I assume you were there at his birth?
Posted By: gourdpainter on 2008-11-27
In Reply to: He was never a US born American citizen - JEEZ - Do we have to repeat this
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Assume all you wish. TI
I have no idea. The fact is, it was linked and your words discussed. A good laugh was had by all once we realized you really have no idea what you speak about. What you say here speaks for itself. Isreal is an evil aggressor, no Israelis, women or children, have ever died at the hands of our enemies, we deserve what we get, and we are a plague upon the face of the earth. That's what you have said, not in those words but in those thoughts. At least stand behind your words, as foul as they may be to some of us. We have met your kind all over the world. There are more and more of them all the time.
Then I must assume you are against
all of the killing and anhilation of life in Iraq too. But of course, this is just assumption on my part, I could be wrong. By the way, those embryos are going to be destroyed, as in thrown out. Does this constitute killing of embryos? Amazing how some people cannot see things in an encompassing manner.
You assume too much
You assume that everyone who protests never says thank you and does not appreciate the military and that is wrong. As I said before, I was a government employee in a military installation for many years. I do appreciate what these men and women do every day. My father and father-in-law both served in Vietnam. They are both huge war protestors and I am proud to march along side them.
That doesn't mean I have to keep quiet when I don't agree with a military action. Protesting war does not necessarily equal protesting the military. I do agree many are disrespectful, many of us are not and will continue to exercise our rights as long as we have something to say.
Why do you assume that... sm
Planned Parenthood doesn't spend as much time and money offering contraception as they do abortion? *Of course* they do.
But I'm not surprised you aren't familiar with all their services, as you seem unable to see anything other than ABORTION-ABORTION-ABORTION!!! (Which, in looking at the volume of posts you've written on it seems like a rather unhealthy obsession, IMHO.)
My gosh. How sad that that's what you got out of that story. The story was about premature babies dying, not abortion, and yet you somehow turn it into an attack on Planned Parenthood and abortion? What the heck???
And before you assume, no, I am not
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Why do you assume...
That the only reason people have against voting for Obama is 'fear?' You must think we're all a pretty uneducated bunch, huh? Right back at ya.
And you need more information on ACORN. Or you're in complete denial. I don't know which one.
Don't assume
First, it is rude & completely illogical for you to equate "breast enhancement" with atheism. You're making leaps from "breast enhancement" to "what a Christian would never do" (& that in itself I find suspect) to "what a non-Christian always does." & you even go one step further, you think you can actually substitute some product (which you've already mistakenly associated with a certain group) *for* that group. It's ridiculous, flimsy, shrill.
A product is not a belief system, but I find it typical of the "black & white," simplistic, narrow form of christianity I unfortunately encounter from time to time that you think the world is divided into "me/not me" and everything outside that tiny circle is somehow all part of the same large conspiracy to deprive you of something.
Second, I would find it completely out of place to screen a pro-choice message at the Superbowl. Why? Because it is a belief system & has no place there. Condoms? As has been posted elsewhere in this thread, plenty of christians use them, & for reasons other than a promiscuous lifestyle. It's a product, used by lots of people for lots of different reasons. For that matter, I would imagine there are women who've had their breasts enlarged for reasons of self-esteem who would be offended by the idea that they did it in order to facilitate promiscuity. In a perfect world, I suppose things like this wouldn't matter & we would all have self-esteem no matter what our shape. The world isn't perfect -- but it is what the godhead made.
Why would you assume..(sm)
that we pay for everything they do? They actually do have money of their own. We aren't talking about Palin here. LOL.
No, I am outraged that you assume so very much.
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I assume you are speaking of me.
First of all, for your information since you obviously cannot or will not read, I despise Bush. Your intolerance tells the world (these boards are read by the world, after all) that the liberal left in the United States has become the party of intolerance, anti-Israel, anti-American. You don't appreciate the freedoms you have and you live a world coloured by hopelessness and despair. I really pity you. Since I don't vote in the United States, I am neither left nor right. But of course, it's easier to label and name call, as you seem so very good at. The realisation may hit one day that you have a very narrow view of the world out there.
You just assume that anyone who disagrees with you is a ....
