I did not put words in your mouth....
Posted By: Observer on 2007-11-15
In Reply to: Oh please, Observer. - kam
if you are pro choice, and if you had to vote on the issue you would vote for it I assume...that means you support abortion. That is the plain and simple fact. There is no law now which states when an abortion has to occur. They can do it any time they get good and ready, beyond three months.
My dear kam, my "religion" does not tell me that a baby has a soul before it is born, my sense of morality and my heart tell me that. And just because you say a baby does not have a soul before it is born, that also does not make it so. If I am going to err, I most certainly would want to err on the side of the child. But that is just me.
Yes, I want state to state decisions to be made. That is what democracy is about. You hawk about choice, choice, choice. Every American should have the right to vote on this question. You want to allow a woman a choice to kill her baby, you don't want to allow me a choice to vote on the matter. Talk about hypocritical. Sheesh.
As you have stated ad nauseam, if a woman wants an abortion, she is going to get one, and I don't think having to travel to another state is going to stop her. Might be a little inconvenient, but I am sure those as liberal pro-choicers could set up buses, etc., to haul those women who want to have their babies killed to wherever they are killing babies.
You say you are not pro abortion...that must mean on some level personally you think it is wrong. That comes from your personal sense of morality, and since you are obviously not a "religious" person it does not come from God (although I do not believe that, but that is neither here nor there and not a discussion for this board). There are many people who are pro life who are not, as you say, "religious." They just believe that killing babies is wrong. The National Right to Life Committee is comprised of many non-"religious" people as well as "religious people." Believe it or not, there are people out there who just believe killing babies is wrong.
As to the SCHIP thing...that has nothing to do with the moral right or wrong of abortion. Why are you so concerned about health care of those children, and not concerned about the millions aborted every year? 98% of which have nothing to do with the health of the mother, rape, or incest? Why not limit abortion to rape, incest, or life of mother in danger? Why use it as a form of birth control? Because that is what 98% of abortions are. And if that is okay with you, so be it. I have a right to be against it, just as you have a right to be for it.
And, by the way, I also have a right to my "religion." Guaranteed by the Constitution of these United States of America. Just like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...there is no proviso "unless you are an inconvenient fetus, then all bets are off."
Have a nice day.
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Not what i said at all...please do not put words in my mouth...
I have to say that now that Obama has said to pull out all the troops immediately would not be the thing to do, I feel slightly better about him in that respect. However, to say he would sit down with Admadinejad without any constraints...that worries me. And also what worries me is that in a nuclear proliferation talk when talking about getting rid of your weapons and Ahmadinejad..or Medvedev says basically "you first," he might actually do it.
Third...nuclear nonproliferation will only work if all sides agree. Russia will never give up its nukes. Ahmadinejad will never give up his nukes, certainly of his own free will he won't. Israel cannot give up their nukes..to do so would be suicide. If we give ours up...suicide. And I don't think Obama gets that. Sorry, I just don't. Not a slam..my opinion. And I have to vote on what I think and feel based on all I know...not what any party tells me I should do.
Words from his mouth were
in the context of coal being the dirtiest kind of energy and how all energy providers will need to obey guidelines regarding clean air and greenhouse gases, including coal providers.
His "words" were as follow:
"This notion of no coal, I think, is an illusion. We have to figure out how to use coal without emitting greenhouse gases and carbon, how can we sequester that carbon and capture it. If we can't, we will still be working on alternatives."
He said that if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it, that he thinks that is the right approach.
However, if the coal industry wants to continue as is without any changes, they can still build a plant, but it will bankrupt them to do so if they cannot or will not meet the standards that comply with clean air and greenhouse gases.
Clean air, what an evil plan!
But go ahead, spin it, flip it, and toss it around until it's upside down and carries the complete opposite meaning of the original true statement.
Once again, I refer you to the link I posted previously, where the United Mine Workers of America endorse Obama's plan and reveal how McCain twisted it.
If the United Mine Workers of America are okay with his plan, then so am I. 
