I can hardly think of a poor man who ever ran for president. Lincoln maybe.
Posted By: Lila on 2006-05-21
In Reply to: I second that. Plus more. - Republican but not proud of it
My Republican values are just as strong as they ever were. But I have been disappointed in President Bush at times. I will stick with him though. But not without question.
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O reads Lincoln. O admires Lincoln.
O identifies with Lincoln (a Republican, I might add). O refers to Lincoln. O researches Lincoln. O appreciates Lincoln. O values Lincoln. O respects Lincoln. O holds Lincoln in high regard.
Nobody said O was Lincoln, but because of the affinity he has for Lincoln, it is very likely you will hear O linked with Lincoln hundreds and hudreds of times more. O. Lincoln. Get used to it.
Poor, poor MT. She can't pick a fight with anyone on her own board tonight and must come here to
Poor Poor Rush. Hey, how is AIR AMERICA
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He's no Lincoln
Getting sick of people interjecting Lincoln's name as though it will convince people that Obama is like Lincoln. He is NO Lincoln. Far from it.
Second Rahm Emanuel is advising the O and the O is doing what Emanuel says.
No, he's not Lincoln...(sm)
However, he does seem to be influenced by Lincoln's approach to government--the same argument that pubs made that he was influenced by Ayers.
He's doing whatever Emmanuel says? I think I'll wait for some proof of that.
Then they should try Lincoln, too.
For approving Sherman's march to the sea.
Honestly, BB, are you getting all your news via msnbc suppositories these days?
Rembering A. Lincoln s/m
This might be a good time to do some research on the Civil War and it's causes. It actually started years before the war. The agricultural South demanded cheap labor (sound familiar?) and the more industrialized North trampled States rights (sound familiar???) Members of Congress whupped up on each other (Republicans vs. Democrats???) Eomotions ran high (sound familiar?????). End result: The saddest war of all time with brother fighting against brother, father against son.
My G-Grandfather died on the battlefield where the December re-enactment takes place, one of some 2700 soldiers on both sides to die. Family stories handed down tell that my G-Grandmother and other women would carry food to the soldiers in the evening when they stopped fighting and the Union and Confederate soldiers would talk and exchange tobacco together. The Civil War was not entirely about slavery.
Do we see history about to repeat itself? I think it is a serious possibility. We had all better stop fighting about Republican/Democrat and get to the issues. No one is talking in this election about serious issues...like illegal immigration and its impact on jobs and the economy.
To the poster below with whom I have been talking about good ole Southern food, our menu will be pinto beans, johnny cakes and dried apple cobbler, prepared in cast iron pots, way better than the maggot-infested salt pork and hard-tack the soldiers ate as food was in very short supply. There will be other food vendors preparing more modern fare.
Well there is always the Lincoln bedroom....
LOL. Bill and Hill rented that one out for campaign contributions. LOL. Sigh.
You could start by considering Lincoln's
and take it from there. Keep in mind, Lincoln was republican. IMHO, Obama could do worse when it comes to mentors.
Lincoln and civil rights
Although you are correct that Lincoln was a Republican, in those days, Republican was not what it is today, nor Democrat, no Tory nor Whig, etc. How could it be, the times they have-a-changed. He called himself a Democrat many times during his career and was extremely anti-slavery but did not fall in with the abolitionists. What with Republicans, Democrats, Whigs, Jacobins, etc. it would be really difficult to say one party abolished slavery.People from all sides supported and opposed it. Lincoln just happened to be president and the **War of Northern Aggression** quelled those who had seceded.
Lincoln was very anti-war, did not like the idea at all so the civil war was distasteful to say the least. He did, however, have no problem enlisting and personally fighting in the European versus Sac Indians war which makes him not my most favorite president...but then, everyone makes mistakes. He did that in his younger years.
The civil rights act I have always believed rests with LBJ. He is not my favorite either. In fact, I did not like him much at all, but he did, in his predecessor's memory, carry the civil rights act to fruition. I remember him saying on the day that he signed it, the south is lost to Democrats as of this day. Here is a link of the timeline. It is pretty straightforward, comes from LBJ for kids site so it is not overly lengthy or boring.
http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/lbjforkids/civil_timeline.shtm
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There's a special on PBS tonight about Lincoln
The author stated Lincoln suspended the right of habeus corpus and the constitution to justify his causes....so maybe this is why O is following along those lines.