*gasp* Republican. I'm not. I am not adverse to intellect. I just don't happen to think that attacking an innocent 16-year-old girl because her mother is in a different political party is particularly intellectual, nor do I think it defines those who engage in as particularly intellectual. But that is just me.
I would hope that Obama would be equally as incensed if someone attacked one of HIS children. I know I WOULD BE.
I did not assume you didn't, I was just asking if you did...
which is a valid question.
As to politico itself, sorry if I misunderstood. From your post I did not discern that you meant to that site only. I apologize. Thanks for the clarification.
Am I to assume then you are all on board for...
America becoming a socialized nation and earmarking a certain percentage of our tax dollars to go to fight "global poverty" in addition to the billions we already send overseas....you are a citizen of the world before you are a citizen of the United States? Or you just ignore those parts of an Obama presidency?
You automatically assume
You assume if there is something negative said here about Obama, then that poster MUST be for McCain. Well, that is not the case. BTW, Palin doesn't have to look far to cast aspersions on Obama. He's done that to himself.
I assume you speak for yourself
I assume you mean the sad part
is all of our brothers and sisters who refuse believe because they can't "prove" God's existence. I don't feel sad that the end times are near (I believe) for myself but I do believe the Bible tells us that in the end EVERY knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. It also tells us not to be afraid, something I struggle with, yet I know that in my rather looooong life, He has provided that which I needed, sometimes things I didn't even know I needed. He has also allowed me to suffer the consequences when I went against His will. Whatever part of the tribulation we have to endure, I am sure He will make a way for us. And I do believe we are entering into the tribulation.
why do you assume they didn't
u know what they say about assuming
Just assume and judge all you want. I AM
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You don't know me or my faith - so don't assume
And looks like the saying is true about people who assume things.
I assume you are writing all this from Iraq?
Otherwise don't call anyone a coward but yourself. If you support this war, get off your flabby butt and get over there.
When Hitler sent the German army into an unpopular war, were the Germans who wanted the war stopped and the troops brought home cowards? Did they not show support for the troops by questioning Hitler's war? They were admirable and good people to stand up in the face of the German political administrations' choices!. They LOVED their troops but did not LOVE Hitler. Some of the German troops who died in Hitler's misguided war were my husband's relatives. And no, Bush is not Hitler so don't try misquoting me on that. The point is, not all wars are noble and good, despite what your proteswarrior group might say. And just because a PERSON or administration got us into a deadly MESS doesn't mean we should remain in that quagmire and continue letting our troops be killed, whether it is the Civil War, Vietnam or Iraq. Gee, at one time even the Civil War seemed like a good idea. 650,000 lost? Was it worth it? Maybe other alternatives could have been explored?
You hawks are not going to get it. Us libs can love our troops and support them but we cannot love and support this war. We can't pretend this is a good and noble cause.
I am not willing to assume that 1.2 million babies...
would have horrible lives. I can't see killing them all just in case some might suffer. But how is our choice to decide whether or not someone lives based on what kind of life they might have? I think it should be the choice of the creator, myself. I am curious as to what you think your creator thinks about choosing to kill an unborn child? I think mine's heart breaks every time one happens...over 2000 times a day. Yes, that's what I think.
It's quick? It's horrible but its quick? Good grief!!
You keep discounting the right of the child to live. Who are you, the mother, or anyone else, to say that child has no right to live? Do you think your creator endowed you with that right? Just curious.
I did read the whole thing, why do you assume that I
didn't? Just because I didn't feel that it was racist, doesn't mean I didn't. We obviously have different takes on it.
The release of it I was referring to was to the politico.com web site, which Obama did relase it to, not the thesis as a whole.
I assume you mean Rev. Otis Moss?
If so, I have read his bio and I see that he is a protoge (sp) of Dr. Martin Luther King for whom I had great respect. I expect the blogs and other anti-Obama sources would rip him to shreds though. Guess I can expect to see posts about him here tomorrow.
Going to bed now.
You assume a lack of compassion....
but your snotty self-righteous attitude speaks for itself. Get over it.
imposing to assume that I am not informed
because I disagree with you?
How do you assume that my world is small?
How can I believe the rest of your comment and your whole state of mind when you state such nonsense?
What is this supposed to mean, I quote, '....so find a different name to call me?'
I cannot recall having ever met you on this board, Victoria, or whatever your user name is?