Was referring to words out of her own mouth
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PLEASE. I did not say *a lot*. Stop putting words in my mouth! nm
Okay, so words from his mouth aren't true?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwBbl6RoIs&NR=1
I answered you, sam. You are putting words in Obama's mouth
show me where O said he would give rebates to people w/o income and show me where he said they would get a tax break. This question has been answered already. Read the previous post BEFORE you throw out another dodge to my still unanswered question about progressive tax system being socialist, the rebate and your outlandish claims about what you think Obama said.
Nice mouth. You kiss your mother with that mouth? sm
No, and please try and comprehend what I am saying, gt broke the truce when she attacked me. Can you comprehend that? I was staying off your board until I saw that gt actually attacked me in a thread that ended up in a truce with another poster. You are really really not a nice person. I will pray for you.
Those types of words are unnecessary and actually ARE racist words. sm
Those types of phrases are offensive and are intended to be offensive. This election should not be about race. If it is about race for you, then you are probably one of the ignorant people using those words. Very rude!!
You're right....words are just words...so are Obama's...
...and don't/won't mean anything to many people, myself included.
He is no MLK.
It is a historic moment, of that I have no doubt. And yes, he has come far.
However, one still needs to have strength of character to back the words up for true meaning, and he is sadly lacking in that area.
Nothing but words hon, and we know how Obama's words
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What I do not like is what comes out of her mouth; otherwise she is
is quite pretty to look. Frankly, though, I have never liked real aggressive women like that - had too many in my life cause me too much grief and misery. They shoot their mouths off and then rely on their male partners to take care of the dirty work that needs to be done.
I especially have a negative feeling toward people in general who use their religion to gain power and money.
@$$ 2 mouth is not OK
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Tell me - do you eat with that mouth? nm
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And has the mouth to match....sm
Shut your mouth......Or Else
http://www.newsweek.com/id/158107
You can tell as soon as she opens her mouth
I can already see through McCain's tricks. He will play the "too harsh on the little lady" game when it comes to anything to do with Palin. I say he disrespects women because of he didn't care enough to pick a qualified candidate, just selected one he throught may rouse the dems. If he really had respect for women, he would have picked a much, much better woman than Sarah Palin, one who has much more experience and one who "takes care of things at home first."
Obama is articulate; McCain is the same; are you not seeing that?
All he has do to is open his mouth....
and stick his size 13 in it. But I don't see you criticizing him. Franklin Roosevelt on TV after crash in 29...only it was Hoover and no TV at that time. Oh I think that ad is terrible. But it's your ad. We did that? Yes, you did that. Well, then we should take it down. Read my lips, NO CLEAN COAL. Obama is FOR clean coal technology.
Still waiting for your critique of Biden.
Nah, we have to hold our mouth in a
different position in that case. Must have been something else.
Out of Richardson's mouth too (nm)
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You must also believe every word out of his mouth, too...nm
Potty mouth? LOL.....
bit mouth frog?
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Right from the mouth of an Obot.
Helloooo...try John McCain (sorry, if you don't even know his name I think you need to do a bit of reading up on him). The candidates where McCain and Palin, Obama and Biden. Show a little respect for all of them. You know the same respect you demand for OLiar, oops I mean Obama. What associations? Please site some sources. Delusion is for the Obots who spin in circles drinking the Kool-Aid not even knowing what issues he supports or is against.
Talking out of both sides of his mouth
No, this is the latest info he wants put out. This comes after he stood on his little podium at the debates and said point blank, he would increase taxes to help pay for more social programs. Now, I don't know how you get around that, but it came out of his own mouth and his true motives are already out there. I have watched that man sway with whatever way the political breeze is blowing, whichever he thinks sounds best for him at the time. Anyone that wishy washy cannot run a country. He is being run....that is the problem!!
You call that a potty mouth
Joy is the one I can't stomach.
I got the socialism thing right from the O's mouth....
and it is not even remotely like what Palin did in Alaska. lol.
Obama said...from his own mouth...to Joe the Plumber....
when Joe said, "Why do you want to tax me more?" to which Obama replied: "It's not that I want to tax you more. I think the guys below Joe deserve a shot too." I agree with that..just not the way Obama wants. They deserve the SAME shot JOE had. Work several years to GET to the point where you can buy a business...like JOE has. Don't TAX the JOES of the world MORE so you can cut people who have not worked that hard a check for which they did NOTHING. That is not fair, gourdpainter. No way is that FAIR.
