cushy healthcare plan we all pay dearly for but there will not be an affordable plan to get the same healthcare plan they get. He has misled or just downright lied about that one.
You darn right it won't be free and it WON'T be affordable. Obama knows the only ones who would be able to afford that are the ones that are very well off, the very rich he condemns. Well, news flash, they already have that kind of plan.
Just another tactic to get your vote because he knows healthcare is a big factor here.
What are you trying to talk about now?
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Is no one going to talk about this?
I think it is a legitimate concern. This is a site I found that kind of analyzes the Obama's tax returns. For the amount of money they make, they didn't really give that much to charity.
Shouldn't they practice what they preach?
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/03/obama-releases.html
I mean if you can explain this, please do. I just want to understand why he expects us to "be our brother's keeper" yet he doesn't seem to do much at all charity-wise.
Hey, you can't talk about HIM like that...LOL
You think we can talk to those who would rather
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OMG....talk about
nit picking. You people have no problem nit picking pubs, but if we dare to nit pick dems....we are called racist. Well....how about this......I think that woman is obnoxious and not even worthy to watch. I personally think Michael Steele is great and I'm glad he is the head of the RNC. He obviously is a black man and I think it is perfectly fine for him to use the term "bling-bling." What...because he is a pub the usual racial outcries don't apply? If someone attacked Obama for saying bling bling and using hip-hop as a reference to how his party is going to be....you all would bow down and kiss his feet. They bring up Michael Steele's catering business and a federal investigation.......what about Obama's buying of his house in Illinios with Rezko? That was okay according to liberals...just hide that tid bit and down play it and federally investigate a pub who isn't even the president. Appoint a tax evader to the head of the IRS and that is okay but federally investigate a pub over his sister's catering company. Such double standards!
OKAY!! Let's see what happens! Then we can talk about it. NM
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Wow, talk about creepy. sm
First of all, the above poster failed (I am sure it was a honest mistake) to say why I left the board. Context certainly means something. You remind me of the creep who was stalking me and was keeping a running tab of all my posts (much of what is posted above are not my posts). That's just weird. As far as serving, I was a military brat for a whole lot of years and I believe it is service. But of course, anything to label someone a liar. You are sad little people. I won't bother you anymore because obviously, your brain has limited capacity for anything except hatred, bitterness, and all that goes with it. Have a nice evening accomplishing nothing but your little hate party and bitterness regalia.
Talk about fireworks! LOL
If we continue down the path we're headed, it may as well be the end (but I'm old, so I figure I'm probably gonna die soon, anyway) 
Well, okay then. Talk about overreacting. sm
anyways, might want to lay off the Christian bashing. We all know the libs want to get rid of Christianity but I think they are trying to keep it a secret. Shhhhhhhhhhhh.....
Why you talk strange?
I do not get.
Me need new insult, yes.
Talk about a disconnect.
What does he care? He earns $212,000. Let's not let the facts stand in the way of his salary.
http://clerk.house.gov/members/memFAQ.html#salary
Do you talk about anything on this board besides
Ann Coulter and conspiracy theories. I mean wake up people! North Korea is firing off missles, there's some important legislation coming up, the supreme court just made an astounding judgment on Gitmo, and you guys are posting Pink songs. Get with the program. Have some debate here! No wonder I can scan down the page and see the same people over and over. You'll never get new blood like this.
I didn't say you did talk that way.
It was simply an exaggerated example to make a point about the subjectiveness of deciding what constitutes an observation versus an insult. I think that was obvious to most people. Regarding your snide observation, no I do not talk like that. As I said it was an example.
Perhaps your other boards do not have such a marked slant. And shall I make an observation on the tedious repetition that is found in your milieu's absolutely ENDLESS recitation of the evils of liberals, just to mention a few? ONe doesn't even need to read the content of the posts, merely scan the subject lines and the repetition is obvious.
Talk about twisting....
You said:
There are things that the poster felt needed to be said, and you see, this is a liberal board.
