I apologize if I misinterpreted your post...
Posted By: sam on 2008-08-17
In Reply to: Keep your insults - To yourself
and I did not mean to be insulting. But...unless democratic platform principles have changed and now include redistribution of wealth, I do know the difference. Redistribution of wealth is socialist bordering on Marxist, and Obama has already said he was going to do it, in the form of the government taking the profits of a business and redistributing that money to people who did nothing to earn it. That is a dangerous precedent and starts headlong down the slippery slope of far left socialism. That has nothing to do with a kinder, gentler America taking care of each other.
Also...with all ue respect...social programs have run amok in this country and the main thing they have done is destroy ambition and the will to better oneself, ideals that made this country great. That hard work can move you up in the world...and it can.
And it has gotten to the point that the middle tax has been taxed into the "poor" class, trying to pay for all the social programs. I looked at the list of what Obama says he will do. If he does do those things, he will have to raise taxes, and not just on people who make $250,000 a year or more. And if you think about it logically...many of the small businesses in this country are at that income threshold. But just because you make $250,000 on paper does not mean you get home with that. The "rich" in this country already pay over 90% of all income taxes that go into the government. Seriously...don't you think that is enough? I am by no means rich, but I think that is enough. Obama is a Democrat, but he is also a socialist. Look at his history, who he has associated with throughout his adult life who share the same mode of thinking. Socialism never works. Invariably ends in dictatorship. Any time the government gets in the business of taking away something from the private sector saying it is going to redistribute to people who did not earn it...it leads to dictatorship. Cuba is a good example...Venezuela another one.
Believe me, I know all Democrats are not socialists. And I know advocating social programs is not the same thing as advocating socialism. However, what Obama says he is going to do IS socialism, far left socialism. The fact that he is a Democrat has nothing to do with his socialist tendencies. He is a socialist who also happens to be a Democrat.
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Well....sorry if I misinterpreted what you said...
however, if you will be honest, I think you take great joy in proving people wrong, thereby validating your own beliefs. But, again, that is MY personal opinion, I think that alone, not because you are liberal and I am conservative, just based on the content of your posts.
I do want to dispute something though...when I post an opinion, that is what it is. It is an opinion. Second, if you have done as much research as you say you have, you know how *facts* can be skewed, depending upon what source you get your *facts* from. Let's at least be honest about this.
Have a good day!
Sorry if I misinterpreted your comment.....
I suppose you meant he is acting like a teenager NOW? If that's the case, I completely agree.... unfortunately, his teenage actions could be detrimental to this country!
Okay, then I apologize. sm
I was just going from past experience. Merry Christmas!
Sorry, CG. I apologize....
I was just curious as to why you posted that, but none of my business, as Lucy pointed out. So...sorry. Ignore my post.
And I do apologize....sm
I assumed that your original post was about manmade global warming, since it was from a liberal media site, that didn't bring up the article.
You are correct. Global warming exists. Naturally occuring global warming. NASA is correct on this also.
Al Gore/ala an Inconvenient Truth, is not correct. No facts back him up.
No need to for you to apologize at all.
I totally read that with a "tone of voice" that you certainly did not intend. The fault is totally mine.
Have a great evening. :)
No need to apologize...(sm)
we all get frustrated on here from time to time. As far as Obama picking pubs for positions, there's the sec of defense, Robert Gates, and Lahood for transportation, and I think a few others. Someone said something about the pubs being picked are just token pubs, but I think if he is just going for token picks, it wouldn't be for sec of defense. I think this pick said a lot about Obama and his intentions.
I really do hope that he does listen to pubs as well as dems. As a poster mentioned earlier, there are good ideas in both parties. I'm not trying to paint a rosy picture here, but we really need to find some kind of common ground, and I think (whether successful or not) Obama is trying to create that kind of environment.
BTW, I like Rachel Maddow much better too. She isn't as blatant as Olberman, but she is a little sarcastic. LOL. I picked Olberman's video because it showed Obama going to the dinner as I was counting on someone to say that it didn't happen because it wasn't in conservative news. While I do think Olberman is funny at times, I mostly just go with the quotes and video he presents and kind of tune the commentary out.
Noone said the UN should apologize...nm
?????
Oh yes they do want UN to apologize.
North Korea threatened Wednesday to conduct nuclear and missile tests unless the U.N. apologizes for criticizing its April 5 rocket launch, dramatically raising its stake in the worsening standoff over its atomic programs.
Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry said in a statement the country "will be compelled to take additional self-defensive measures" unless the U.N. Security Council apologizes immediately. "The measures will include nuclear tests and test-firings of intercontinental ballistic missiles."
