I don't know the whole situation, so won't judge his decision nm

• Obama's grandmother and the media coverage - sm
  • I've always wondered the true family ties here - nm
  • Exactly my thoughts...... - not so easily fooled...........nm
    • You're overlooking a race more important than 2008 election. - Here's a hint....sm
      • You don't like the post, talk to the poster above - who posted it.............NM
        • BTDT. This is an equally offensive opportunity. - Stand by my original response to YP. nm
          • What really bothers you? The post or that someone - agreed with the post?
          • Whatever floats your boat - nm
  • In your rush to judgment, - did it every occur to you that....sm
    • I didn't rush my judgment, I have had - sm
      • As many of us have. So the scenario described in the OP - Would sound more plausible...sm
        • So you can't acknowledge there may have been - family considerations? Fine by me. nm
          • Family considerations? What, they're schedules - are too busy, too??
            • I meant their (I was wording it differently and then - edited) nm
        • I would feel the same about it either way. - nm
  • for 3 days he's been fixing to get there? - JoePlumberforPrez
    • This confirms our worst suspicions. Certain pubs factions - really are invaders from outer space...sm
  • I believe he did drop everything and go - gourdpainter
  • I don't know the whole situation, so won't judge his decision nm - nm
  • I agree with you. - Chele

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to reject a man who would guarantee that the election would be lost.  There is a lot at stake here.  I think that is a good example of him putting Country First, not his own personal preference, if indeed his preference was Lieberman.

This is my first post on the Politics board.  I'm struggling with my decision between voting D or R. 

I'm a registered Democrat and have been pro O'Bama 100%... until this past week when I read "They Must Be Stopped" by Brigitte Gabriel, founder of ACT! For America at www.actforamerica.org. 

First, I am in no way saying O'Bama is Muslim, I do not believe that, but I am concerned with his voting record regarding bills that would protect us here at home.    I'm middle class and believe me, I want to support the tax cuts and programs he is talking about... 

I do not understand why either side will not stand up and call the "War on Terror" what it really is.  I see the American traditions I grew up with disappearing and being replaced with "politically correct" traditions.  A supposedly holy book (Koran) calling for my death or to strip me of my rights as a woman.  On and on and on. 

I haven't seen anything mentioned about this issue and I am interested in how other women/men feel. 

I have tried to educate people about Obama and his christianity - the fact that he is NOT muslim, his health care plans - the fact that it is NOT universal healthcare he is proposing, his tax programs - the fact that he is NOT going to write a check to people who are not working... and it is NOT working.  They just do not want to believe.  And for the most part, it is not even the economy people are picking on him about now - everyone is still on this muslim crap, mad because he is getting his girls a dog, just nitpicking!  It is ridiculous.

I will no longer try to help people see the truth.  If they want to be miserable and think bad thoughts and harbor suspicion and hatred in their hearts, then it is their life and nobody can change those folks anyway.  I am sure it is not just the election that makes them mean and nasty - probably are that way in every aspect of their lives...

I myself choose to look on the bright side of things and the hope that this country is turning around and will be AMERICA THE GREAT once again!!!  The America that other countries envy and want to be!

And here comes the winter..Im sure Bush with all his power can find ways to help America through the winter with oil prices but..nah..he has to pay back his oil cronies..OMG, if we can influence countries to stop nuclear production we surely can influence companies to help us through the oil crisis.  The profits the oil companies are making is obscene..I have a friend who lives in Bakersfield, an oil town.  He and his wife divorced and she married the head of a major oil company in the Bakersfield region.  Not gonna say the name of the company but it is one of the biggest in America..He told me she lives in extreme luxury..I bet, especially in Bakersfield where prices are relatively low anyway..These oil barons are living high and we are, as my aunt used to say, *robbing peter to pay paul*.   Ummm.do I smell and feel a revolution arising..sure hope so.. 

The 9/11 commission criticizes his lack of a security plan pre-9/11(that's just barely 8 months after he enters office BTW).  Then he's criticized for doing wiretaps in the name of national security which the FISA act gave the authority to do.

