I believe you're missing something
Posted By: AnnuderMT on 2009-05-07
In Reply to: Where's the lie? You didn't watch his world tour - speeches.....head in a hole? nm
I agree with Obama on this. The fight that we should be having (not necessarily the one Dubya got us into) is not with Islam. Much like that lunatic 'Reverend' Phelps does not represent all Christians, the Taliban does not represent all Islam. Unless you're wishing to start the kind of holy war that you are (mistakenly) condemning Islam of waging, you have to learn to differentiate moderate Islam from radical Islam, and accept that our facts that a war should be fought not based on religious beliefs but rather evil deeds.
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You're not missing anything! (sm)
And (SURPRISE!) there are no lies.
Gore waited for two years before speaking out about the Bush agenda. On the other hand, Cheney is coming out after about two MONTHS, on a repeated ramage, appearing on every political show that will have him, is sending out his DAUGHTER to parrot his views and, in short, is trying to undermine the Obama administration. Cheney first denied using torture and now is proudly claiming ownership of it.
No lies here. But you obviously already knew that. 
You're missing the point.
Her age dictates his eligibility to run for president. There are lawsuits out now regarding this.
I think you're missing the point...(sm)
World economy, eliminting industries, creating new ones -- all things that can be dealt with.
Extinction of humans -- not so much.
If you don't listen to Rush, you're not missing much. sm
The Quotable Limbaugh...
On homosexuality: "When a gay person turns his back on you, it's anything but an insult - it's an invitation. The difference between Los Angeles and yogurt is that yogurt comes with less fruit."
On the homeless: "One of the things I want to do before I die is conduct the Homeless Olympics. The 10-meter Shopping Cart Relay, the Dumpster Dig, and the Hop, Skip and Trip."
On NAFTA: "If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people--I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs, let the kinds of jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do--let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work."
![](http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/pundits/rush-limbaugh/rushy.gif") On Native Americans: "There are more American Indians alive today than there were when Columbus arrived or at any other time in history. Does this sound like a record of Genocide?"
On feminism: "Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream. Women were doing quite well in this country before feminism came along."
On feminazis: "Militant feminists are pro-choice because it's their ultimate avenue of power over men... It is their attempt to impose their will on the rest of society, particularly on men."
On corporate layoffs: "Why is it that whenever a corporation fires workers, it's never speculated that the workers might have deserved it?"
On Kurt Cobain: "Kurt Cobain was, ladies and gentleman, was a worthless shred of human debris."
Speculating as to how a Mexican won the New York marathon: "An immigration agent chased him for the last 10 miles."
You're missing one crucial point
No where in there did you say that these white evangelical ministers are spouting hatred towards black people, calling them "less than human" or spouting about "black liberation theology" or the teaching of "Dr. James Cone".
Now if our "white preachers" were to go on and on about "white theology" and if our websites said "a white congregation" we would be immediately portrayed as racist. But it's okay for the United Trinity Church of Christ (Obama's church or former church, whatever) to have all over their website that they are a BLACK church. See for yourself:
http://www.trinitychicago.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=27
So I take it a white person walking in there wouldn't be very welcome?
Talk about racism.
You're missing the point. She's not talking about
people like your stepdaughter. She's talking about all the free loaders who won't get off their lazy butts and get a job even when they are more than capable of doing so.
When I was little my mom struggled to feed the two of us because my dad was a deadbeat. She went to the welfare office asking for just a little help to feed us. They told her that she made too much money but if she quit her job, they would pay for everything: housing, food, everything. She could have easily taken the easy route and taken them up on their offer but had too much integrity. Here she was making too much money in their eyes but many weeks only had $5 after bills to feed herself and her only child. Now that is a messed up government. I'm all for helping people help themselves. Pay for day care while they get an education, pay for food while they work to better themselves but NOT pay for them to drive fancy cars, have satellite that they watch on big screen TVs, and eat potato chips and ice cream. Get real, open your eyes, and quit making excuses for the lazy! We're not talking about the needy. Yes, there are people are mentally or physically unable to work. That is NOT who we are talking about!
what am i missing?
i went to links, and i don't see it, just about the underground facility that the govn't has that i've known about forever...concentration camps???