Apologize For What?
Barack Obama: 'arrogant US has been dismissive' to allies
President Barack Obama has offered an apology for the Bush era, declaring that America had shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive towards its allies.
His speech in Strasbourg went further than any United States president in history in criticising his own countrys action while standing on foreign soil........
Our European 'arrogance' in alphabetical order
SEE IMAGE BELOW:
If I added correctly the count is 104,366 dead and we have to watch any American elected leader who apologizes to Europe and the Middle East that our country is "arrogant"!
No need to apologize. It's
...crankiness that comes from watching the country being torn down piece by piece by the Monster in the White House.
On checking, it was not you and I apologize.
It was someone else below. So sorry.
Again, I apologize, Moderator.
Thank you for deleting the offensive word; thereby letting me know that it was inappropriate. I will be more careful in the future. Thank you for your patience and understanding!
sorry for overreacting.....I do apologize.
I just don't understand why where I presently live or the fact my husband is career military...why you think that has anything to do with what I post. There are Democrats in the military and there are Democrats in small towns who see things like you apparently see them....you don't think so? I also said I am not from Pennsylvania, I just happen to live there now because that is where the career has us at this point. Your life is polar opposite..meaning what? You live in a city, not close to anyone in the military....? What things about your life make your view of politics different than mine? And why do you think my life has to do with how I feel about politics? Just trying to learn here, not be confrontational.
Then I humbly apologize, had the same sig as you
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If it was not you, then I deeply apologize.
Must have been a different Shelly. I am sure that there is more than one. Have a good day!
I apologize for the confusion.
Please see my other post in response to yours. 
It was professional to apologize..
what are you missing here? They both explained they WAY they meant to say something. This is long over. Geez, it isn't that confusing!
Right on! Obama would rather apologize for his
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I'd be delighted to apologize to Democrat.
Could someone just please tell me why one is necessary and how my name wound up in your post?
Or are you just so blinded by your hatred of me that you can't see straight any more when reading these boards?
You poor dear. You should really see about getting rid of that hatred. It will eat you alive. 
I certainly apologize for the dear part.
It's part of my southern culture. I have never known anyone to have a problem with it. I am so very sorry to hear that the deaths of 20,000 men means nothing to you. Debated ad nauseum? I have seen no debate about this. There is no debate because it is true. The fact that the North Vietnamese say it is true should count for something, but I know how blinded some people can be. Have a nice day.
I apologize,,,,I should not have invoked the SP issue...
i am sorry.
Sometimes you have to put pieces together to get a picture. That is why I suggested first, finding out what Marxist theory is. And then start looking at that thread throughout Obama's life. Until I started going to the internet and researching, I had no idea. I had seen the name Alinsky in some of the stuff about his community organizing, but it did not click with me. When I went to the internet and started looking...there is a lot of information there. Shying away from opinion and he said she said, and just looking at facts...and then looking at the way the marxist theory is woven into his whole hope and change thing, the redistribution of wealth...and then to have Alinsky's son say he learned well from his father...
All I can say is, I am an Independent too, and if this was John McCain or Hillary Clinton (come to find out she was one of his students too) or Sarah Palin or anyone else...it would give me pause.
We are not talking about a senate seat where there is not much power to implement change...we are talking about the President of the United States with a majority democratic congress.
Everything I read in the article I posted at the top just makes sense. It all falls into place.
Definitely enough for this Independent to sit up and take notice. No one else has to if they do not want to. I am continuing to research.
Of course. I apologize. It is the nature of the left...
to ridicule. Part of the DNC DNA. What WAS I thinking.
It is easier to forgive someone when they apologize first......nm
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You should all apologize to Sarah and Bristol Palin....
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/08/30/dailykos-rumors-debunked-here-is-sarah-palin-pregnancy-photo-on-feb-10th-2008/
geezzzz, people.
I thought with the posts it would be obvious...so I apologize.
But Nancy Pelosi is not going to remove the people from their posts. Dodd and Frank should both be removed. They have not learned a thing from this; they tried to put an earmark for ACORN in the first draft of the bill. They have learned nothing. And no one seems to care. I just don't get it. Absolutely do not get it. The democratic congress will not police themselves, and their party will not police them either. I don't understand it. I don't understand how democrats on this board demanded accountability from republicans on every issue, from the Bush administration, and are absolutely unwilling to hold democrats reponsible when they are. Explain to me why that is. I would love to know why that is.