Why not have a straight across the board percentage tax, no deductions, no NOTHING. Yes, the rich would pay more than the poor because they make more, but it would be FAIR. It would not be taxing any class of people at a HIGHER rate and divying it out to the ones below them who did NOTHING to earn it.
Obama is a socialist. He says so in his plans, he said so to Joe the Plumber. Why aren't you listening?
:-)
Straight from the horse's mouth... sm
Did you not watch the video???? That is EXACTLY what Obama said. So now you are saying that Obama himself is not credible????
What I found even MORE ridiculous is what he said before having said "I am the change." 
From his own mouth on 60 Minutes a few months ago...
he will impose eminent domain in the states that he wants to erect this stuff, though, so some people won't be happy when their land is taken away. Always seems to be a drawback, doesn't there???
Au contraire big mouth........but I do participate!
According to your method of thinking,one should vote for the guy they "think" may be getting the most votes instead of voting their conscious for the candidate that will actually uphold the constitution of this country. Yep, you're a smart one alright, just not in the way you might think!
I volunteer for candidates and spend a lot of time campaigning, which I'm quite certain you've never done any..... I see plenty like you all around here; they have HUGE mouths, sig on their stoops yapping and yapping and absolutely do nothing else but run their mouths.
I have absolutely NO responsibility for the outcome and so glad I can honestly say I didn't put that crook into office!! You darn right I can stand from the rooftops and say it.
Like I said, I don't like his crap and I do constantly fax, write, and call my senators and leaders and let them know my thoughts.
Why do you think I take the time to correspond with nutjobs like you? I'm trying to get the truth out..... you're just kissing backside; there's a big difference!!
"Superpresident"? Mighty Mouth is more like it. What's next
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Well, shut my mouth, something that we agree on!!! sm
The one thing I do believe is that our society is very puritanical when it comes to sex. I personally don't care who lays pipe where as long as it does not interfere with the job at hand. I could care less about his infidelity -- but I do take issue with someone who passes themselves off as some God-fearing family man who protests loudly about others cheating and who just chose to not even spend Father's Day with his 4 children. And God knows, if he used taxpayer money to do it, he should be strung up. The French (and most other "mature" nations) find our atitudes towards infidelity as something backwards, prudish and laughable -- not that I care what they think, but I do think they have a valid point. What goes on behind closed doors is nobody's darn business!
Waiting to get blown up...from a soldiers mouth..sm
BAGHDAD, July 26 Army Staff Sgt. Jose Sixtos considered the simple question about morale for more than an hour. But not until his convoy of armored Humvees had finally rumbled back into the Baghdad military base, and the soldiers emptied the ammunition from their machine guns, and passed off the bomb-detecting robot to another patrol, did he turn around in his seat and give his answer.
Think of what you hate most about your job. Then think of doing what you hate most for five straight hours, every single day, sometimes twice a day, in 120-degree heat, he said. Then ask how morale is.
Frustrated? You have no idea, he said.
As President Bush plans to deploy more troops in Baghdad, U.S. soldiers who have been patrolling the capital for months describe a deadly and infuriating mission in which the enemy is elusive and success hard to find. Each day, convoys of Humvees and Bradley Fighting Vehicles leave Forward Operating Base Falcon in southern Baghdad with the goal of stopping violence between warring Iraqi religious sects, training the Iraqi army and police to take over the duty, and reporting back on the availability of basic services for Iraqi civilians.
But some soldiers in the 2nd Battalion, 6th Infantry Regiment, 1st Armored Division -- interviewed over four days on base and on patrols -- say they have grown increasingly disillusioned about their ability to quell the violence and their reason for fighting. The battalion of more than 750 people arrived in Baghdad from Kuwait in March, and since then, six soldiers have been killed and 21 wounded.
It sucks. Honestly, it just feels like we're driving around waiting to get blown up. That's the most honest answer I could give you, said Spec. Tim Ivey, 28, of San Antonio, a muscular former backup fullback for Baylor University. You lose a couple friends and it gets hard.