You are missing the point. SM
It is known that Laura Bush was the driver of a car when she was very young in which someone was killed. However, much embellishment to that was made that she was drunk. When I asked for a credible link to that, you simply ignored me. This is not debate. It is throwing wild accusations out there and then refusing to back them up with verifiable data. I liken this to small town gossip, not a lot of truth to it, probably going to hurt someone in the end, but it sure is fun when we are making up stuff. Since you don't care what I think about you, you won't mind if I tell you that you have shot any credibility you still had left. Now, I will adjourn from "your" board and go find some adults to communicate with.
The link is still missing. nm
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some of it is missing, not just the pics.
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So what is your point - I'm missing it
I read my article a couple times. I'm not seeing what point you are trying to make.
I think every one is just missing the point...
see anyone's view but your own.
This is to what I was referring.
"Like a lot of folks in this state I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test, with which I have no problem.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them??
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sitting on their butt. Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?????
You are missing the point
It's not what he eats, its the sickening fact that the poster said he is like because he eats what we do.
Yeah, there IS an echo. Please listen before attacking me.
What point are you missing here?
Have you just not read anything? You seem to have inflicted this feeling on yourself. I have said nothing about the working people accepting welfare or food stamps when they have fallen on hard times. No one called you lazy.
I realize you are just too upset to actually read what I am stating and perhaps because of your personal circumstances, you feel you're being attacked, but if you would actual read what I have stated above, I believe you would see the point I talking about.
The point being I am not talking about the working people who through no fault of their own having to accept welfare, food stamps, or any help they can find for themselves or their family. I am talking ONLY about those who DON'T work, have never worked, and do not EVER intend to work receiving all these things you are trying to receive.
Don't you believe you, a person who has actually worked and tried to pay your own way in life, should have these things offered you over someone who has offered nothing productive to this ountry but taking?
Would you rather be turned down medical help or any help in the future because the money just isn't there because we have spent it by the trillions on those who have never even worked a day in their lives? I say to you accept everything offered you. You shouldn't have to have hospitals pull strings for you in the first place; you should be getting medical attention regardless, which is the point you are missing.
Those who NEVER work and are on Medicaid and receive all their care from the government, always get medical attention. Those like yourself who do work are having to struggle to get medical care. What part of that do you not see as unfair?
Link is missing LVMT...nm
What's missing is a valid premise.
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What's missing here is your understanding of this thread....
it is about infants born alive after botched abortions and left to die without care. Partial birth abortion is when they turn the baby around in the womb, let all but the head be born, then stick a needle in base of skull and suck the brain out to collapse the skull and make sure the baby is dead before it comes out, to avoid that pesky being born alive thing that proabortion people so hate.
At least get your facts straight and know what you are denying before you deny it.
And yes, he does support partial birth abortion. He supports removing the ban on that heinous procedure. His wife sent out a campaign letter while he was running for senate in Illinois that said that very thing.
Sheesh.
Looks like it was a point worth missing.
you decide to let us in on what that elusive point might be.
Don't feel too bad. Obama is missing it too...sm
which will result in one of the many reasons he will lose this election, and be relegated to being one of the greatest "could have beens" in history, and never be heard from again. No big loss really. Maybe if he can get overcome his "present" voting style, someday he'll be back...but I highly doubt it.
He's history.
You are missing the entire point. How sad. nm
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I gues I'm missing your point
The whole text seems to actually reiterate the fact that one of the founding principles of the country is freedom of speech, even that which you don't agree with it. This lunatic Phelps is going into a community that is openly "Gay is Okay" with the only intent to cause problems, and the whole article is about the discussion of ways to circumvent Phelp's plans.