Is tht so? So I assume that you are a flip-flop,
WHAT exactly made you change your mind?
I assume Goggle works as well for the left as for the right but here are a few
http://www.celebatheists.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
There are 49,100 other entries. And most of them are not right-wing.
Linked to a Jewish blog? I assume someone from sm
the conservative board did that. I am opposed to war and weep for all victims of war. My criticism is aimed at the state-nations responsible for them, including my own.
You just told another poster not to assume things about you. sm
And then you turned around and did it to me! Boy howdy, I bet the 60s were a blur to you! Ah, well, just wee weeing in the wind here. Nothing of substance. Move along crowd, nothing to see.
I assume you are referring to a single photo of him...
and I assume you don't know the exact moment that picture was taken - maybe before or after the actual pledge was recited? Regardless, I support Obama 100%, and as I have said many times: No candidate is perfect, but he is an exceptional human being and can literally help "save" this country, and Lord knows we need some savin up in here! I am very optimistic about the outcome in Iowa.
You assume its "abuse of power",or you hope.
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Racism on this board? Not fair to assume that.
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Because I read and research! Dont assume you
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Why assume that flag-flying was this individual's
There's nothing in the story to support your assumption that flying the flag represents this individual's complete understanding of the notion of patriotism.
On the other hand, flying the flag IS certainly ONE expression of patriotism - a form of protected speech, in fact - and the ONLY question here is not whether this individual has a simplistic view of patriotism, but whether displaying the flag should have been prohibited.
We'll just call this your quota of "straw man" logical fallacies for the week, shall we? You may not post another one until next week.
So by posting this, you assume that all liberals feel this way about Christianity?
I certainly know that is not true. No one has a right to judge any human being's Christianity but God. Yes, I know your headline said *liberals only* but, of course, that is an invitation to look, isn't it? I doubt seriously that this writer knows how *the majority* of Christians feel on anything, including the death penalty. He also shows a very marked lack of understanding and knowledge of what is in the Bible. Though I am not an Ann Coulter fan, I have never known her to lean heavily on her Christianity when speaking. The last time I looked, there is no picture next to Christianity in the encyclopedia.
Pro birth control....s/m
I'm definitely not pro abortion, but am pro choice in, what should be, the rare event of unexpected pregnancy, and in that case I think that the woman herself should be the one to decide whether to terminate the pregnancy or not, and if so, it should remain a safe, and legal option. It's an extremely emotional, and difficult decision for most women to have to make in that situation.. I did a quick look and see that the abortion rate in the US has declined from 1996 to 2002. I'm going to look for statistics from 2002 to the present when I have more time. I think the key in the main is stressing birth control measures, and also making those measures affordable to all women across all socio-economic groups.
Birth control is....
used to prevent pregnancy......not kill an innocent child AFTER it is conceived. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!! How do you people sleep at night?
As far as birth control....I have not seen anything about...
people wanting to remove birth control. Just because an individual elects not to use it does not mean they do not want anyone else to have access. With this permissive society liberals have created there is really no choice but to provide it.
Yes, there are natural causes for miscarriage. That is leaving it up to God. For us to put the life of an innocent child totally in the hands of someone else to choose whether it lives or dies, just as a personal choice, I believe is wrong. Just as those in these orphanges murdered children...it is murder. Killing an innocent for no reason other than "oops" is wrong.
What overturning Roe vs. wade would do is put it back in the hands of legislators who, by the constitution, are the only ones who can enact laws. The Supreme Court should not be enacting laws. They are to interpret...not legislate. I believe it should be overturned because it is unconstitutional. Then put it to a state-by-state vote. Some states would outlaw abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or life of mother. Some would outlaw it, period. Some would allow it in all forms. But at least it would be the will of the people.
Why do you think congress has never tried to pass an abortion law? Even when the democrats had control? Even before Roe vs. Wade? The truth is in the pudding.
birth certificates...
I just pulled out my daughter's birth certificate to look at it after reading a post somewhere below that said that Obama's birth certificate did not have a lot of information on it that birth certificates have (such as weights, name of particular hospital, etc.) and guess what - neither does my daughters. It has the raised seal and is signed by the American consulate of the United States and states that she was born a female in Nuernberg, Bavaria, Germany on (insert date) and that it was recorded on (insert date).
