I don't blame her for her opinion....didn't sound like a bash to me....sm
Posted By: sm on 2008-11-11
In Reply to: And managed to bash dems on the way out.... - Just the big bad
You, on the other hand, have turned into the biggest basher on the board lately. You must be proud.
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I didn't bash anyone...and I read them all
I think that you are unfairly bashing the poor man. Diagree with his politics--fine--that's what the board is for, but what is with the personal attacks. If you don't like the words he uses, that's okay, but why make a big deal out of it. If he talks over your head, I am sure that he didn't mean to. I don't find what he writes hard to understand. I simply disagree with tons of people attacking him on a personal level--or you for that matter. I did not attack anyone personally, nor would I. I did READ all the posts and did give my comment. I stand by it.
What they want is to be able to bash McCain, bash Bush, and bash Palin...
in private, their own little hatefest, slap each other on the back and high five...they could not care less about any issues. That should be patently obvious. And rather sad.
I didn't bash her AND STOP SHOUTING AT ME
I didn't bash her. I stated the facts. I was hoping McCain would pick someone who would help him win. He needs all the help he can get right now, but no, he goes and picks her! I would have liked to see Mit Romney or Duncan or Ron Paul or any of the other candidates that were up there and I would have voted for him had he picked one of them. Tons of people were supporting and voting for them - especially Romney and Paul, but he goes and picks a nobody with no experience. That's right none! Not a bash - fact! If we have a President in there with the age and health problems McCain does I need to be confident that the VP can step in. She cannot! That is just fact. The only reason I can see why is she is a woman. That just really stinks big time! If the republicans have any hope of remaining in the white house he has got to make some smart decisions. That was not one of them. I did not bash her. I stated the facts. If anything what I said was against McCain. I believe he picked her for only two reasons. One she is a woman and two there will not be anyone there to question his judgement on issues and tell him no, your wrong about this or that. And for pete's sake stop shouting at me! Take your frustrations elsewhere.
That last sentence just didn't EVEN sound right! sm
And I think the missing sheep brains is the main thing in this picture.
I know you don't expect an answer. They just bash, bash, bash
You know that though. They just like to bash him, no matter what he does. He could turn out to be Jesus Christ himself and they would still fault him for something!
No, your post didn't make it sound like you thought
he was responsible, I'm only imaging how it is going to somehow get back on him. It is a terrible thing to happen to anybody. Some people just need to step back and get a life. :)
Corporation owned media does not bash Bush, they bash those that bash Bush.sm
Google Bush and vote fraud and there is tons of information about how many Americans 'voted' for Bush. Poor us and poor troops.
Hey, don't blame Libby, she didn't make it up.
That information is all over the blogs and they took it from the National Enquirer which, as you should know if you are paying attention, has long been thought to be a toy of the CIA.
AND, Laura Bush slipped up herself thinking she was off camera and made a comment about some event they were talking about, and said oh yes, that was the night we were ALL drinking! So it seems there may actually be some germ of truth in the story taken right from the horse's mouth.
But just shoot the messenger, eh!
I will be saying "Don't blame me. I didn't vote for him."
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Didn't vote for Bush, can't blame me for that...nm
I didn't rant, honey, just gave my opinion........sm
I did try to explain it to you, very nicely. You and others just won't listen.
I don't mind, really I don't. Makes it so much easier for McCain to win.
It ain't over till the fat lady sings......
Let's chat again on Nov 5, shall we?
Don't blame Obama for the coins...blame the Franklin Mint!
The Franklin Mint has an entire series of presidential coins that are tacky and cheap looking just like everything else they manufacture.
Let's blame Clinton...Let's blame Obama.
The FACT is that Bush BECAME prez on 01/20/01. He was told by Clinton to beware!! It was Bush's duty to know, to care what was going on.... the FACT is he didn't give a rat's patooty!!! FACT is he was on vacation most of his first 7 months in office. The FACT is he stared into space for 7 minutes after being told America was under attack while kindergarteners were reading "MY PET GOAT." I am so sick of the LIES you people want to ram down my throat. And when Obama takes office, God-willing, I am positive he will be under a microscope like NO president has ever been as there is a different standard set for him and never has a president-elect undergone so much criticisizm BEFORE taking office.
Bash, rant, bash, rant, bash....
