I didn't know "under God" was not in the original pledge. sm

• Pledge unconstitutional - Jane
  • Just a little clue for you far left Democrats. Thank GOD you don't represent - -
    • get on back conservative - gt
      • You honestly believe the junk you spew - Reality check
        • you know nothing - gt
          • I know enough - Reality check
  • pledge - duck
    • pledge - gt
    • Original pledge by forefathers didn't include God. I agree with keeping the original. - Libby
      • PLEDGE AGAIN - DUCK
        • How about.. - Libby
          • I don't have a problem with taking the "under God" part out...sm - Democrat
  • I don't agree with this. I think the people sm - Democrat
    • They already ARE allowed to stay silent. That's the irony of this. - SM
      • In rare form, I agree with you...nm - Democrat
      • Majority rules not the minority - Reality Check
    • I'm not sure of all the formal legal implications, but (sm) - just another democrat
      • I didn't know "under God" was not in the original pledge. sm - Democrat
      • LEGAL - NUMBER 1
      • It should only limit them from saying two words in the pledge - Reality check
        • leave out god in the pledge - gt
          • This what I'm personally going to do - Reality check
    • Pledge - gt
      • Then that was wrong - Reality check

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The original Pledge of Allegiance

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands- one nation indivisible-with liberty and justice for all.

Federal Judge in Calif. Declares Pledge of Allegiance in Public Schools Unconstitutional

Kindergartners at Mayfair Elementary recite the Pledge of Allegiance Thursday, June 27, 2002 in Fresno, Calif. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in California ruled Wednesday that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in schools is unconstitutional, but one of the two judges who issued the ruling came out with another order that will keep the decision from taking effect, until the full appeals court can reconsider it. (AP Photo/Gary Kazanjian) 09-14-2005 1:43 PM By DAVID KRAVETS, Associated Press Writer SAN FRANCISCO --  A federal judge declared the reciting of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools unconstitutional Wednesday, a decision that could put the divisive issue on track for another round of Supreme Court arguments. The case was brought by the same atheist whose previous battle against the words under God was rejected last year by the Supreme Court on procedural grounds. U.S. District Judge Lawrence Karlton ruled that the pledge's reference to one nation under God violates school children's right to be free from a coercive requirement to affirm God. Karlton said he was bound by precedent of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which in 2002 ruled in favor of Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow that the pledge is unconstitutional when recited in public schools. The Supreme Court dismissed the case last year, saying Newdow lacked standing because he did not have custody of his elementary school daughter he sued on behalf of. Newdow, an attorney and a medical doctor, filed an identical case on behalf of three unnamed parents and their children. Karlton said those families have the right to sue. Imagine every morning if the teachers had the children stand up, place their hands over their hearts, and say, 'We are one nation that denies God exists,' Newdow said in an interview with AP Radio after the ruling. I think that everybody would not be sitting here saying, 'Oh, what harm is that.' They'd be furious. And that's exactly what goes on against atheists. And it shouldn't. Karlton, ruling in Sacramento, said he would sign a restraining order preventing the recitation of the pledge at the Elk Grove Unified, Rio Linda and Elverta Joint Elementary school districts in Sacramento County, where the plaintiffs' children attend. The order would not extend beyond those districts unless it is affirmed by the 9th Circuit, in which case it could apply to nine western states, or the Supreme Court, which would apply to all states. The decision sets up another showdown over the pledge in schools, at a time when the makeup of the Supreme Court is in flux. Wednesday's ruling comes as Supreme Court nominee John Roberts faces day three of his confirmation hearings before the Senate Judiciary Committee. He would succeed the late William H. Rehnquist as chief justice. In July, Sandra Day O'Connor announced her plans to retire when a successor is confirmed. The Becket Fund, a religious rights group that is a party to the case, said it would immediately appeal the case to the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. If the court does not change its precedent, the group would go to the Supreme Court. It's a way to get this issue to the Supreme Court for a final decision to be made, said fund attorney Jared Leland. The decisions by Karlton and the 9th Circuit conflict with an August opinion by the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va. That court upheld a Virginia law requiring public schools lead daily Pledge of Allegiance recitation, which is similar to the requirement in California. A three-judge panel of that circuit ruled that the pledge is a patriotic exercise, not a religious affirmation similar to a prayer. Undoubtedly, the pledge contains a religious phrase, and it is demeaning to persons of any faith to assert that the words `under God' contain no religious significance, Judge Karen Williams wrote for the 4th Circuit. The inclusion of those two words, however, does not alter the nature of the pledge as a patriotic activity. Karlton, appointed to the Sacramento bench in 1979 by President Carter, wrote that the case concerned the ongoing struggle as to the role of religion in the civil life of this nation and added that his opinion will satisfy no one involved in that debate. Karlton dismissed claims that the 1954 Congressional legislation inserting the words under God was unconstitutional. If his ruling stands, he reasoned that the school children and their parents in the case would not be harmed by the phrase because they would no longer have to recite it at school. All it has to do is put the pledge as it was before, and say that we are one nation, indivisible, instead of dividing us on religious basis, Newdow said. Terence Cassidy, a lawyer representing the school districts, said he was reviewing the opinion and was not immediately prepared to comment.