No one wants to be here, you know, no one is truly enthused about what we do, said Sgt. Christopher Dugger, the squad leader. We were excited, but then it just wears on you -- there's only so much you can take. Like me, personally, I want to fight in a war like World War II. I want to fight an enemy. And this, out here, he said, motioning around the scorched sand-and-gravel base, the rows of Humvees and barracks, toward the trash-strewn streets of Baghdad outside, there is no enemy, it's a faceless enemy. He's out there, but he's hiding.
We're trained as an Army to fight and destroy the enemy and then take over, added Dugger, 26, of
Reno, Nev. But I don't think we're trained enough to push along a country, and that's what we're actually doing out here.
It's frustrating, but we are definitely a help to these people, he said. I'm out here with the guys that I know so well, and I couldn't picture myself being anywhere else.
'Never-Ending Battle'
After a five-hour patrol on Saturday through southern Baghdad neighborhoods, soldiers from the 1st Platoon sat on wooden benches in an enclosed porch outside their barracks. Faces flushed and dirty from the grit and a beating sun, they smoked cigarettes and tossed them at a rusted can that said Butts.
The commanders in Baghdad and the Pentagon are looking at the big picture all the time, but for us, we don't see no big picture, it's just always another bomb out here, said Spec. Joshua Steffey, 24, of Asheville, N.C. The company's commanding officer, Capt. Douglas A. DiCenzo of Plymouth, N.H., and his gunner, Spec. Robert E. Blair of Ocala, Fla., were killed by a roadside bomb in May.
Steffey said he wished somebody would explain to us, 'Hey, this is what we're working for.' With a stream of expletives, he said he could not care less if Iraq's free or if they're a democracy.
I mean, if you compare the casualty count from this war to, say, World War II, you know obviously it doesn't even compare, Fulcher said. But World War II, the big picture was clear -- you know you're fighting because somebody was trying to take over the world, basically. This is like, what did we invade here for?
How did it become, 'Well, now we have to rebuild this place from the ground up'? Fulcher asked.
He kept talking. They say we're here and we've given them freedom, but really what is that? You know, what is freedom? You've got kids here who can't go to school. You've got people here who don't have jobs anymore. You've got people here who don't have power, he said. You know, so yeah, they've got freedom now, but when they didn't have freedom, everybody had a job.
Steffey got up to leave the porch and go to bed.
You know, the point is we've lost too many Americans here already, we're committed now. So whatever the [expletive] end-state is, whatever it is, we need to achieve it -- that way they didn't die for nothing, he said. We're far too deep in this now....
From Barack Obama's mouth to your ears...
"We are better than this."
Well, we SHOULD be better than this. Can't we leave the name calling and mean spirited personal comments about individuals by the wayside that has nothing to do with the discussion? Especially people impaired by illness? This sounds like a junior high school lunch room.
Sorry....as I remove my rather large foot from my mouth...
at least I will admit when I am wrong...yep, I took the post the wrong way. Soooo sorry.
Yes, the idea of a conservative woman who is a feminist, who is strong and able to meld career and family and do it well scares them...she is a feminist, but with conservative values...go figure. The hard core feminists are now being taken to task by the moderates saying "Hey wait...either you want women to advance or you don't...you want women treated equally or you don't...this is not about liberal or conservative women, it is about women..."
The horse is out of the barn now and I don't think they can put it back in.
Before opening mouth - engage brain.
You're calling Palin an "under-educated butt?"
And your great accompishment is that you know how to type on a message board? What a maroon!
Please feel free to exit the country when McCain/Palin win. You and your tiny little mind will not be missed.
Biden just can't bring himself to bad mouth McCain
He knows he's already said his peace about Obama. He doesn't like the guy, doesn't think he is trusthworthy, and has questioned Obama's associations time and time again. That said enough for me. If his own VP doesn't care him, then something else is going on. Obama didn't choosen Biden because he thought he wanted him...
Makes one wonder what is really going on here.
Rebate. Dividend. Whatever. From the moose's mouth...