Hope it's not on late. I can't stay awake past 8:30 anymore. 
A message from Abraham Lincoln-1863
Abraham Lincoln's Thanksgiving Proclamation
(1863)
The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequalled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle, or the ship; the axe had enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years, with large increase of freedom.
No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy.
It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and voice by the whole American people. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to his tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.
Done at the city of Washington, this third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the independence of the United States the eighty-eighth.
By The President: Abraham Lincoln
William H. Seward, Secretary of State
On 2/16 on history channel a program about Lincoln
Think its called Stealing Lincolns body. Looks interesting.
I'll be sure to watch this one tonight. I saw it advertised the other night when I was watching Sense and Sensibility.
Reality: Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Kennedy,
Truman, Nixon x2, Ford x2, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton x2, Wx3....all targets of assassination, 4 successful....not to mention RFK, MLK, Medgar Evers, etc.
Assassinations happen. I have seen 17 of them in my own lifetime. Of the 17, at least 8 of them were directly related to hate speech. What is REALLY frustrating is to witness the same tired cycle play itself out over and over and over again and have people attempt to extract the hate speech out of the equation. Intentional or not, it was there during this campaign out of the mouths of McCain and Palin, their campaign staff and their followers. To deny this is insane and indicates to me that the value of human life for some is very tenuous and equivocal.
Poor, poor Obama......sm
and I bet you don't think that huge press conference, surrounded by the adoring media masses, pandering to poor me (O) being taken advantage of....you don't believe that was political grandstanding?
Tsk tsk.
If customary deference to a sitting president by president elect
for the rest of us who understand such concepts as respect and traditional protocol, it would qualify as a darned good reason.
Poor man
That poor man, what he went through..I dont know how he survived.
The poor just need to die, right?
I don't know where you live, but where I live, you are better off working. Clinton cut welfare down to a pittance - 40 hr work week for $123 per week. Kids get Medicaid. Ah, can't forget the food stamps - must begrudge these sloths food!
In Nazi Germany, the Jews cooperated in their own destruction; the Nazis found a form of defection that looked to desperate Jews like cooperation, and they boarded the cattle cars. The message of the Contract Republicans seems also to be that the only cooperation we seek from the desperately poor is that they vanish. The message is that we do not care how they do it: die, leave or metamorphose into something else; just don't disturb us on your way out.
I know what it's like to be poor.....
I know what it's like to consider paper towels a luxury. Where Banquet salsbury steak, macaroni and cheese, hotdogs, rice and oatmeal was all I could afford to eat. I see that again in my immediate future due to job loss and illness in my family. If I'm in that 30%? So be it. We'll make it. We always have. I just refuse to worry about it.
Poor kid, he is confused, isn't he?
Poor people are not the only ones
so blaming obesity on the left IS the joke. Rush isn't poor is he? What about Cheney and Rove? I am well aware of the report he was referring to (I read it too) but describing *bloated tummies* and Unicef is sick and I don't see how anyone can call it satire. Further, what difference would it make if the link worked? You jumped to his defense without even knowing what the article said.
Poor Hillary
So Bill is now coming out saying people are picking on Hillary.
Oh the poor baby. Wasn't she the one who said "If you can't stand the heat....."
Whether I like her or not is besides the point. This is an election and Bill & Hillary need to realize if you want to win you have to work towards it. It's not going to be handed to you.
Yes, I realize she is working hard, but so is Barack Obama. Do you hear him crying when she makes a racial statement about him about how nobody "white" is going to vote for him?
Grow up Bill & Hillary!
And a poor one at that. It bombed.
Poor Judgment
Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".
It was the OP who said poor were unintelligent, not me....
I was quoting her. It is ridiculous to state something like that. The best people I know never went past high school and are the smartest people, rich in common sense, I ever hope to meet. Sometimes the best knowledge does NOT come from a book.
Your grampa and hootsy comment is just nasty. I have heard every debate, I watch Obama every time he is on the tube, and he is the master at dodging questions. He never gave an interview to anyone who would ask him hard questions until last month and he has been at this for a year and a half. But you never hear Obama followers say that. Because whatever he says, even if it is beating around the bush, he says the magic words I will punish the rich and give all of you in the middle class a tax cut...and that is all they want to hear. Democrats have been saying that same old stuff for years...when in the past were you much better off than you are right now?