Why should Obama apologize for Franks or Dodd? He is not...sm
their keeper. John Glenn and John McCain did not receive a formal reprimand but were judged to have "poor judgement" with their naive support quashing an investigation of the doings of Charles Keating in the 1980's whose financial doings eventually caused the savings and loan crisis just 2 years later. $180 billion that time, probably more with inflation than now. Bill Clinton dug us out of that hole, and here we are again.
Okie dokie. Then I apologize to gourdpainter. Was...
just asking.
As I said above, come back to this same board and apologize when he does a great job!
Geesh! Give the guy a chance already before you knock him!
Did you ever hear dubya apologize for the crooks and...
incompetent morons he hired? NO. Heck, he wanted to appoint Harriet Myers to the supreme court. Talk about STUPID. Heckuva job brownie. Outing CIA agent. Scooter Libby. Jack Abramoff and his dastardly deeds - need I add to the list? Choke on that Kool-Aid, PLEASE!
Nope, you won't hear dubya apologize,
but that's all in the past, as are the crooks and incompetent morons Clinton surrounded himself with for eight years - no apologies there either, by the way. We're talking about Obama now and he's already appointed one tax evader and tried to appoint another, and he's only been in office two weeks! No Kool-Aid needed to see those whoppers!
I need to apologize for any posts I made tonight
I'm so tired of trying to make a living but betwen the state and federal government taking it all away when we get finally get near the top of things I really, really get nasty sometimes. My grandchildren and great-grandchildren will be paying for what we could not stop; i.e., stimuls, TARP, and everything else coming down the pike, and I don't think any of it is right. I feel our country is down the tubes and there is no getting out of it. I hope I am wrong, but between the state and federal government and what they are creating, they will take, or try to take, everything we all worked hard to achieve. Big Brother has come to the USA even if it did take more than 25 years. You all know this country is going down but what, really, is anyone doing to stop it? Not much, because we are not a unified body, and unless we do band together and try, we are doomed. JMHO
Disclaimer: I will not apoligize for any answers I post because I feel they were not out of line.
I've been reading up on your illness. I apologize. I realize now how truly ill you all are. I wi
pray for your souls. Seriously. I'm not laughing, and I'm not joking because I truly feel sorry for you. I won't answer you any more because that seems to only make you sicker.
Religious Addiction: a mental illness with deadly social consequences.
by TrysDan Roberts
I do believe there is a Great Spirit responsible for the creation of the universe, but unfortunately, there have been those who have been the victims of the exploitation of this higher power.
When George W. Bush and the Christian Reich took control of the most powerful country in the world, The United States of America, a very dangerous virus began spreading throughout the country.
The virus: Christian Fascism.
This lethal threat to democracy is now infecting the world, ie...the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
To understand the Right Wing Zealots, it is important to acquire an understanding of what it means to be a religious addict. The following identifies important signs of religious addiction:
SYMPTOMS OF RELIGIOUS ADDICTION as written by Paschal Baute
Paschal Baute is a co-founder and facilitator of the Spiritual Growth Network of Kentucky. He is an organizational psychologist working with leadership and team development and personnel screening. His business web page will be found at www.paschalbaute.com
Inability to think, doubt, or question religious information and/or authority
Black-and-white, good/bad, either/or simplistic thinking: one way or the other
Shame-based belief that you aren't good enough or you aren't doing it right
Magical thinking that God will fix you/ do it all, without serious work on your part
Scrupulosity: rigid obsessive adherence to rules, codes of ethics, or guidelines
Uncompromising judgmental attitudes: readiness to find fault or evil out there
Compulsive or obsessive praying, going to church or crusades, quoting scripture
Unrealistic financial contributions
Believing that sex is dirty; believing our bodies or physical pleasures are evil
Compulsive overeating and/or excessive fasting
Conflict and argumentation with science, medicine, and education
Progressive detachment from the real work, isolation and breakdown of relationships
Psychosomatic illness: back pains, sleeplessness, headaches, hypertension
Manipulating scripture or texts, feeling specially chosen, claiming to receive special messages from God
Maintaining a religious high, trance-like state, keeping a happy face (or the belief that one should...) (1.) © Paschal Baute 1993
Condensed 'Characteristics of a Religious Addictive System.' Dr. Thomas Edgington is the principle author and contributed 90% of the following:
God is seen as impersonal and vindictive: members tend to have a grace- deficit theology. (Their religion and experience are based totally on fear, not on relief.)
Emphasis on theological correctness to the neglect of relationships and of loving others.
Demonstrates a spiritual arrogance [considers those from outside as less spiritual].
You will hear comments like I pride myself on my humility.