As it has been said ad nauseam, anyone can post on this board. Liberals post on the conservative board as well. I must have been absent the day you were named moderator.
You said:
You have a habit of mis-representing the facts, of twisting them to fit your agenda and your conscience.
On the basis of what, three posts, you say I have a habit of misrepresenting the facts and twisting them to fit my agenda and m conscience. Pot calling the kettle black, I would say. You posted erroneous information, represented it as fact, and I called you on it. If anyone's conscience should be bothering them, that would be you.
You say most of the people of the U.S. were against slavery. At different points in history that may or may not have been true, there weren't a lot of nationwide polls back then. Could you share your facts? Just the facts, ma'am.
I again refer you to history. History is full of the people who opposed slavery. We are at war right now as a country but as it is perfectly clear, is it not, that the whole country is not behind the war.
The fact is though that slavery was perfectly legal for 100 years in this country. Try twisting that one. That's what I mean when I say this country condoned slavery. But I think that was obvious to most folks.
Because it is legal does not mean all the people in the country condone it. Abortion is legal in this country but I sure as heck do not condone it. That doesn't mean I bomb abortion clinics or stand outside them and ridicule the people using them. But I do not condone it, nor do many others. I follow the laws of the land but I do make sure with my vote and in other ways to work to see that law gone. And I think that is obvious to most folks as well.
Secondly, you say this was Congress's war just as much as Bush's. Well, we know that is not true either. It was Bush and his cronies that planned this war, probably even before 9/11. There was erroneous evidence presented to Congress that led them to okay military action.
I really am incredulous that there are still people who buy that nonsense. Erroneous evidence presented to Congress? The Senate Intelligence Committee had the very same information the Bush administration had. And if all those congresspeople are so ignorant they could be *fooled* into buying into lies (if there were any, which there is no proof there were) that led the country into war, then I would think, for the love of pete, that you would be equally as incensed at them. What proof do you have that Bush and his cronies planned anything? None, because there is none. As you said, just the FACTS, ma'am.
If your daughter came home from school and stated that the neighbor girl beat her up you would might believe the evidence. However, do you not change your course of action if it turns out the neighbor girl didn't do the actual damage? I am sorry, I do not grasp your analogy. If you are saying now that maybe Congress screwed up, and now they realized they screwed up, how many years into it, so now the thing to do is, after we committed ourselves to the Iraqis to just up and go, leave them dangling, just like we did in Viet Nam? Nothing noble about that. And make no mistake...if the war suddenly became popular they would fall all over themselves backpedaling again ahd saying *I did vote for it and I voted against it but now I am for it again...* yada yada. They are politicians.
I believe you twist and arrange the evidence so you don't feel guilty about this utter madness and endless slaughter we know as Iraq as you similarly defend the US government role in the slaughter of indigenous peoples.
There you go again. First, my friend, I do not feel guilty. I have nothing to feel guilty about. I support the American military and I certainly support the war on terrorism. I do not readily forget 3000 people dying. I will never forget watching those people jump out of that building to avoid being incinerated and for what? Simply because they were Americans. How easily you seem to blow that off.
And I did not defend the US government role in the slaughter of indigenous peoples. I did not defend slavery. Both were wrong. Abortion is wrong, but they happen every day, and they happen NOW. There is no longer slavery and there is no longer the slaugher of indigenous peoples. Why does it not bother you that it is legal to slaughter upwards or over a million babies unborn babies every year? Why don't you get involved to stop that?
My whole point is that the US is indeed a great and often noble and generous country. I really want it to stay that way though and powerful people have a way of corrupting the moral values that have sustained this country for so long.
Excuse me yet again...but that is exactly what I said. The moral values that the country was founded upon and have sustained and how far we have gotten from that. But I guess we are talking about two different sets of moral values. What set are you talking about?
The US has taken some pretty bad detours along the way but fortunately common sense and good character have generally won out in the long run. Complacency and acceptance of corrupt power is always a threat though and that's why we need to QUESTION always those that are in near-absolute power. I firmly believe that those who question are the MOST patriotic.