To My Conservative Brothers and Sisters,

I know you are dismayed and disheartened at the results of last week's election. You're worried that the country is heading toward a very bad place you don't want it to go. Your 12-year Republican Revolution has ended with so much yet to do, so many promises left unfulfilled. You are in a funk, and I understand.

Well, cheer up, my friends! Do not despair. I have good news for you. I, and the millions of others who are now in charge with our Democratic Congress, have a pledge we would like to make to you, a list of promises that we offer you because we value you as our fellow Americans. You deserve to know what we plan to do with our newfound power -- and, to be specific, what we will do to you and for you.

Thus, here is our Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives:

Dear Conservatives and Republicans,

I, and my fellow signatories, hereby make these promises to you:

1. We will always respect you for your conservative beliefs. We will never, ever, call you unpatriotic simply because you disagree with us. In fact, we encourage you to dissent and disagree with us.

2. We will let you marry whomever you want, even when some of us consider your behavior to be different or immoral. Who you marry is none of our business. Love and be in love -- it's a wonderful gift.

3. We will not spend your grandchildren's money on our personal whims or to enrich our friends. It's your checkbook, too, and we will balance it for you.

4. When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or a lie.

5. When we make America the last Western democracy to have universal health coverage, and all Americans are able to get help when they fall ill, we promise that you, too, will be able to see a doctor, regardless of your ability to pay. And when stem cell research delivers treatments and cures for diseases that affect you and your loved ones, we'll make sure those advances are available to you and your family, too.

6. Even though you have opposed environmental regulation, when we clean up our air and water, we, the Democratic majority, will let you, too, breathe the cleaner air and drink the purer water.

7. Should a mass murderer ever kill 3,000 people on our soil, we will devote every single resource to tracking him down and bringing him to justice. Immediately. We will protect you.

8. We will never stick our nose in your bedroom or your womb. What you do there as consenting adults is your business. We will continue to count your age from the moment you were born, not the moment you were conceived.

9. We will not take away your hunting guns. If you need an automatic weapon or a handgun to kill a bird or a deer, then you really aren't much of a hunter and you should, perhaps, pick up another sport. We will make our streets and schools as free as we can from these weapons and we will protect your children just as we would protect ours.

10. When we raise the minimum wage, we will pay you -- and your employees -- that new wage, too. When women are finally paid what men make, we will pay conservative women that wage, too.

11. We will respect your religious beliefs, even when you don't put those beliefs into practice. In fact, we will actively seek to promote your most radical religious beliefs (Blessed are the poor, Blessed are the peacemakers, Love your enemies, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God, and Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.). We will let people in other countries know that God doesn't just bless America, he blesses everyone. We will discourage religious intolerance and fanaticism -- starting with the fanaticism here at home, thus setting a good example for the rest of the world.

12. We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and who are bought and paid for by the rich. We will go after any elected leader who puts him or herself ahead of the people. And we promise you we will go after the corrupt politicians on our side FIRST. If we fail to do this, we need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray. Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.

I promise all of the above to you because this is your country, too. You are every bit as American as we are. We are all in this together. We sink or swim as one. Thank you for your years of service to this country and for giving us the opportunity to see if we can make things a bit better for our 300 million fellow Americans -- and for the rest of the world.

Signed,

Michael Moore

She said, and I quote "the original settlers"

the myth that the poor little christian conservations are constantly being abused by the powerful liberal media.  Yet if the liberal media is so almightly powerful, why can't even one liberal radio network survive?  you can't have it both ways.

The law that passed is updating the Brady Law.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR02640:@@@D&summ2=3&

I mentioned above that a few weeks ago, someone had suggested that JTBB and I get a room, as follows:

Posted By: Get a room on 2009-05-31
In Reply to: Thank you for that, Marmann. s/m - the truth is out there

You've got something on your nose there, Skippy."

Now in today's ONE THREAD, the same "suggestion" was made twice.  So that's THREE times in two weeks that this weak "shot" was aimed towards me and/or JTBB.  If that old recycled BS is the best thing you can come up with, then you're beyond pitiful.

I don't need to "get a room" with anyone simply because I agree with that person, but it sounds like some of you could benefit greatly by placement in an asylum.