Majors on minor theological issues and ignores or minimizes major ones.
Scripture is said to be of primary importance, but in reality it is the leader's interpretation of Scripture that has primary importance.
Traditions often overrule Biblical truth.
Scripture is often misquoted, used out of context, or is degraded to the level of trite, pat answers in order to prove a point or to exact obedience to a system.
Intellectual development is limited to what fits the system; we think the way we do because we are right; the thoughts and opinions of others are not considered.
Dogmatism is common: the point under discussion is often explained by the quotation of a Bible verse, again, usually out of context.
Members attempt to impose their personal opinions upon outsiders or upon those still within the system but under suspicion.
There is a lack of objective accountability: leadership is accountable to itself ONLY. [Often explains why the religious fear and despise psychology... fear of exposure by outsider]
Leadership is viewed as infallible and beyond reproach.
Undue/over-emphasis upon submission to authority.
Expression of certain emotions, particularly anger, is seen as unspiritual.
Low self image, hyperactive conscience, undue guilt, and an inability to forgive, either others or oneself is very common.
Communication often centers around theological issues; personal issues are rarely discussed. When they are, two phenomena find expression: shredding people,setting up and knocking down straw men.
Interpersonal intimacy is often lacking.
Poor ability to relate to hurting people; offers pat answers instead of demonstrating loving care (2.)
Religious Addiction preys on the Weak and Vulnerable
After reading and processing the above characteristics of a religious addict, it is very to easy to find incidents of religious addictions since George W. Bush took power:
A while ago, I was watching the news stories about the Ten Commandments Monument being removed from a Government building in the United States. As I watched the protests, I thought how twisted right wing Christian zealots are; the way they whined and moaned lying on the ground reminded me of a religious addicted cult. There is so much hate and mental defects within the Christian Coalition. It is scary.
It is important for all countries to separate government from Organized Religion. Christian Right Wing Organized Religion is a very dangerous political institution. They have decided how people should live and those choosing a different way of life are viewed as deviant or enemies.
When looking at two men, George W. Bush and Mel Gibson, it is easy to see how dangerous Religious addiction can be to the rest of the population. Both these men are recovered drug addicts and drunks. What lead to their recovery was replacing their chemical addictions with Christian addiction. Like a cult, Christian Extremists target people when they are at their weakest; both men have weak minds which made them easy prey. They should not be respected, but looked at as very weak little creatures.
As President of the United States, the mentally feeble man, George W. Bush, has been given the power to flex his religious addicted muscles: supported challenging affirmative action, proposal to ban gay marriage, increase funding to religious groups that help alcoholics and drug addicts recover, invading and taking over Iraq, funding the promotion marriage (push women in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, eh Georgie?)
The Christian Right seeks to oppress those who don't conform to their way of life. In order for society to evolve, Right Wing Religion must be kept out of positions of political power.
Religious addicted Mel Gibson is now a right wing fundamentalist. He believes he knows God personally, and has a whole lot of money, giving him the power to push his beliefs on the rest of us. There is nothing more dangerous than a rich right wing fundamentalist. About Mel Gibson's movie, The Passion of the Christ, Movie Reviewers and News Commentators did not have the courage to give Mel Gibson's movie a real review. It is probably like during the invasion of Iraq; people who spoke against it were intimidated, and the media was very biased toward the bullies.
Religious addiction is a serious mental illness in our society. Religious addicts, when given power, have the ability to do some serious damage to the world and its species.
Religious Addiction: a mental illness with deadly social consequences.
Endnotes:
1. Paschal Baute, Symptons of Religious Addiction http://www.lexpages.com/SGN/paschal/religious_addiction.html
2. Dr. Thomas Edgington, Characteristics of a Religious Addictive System. Nimbus.org http://www.nimbus.org/Academics/ReligiousAddiction.html
BIBLIOGRAPHY
Symptons of Religious Addiction by Paschal Baute
http://www.lexpages.com/SGN/paschal/religious_addiction.html
Retrieved April, 1st 2004
Characteristics of a Religious Addictive System. Nimbus.org
http://www.nimbus.org/Academics/ReligiousAddiction.html
Retrieved April, 1st 2004
Copyright 2004 © TrysDan Roberts
P.S. Please scroll down after reading above post. Washington Post article included.
Reprinted in Boston Globe. Sorry!
I wrote: I second JTBB's post, 'watcher's post is misinformed crap...sm
pYou have also to read what's posted 'inside' the message.
Oops, meant to post this under the loose trolls post...
I'm going to keep ignoring these troll posts. It's kind of fun, actually, just pretend you don't see them.
