I can't speak for "pubs" ....I'm not one....
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-04
In Reply to: My biggest problem with the 'pubs is you guys ain't - got no sense of HUMOR.
and I do have a sense of humor. But attacking someone personally and making them the butt of pretty tasteless jokes is not funny to me. Not funny about Obama, not funny about Biden, not funny about Michelle Obama, not funny about Cindy McCain...not funny about Sarah Palin. You guys go ballistic if someone says ANYthing about Obama. And just yuck it up tearing Sarah Palin to pieces. That goes way past "a sense of humor."
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Now did I say the "pubs" had no part in it?
This article says an untruth when it says: Mr. McCain was never a leading critic or defender of the mortgage giants.
This is what McCain said in 2005 with his proposed legislation:
Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae’s regulator reported that the company’s quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were “illusions deliberately and systematically created” by the company’s senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.
The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae’s former chief executive officer, OFHEO’s report shows that over half of Mr. Raines’ compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.
The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator’s examination of the company’s accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.
For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs–and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO’s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO’s report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.
I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.
The Democrats killed that bill.
Barney Frank, Democrat, pushed fannie/freddie to extend those subprime loans to minorities/lower income people who did not have a hope in heck of paying them back.
Top CEOs at fannie...Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick, James Johnson, and timothy Howard...two of who were Obama advisors until recently....all left Fannie with millions and we are left holding the bag. Chris Dodd, democratic head of banking and commerce committee...looked the other way. He is top recipient of donations from Fannie. Guess who is #2?
Pubs may have had a finger in it...Democrats had both hands up to the elbows in it. Just plain old fact.
A word from Ike for you "pubs"
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/11/04-0
Guns are not all the "pubs" are worried about....
but it is a legitimate concern. It is a guaranteed constitutional right. Why would you defend other constitutional rights and be so willing to give that one up?
Personally I think all the give me all the handouts you want to at the expense of others posts are getting pretty darned old.
I dont believe any "Pubs" used Ayers home to kick
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Well I can only speak on what I saw.
I didn't see a post about Nan being old and to die in hell, so pardon me on that.
And I didn't say that you had left before. Reread the post. I was walking about Nan having left before basically, and said she wasn't coming back.
Odd, that you should speak for gt SM
One might think she doesn't have a voice of her own. Or one might think other things.
Sure, but I can't speak for the others. nm
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So now you speak for God. Wow, gt. sm
You are more of an elitist pig than I thought possible. But I mean that in a good way. Am I fried now?
So now you speak for God.
That was only one of the sites. And God forbid people are brought to Christ.
SO WHAT??!! WHERE DOES IT SAY SHE CAN'T SPEAK?!
Nobody told her she doesn't have the right to speak.
That's quite a stretch even for YOU, MT. 
as we speak
POTUS is lamenting the state of government -- of course it is all the fault of Congress. He tries and tries but "they" prevent any movement. Poor chimpie.
I have a right to speak
out about the incompetency of the supposed "leader" of the free world. Each episode of ignorance, distortion of facts, and deception needs to be brought into the light and examined repeatedly. It is cumulative. I brush aside the label of "bush bashing" as another neocon attempt to frame the issue. I will continue to post as I wish and to refuse to engage in discussion with anyone whose purpose is simply to gain attention, even if negative. I do feel compassion for those so abused and ignored throughout life that they will take any acknowledgement as life-affirming, but I do not take it upon myself to feed their insatiable desire to be noticed. I am encouraged by the split in the repub party into small groups of supporters, but the dems have got this pres election in the bag anyway not only due to their fresh, positive approach but the self-destruction of the repubs by their own arrogance and corruption.
I can only speak to myself....
but I pray concerning basically every decision I make. Not because I think the decision is God's will, but that whatever His will will be done. I saw the same clip (I think) and I think that is what Palin meant, not that the pipeline itself was specifically God's will, but to pray for the success of the venture, ask that it go well, but in the end, God's will be done. God is very real to us and praying is just communicating with him. Talking to him. It is a relationship, like with a dear friend. That is the best short description I can give. This is from my experience only. Others may not have the same experience.
speak for yourself
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Speak for yourself
I have briefly (mercifully) lived in an fabulous neighborhood consisting of a bunch of old guys who only cared about golf and their wives who had faces stretched back to their spine and stapled. It was really very boring. Give me the rich vibrancy of a middle-class neighborhood any day. Just my opinion!
did he ever speak out against it at all? nm
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sorry to say, he is on Fox as we speak
with all their promises, which sound just great, but who is going to pay for all these great promises?