I am actually better off financially now than I ever have been. I have survived both Republican and Democrat administrations and just worked my way up to where I am. I am not rich, but I am comfortable. And Obama is intent on taking that away from me. Don't expect me to be happy he is doing it, or that you are helping him do it. lol.
Have you always been this hateful toward the poor?
such hostility toward the working class you so strongly assert to be defending is dead-end dialog. That 95% IS the "working class", as you call them. I prefer the term income earners. If you had any clue about the true state of this economy, you would realize that not only is the 95% tax cut feasible, it is exactly what we need and it will be coming at exactly the right time when we all need it the most.
I do not live in a universe where taxpayers line up and bend over while they bail out corporate welfare deadbeats and turn a blind eye on themselves and their children. It must be a very dark world you come from where you seem to thrive on the energy it takes to sustain such hatred in your heart for the poor. My sympathies.
Poor is subjective
My mother made less than 10 an hour, raised two children on her own, managed to pay a house note (the house was falling apart but it was ours), pay for a piece of an automobile to get her back and forth to work. We didn't have anything to speak of, but she never took a penny from the government. She wasn't raised that way and it hurts her to this day to watch all those that now live in her neighborhood on HUD, paying as little as they can get by with, when they still bring in more than her.
Her total income for the year is LESS than 12 thousand a year and she still manages to pay her bills. But those neighbors manage to get all the freebies and extras courtesy of my mom while she watches the nice cars in front of their HUD houses, which she can't afford, nice clothes they wear, jewelry hanging all off their necks and arms. Their kids are walking around with EXPENSIVE clothes on their butts and walk the streets up and down, up and down all day long. They are LAZY. THey have been raised to be LAZY. In this day and time it is sad to know there are those adults out there that continue to raise their children to believe they are "entitled". So very sad.
In these cases, they are not poor, but the government would consider them "poor", even though they have more than my mother, who can't get help at all. Now you figure that one out.
And, the one who gets the HUD house lets everybody and his brother live with them, free of charge of course, so it's like one big 'ole party all the time....music blaring, sick disgusting rap crap, throw their trash in the streets, filthy mouthed. It's sickening.
Poor doesn't always equate with lazy. You're right and I hope your daughter can do better somehow. Her husband should be forced to pay for his child and his fair share and she would not have this problem.
Maybe she should get in touch with all those neighbors around my mom. I'm sure they know the system so well they can tell how her to manipulate the system to get whatever she wants.
Poor Joe the Plumber is going to have
to worry about paying taxes. Turns out he doesn't have a plumber's license nor does his employer which is required by the county. No license, no work, no taxes. Poor Joe.
Isn't the poor the ones that get the welfare now?
So what's your complaint? You think they need more? Fine, give them everything you have and we'll call it a day!
They are both in very, very poor taste and should be
taken down. It is truly amazing what some people will do.
That poor man wasn't even...
...technically an "employee." He was a temp, so I guess he wouldn't even get life the insurance benefits that an employee might get. 
I hear how the poor are
tumors living off the lifeblood of hardworking Americans. Throw all the immigrants out. But, you berate a woman, who out of obvious desperation poisons herself, because she cannot see her way out of pregnancy. Talk about double standards. You probably support the death penalty, too.
Poor baby...(sm)
Using the term "teabaggers" is rude? I shouldn't ridicule others with different beliefs? Give me a break. You guys have consistently ridiculed anyone who agrees with Obama time and time again on this board, as well as those who just don't agree with you. Rude? How about Kool-Aid drinkers, Obamatrons.....you know the list.
The problem with you is that you can dish it out but can't take it. If you plan on teabagging effectively you might want to consider growing a pair. 
Excuse me if I'm not sympathetic to those poor,
And talk about moral values! To be more concerned about the profits of a drug company and the fear that the government might "strong arm" them into possibly SAVING THE POPULATION OF AN ENTIRE COUNTRY in a time of WAR is absolutely shameless and reflects a total lack of values.
But that IS the "red" way of thinking, isn't it? Big business must always come first.
Conservatives don't care about the poor...
NOT!