I think you should maybe read up more on the activities of Phelps and his group before using him as your poster child as a good Christian. Based on the military's 'Don't Ask/Don't Tell' policy toward gays, Phelps has felt it okay to go to the funerals of soldiers who have died honorably while serving their country in Iraq and proudly waved signs saying their deaths were retribution for the military's condoning of homosexuality. Frankly, even if I was a bible-toting, salvation-seeking, Christian who faints at the mere thought of gay marriage, I'd probably still want to distance myself from Rev. Phelps as much as possible.
Isn't the Bill Maher board missing you?
your link & good sense are missing.
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pardon my missing comma (blush)
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Only thing missing is Michael Jackson....way
Nicely worded but you are missing an important point
I don't know the history of your posts, but when you suggest: "Democrats/liberals, start your threads, and I will not encroach upon them. I would ask for the same respect from you as I post independently. There will be no need for you to open any of them or to spend half a page piling on. I will respect your threads. Kindly respect others."
You are forgetting at least two things:
1. If we are supposed to NOT be divided as you post toward the end, WHY would you actively ask people with different opinions NOT to respond (encroach) on your threads? Do you want ONLY people who agree with you to respond? Think about that before you answer.
2. Until/unless the moderators CENSOR this board and not allow anyone to post to anything, it's not up to you to tell me or anyone else what they can post, or where. You say in your post: So let's allow both sides to present views, support their candidates, exercise our right to free speech, have diverging opinions.... but telling people not to encroach on your space and vice versa is the antithesis of "allowing both sides to present view... have divergent opinons.
Finally, don't be too sensivive: If someone responds to my post with hate, an insult, etc., I can simply CHOOSE to ignore the post. Choose your battles.
As for me, I have total respect for Senator McCain's *military* experience, but I don't want someone who has voted 90% with the most corrupt 'president' in our history - to be in charge of my America for the next 4+ years. He's not a Maverick, he's a hypocrite and bush minion.
I had that happen one time too...a post turning up missing. sm
And all I did was say I felt other posters were being too harsh. That was it. So I emailed the moderators and the reply I got was that if somebody complains about a post, then all the replies associated with that post are also deleted along with the offending post.
I hope this helps shed light on your missing post.
And I think everyone that thinks the issue of his BC is not important is missing the point..
if indeed he was born elsewhere and he is hiding it, what a way to start a presidency. What else will he hide or lie about. JUST have a judge look at your certificate and validate it for EVERYONE, so that we can feel comfortable in knowing.
Chairman of Missing and Exploited Children Caucus Resigns...sm
But not before he solicited at least two teenagers via email/internet. See articlee (be sure to read on and see what he says to them).
You're entitled to your opinion. I guess it depends on what side of the spectrum you're on.nm
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We're not defending Bush we're pointing out the obvious
All you see in your view is Bush, Bush, Bush. Nobody else exists. You have yet to answer any of the questions I posed yesterday. We're not the one obsessing about Bush. I'm sure you'll counter that with I don't owe you any answers! It's really telling that for five or six days this board was mute about the Israel/Lebanon situation. You were too busy posting trash news about Bush like nothing was even happening, but I know that the left has wait for its talking points. You all cannot formulate opinions on your own. You have boilerplates ready to go though. *This is Bush's fault because _____________ but you have to wait on Howard Dean, Bill Clinton, etc. etc. to fill in the blanks for you. It's not just a phenomenon here but with all the left. You can count on at least two days of silence when something unforseen breaks out in the world, because they have to retreat to their bunkers to get their talking points straight, but it will always start with *This is Bush's fault because....
Hey, if they're smoking cigs, they're paying for SCHIP.
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They're too lazy to show patriotism......they're waiting
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So you're not racist but you're most definitely SEXIST and AGEIST!!!
"Someone more in our age group..."
"She should be taking care of her family."
Your true colors are showing, and they're truly ugly.
Just because they're LOSING doesn't mean they're VICTIMS.
What is it with people these days? You think that just because Hamas is getting its fanny handed to it that that magically makes them victims, and we should all weep and throw cash at them?
From the dawn of time, lesser civilizations have fallen to stronger ones.