I never said questioning was unpatriotic. What is unpatriotic in my view and always will be is suggesting that any American soldier died in vain. What I think is unpatriotic is while we have men and women dying in combat, no matter who sent them there or for what reason, we owe them the respect to, if we cannot support their mission, to not go public with rampant criticism and for the love of everything Holy not to suggest publically that they are fighting and dying for nothing. Not only do I think that is unpatriotic, I think it is selfish and mean. Doesn't mean you or anyone else can't grouse about it friends in the privacy of a home, but to go public with it where friends, family and loved ones of soldiers who have died there, were injured there and continue to fight there can read it. I don't know why some people (not naming anyone in particular) cannot just hold all that in until the troops come home. Then if they want to dissect it, take it apart, malign it or whatever, our troops are home and no longer in harm's way.
It is rhetoric like you are repeating that Al Qaeda loves to hear, and their greatest propaganda tool. Playing right into their hands. And yes, giving that upper hand to the enemy is to me, yes, unpatriotic.
You talk about them like they are the enemy.
Tsk tsk tsk.
OMG! LOL --talk about desperation!
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There's also talk that she won't rule out - sm
going to war with Russia if they invade Georgia. Just what we need, to be fighting THREE wars simultaneously.
And of course, don't forget the possibilities in Pakistan or Korea.
Fun, fun, fun.
Maybe it's time to quit MT and start selling bomb shelters again.
your cult-like talk
proves my point. To believe that all media except Fox is biased and that they were forced to chose the LEAST biased is franky cult-talk He did not try to trick her. he asked her straight out "what do you thank about the Bush Doctrine?" This is the definine doctrine of the Bush years that will be remembered in history. She did not know it. If she where honest, she would have said "I am not familar with it." Instead, she squirmed in her seat, thrust out her chin and tried to bluff him into giving her a hint.
He had his glasses on the end of his nose because he is over 40 and wears reading glasses like most older men. You knew that. You are trying to distract from the point again.
You never have anything good to say about McCain. You are focused on your hatred for Obama and frankly, it is creepy.
Do....let us talk about some of these issues.
9/11/2001: We all talk about 9/11. How Pres. Bush should have known. We did lose a lot of lives that day. It was truly a sad day. However, what about the World Trade Center bombing back in ྙ when Clinton was the pres. That was by Islamic extremists. Or about the US Embassy bombings in ྞ....also while Bill was in office suspect to have been coordinated by Osama Bin Laden. Or the USS Cole incident in 2000 and once again Bill was in the White House and once again Osama was the suspect in the planning. All these terrorists acts but the one people shout out about the most in 9/11 and how Bush is to blame. Why? Because more lives were lost in this one than with the other ones. Weren't they all still terrorist attacks? If Clinton had stood up and done something during his term....maybe 9/11 would not have happened at all but yet the blame all falls upon Bush.
Katrina: Once again all Bush's faults and therefore all republicans faults. Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff was the "federal official with the power to mobilize a massive federal response to Hurricane Katrina, [and] could have ordered federal agencies into action without any request from state or local officials." "If you go back to August 27th," President Bush had already "declared a state of emergency in the state of Louisiana under Title V of the Stafford Act, ... Ergo, Katrina became an Incident of National Significance on August 27th -- two days before the storm. But Chertoff apparently didn't realize this and waited till a day after [on August 30th] to make the determination on his own, one that according to the flow chart had already been made." Honestly though, if you live in a place that is well below sea level and you hear a really bit storm is coming your way.....common sense.....you get the heck out of dodge.
Iraq war: The reason for the war was this: The military objectives of the invasion were; end the Hussein regime; eliminate weapons of mass destruction; eliminate Islamic terrorists; obtain intelligence on terrorist networks; distribute humanitarian aid; secure Iraq’s oil infrastructure; and assist in creating a representative government as a model for other Middle East nations
As for Wall Street: Firms such as Goldman Sachs and Lehman not only made billions of dollars packaging and selling these toxic loans, they also wagered with their own capital that the values of these investments would decline, further raising their profits. If any other industries engaged in such knowingly unscrupulous activities, there would be an immediate federal investigation.