Perhaps you would like to speak to.....sm
letters that are being sent to pastors of churches in our area (and maybe nationwide, I haven't researched it yet) that tells them if they mention anything political in the pulpit, then their church will lose its tax-exempt status. While I don't go for politics in the pulpit, I also don't go for the government telling pastors what they can and cannot preach about.
It would seem to me that one side is just as guilty of "crossing party lines" as the other.
Once again, you know not what you speak.....
Indonesian lawyer DOES give the parent the right to renounce the child's citizenship to another country. The U.S. does happen to recognize this with Indonesia, so it was done and the papers were there to prove it. Only when Obama turns of age could he RENOUNCE his citizenship with Indonesia, which he has not done.
The attorney I speak of is in New York and has been doing this for over 30 years. He deals with foreign adoptions every day and each country has its own red tape and laws. Indonesia is one he has spoken of many times with regards to Obama and those attorneys who have dealt one-on-one with Indonesian law know this.
You seem to belive all countries recognize the United States.....they don't. BTW, during the time Obama was in Indonesia and adopted by his stepfather, the laws were clear that no one could go to school in Indonesia unless they were an Indonesian citizen, i.e., Obama.
And, yes, it does matter what Indonesian law says because Obama is Indonesian by adoption. He has NO papers proving his U.S. citizenship in the first place but he does have papers proving INdonesian citizenship, of which he has not renounced as of today.
Matter of fact, the only papers he has proving ANY citizenship is that of Indonesia and Kenya, when his father was alive.
Sorry to disappoint ya......
Maybe you should just speak for yourself...(sm)
instead of assuming that everyone is like you.
The whole 9/11 is being rewritten even as we speak. SM
A lot of new information coming out and guess what!!!! It does not point out, as you and others have said ont his board before, that Bush had anything to do with it. I am not sure what you hissy fit throwers are gonna do about that. By the way, I think this post serves as a classic example of what is wrong with the Democratic party of today. Anti-Americanism in its pure form. Michael Moore would be so PROUD of you!
You do not speak the truth, either
The truth is different for different folks. What about all the service men and women who 100 percent support the anti-war protests? Do they DARE to speak?
You may not realize it but there are MANY ex-military and current military who DO NOT SUPPORT THIS WAR!!! You need to look beyond what you only want to see.
And if being anti-American means to oppose what is morally wrong, well....I will say no more.
Please do not claim that you support our troops. That is not the truth either. You support the current administration's war/invasion plan, but not the troops.
You speak to an Army mom this way. Says a lot about you. nm
Don't tell her she doesn't have a right to speak
If Cindy Sheehan had the right to spew her feelings Army Mom has that right too. Works both ways as bad as you HATE it...
They told her she did not have a right to speak and a lot of other
pretty awful things as well, Democrat. I am sorry you are so blinded by the hatred that was shown to this poster. Besides, she never said she spoke for everyone.
Army mom, you don't speak for all.
You have a right to voice your opinion and support whom you will. You do not have any more right than the next person to speak for all the troops. At the very moment you having your how DARE you moment, you yourself are attempting to speak for all of them. I know for a fact you are wrong in doing this because I read military message boards frequently and there is no one view represented on them. In fact the majority at this time are anti-Bush and anti-Iraq war. If you don't believe me go and read them yourself.
Isn't it time you stopped lecturing others for wanting to bring the military home from a mission they can't possibly win by any measure of the word and put your outrage to work where it will actually save lives? They can't win. I'm sorry. They could fight until 2020 and all they will do is die. They are not accomplishing anything. It is not their fault! It was the mission itself that was a losing proposition from the start and for that they can't be blamed, they are just doing their jobs as they were trained to do and for that we admire them. But they can't win. There is nothing TO win. There isn't any shame in that. We have bad leaders who did no planning, a bunch of war-avoiding chickenhawks. They are the ones you should be outraged against.
And don't hiss at me - I'm a veteran myself and I know a military snow-job when I see one. As our military deaths double, so does Halliburton stock. Our leaders and their rich friends have no reason to stop the killing and they have every reason to continue it. Our sons and daughters are the pawns in their money-making schemes and don't you think they know it? Most of them do. That doesn't stop them from performing their missions and it doesn't make them cowards simply because they see the game plan for what it is. They CAN'T protest the war. They are not in a position to do so. They rely on us to do it for them. Only we can bring them out of the hell hole. Our leaders are not going to do it unless we demand they do it in a unified voice they can't ignore. Demanding that the troops stay IN Iraq for an undefined mission without end in a war against a vague principle while war profiteers grow rich on their blood doesn't make any sense. THAT is what Cindy Sheehan is saying- not that America isn't worth fighting for like Sean Hannity loves to vomit every other sentence to the gullible and Viet Nam-shellshocked.