America and the Poor... |
Wednesday, September 14, 2005
By Bill O'Reilly 
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America and the poor, that is the subject of this evening's Talking Points Memo.
The aftermath of Katrina has produced a debate over poor Americans. There are about 37 million people living below the poverty line right now. The issue was described this way by Newsweek (search) reporter Evan Thomas (search), a liberal guy but not alone, who writes, Liberals will say [the authorities] were indifferent to the plight of poor African-Americans. It is true that Katrina laid bare society's massive neglect of its least fortunate.
Massive neglect? Let's take a look at that bit of overstatement. Halfway through President Clinton's tenure in office in 1996, the poverty rate was 13.7 percent. Halfway through President Bush's tenure, the rate is 12.7 percent, a full point lower.
In 1996, the Clinton budget allotted $191 billion for poverty entitlements. That was 12.2 percent of the budget and a whopping amount of money. That's why Bill Clinton (search) was called the first black president by some.
However, the Bush 2006 budget allots a record shattering $368 billion for poverty entitlements, 14.6 percent of the entire budget, a huge increase over Clinton's spending on poverty entitlements.
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So sad..we need a foreign leader to help our poor
Venezuelan heating oil will be distributed to poor
U.S. communities via the
Venezuelan-owned oil company Citgo.
Credit: Venezuelanalysis.com
<http://Venezuelanalysis.com>
Caracas, Venezuela, November 18, 2005The
Venezuelan-owned and
U.S.-basedfuel refiner and distributor Citgo will
begin distributing discounted heating oil to poor U.S.
communities next week. Rafael Ramirez, Venezuela's
Minister of Energy and Petroleum, made the
announcement yesterday, saying that the measure is
meant to show Venezuela's commitment to disadvantaged
sectors in the United States.
Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez had originally
announced the measure last August, while the U.S.
civil rights activist Jesse Jackson was visiting
Venezuela.
The launch of the discounted heating oil program is
meant to coincide with the Thanksgiving holiday and
will benefit communities in poor communities of
Boston, Massachusetts and of the Bronx, New York.
The first phase of the program will begin in Boston
and will provide 4.5million liters (1.2 million
gallons) of heating oil at discounted rates, which
will mean a savings of approximately $10 million.
According to the Venezuelan government, the discounts
will be achieved by eliminating middle-men and
having Citgo deliver the heating oil directly to the
communities.
Accordingly, the plan does not involve any losses to
Citgo itself.
The logistics of the plan will involve non-profit
community organizations, which will help with the
selection of beneficiaries, distribution, and billing.
Heating oil costs are expected to reach historical
heights this year, which means that many poor
households might have to go without heat, despite
limited state programs to subsidize heating oil for
low-income
families.
Citgo is a wholly owned subsidiary of Venezuela's
state-owned oil company PDVSA and operates five
refineries and licenses 14,000 gas stations throughout
the U.S.
I thought that was in poor taste.
And still think so.
definitely shows poor judgement
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This poor little Sam person is really pathetic. (s/m)
It seems this person's whole identity & self-esteem revolves around monopolizing this little medical transcriptionists' politics forum. Seems like a waste of your time & energy. If you REALLY care so much about your views & your party, instead of wasting your words on an obscure little politics forum, why aren't you out volunteering for your candidates? Your 24/7 comebacks to nearly EVERY post on this board that disagrees with YOUR beliefs suggests that:
a) You have no job.
b) You do not sleep, eat, or go to the bathroom.
c) You absolutely CANNOT let a person with different ideas have the last word.
Therefore, it seems that you would be the ideal choice for ANY political party to be out canvassing your neighborhood, organizing fundraisers, distributing propaganda (um, I mean literature), etc. to support your candidate.
So the question is, if you are such a 'talented' and 'knowlegeable' political afficionado, why do you waste your time & energy here?
Unfortunately, there are not enough people willing to give to the poor!
Greed is rampant in this country and as the greedy saying goes, "charity begins at home." Therefore, something must be done to help those who are unable to help themselves. If people need to be forced to give, so be it. Whether they are blessed for it or not is of no concern to me. Call it whatever you want, I call it human decency!
The truly poor already get money from the taxpayer.
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.....Not very lucky for the poor rabbit.....
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I am so sick of that excuse for the poor....