It's why the human species survived and the neanderthals didn't.
It's why Rome conquered the Celts.
It's why the Barbarians conquered the Western Roman Empire.
It's why the British conquered the American Indians.
It's why the Spanish conquered the Aztecs.
It's why the Muslims conquered Israel the first time. But, since their societal progres seems to have permanently parked in the Stone Age, now Israel is conquering them right back.
Deal with it.
You're right. They're simply not worthy of a reply.
They're not tax breaks....they're tax credits
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I'm snotty, you're rude...we're even....
My dearrrr....not everyone in this country pays taxes. So you are wrong there. Obama said "spread the wealth." From his own mouth. The interview in Canada...economic parity and redistribution. Words from HIS mouth. If you believed those words from his mouth as much as you believed other words from his mouth, you would know he is a socialist. Selective memory is a wonderful thing ain't it??
You're right. They're all wack-jobs... nothing
so they try to make themselves feel important by standing around on street corners with their posters and their dollies.
Most of them are just buffoons, good for nothing other than being laughed at by the rest of us. But the ones that totally lose all reason, and go so far as to shoot people (in a church of all places...) is pretty off the deep end.
You're a liar. GT didn't curse. You're a filthy liar, but you are a gift from God.
God sent you here to as a constant reminder of the kind of person I DON'T want to be and if I ever have a bad day when I feel temporarily stupid, all I have to do is read your posts, and I realize there are those out there who are much worse off than I am and for them it's not temporary.
They're doing to this board what they're trying to do
to the whole country. They're trying to take it over. They want to control which God you believe in, who you love and what you do with your body, be it regarding life or regarding death. If you don't voluntarily agree to turn your free will over to their control, they will hunt you down and nag you to death (since they can't do anything more violent on a message board). It's obvious they are sick, sick people and need major help.
But they ARE like watching a car wreck and are sometimes hard to ignore.
I've thought about it, and for me personally, the very best thing to do is ignore them and for 2 reasons:
1. Ignoring them and not reading their posts makes my visit on this board much more pleasant. I already know I'm not missing anything because there isn't one post on this entire board written by them that has contributed anything of value or intelligence.
2. If we all refuse to read and respond to their posts, they might give up and go find another board to terrorize. I doubt that, though, because they've taken over this board and simply don't have the CLASS to leave. They take pride in their bully on the playground mentality and are proud of their ignorant behavior. They will probably just continue to pat themselves on their backs on this board. The only thing that might startle them and cause them to stop is that the NUMBER of posts on the Liberal board are starting to increase heavily as a direct result of their posting. In the past, they've used the Liberal board's lower numbers to trash us for not being as interesting, when, in fact, the CON board must be pretty boring if they are always choosing to be HERE instead.
Like I said, I've decided that I'd like my visits here to be pleasant, so I'm just going to stop subjecting myself to their cesspools of attacks. They've proven their posts aren't worth wasting time reading, so I'm just going to stop and will feel much better as a result of stopping. 
Your not you're. I hope you're not an MT. nm
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They're children, though. They're not
adults. Mom and Dad need to know these things even if only to possibly prevent problems later.
You're welcome.
If I find anything, I'll be sure to post it, but I doubt he's going to be saying much. I think he understandably wants to distance himself as far away from this administration as he can.
I wish he would run for President. I'd very proudly vote for him in a heartbeat! I'd finally be able to vote for the best candidate instead of the least worst one.
I agree with you, and I admire and respect him very much.
So I take it you're on your
so you don't mind your grandchildren paying their fair share, right?
Bush Tax Cuts = Tax Shifts
UFE Report: Tax Burden Shifting off Wealthy onto Everyone Else
$197 Billion in Tax Cuts to Top 1% of US Taxpayers as Big as States’ Budget Shortfalls of $200 Billion
BOSTON — A new report, entitled “Shifty Tax Cuts: How They Move the Tax Burden off the Rich and onto Everyone Else,” from United for a Fair Economy (UFE) indicates that between 2002 and 2004, the Bush tax cuts to the top 1% of US income earners redirected billions of dollars in revenue that could have eliminated virtually all of the budget shortfalls in the states.