Same catch phrase they have used to rake Obama over the coals...what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Well why doesn't he put his money where his mouth is. Pick a...
neighborhood, any neighborhood. With the next check he gets for being a senator (and yeah, we are still paying him, and he hasn't darked the doors of the senate maybe 2-3 times since he starting running for Prez...), he should cash it, then go divvy it up with all the folks in the neighborhood. Just share that wealth, Barack. Lead by example.
Nope, the ones coming out of Obamas mouth
At his rallies and on TV interviews -
- I quit smoking (he never did - people don't want a president that smokes so that is what he told people during his campaign)
- My father was a goatherder (his father was a privalaged well-educated youth who worked with the Kenyan Government).
- My father was a proud freedom fighter (his father was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments in Kenya).
- I never practiced Islam (he practiced it daily at his school in Indonesia where he was registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years until Michelle made him change it before running for office).
- My school in Indonesia was a Christian school (his school was Muslim and he was registered as Muslim and he even says in his book he got in trouble for making faces during Koranic studies).
- I was born in Hawaii (he was born in Kenya in a room with his grandmother, sister, and brother were there to witness the birth).
- I wrote a tough nuclear bill (his bill was rejected by his own democrat party).
- I am tough on Terrorism (he missed the Iran resolution vote on terrorism and his good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Islam).
- I don't have Lobbyists (he has over 47 Lobbyist and still counting)
- I inspire people with my words (he inspires people with other people's words).
I'l stop there. Plenty more though.
Only on deaf ears if from misinformed mouth nm
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meant "through" the mouth of a horse
Typo....oops.
Do you kiss your kids with that potty mouth?
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I'll wait to hear it from the horse's mouth. sm
Though it really makes no difference to me one way or the other. I never considered him a Republican. I think he is a fiscal conservative. He said on another link he is apolitical. Should be interesting.
that's just joe, yeah right...open mouth, insert foot, every day
I wouldn't believe a word out of Pelosi's mouth if she were the 2nd coming....
She cannot be trusted to tell truth if her life or ours depended on it.
And the reports are right...Obamarama IS #2 on the take list from FM and Franklin Raines. He has only voted "present" in his 143 days as a senator, and he will tax the rest of us to death as his "wealthy" tax base evaporates. Trickle down poorness in my opinion.
Good one. Open mouth, insert foot.
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Biden sticks his foot in his mouth all the time...(sm)
But there's a difference between gaffes and a lack of knowledge, much less a willingness to pass FAIR legislation.
Biden sponsored the violence against women act and has had to fight republicans to extend the life of that bill every time it comes up. He is a very strong advocate for women. Check out his voting record.
Obama has opened his mouth and stated his opinion
about everything else during this transition, why so silent on Israel?
Ooooo nice side of the mouth slight
I'll give you kudos for that. So..let's begin shall we?
First, you state that I must be uneducated and narrow minded. Would it make a difference for you to know that I am a direct descendent of the very person that wrote Uncle Tom's Cabin? Would it make a difference for you to know I am married to a military veteran and neither one of us are very flag waving, apple pie and Chevrolet? Would it make a differnce for you to know that I happen to be very educated simply because I am not narrow minded?
It was stated in the very articles that I have read about the reasoning behind Gitmo, which I did read again to see if maybe I had missed something, that some prisoners expressed their wishes to die, not because of the conditions at Gitmo, but for jihad, etc. ok, then where are they supposed to go? Should they be given asylum in the US only to blow something else up? Their own countries don't want them back. Where is Obama going to put them?
I see your attacks as coming from someone who assumes that one who posts a differing opinion is wrong or narrow minded or whatever else you'd like to come up with. I am all up for a nice debate, but I believe if you want to talk about it you should not assume the other is ignorant because their beliefs are not similar to yours.
Gotta love this woman. She needs to put her money where her mouth is...
buy an energy-efficient car and drive back to California. One plane trip from DC to CA puts more crud in the atmosphere than I don't now how many cars in a year's time. But I don't see AlGore or RFK Jr. driving Yugos instead of flying. They might try a little "Do as I do" instead of "Don't do as I do, do as I say." It might give them a tad more credibility...? lol.
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