Okay, then which one is it--he's not tough enough on National Security or he's too tough bordering on some perceived legal violation?

Wait a minute, I know your answer Well, it's both.  Sheesh...

And Tucker Carlson is hardly a liberal.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13459509/

But first to a story horrifying even by the coarsening standards of Iraq, the brutal murder and torture of two U.S. soldiers. 

Privates first class Kristian Menchaca and Thomas L. Tucker went missing Friday after an attack on a checkpoint they were manning south of Baghdad.  Their bodies were found on Monday night.  They were reportedly so badly mutilated they were tentatively identified by tattoos and scars.  The corpses were also booby-trapped, an apparent effort to kill recovery teams.

Al Qaeda‘s new leader in Iraq has claimed responsibility for the soldier‘s slaughter. 

In the face of brutality like this, is Iraq worth the cost in American lives?  Here to answer that question, Brad Blakeman.  He‘s the former deputy assistant to the president.  He joins us tonight from Washington. 

Brad, thanks for coming on.

BRAD BLAKEMAN, FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you, Tucker.

CARLSON:  So we have spent untold billions of dollars, 2,500 American soldiers killed, all in an effort to bring democracy and prosperity to Iraq.  In return, they torture and murder and mutilate our soldiers.  Remind me why this is a good bargain?

BLAKEMAN:  Well, Tucker, look, this is a tough thing, and our hearts go out to every soldier who has made the ultimate sacrifice so that we can live in freedom. 

But Iraq is worth fighting for.  The region is worth fighting for.  It‘s in our interest.  These terrible, brutal dictatorships must be brought down when they become a threat to our national security.  You know...

CARLSON:  OK.  But that‘s not the rationale the president has offered.  He has said now, because as you know, and not to rehash the whole war, but no weapons of mass destruction were found.  And he‘s said now this is worth doing because it‘s worth bringing freedom to the Iraqi people.  They yearn for freedom, and it‘s our duty to give them the freedom they yearn for. 

My question is how have they earned our sacrifice to bring them that freedom?  What about Iraq justifies the death—brutal deaths of American soldiers?  Why should we feel like it‘s worth it to bring these people democracy when they behave like animals like this?

BLAKEMAN:  We‘re focusing on the animals and not the good and decent people of Iraq.  The vast majority of Iraq is peaceful. 

CARLSON:  Is that right?  I don‘t think—I don‘t think there‘s any evidence of that.

BLAKEMAN:  There are 12 million people who went to—who went to the polls.  They have four successful elections.  They have a new government.  We tend only to focus on the very bad, on the insurgencies, and the evil people.  But the vast majority of Iraqis want to be free. 

You know, if we took your attitude...

CARLSON:  Is that true?  Is that true?

BLAKEMAN:  Hold on, Tucker.  If we took your attitude, we would have turned back at the beaches of Normandy when all those people...

CARLSON:  Spare me the tired, hackney, cliched World War II analogies.  Let‘s get to the war in progress, and that‘s Iraq.  There are decent people there.  I have been there.  I‘ve met decent people there.  I know firsthand. 

However, your claim that most people want peace is bosh as they say. 

Let me show you...

BLAKEMAN:  It is not.

CARLSON:  It certainly is.  A poll undertaken by the ministry of defense from Great Britain, part of the coalition, said 65 percent of Iraqi citizens support attacks on U.S. citizens. 

Our own polling, done by World Opinion, public opinion, 47 percent approve attacks on U.S. forces, 88 percent of Sunnis, 88 percent approve of attacks on U.S. forces. 

These are—are these—these are the people our sons and daughters are dying to make rich and free?  How does that work?

BLAKEMAN:  It is our responsibility.  We brought down this dictator, this evil dictator...

CARLSON:  How are we responsible?

BLAKEMAN:  ... who used weapons of mass destruction against his own people.  Now, it‘s our responsibility to bring democracy to these people.  We can‘t cut and run and defeat the dictator and then leave...

CARLSON:  Why is it our responsibility?  There are countries across the world who live in shackles.