Nowhere does it say what hospital, what time, who the parents are, what the birthweight was, or any of that stuff. This is just an official copy that they gave me and they kept all that other stuff on file.
So, if my daughter is most definitely an American citizen and it is not on her birth certificate - why would Barack Obama's necessarily have to have it? Maybe it was not their custom in Hawaii at the time he WA born to put all that on the birth certificates. So just because it is not there does not make it a fake.
birth certificate
 As in the words of Archie Bunker from "All in the Family" to his TV wife Edith: "Stifle yourself...geeeez".
Birth certificatem(sm)
I agree with above. No way would Obama have been elected president if he wasn't a legitimate candidate. Believe me when government employees have to undergo background checks these days, I am sure he was subjected to the same plus more. To me this is just a loud-mouthed, disgruntled black man who probably in his mind thought he was going to be our first black president. Too bad Obama beat him to the punch. 
I think it is just like the birth certificate - it won't go away. nm
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BTW, there are much better birth control
options than birth control pills. One of them IUDs, when those are in, there is nothing to 'forget' about them.
That you can say this about partial birth abortion sm
says to me that you are a proponent of relative morality or that you have no idea what partial birth abortion entails. Once a society starts with the whatever seems right to you mentality in regards to life, then we are doomed. Pardon me if I say that I am so glad I am not you.
Not everyone has the same access to birth control. sm
I guess you didn't watch 20/20 this past Friday night? You can view it on their website. Go to http://abcnews.go.com/2020 and click on Watch: Babies in Memphis
I think everyone who is interested in this current thread would find it interesting, whatever your opinion on abortion is. It was called "Babyland" because that's what the locals call the cemetary where all the premature babies who die are buried if their mother can't afford to bury them.
It was about how the poverty-striken areas in Memphis, TN have much greater rates of premature births and deaths of babies than the more affleunt areas. Why? Lots of reasons, but probably the main one is lack of money, which means lack of prenatal care. No insurance and no easy access to a free or low-cost clinic. Lack of education. The girl they profiled was 18 and pregnant, and they showed another girl who had gotten pregnant at 12 yrs old, now a mother at 13. I mean, yeah, a 12 y/o shouldn't be having sex - she's still a child, but how in the world would she have access to birth control? She wouldn't.
It showed how the closest clinic is only open during the day (and only 1/2 day on Sat., to cut costs). No evening or weekend hours, so what are you supposed to do, take time off work, which you can't afford, to go get birth control (or prenatal care, etc.) which you also can't afford? I mean to you or me it may seem like a no-brainer - if nothing else go to the drugstore and get a box of condoms for $10.00, or the Today sponge thingie, but maybe they don't even have an extra $10.00 (or the time and $ to take 2 buses to get to the drugstore?).
All I'm saying is, the situation is different for everyone. I've personally never had an easy time with any method of birth control I've tried, and it's a bit of a wonder to me that I've never had an unplanned pregnancy because of that. Maybe because of that, I try to be less judgmental of others. Oops, more to say but I've got to go...
Birth control would have been nice.
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I knew about birth control.
However, was I willing to go to my mom and ask her to put me on the pill. I knew my mother would have suspected my sexual activity and I didn't want her to know. Most teens also have the belief that "it won't happen to me." Now that I'm older, I see how some of the decisions I made back when I was 17 were poor ones, but at that time I thought they were great ideas. Do I blame my mom and dad for the bad decisions I made back then....no. Those were my decisions, my choices, and I had to deal with the consequences.
She supports birth control and ..
supports abstinence-only education in schools, but she has also said she does not support tax payer dollars to distribute birth control in schools. She is a member of Feminists for Life, which is an pro-life group.
Feminist for Life is a pro-life group that has had its positions distorted to show that they are against birth control. Palin critics (including many in the media) have cherry picked in order to smear Gov. Palin.
There is no proof. Birth certificate has been
The only proof you have is that you have no legitimate campaign strategy and your candidate's campaign is going down in flames over this relentless stupidity.
Obama birth certificate
I received an e-mail today that has been floating around. Any truth to Obama not releasing his birth certificate to prove he was actually born in this country? Any facts to back this up?
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