THE MISSION IS UNWINNABLE. It's the mission that is not worthwhile, not the troops themselves. Why waste more lives for no purpose? Sunnis want to kill Shiites and you care - why? They have been at it for 700 years or so. We won't change that whether we leave today or five years from now. Wake up. Look at it realistically. Every day we remain Cheney's friends get richer and more mothers lose their loved ones. Come on. Why do you support that? Why would you support the agenda of chickenhawk cowards with all its stinking profiteering undertones more than you support your family member's chance to live life? And why are you angry at those who want to save your son or daughter's life, at those who feel his chance at life is far more important than any contractor's bottom line or egotistical leader's plan to strut on a stage of war glory? Because that really makes no sense. I'm a mother too. I know you want your soldier home safe in one piece regardless of his political views. So why do you fight so hard against those who want exactly the same thing?
Do you always speak of yourself in the third person? sm
I see no difference in your writing style. Same old stuff.
I was presuming to speak for those ...
Only I know who was included in we and the we I refer to are well aware of who they are are are fine with being included in we. And, sigh...it really does not matter to me if my post does not make sense to you, or if in reading the explanation to you it remains obtuse. Sighhhhhhh.
I can't speak for Lydia. sm
but I don't think it bothers us as much as it disturbs us. I don't know how old you were during Vietnam. I was in college when my husband went to war. My father had just come home. I had rebeled in my late teenage years and decided I most decidedly was not a Republican. I don't know why, just a transition I suppose. Anyway, I saw first hand the entire face of America change in Vietnam. I was confronted with the war protesters and the slogans and the chants and the posters daily. I grew to dislike it. I saw what it was doing and I moved away from it. At some point, I realized, it was time to grow up and construct a profit-and-loss statement of my commitments and their consequences. Some very high profile names had their awakening and taking stock moment at that time and they moved away from the left, as well. I was never a leftist. I do believe I was a true Democrat though, at least for a time. The leftists drove me out. They have taken over the Democratic party and transformed it into something men like Zell Miller no longer recognize. It's too bad. There was a time it was a party to be proud of.
Speak for you own baby...
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You can't speak for all of us. As a woman,
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Maybe you'd better speak slower
It's okay for you to talk down to me and insult my intelligence, but it bothers you if I come back with a similar response. I didn't take kindly to your smart-aleck reply. If you want to disagree fine, but don't insult someone else and not expect the same treatment back in return.
Speak of Sam, what happened to her? nm
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I can't speak for Chele
but I am not against the poor. I am against keeping me down until the poor catch up. I would probably be considered low income as my husband and I brought in $24,000 last year between the both of us. But you know what? I have taken a second job this year, and he finished his degree and graduated. We are WORKING towards bettering ourselves. Not waiting on someone to come by and say "hey, here's a check for being poor."
Most people that are poor are so because of what they have or haven't done. Yes, there are some people who legitimately have bad luck and can't ever get out of the hole. But more often than not, it's the bad choices they made, the drugs they did, the school they dropped out of, etc. Most "poor people" are able-bodied individuals who could go get a job and start to work their way up out of the hole. But they give up, pop out ten babies, and let the government take care of them. I mean it's a sweet deal isn't it?
What makes me sick is driving by the project 8 low income housing in my area and seeing these folks who only pay $60 a month in rent yet they have BMWs and Yukons and all these nice brand new vehicles parked out front.
But, by all means, please lets continue to "take care" of them.
Yes, those people who are rich by illegal means should be taken down. But those who have worked their butts off to get to the top are not evil. They shouldn't be punished for achieving what you couldn't. More than likely you could if you wanted to.
Yes, I am an MT. I enjoy this job, but I want to do something more with my life. Therefore I will work two jobs and take classes online until I can get my degree. Is it going to suck for awhile? Oh yeah. But you know what? In the end, when I have that degree, and I'm one of those comfortable "rich" people you hate so much, I'll be able to look back and know that I got there on my own. I didn't climb up anyone's back or grab onto their coattails to get there.
No one is against the poor. Those who are legitimately in the dumps and need a hand should get it. But only to get on their feet. Then they need to get out and work just like the rest of us!