My word can you ever rant. But you don't seem so great at sticking to facts. I read the posts you paraphrased and do not agree with your synopsis. She did not say you were a cliche, among other things....she said you were using a cliche. Superior intellect? Huh? Where'd you get that? She stated she liked western history. Just because someone likes to read doesn't mean they are boasting that they are superior. How silly!!!
Your opinion of torture is your opinion. Tough
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If you came here to bash
Conservative board.
Never a problem there.
It's a new day. Just say no to bash.
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Regarding the "O" Bash....
The right wing rag I got my figures from was the IRS:
Progressivity and the Tax Burden
Our tax system, however, is highly progressive, meaning that as one's income rises, a higher proportion of that income is taxed. Thus, those in the highest tax brackets contribute more to the overall tax burden even though there are far more people in lower tax brackets.1
- According to data from the IRS, the bottom 50 percent of income earners pay approximately 4 percent of income taxes.
- The top 25 percent of income earners pay nearly 83 percent of the income tax burden, and the top 10 percent pay 65 percent.
- The top 1 percent of income earners pay almost 35 percent of all income taxes.
The bottom 50% referred to above includes the middle class.
The $6 billion figure came from one of your own posters down in a lower thread...from the tax institute who evaluated O's plan, and the fact that it would add about a trillion (literally) dollars to the deficit. You can scroll down and find it yourself.
Yes, $250,000 in INCOME. That is a small business owner's PAYCHECK. That is what is left after they have paid all their small business operation bills, and he wants to RAISE the taxes on what they have left. It HURTS small businesses. IF they work hard, pay their people, keep their jobs on shore, what do they get for it? After paying whatever business taxes they have to pay, he wants to tax their bottom line AGAIN. In my opinion...that sucks.
Don't have time to run through the whole rant right now. More later.
Get over yourself. If all you can do is bash.....
don't bother posting at all. Sheesh. No wonder people leave this board.
Besides ,we all know that sam is a whole lot more knowledgeable about the entire political process than almost anyone here. Me included, and probably you.
Even though this gal was right about your #8.
The moderator said not to bash.
She did not say that people with opposing viewpoints could not post.
The only bash under this thread is
Just can't resist slamming a different perspective, can you? Not even one time is this possible.
If Bush did not go, you would bash him for that.
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This is not a bash, but let me explain
I used to live 20 minutes from the border of Canada, we got a lot of perspective of what the Canadians thought of US.
First, this is not an election about race, but your comments are trying to suggest it is. Nobody in America cares about Obama's race. We care about Obama as a person. What is Obama offering the American people. What is Obama's plans for America. What will he do to our economic and foreign policies. What he wants to turn America into is not good for the country. Of course the people who support him will jump on your bandwagon and congratulate you on the "race" comment because they cannot defend the wrong he has done.
America does not want higher taxes which his plan will certainly increase our taxes. We work 50 and 60 hours or more at work to makes ends meet. Now we're going to have to work 80 hours or more because of the extra tax burdeon we will have to support all his programs while just handing the people who don't pay any taxes more money. Americans don't want our health care industry socialized, which is what his plan will do. We will no longer have control over our own health care.
We don't feel safe from our enemies with Obama's foreign policies. It's taken a lot since 9/11 for some Americans to feel that America is safe (or close to safe) from our enemies. Obama does not have the experience or knowlege of dealing with foreign leaders. A lot of us do not know where or who his allegience stands with. His ties to our enemies is not a very comforting feeling.
I find it funny how a lot of people will support Mr. Obama with his ties to the people who want to see us wiped off the planet, they'd rather see America turned into a socialist country. They'd rather see our freedoms and way of life taken from us. They want the people who work hard for what they have to work harder to give it to those who don't have and who refuse to do anything to better themselves. All for what? So that we can have a black president? That we have a president who is young?
Sure John McCain is not the first choice for a lot of us. We would have rather seen Ron Paul, Mit Romney or any of the others selected, but this is who the republican party chose.
A lot of us are researching what John McCain has done in his political career and what Barack Obama has done in his political career and we are comparing who would be better for America. It has nothing to do with the color (or lack of color) of their skin, it has to do with their character and judgment. It is a very close race and until election day is when we will learn who the people voted for. Here in America the polls do not mean anything. They are just a tool for the media to use to try to influence people, but thankfully most Americans do not vote based on just what polls say, and as we all know what happened with Tom Bradley (better known as the Bradley Effect) we know that polls do not mean anything, and the true results only happen on election day.