BLAKEMAN:  We are the freest nation on earth.  That‘s why it‘s our responsibility.  We‘re the freest nation on earth.  We brought down the dictator, and now it‘s our responsibility...

CARLSON:  How does that work?  They have not done one thing for us.  Look—look, think of the implications of what you are saying.  I don‘t know if you have thought this through.

BLAKEMAN:  I‘ve thought it through very well.

CARLSON:  Nation after nation after nation, starting with Mugabe in Zimbabwe, moving all the way to communist—still communist, still unfree China, people who are living in fetters who are unfree, who are oppressed, is it our, as you put it, obligation as a free a nation to free those nations?  Do you really want to play this?

BLAKEMAN:  Is it—do you know what our obligation is?  It‘s to bring freedom to those people who yearn to be free.  And China has come a long way. 

CARLSON:  So it‘s your obligation to sent your son, my obligation...

(CROSSTALK)

CARLSON:  ... people I‘ve never met in countries that hate us?  You‘ve got to be kidding.  It‘s my obligation to do that?

BLAKEMAN:  Yes, it is our obligation.  Was it our obligation to go—was it our obligation. 

CARLSON:  Where does the obligation come from?  I didn‘t sign up for that obligation.

BLAKEMAN:  It‘s our obligation.  Was it our obligation to go—was it our obligation to go into Europe where we weren‘t attacked?  No, Europe let a dictator get so strong that collectively they couldn‘t take him down, and we had to come down. 

CARLSON:  We got in war when we were attacked.

BLAKEMAN:  We lost 400,000 Americans in that war.  We lost—a million people were wounded in that war.

CARLSON:  Right.  And there were...

BLAKEMAN:  But was it worth it?

CARLSON:  Let me just remind you, we entered that war on December 7, 1941, when our soil, the protectorate of Hawaii, was attacked by a foreign nation and thousands of Americans died.  We went to war on that day, and not before.  OK?  So the overall principle you are stating here, that we have a moral obligation to free the unfree, think it through, man.  It‘s... 

BLAKEMAN:  I didn‘t say that, Tucker.  I said when we took down the dictator, when we made an obligation to risk our soldiers to free a country, we just can‘t cut and run.  We have to establish a government for them.  We‘ve got to give them the opportunity to succeed.  That‘s our obligation.

CARLSON:  And you may be right as far as that goes.  But the blanket obligation that Bush implies, and you just stated, that we have to go free the world, to send our sons and daughters to go...

BLAKEMAN:  No, we don‘t have to free the world

CARLSON:  ... die for other people‘s freedom, people who hate us, it‘s a scary thing.

BLAKEMAN:  Well, then you know what?  Didn‘t the Japanese hate us? 

Didn‘t the Germans hate us?  Do they hate us today?

CARLSON:  They attacked us first.  We had no choice.

BLAKEMAN:  They‘re our allies.  They our allies, and they stand shoulder to shoulder with us.  Should we have waited to get attacked by the Iraqis?  No.

CARLSON:  You know, I thought—when I supported the war initially, I thought that they were capable of attacking us, and it turns out, as you know, and I‘m sad to report, that we weren‘t. 

BLAKEMAN:  They were pretty capable of attacking us if they wanted to. 

CARLSON:  Brad Blakeman, thanks a lot.

BLAKEMAN:  You are welcome. 

Governing bodies do their budgets on what the expected income will be at that time. Any time anything goes wrong, it throws a monkey wrench into their budgets, then everybody has to fork over extra money.

It's always the taxpayers who lose in the end, no matter what.

and that Obama has played a big part in it, exactly what are you talking about?  The economy was in the toilet before he got there, and yes, he's spending a lot of money, but that's in an attempt to try to stop (or at least slow) the progression of this economic downfall. 

As far as foreign affairs go, I think we're on better terms with just about everyone now. 

So I don't get what you're talking about.

ye also twitch, snort, flinch and giggle.

You came on to a political board and insulted the way everyone on here has behaved.  Would you teach your daughter to do that? I'm sorry. I am a very nice person too...I just think you were kind of asking for trouble by doing that.