Post the direct link. I don't see the post you're referring to.
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The post I quoted was the entire post. It was not taken out of context. sm
I imagine there are as many emotions and thoughts going on with our troops as possible and each does not feel the same as the other, which is obvious by the posts here.
Sorry gourdpainter, my other post should have been under the wacky Pakistan post (nm)
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Why did you post this? Republicans have been asked NOT to post here..Bye Bye.
Why did you post this? Happy Thanksgiving is enough but to be so happy we have a republican president? Why did you post that? I would like to remind you, you are on the liberal board. Are you trying to start trouble? If so, let me know and I will report you immediately. No, Im not happy we have a republican president, a warmonger chickenhawk president. Does that answer your question? Now, go back to the republican board. We dont want you here and actually the moderator and administrator have asked republicans not to post here..Bye..bye..
Forgot to post a link in 1st post. Sorry.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/money/tax/article1996735.ece
Please refer me to any post where I referred to either the post...
or the poster as ignorant. And I certainly never sunk to the levels you did at the top of the post, against a man who is ill in a wheelchair. Pot calling the kettle black...?
I re-read your post, and I stand by my post.
You are twisting his words by saying that he wants to make friends with terrorists. That is not what he said.
Ya gotta understand the rules. We have to post on this board only. They can post on any board they
The above post explains a lot about everything else you post!
Your revelation about being married to a career Army guy explains why your views are skewed so drastically to the far right! I thought it had to do with small-town Pennsylvania, but now I truly understand where you are coming from. Thank you for explaining that us. We will read your posts in a completely different light now that we know the truth.
If you want to post something on the subject, post
objective views. This is a one-sided publication that asks for donations to keep it going. Nothing I read in there posts anything against any democrats, just republicans. It is not a fair-minded reporting.
I like to read both sides of the aisle but this publication spews hatred for anything not democratic in order to sell books. To those who can't see both sides, this blog, or publication as they like to state, is just up their aisle. I shake my head at one-sided news. Taken from their web site:
"Indeed, a founding idea of the Consortium for Independent Journalism was that a major investment was needed in journalistic endeavors committed to honestly informing the American people about important events, no matter what the political and economic pressures.
While we are proud of the journalistic contribution that this Web site has made over the past decade and while we are deeply grateful to our readers whose contributions have kept us afloat we also must admit that we have not made the case well enough that this mission is a vital one.
Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His new book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.' "
I second your post and 'watcher's post
is misinformed crap.
My post was a direct answer to the direct post...
of Democrat. It was not a blank open-ended statement. And dial it back a notch...it is certainly your right to protest anything any time you want to. Just like it is my right to protest you protesting while men and women are still in harm's way, because you are in effect aiding the enemy. Apparently the Viet Nam experience taught you nothing. Americans protesting in the streets heartened the enemy and when they were about to surrender decided not to, based a lot upon what was happening in the American streets. I believe that the protesting in that war prolonged the war and cost more American lives. Hanoi Jane should have been tried for treason. That being said...lessons were not learned and the protestors are doing the exact same thing now. Exercising the very right bought for them by shedding of American military blood. And I still say common courtesy should keep people out of the streets and off the TV until the military are home safe. But it just proves the same thing to me over and over...the selfISHhness of the protestors vs. the selfLESSness of the military. They continue to put it all on the line for your right to protest anything you want to protest...it is up to YOU to decide where and when that is appropriate, and it is up to you to take the heat for same. It is up to me and others like me (in my opinion) to apply that heat. Go ahead and do whatever your conscience or lack thereof moves you to do. But do not expect those of a different mind not to protest the protest.
Thanks for the post. I think I will look up that
article.
And thanks for pointing out all the other "results" of his administration that, as you say, benefit nobody but the rich and/or the corporations or, as he himself once publicly bragged, "his base."
I know for a fact that when he ran for President in 2000, I told every single person I knew that if he becomes President, we're going to go to war with Iraq. (Nobody's gonna treat his daddy like Saddam did and get away with it.)
I didn't have a crystal ball. I had common sense and a good memory from the Gulf War when his father was President and how he didn't "finish the job." Seems a lot of other Americans forgot about that.
I really enjoyed reading your post and all the facts you raised that I failed to raise in mine. Thanks for the mention of the LA Times article. I'm going to try to look that up on the web.
I know they don't. I said that in my post. NM
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Actually, that post is right on. sm
You sound like a total lunatic, out of control and full of hatred. You sound like someone who could do just what "vs" says. You had best take a look at your behavior. YOUR posts are the ones who should be reported. You are one frightening person.
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