For a lot of conservatives we are choosing McCain over Obama because we feel McCain's plans and ideas are better for Americans. He has fought for Americans his whole political career. He has fought with both democrats and republicans on issues he feels are wrong for America.
Obama has too much "bad baggage". Sure he's a good speaker. He should be, after all he's a lawyer. He has had years of experience arguing cases in court rooms, but just because he speaks well, dresses nice, is good looking and had a lovely wife and 2 beautiful little girls does not mean that what he will turn our country into is right for America. Seeing as you have access to most everything on the Net you should visit some independent sites that are neither for or against both candidates and learn more about them, their history, their affiliations, who they studied under, who supports them, who donates to their campaigns. Who are they, what have they done in their careers and what are they trying so desperately to hide.
This campaign is different. We had a women running, Hillary, who now after being defeated are learning that she would have been a lot better for America than what is in there now. As the saying goes if she was elected "at least we know what the devil looks like". I voted for Obama over Hillary, but now I wish I voted the other way.
This election is also different because never in my adult years have I have heard such bias liberal media just trying to tear out the souls of anyone who is not democrat. Issues are in black in white in front of their faces and they choose to ignore them. We have people like Barney Franks, Chris Dodd and others who made a fortune from the housing crisis while they knew it was wrong, yet the democrats will say it was all Bush's fault, when President Bush does not vote on these issues. Sure President Bush is not the most intelligent. As my friend says "He's one fry short of a happy meal", but he didn't vote on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac. Congress did. We were lied to by the democrats and this is where it got us. But the liberal media ignores that. Then we have the top democrats (Nancy Pelosi, and a couple others that I forget their name right now- Harry Reid, that's his name and others) who have the authority to impeach President Bush, and there is plenty legitimate and legal reasons for him to be impeached but they are not doing it. So the democrats will whine about Bush and how he should be impeached, but they don't say anything against the democrats for not impeaching him. There are a lot of conservatives who want Bush and Cheney impeached, so you have to ask yourselves why is Pelosi and others not doing it. I, as others believe, Pelosi and the others have done something wrong (accepted money or whatever it is) and they've been told not to do anything or else.
Anyway....yes, this election is different than others. We have one candidate who is a true American hero, who will fight for Americans and has fought for us. He doesn't belong to the "good ol boys" club like Bush/Cheney. Then you have the other candidate Obama who is so deep up to his neck in shady doings, associates, and everything else we are finding out. Also the same people who have donated and are in charge of President Bush are the same exact people who are supporting Obama (makes you think twice about that one).
You said Barack's wife is well spoken and I agree with you there. I also believe McCain's wife is well spoken. She has dedictated her life as a special education teacher and nurse. She has spent her whole life helping others. She is a truly beautiful lady like Michelle Obama on both the inside and out. Two extra-ordinary women who would make fine first ladies.
Obama's campaign is all about change. Yes everyone is tired of Bush/Cheney, and we certainly don't want to go back to the Clinton/Gore years, so people are looking for a change, just not the kind of change Obama wants to make. He also says its time for change but he picks Biden for a running mate. The same Biden who said that Obama was not ready to be President. Clinton also said Obama was not ready to be president. So Obama wants change but he picks a running mate who has been in Washington as long as McCain has. McCain's campaign is about putting America first. Which means fighting for us. We saw his courage and his fight while he was in a POW camp. He fought then and he will fight now. His running mate goes to show us McCain will truly put change into Washington. He picked a qualified person who gives Americans hope that more than only lawyer's can be elected. She has the experience (she has more experience than Obama does) to be elected as a VP. She's a fast learner and has come as far in a few weeks that took Obama almost 2 years to get to.
So, your post did not offend, but you need to know that this election is not about race. It's about ethics, integrety, patriotism, knowlege, courage, and sticking up for the American people. All qualities that John McCain and Sarah Palin hold.
I'm not saying I believe they will win because it is a very close election, but I like many others hope they do win. We want to be able to remain a free country and prosper the way our founding fathers wanted the country to be.