STOP THE HANDOUTS!
I assume you speak for yourself
I care about it. Speak for yourself, not others
But I guess you think that's how this country should run.
Yes, I saw him speak today as well
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The troops speak
Replying to a post below, I thought this would be a good link in a separate message in case people skip over it below.
The US Military troops speak and here is what they say - 68% for McCain, 23% Obama. Here is the link below.
http://activemilitaryformccain.blogspot.com/
So if you take that, plus Obama has a 5 point lead over McCain in today's polls, plus the 11% who are not decided it is a very close call. November 4th is going to be an excited day for sure.
Please do not presume to speak
If you are so frustrated with repeating this paranoia over and over, then DON'T. That would be a welcome relief for us all. The people who voted for him (and those who did not, for that matter) know NOTHING OF THE KIND. There is not a single, solitary grain of truth in this mass delusion and certainly no proof exists to back up any of this BS. If there were, Berg would not have sought his legal action based on "standing." He would have actually been able to present something concrete.
No one here is violating the Constitution, but the loons who insist on pursuing their law suits to nowhere are making a mockery out of our justice system, not to mention the fact that they have now taken to internet extorsion scheme to finance their lunacy.
You are really not dealing with a full deck if you seriously believe your floodgate statement. There is nothing derogatory about the sore/sour epithets, since they accurately describe the motivations behind all the hoop-lah.
A US citizen has been elected, so don't worry your pretty little head about our Constitution. Obama is not strutting around anywhere. He is selecting his cabinet and preparing himself for the unenviable and daunting task of mopping up after W. He holds a 192-electoral vote lead over McCain, so no doubt the process will continue as it is supposed to and the result will reflect the will of the American people. The only possible miscarriage of justice here is the wack jobs' unsuccessful attempts to usurp a clean, legitimate election which has resulted in a very clear mandate for Obama.
No one has to wonder why Obama "skirted up" so fat (whatever that means), but you go ahead and ponder that one a while longer. Who knows, you may actually have a moment of insight that will reveal just how ignorant this birth certificate witch hunt really is. The people who are promoting this stupidity are an embarassment to our entire nation.
It is good to think before you speak!
At least Barack Obama thinks before he speaks, which is something everyone should do, especially our elected officials. I would rather have someone like Barack Obama who thinks carefully about his words than someone like George Bush or Sarah Palin who are barely able to put together a proper sentence, much less make any sense!
Why7 & how to think before you speak.
This is a lesson everyone should learn!
http://www.wikihow.com/Think-Before-Speaking
Thinking before you speak
What masses are you talking about? Who exactly thinks they're going to get freebies? Who worships the ground he walks on?
The guy thinks before he speaks because he's a thinker. He wants to make sure that what comes out of his mouth is exactly what he wants to convey.
It's easy to hurl unfounded insults, isn't it? You don't have to think to do that.
Gimme a break.
Well..........your comments speak for themselves........
As per one of your earlier posts: "People in this country don't care if another attack happens on our soil, just as long as a democrat is sitting in office." What do you call that? How do you know what people care about? Seems as though you are only interested in your own "thoughts" and "feelings."
Too bad more of the doctors don't speak out. (nm)
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I just did the same. Let's speak up, people!
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The post was *so now you speak for God, gt* Her answer yup.
What is wrong with you? Time for new glasses????
Then ignore me. Let those who value debate speak with me.
That shouldn't be so hard to do for one as tolerant as you.
Nobody's telling her she doesn't have a right to speak.sm
She just needs to realize that everyone does not feel the way she does and YES, I have family members who are in Iraq right now who do not support this war, so the OP was not exactly right.
Can only speak for myself, but I'd rather their tax burden be FAIR.
I thought YOU guys were the ones who swore by capitalism and applauded people who worked hard to succeed in life. It's very telling how you swoon over the one who was born rich and never had to work a day in his life. Says a lot about your work ethics.
LOL! Let's see....poor young southern boy works hard, grows up to be successful. I smell a lot of conservative JEALOUSY in the air, and it stinks.
I agree with the scenario you speak of.
but there is also talk of growing fetuses for harvesting. I do not agree with that.
Did you ever see the Arab professor speak about this? sm
It might help you to have an Arab point of view. All of you are making a huge mistake by not knowing the enemy and allowing yourself to be swept away by politics. This is so much bigger than politics. Many of you have lost any objectivity and reality that you ever had to turn all your attention and your focus on hating Bush.
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