“Congress had the option to send aid to the states to prevent $200 billion worth of service cuts and regressive tax increases,” said Chris Hartman, UFE’s research director. “Instead, they gave tax breaks totaling roughly the same amount to multi-millionaires and the rest of the top 1%.”
The report identifies five main areas of shifting tax burden:
FEDERAL TO STATE — a 15% shift in tax burden between 2000 and 2003
PROGRESSIVE TO REGRESSIVE — at the federal level, a 17% decline in the share of revenue from progressive taxes and a 135% increase in the share of revenue from regressive taxes since 1962
WEALTH TO WORK — A tax cut on unearned income — such as inheritance or investment — of between 31% and 79%, but a tax hike on work income of 25% since 1980
CORPORATIONS TO INDIVIDUALS — a 67% drop in the share of federal revenues contributed by corporations and a 17% rise in individuals’ share
CURRENT TAXPAYERS TO FUTURE GENERATIONS — record deficits that shift the tax burden to our children and grandchildren
“When President Bush and Congress trumpet, ‘Here’s a tax cut', we say, ‘Taxpayer beware!’ said Chuck Collins, United for a Fair Economy co-founder. “Unless you are super-rich, it’s a tax SHIFT, not a cut. Non-wealthy taxpayers will pay for these tax cuts with increased state and local taxes or cuts in public services.”
“Between 2002 and 2004, a full $197 billion in new tax breaks went to the top 1% of American taxpayers,” Hartman commented. “This is money that has disappeared into the pockets of the very wealthy, making it unavailable to solve ongoing budget crises at the state and local levels.”
“I got a rebate check last summer for $400,” said Collins. “Then my eight-year-old’s public school asked me to contribute money to replace worn-out chairs for the students. At the same time, I found out they laid off the librarian because of budget cuts. What good is a $400 tax cut when parents have to cough up additional money for chairs and books or else see their children go without?”
The report concludes that the total federal, state and local tax burden has become increasingly the responsibility of middle-and low-income families in recent decades, and that revenues being generated by taxes are not sufficient to pay for existing public services. Work in particular is being taxed at a higher rate than investment. “I do a lot of work in predominantly Latino areas of Boston,” said UFE Education Specialist Gloribell Mota. “Residents there are the working poor — they have jobs and pay taxes — yet are getting pennies in tax cuts and seeing health care services they depend on slashed.”
“The Bush administration has followed a strategy of starving public services by pulling tax money away from education and housing and giving it away to multi-millionaires,” said Karen Kraut, UFE’s State Tax Partnership director. “States are suffering as a result, and people are going without essential services in order to fund the lifestyles of the rich.”
The report calls for tax reforms to improve the fairness of tax distribution and ensure adequate revenues. Concerned Americans are urged to pass resolutions in their cities and towns to stop the tax cuts and restore local services that have been affected, to call and write their congressional representatives to take action to stop the cuts, and to sign the Tax Fairness Pledge at www.ResponsibleWealth.org/taxpledge.
The co-authors of the report are Chuck Collins, UFE Co-founder; Chris Hartman, UFE Research Director; Karen Kraut, Director of UFE’s State Tax Partnerships; and Gloribell Mota, UFE Education Specialist.
United for a Fair Economy is an independent national non-profit that raises awareness of growing economic inequality.
You're not getting it
if the Attorney POCKETS most of the winnings how are they any better than the greedy corporations? Since you think one is more morally ethical than the other eventhough they may both be doing THE SAME EXACT THING....then the debate has ended as far as I'm concerned.
I never said don't come over there, you're the one
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You're welcome.
Have a great day.
You're welcome.
I didn't know it existed, either, but I think it's a really great site and wanted to pass it on. Some of these guys have said they're afraid to speak the truth and feel they're taking a chance by doing so. 
You're welcome, gt.
You're welcome and you're right.
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