You want solutions? HA!. All you do is bash
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History is history and opinion is opinion. You need to learn the difference.
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It's not your right to bash her - this is the liberal board
As I said, if you have a problem with liberal ideology being expressed on this board, you need to contact the administrator as she is the one that helped toward having the two boards and requested many times to not bash. Can you understand that?
Please do not bash liberal posters. Thank you. nm
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Mentally ill....? That is quite a bash, friend...
I was trying to be civil but the gloves are off now. You are so far embroiled into the liberal lockstep you don't even know what civil is, and you have demonstrated your own immaturity by this attack.
*I think you and your friends are playground bullies with maturity of a 5-year-old...*
This from someone who supports a so-called adult who let his johnson run his life...and then commit perjury and obstruction of justice to cover it up. Yep, there is a MATURE role model for you and you are following him like the sheeple. Instead of talking about it intelligently (that presupposes you are capable), you whine, snipe, and run.
You are welcome to any opinion you have about the *far right* Republican party, conservatives, et al. I have an opinion about the *far left* (although I believe that the whole party is so far left there is no more *moderate* left, they have been so effectively silenced). I believe that the Democratic party will finish destroying this country if they stay in power. Bill got a good start, and you, like the good sheeple are, follow blindly. The upper crust of your liberal party could not care LESS about you, walked to power on your shoulders, and intend to keep you oppressed and under their thumb to stay in power. The truth is, the far right Republican party cares more about you than they ever will. Not bashing, an opinion!
*You guys don't play fair.* Boy, THAT is rich! Someone disagrees with you or takes a shot at that tin god Clinton you bow to, and you don't want to have an intelligent debate, you just want the naysayers to go away. It is that kind of blinder vision that lets people like Adolf Hitler take hold and suddenly it is all right to kill six million people. You spewed enough venom here to pretty much prove that point. But the bigger point is this one, and if you have one brain cell left that is not liberally indoctrinated, LISTEN. The far right Republican party, and conservatives, are AMERICANS too! For the love of mike, get a grip and take off that liberal hat for 10 seconds and realize, conservatives are people just like you, have families just like you, pay taxes just like you, and whether you LIKE IT OR NOT, have rights just like you. I cannot believe the tone you are taking. Read your own post! Sheesh. You are acting like these people (myself included) are your mortal enemies. What in the world is the MATTER with you??? This is a posting board, not a battlefield. Good grief!!
Lets bash the pastor.
According to dictionary.com, the meanings of the N-word are “deeply disparaging and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense.” They go on to say, conversely, “it is sometimes used among African-Americans in a neutral or familiar way.” Since he whispered the statement behind what he thought was a cold microphone, it is highly unlikely that Rev. Jackson intended to cause great offense and his use of the word probably falls into the latter category of usage.
For example, the N-word can become much less offensive and even assume neutrality within historical discourse, literature, poetry, cinema theater and the like. One could further argue that within certain contexts (i.e. rap music, conversations within the black households, neighborhoods and businesses, to name a few) connotations of the word can be construed so as to convey a sense of community…even a brotherhood, of sorts. Language is fluid, dynamic and vital in its nature, not static or one-dimensional. Context, message, intent, environment, speaker and audience all impact the ultimate nuance of meaning in all forms of communication.
I agree with you and take deep offense at the use of the N-word, regardless of who says it. However, I would like to comment on some of the other points you raised in your post. A careful read of the actual statement shows that Rev. Jackson did not use this epithet to personally attack Obama. Rather, he was referring to the black population as a whole. Granted, his choice of words was extremely poor (at least from a white perspective), but the statement was not meant for public scrutiny. It was spoken from one black individual to another, much the same was that Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s statements were made from black preacher to black congregation.
As a white person, I do not believe I can sit in judgment one way or another regarding his choice of words when taken completely out of context, in the same way I am not qualified to criticize the sermons of Rev. Wright. I would like to think that I am intelligent enough to understand that, having lived in the US as a white person both before and after the civil right eras (1948 to present), I have not experienced life in America the same way black people have. They are entitled to their own “take” on their own lives. Who am I to tell them how to “tell it like it is?”