At the same time, federal regulatory agencies such as the SEC stood idly by as Wall Street took advantage of the investment public during both the Internet and the housing bubbles. The SEC took almost no action against Wall Street after the dot-com implosion. And in the midst of the housing bubble, in 2006, only the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency pushed for any level of regulation to address subprime lending.
One has to wonder why Treasury secretaries under Presidents Clinton and Bush -- Robert Rubin and Hank Paulson, respectively -- took no action to curb these abuses. It certainly was not because they did not understand Wall Street's practices -- both are former chief executives of Goldman Sachs. And why has Congress been so silent? The Wall Street investment banking firms, their executives, their families and their political action committees contribute more to U.S. Senate and House campaigns than any other industry in America. By sprinkling some of its massive gains into the pockets of our elected officials, Wall Street bought itself protection from any tough government enforcement.
This is no doubt the same reason why so many members of Congress were consistently blocking attempts to reform and downsize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which are essentially giant, undercapitalized hedge funds. These two entities have been huge money machines for Democrats in both the House and the Senate, many of whom recently had the gall to ask why these companies hadn't been reformed in the past. Nor should several Republican congressmen and Senators who likewise contributed to watering down legislation aimed at reforming these institutions be let off the hook.
faux talk.
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faux talk
don't read em
The talk is that there is not a lot of time
to reschedule between now and the election. And if you cancel 1 that only leaves 2 Presidential debates and I guess you can't have just 2 because there might be a "tie" as to who wins them. I don't remember the exact thing that was said. The speculation was that since you can't have just 2 then you would have to cancel the VP debate, and what I came across said that that is exactly what McCain wanted. This isn't me saying that, this is just what I saw (can't remember where though). Also, I read that if they cancel the place they were having it (U. Miss?) will be out like $5 million dollars and it is not so easy just to reschedule on a different date.
Have you ever heard him talk about what he
thinks of what McCain did for the country when he was a captive? He does hold him in high regard to that respect, I should have clarified that. I have heard him, outside of his show, say what a hero he thought he was and he was being "Dave Letterman late show host".
You are so busy defending McCain all of the time, you can't see when someone is trying to be genuine.
THis is a time to ACT, not talk. I know...
"O" can talk. I would like to see him DO something.
Wow - talk about coincidence
DH & I watched this and they could be talking bout whats happening today.
Good clip - thanks for posting. Gotta go run to my window now :-)
They said instead of all the talk about it being a bipartisan
effort, it turned out to be a partisan effort (dems against pubs again).
Speaker Pelosi struck the tone of partisanship in this. Failure of Speaker Pelosi .... failure to listen, failure to lead.
94 dems voted NO!
They're going back to the drawing table.
Well, since you want to talk nitpicking....
If McCain had forgotten how many states were in his country, you would have been all over that and you know it. O lovers would have been saying it's his age, not he's dog-tired....poor man.
Hypocrit!
Like Yoda you do talk.
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Now see, is that kind of talk really necessary?
Seriously.
want to talk about unions?
the places i've seen around our area who have unions are pathetic. i've seen unions protect employees who come to work intoxicated, who don't come to work at all, who PLAY CARDS on work time, do what they want because their "union will protect" them. so if you are suggesting the union is American... that's pretty pathetic. if they were actually protect HARD WORKING AMERICANS, then i'd be fine with it.
you wanna talk about "jabs" at obama? i guess "a bunch of losers" would not be a jab?
don't talk politics with them.
I know, lets just talk about....(sm)
Obama's b/c. It's perfectly okay to try to discredit the guy who isn't even in office yet over a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors, but let's not talk about the guy who is in office now who has single-handedly brought this country to it's knees as well as destroyed all credibility of this country on a global scale. Again, Bush is still running new legislation through that will affect us for years to come unless it can be reversed. How about that new agreement with Afghanistan? Yeah, that would be the one that will directly impact our people over there -- not in a positive way. It sounds to me like you have a good case of *out of sight, out of mind.* That's a pity.