I don't know where you live but in this town, black children and white children, and some illegals, sit in the SAME classrooms side by side. They all have the opportunity to learn the same information, regardless of their color or financial situation. And, I might add, if it weren't for the "rich" as you put it, though I question your definition of rich, a lot of these children would not have clothes or food, not because they come from poverty but because they have SORRY LOUSY PARENTS. Now, by all means, please tell me how Obama is going to fix that......he going to go in that poor child's home every day and tell their momma to get her butt home from the whorehouse and the bar and take care of her children? He gonna tell their daddy to get off his sorry lazy butt and take care of his children and stop knocking up every girl he can? The children who are not financially well off do have a good thing going for them however. THey have parents who work, get off their lazy butts, and do not feel ENTITLED to my money. They do not think it is the government's place to take care of them, house them, feed them, do their thinking for them. And, I guarantee you they do not want Obama in there because a lot of them feel he is the problem, the "black" leader who thinks he can take care of the problem. Well, unless he wants to come down on the parents for being bums, then I suggest he get he get off that kick. Stop talking about poverty as if those better off are in some way responsible for the poor.
If it weren't for the "better off" around here who own businesses and have the ability to hire, where in the heck do you think the people would work?
RICH is not a bad word. And I can guarantee you if you were rich, you would be singig a different tune as would others who seemingly have a problem with the "rich". They would be laughing all the way to the bank and b*tching for all it's worth if they thought the government wanted their money.
And I'm not talking about poor who have fallen
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I do not hate poor people!
I do, however, have a problem with people who could work but would rather live off of the government. There are a lot of those kinds of people out there. They could better themselves but they just won't. The ones who can't help their situation....I have no problem helping them. But it is the low life scum sucking weasels who just want handouts that ruin it for the people who truly need help and Obama's plans would just enable these weasels to keep being losers.
All these government plans are gonna cost money and yet Obama is supposed to give us all tax cuts.....where he is going to get that money if he if cutting all of our taxes. who is footing the bill....huh? Cuz I sure as sh!t know that Barry Obama isn't gonna pay for it all on his own.
Oh, poor thing.....they need you to protect them
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You poor bitter person you
First of all, I am NOT a republican, never have been. Don't worry, I am fully aware of the 401K issue, and I can guarantee you all my eggs are not in one basket. But the ones that are in there sure as heck do not need to be further taxed by Obama for all his entitlement programs.
I too was born to a very poor family and we NEVER took one red dime from the government and I did without plenty. My mother would have lived under a bridge before she accepted money from the government and she was a single mom raising children when my dad died. We had NOTHING before and had nothing afterwards. Now, minimum wage. I know minimum wage. I worked for it all the way through putting MYSELF through college, not the government. My husband who came from a family of 6 children, dirt poor, also worked his OWN way through college and paid his OWN way, not the help of anyone either. He dug ditches, sewers, hauled hay in 100+ degree weather and so many other disgusting jobs you wouldn't touch. Now for those of us who didn't sit on our butts and feel sorry for ourselves, I do not feel sorry for anyone who thinks they are too good to work.
Everyone may not want to go to college but don't criticize those that do. In my county, ANYONE, ANYONE who graduates from a school in this county gets two years FREE college education.....ANYONE. Know how many take advantage of that? Not everyone that could. They're too lazy to make the effort and word hard. I suppose you have an excuse for that too. You better believe if they are making minimum wage then, it's their own fault. They had as much opportunity to better themselves as the kid sitting next to them in school. They just want a free ride because so many see their familities getting one. What's the motivation really!? No, you can't take it with you but the people savoring it as you put it should be the ones who actually work for it, not the freeloaders.
Sorry you think ONLY republicans are smart enough to educate themselves and make a living for themselves. How said for you. I'm independent....those can make their own way too!!
But you're right,everyone will be in for a big shock with Obama draining their wallets. Even the minimum wage earners are going to whining and b@tching and who they gonna blame then? I'm sure they'll find someone besides Obama though.
So get off your pity pot and grow up.....stop living in your past. THat's the problem with all our young people now. They didn't live it but they sure have plenty of people around them who raise them to feel sorry for themselves instead of motivating them to go as far as you can.
Don't worry - he's for helping us poor MTs
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If that was a joke, it was in very poor taste!
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Yeah, they have been in the news for poor
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