One last point. I am sure that much flap and bruhah will ensue over this unfortunate news. However, the very fact that Rev. Sharpton, you, I, the media and countless others will be having this debate over our outrage and dismay is a testament as to just how effective Rev Jackson and other early leaders in the civil rights movement were in defining the key issues, defying status quo of his times, enlisting support for the cause, effectively engaging his opposition in ongoing bipartisan initiatives over nearly 4 decades and producing fruitful, far-reaching and substantial bodies of legislation from which today’s black community continue to reap bountiful benefits and blessings. They weathered storms of protests, incarceration, series after series of setbacks and reversals, and buckets of bloodshed in their efforts to secure the civil liberties and rights that reach far beyond the black community to encompass other forms of discrimination against women, gays, immigrants and the poor, to name a few…all so casually taken for granted and so easily dismissed in the blink of an eye with one ill-chosen, unfortunate slip of the tongue.
For those of us whose memories reach further back than the latest round of CNN sound bytes and chat room chatter, we probably would forgive Obama should he decide not to denounce Rev Jackson’s support, nor would we feel driven to force him to abandon his own pastor of 20 years for the sake of our own righteous indignation.
And managed to bash dems on the way out....
Don't be so quick to bash Bush.... sm
This is near the bottom of the article I posted. Maybe you just missed it.
"To gain access to the emergency loans, GM and Chrysler must also agree to a wide range of concessions, including limits on executive pay and the elimination of their private corporate jets. "
Everyone put it on Bush's shoulders to do some thing about this and now that he has, still he gets bashed. He's not my favorite president by far, but I think he should be afforded some kind of recognition for doing something to help the economy. As far as pay cuts for the UAW, the article says that they will have to bring their wages more in line with those of foreign auto makers, which is still a danged good salary. Would the UAW rather have a pay check or be completely unemployed? That is pretty much what it all boils down to. I wouldn't particular want to take a pay cut either, but in light of the situation and the current economic picture, I think I would thank my lucky stars that I at least would HAVE a jo
Like the old saying goes "You can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time."
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Yes, BASH BUSH - he should be tried for war crimes!!
He put us in this mess - the SOB should be tried for treason, corruption and war crimes. Oh wait, he probably has a layer of insulation between him and Scooter Libby. Huh.
They are trying to bash Bush again to distract from
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"Bashing"? All you do is bash conservatives,
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The first one says, do not bash their posts. It does not say stay off the board.
The second one I did not recall seeing. As I said, go to the conservative board and see what you see. The same thing as here. Stop whining about it and grow up.
This is the liberal board. Please do not bash the posters here. Thank you. nm
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We're the peace party, but will bash with the best
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What issues? Your only issue is bash Republicans...
and one poster on an anonymous board. Check your intolerance at the door, raise a real issue, and allow everyone their say. Try to actually BE democratic. What a concept.
ADHD. The no bash reply was to your spin
Of course we should compare plans. Your question is a rhetorical innuendo. Your words, not mine. Comparing plans is where it's at.
The bash-free answer to your serious question would be
it comes as no surprise that only after a mere "snippet" of information, you would by trying your best to pin some sort of false charge on Obama. We've seen you do this before, so perhaps that is why you got the response you got. LOL yourself.
This is the reason repubs are trying to bash Acorn sm
Acorn had paid people signing up new voters. The people signed up a lot of fakes because they were paid by the number of new voters they signed on. The fakes cannot vote so there is no threat. What the repubs are building a case about is that Acorn is criminal (which they are NOT) and repubs want to throw out all those millions of new voters. Because the landslide is going to be so humiliating. Even throwing out Acorn wouldn't help McCain.
Right, dont every forget to bash Bush.
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People love to bash Bush, but one man cant do it
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Yeah, it is so easy to bash Bush, but say one little
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This page is for the use of Liberals. Please do not bash their posts. There are other boards
available. For example, if you are a Conservative, please post on the Conservative forum.
Thank you,
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This board is for liberal posters. Do not bash their posts. sm
Thank you.
Why do people feel the need to come over and do a one time bash n' dash? sm
Sometimes opinions just don't necessarily have to be expressed.
Nobody cares who you voted for, you bash Obama now and that is not patriotic
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Divide this board: Bash/attack/smut for Pubs
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au contraire.....what they do on the conservative board is bash the left....plain and simple. I thi
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Does this sound like more of the same or what?
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