And the reason I don't really want to talk to you is (sm)
because you are ignorant and narrow-minded and frustrating to try to have a conversation with. You miss the point of what is being discussed. You are prejudiced and probably have been all your life and there is nothing I can do to change that, so why should I continue to waste my time with you?
Maybe Obama should talk to this guy
He's for no taxes.. Obama would NEVER agree to that.
http://parks4staterep.com/2008/10/24/a-tale-of-two-debates/#more-64
Talk about negativity
For those who say the Obama camp/supporters are never negative. This is outrageous. At least the McCain supporters don't have figures of Obama or Biden hanging.
http://cbs2.com/local/Sarah.Palin.mannequin.2.849299.html
Talk about spin.....
He is giving you a $5000 tax credit to help you buy the insurance you want that fits your family's needs (McCain). And it is not taxed to you. Go read about it other than listen to what Obama's campaign says. I went to Obama's site, that is where I learned about his plan, not from his opponent, from HIM. Tax the middle class my eye. Obama says even the small businesses will not pay more than they paid under reagan. Under reagan the top rate was 28%. Obama's top is 41%. Helloo?? Laugh all the way to the poorhouse, friend. Buy a case of that snake oil. You may need it.
lol.
Thank you. That's straight talk.
At least somebody is honest. If you Google something like that, you'd get all kinds of info that conflicts with the others. Nice of you to do this.
religion and all that talk sm
Gee, the way I handle it is every night I thank the god of my understanding for getting me and my family through the day and I tell him or her how I appreciate all I have and to ask forgiveness if I hurt anyone that day. I think things get a little out of hand with all this discussion of doom and gloom. I don't have the right to tell anyone else what to do or what to believe. The only thing I think my God might say about all this negativity is, "Don't make me have to come down there!" Loosen up and do your best each day. That's what I do for me and my family, why practice doom and gloom when we have a day right in front of us to do our best in. Just my humble opinion. I hate to instill "fear" in anyone. If you don't sin, you won't have to repent.
talk about being used and abused!
I didnt like Sarah Palin or McCain. I did vote for them as I saw them as a lesser of two evils as far as abortion goes. Anyways, where is McCain???? Sarah Palin is being torn apart in the media, by her own campaign and McCain has nothing to say? He is the one who asked her to run. Sure she wasnt a good choice, sure she had her issues but come on, now she is their scapegoat? How pathetic.
Let's talk about attacks....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeVBaM2lQsg
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28656#continueA
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/12/conn-paper-tired-attacking-palin-attacks-angry-town-wasilla-inst
http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/debunking-the-moonbat-attacks-against-palin-part-1/
There are plenty more, those are just a few.
obviously no one wants to talk to you on this subject.
There's no law against it
Don't you listen to him talk every day? sm
Try googling his speeches and press conferences of late, specifically that "it's going to get worse, before it gets better" type of thing. He is "warning" us daily of how bad things are and are to come, especially if we don't pass all his plans and policies ASAP.
It's all a ruse, to enact all his social programs under the guise of fear. We can pay the bill later, doncha know.
this talk is CREEPY
All this Sue Ann admiration and adoration is just sick, sick, sick and oh-so CREEPY. You act like she was Mary Mag or something. EEEEECCCCH. !!@@$%$%$$$%$%$
Could be worse. There is talk that...
California is actually going to give IOUs to state employees instead of paychecks. Now, that is rough! But you can bet that if the state employee owes taxes this year, they will not be permitted to send one in.
Can you say ACORN? talk about
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And you know this, how? Talk to the soldiers
We have several in our town who have been stationed down there and they will certainly tell you it scares the he!! out of them to see Obama is shutting Gitmo down. They personally have heard those incarcerated bragging about what has been done and laughing at the U.S. til the next attack when they heard Obama is closing it down.
Yea, why don't ya just feel sorry for all those poor guys down there, right up until the next attack!
More like YouTube talk...nm
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