I am originally from California and personally know...
Posted By: Kendra on 2009-04-07
In Reply to: No, the big-money bunch in Orange County had - a lot to do with it. Ah-nold loves them -S/M
many people who voted for the proposition against gay marriage.
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I am originally from California and personally know...
many people who voted for the proposition against gay marriage--none of them from Orange County. People forget that there is more to California than the southern parts.
I am originally from California and personally know...
many people who voted for the proposition against gay marriage--none of them from Orange County.
She took it personally because she was attacked personally. Plain and simple.
Where did you get your debating skills? On the south side of Chicago in some street gang? Because if you did, it shows.
In a REAL debate, there is no room or tolerance for personal attacks. Yet, that's all you people know how to do. You can't stay on the issue. You MUST attack the poster personally, claiming to know not only what they think and feel but also claiming to know what every liberal ever thought or did, what they're thinking and doing right now and what they will be thinking and doing for the next 1,000 years. In fact, you seem to know everything about anything that ever existed on the planet, exists now or will exist into infinity.
As I (and others) have said repeatedly and you just can't seem to grasp, if you constantly treat people badly, they're not going to want to associate with you. Lurker was very gracious in her posts to all of you on your board, but even she, in the end, couldn't tolerate your continued, nonstop, personal attacks any more (as she indicated in her responses to the attackers). If you ever stop knowing it all and become interested in the proper way of debating someone, you could learn a lot from Lurker. You see, having *thick skin* is only important if you're a thug in a gang somewhere. It's irrelevant when it comes to treating humans like humans, and in that area, you have a lot to learn.
As for me, I like to learn from intelligent, friendly people with different political views, so I visit boards where those kinds of people are found. Not all conservatives are angry, rude, come out swinging and need to personally attack 1,000% of the time. Some of them are actually quite nice and informative, and they can be found on other forums. Too bad they can't be found on MTStars.
Have a pleasant evening. 
NOW IT SAYS THAT ..originally it did not.
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am originally from Michigan sm
Oakland County and alot of my reltives still live there. Some are retired from GM. It is really bad up there. Lots of folks on my sister's street with no jobs and more losing jobs every day. I was up there in September and the houses for sale are unreal!
Good, then since you followed her, you know that originally she had nothing but praise SM
for President Bush, right? He met with her and she thought he was WONDERFUL. So since you have followed her, you do remember that part, right?
Let's get to the heart of what I originally posted...
CBS, the same network that trotted her back out on Sunday, filed a brief with the US District Court stating emphatically that she was not covert at the time of the incident, therefore the reporters in question should not have to reveal their sources. CBS, like the good liberal mouthpiece it is, was trying to defend the first amendment...freedom of speech and the right of reporters to keep their sources anonymous...you know, to PROTECT whistle-blowers. Any other time, you would be FOR that.
I was pointing out the hypocrisy...CBS filed a brief stating they did not believe she was covert. And then they bring her on their network, supporting her statement that she was.
You cannot have it both ways.
Both of those are facts.
And, logically speaking...if a person goes to the CIA every day, sits at a desk in the CIA offices, gets a check from the CIA, chances are that person works for the CIA. And since when do covert operatives get a desk job and walk in and out of Langley every day? Surely common sense should win out here. While she was covert at one time, she was not at the time of the incident.
There is much more common sense evidence on the side of that than on the side that she was still covert.
What about Richard Armitage? Is he a liar too?
I am from a conservative state originally...
but my parents were lifelong Democrats. But...and a big but...they were Zell Miller-type Democrats. I have not voted for a Democrat for the presidency...although I have voted for more middle of the road Democrats for congress. I voted for a pro life democrat for the state senate last time around because I liked what he had to say more than the Republican. As you can imagine from that state, being pro life is important to me in a candidate.
I have enjoyed talking with you! :)
This woman is originally from my town
I saw on the news last night that this woman is originally from the city I live in. They say that she and her son were interviewed up here in 2004 about how hard it was for lower income people to get health care and pay for it and then miraculously her and her son ended up down in Florida in the City where the president was speaking sleeping in their truck. I think that is too much of a coincidence to be real. Plus that truck looked awful nice for 2 people who had been out of work for 9 months and according to the story here they had been out of work up here too before they left for Florida. I think they were a plant, but by which party? They both are looking good by helping these people.
FYI, they originally called themselves 'teabaggers'.
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When originally posted on the web site, it said it was required ..
I have seen the images before and after ...
you can bet my kid will do it if there is a tax credit ...
but hey -- guess what? He does stuff anyway without being forced or bribed ...
As has half (or more) of California.
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I only heard about California so far.
I would love to file early but my tax guy seems to put us on the end of the list. April 15, we get ours done with no chance to look it over before its sent because he does electronic filling.
No worries here, though. We always owe. No matter how hard or how much we pay in during the year, we still owe at the end. Haven't gotten a refund for 10 years.
Oh, wait!!!! I LIED!!!! We just got a check for $6.84 cause we overpaid what we owed. Wow! I'm gonna run right out and buy a six pack of beer.
Hubby wants to frame it and not cash it. Told him he better cash it. Might be the last one we ever recieve. I can always make a photocopy of it. 
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Go Gov. Palin - looks like California is on the right track
Good article.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/21/MNPP130KA7.DTL&feed=rss.news
I am a California Republican and I disagree!
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Depends on what part of California - sm
it's like 2 states sometimes. The central portion of the state: Central Valley in the north, Orange County in the south, chock full of narrow-minded midwest transplants, many of whom are evangelical christians. The coast and mountains have more progressive and free-thinking people. (Also the more highly-educated, as a rule). You couldnt pay me to live anywhere but on the Calif. coast.
Arizona is like a suburb of California these
days. I know what you mean about those shirts too! Even in winter, the Californians are wearing their flipflops. People from other states are amazed to find out it actually snows in Arizona. Frosty can live a long time out here in the wintertime!
Did you miss where the people of California
voted against gay marriage? And yet, the courts usurped the people's wishes.
The picture was taken in California at an ANSWER convention. SM
You may remember the incident when the war first started and a soldier threw a grenade into a tent killing several other soldiers, including, I believe an officer. This lovely show of support for the soldiers was on display at that convention.
Another interesting tidbit from this election...California...
voted to ban gay marriage. California! Well, bet that was a bit of a shock to most folks out there. What happens now to all those gays Gavin Newsom married? Wonder if this one will make its way to the Supreme Court so another vote of the people will be overridden by a legislating from the bench group? I know one thing...they won't be sending it to THIS court. They will wait for the one Obama hopes to put in. How very interesting in California...in with Obama, out with gay marriage. Hmmm.
And thank goodness California's failed; dont want
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All the handouts we give them in California has helped our
No tax-refunds this year for those of us who work hard, pay taxes, and actually live here legally. This year all we get is *IOU's*.
Makes me want to staple an "IOU" to my California
I grew up in California and it is a real problem...
They end up closing down emergency rooms because they can't turn away illegals who need medical help and most don't pay. Don't know anything about PA, but it seems to be pretty bad here in Nebraska where I have been lioving since December.
I live in California, I know all about illegal aliens.
I have a much bigger problem with our government murdering people overseas with unjust wars.
By the way, exactly what jobs are they taking away from American citizens...picking fruits and vegetables in hot fields, scrubbing toilets in big office buildings, washing dishes at fancy restaurants? Illegal aliens do the dirty jobs that American citizens are too arrogant to do.
I agree, that's why Adam lost. Counteracting Miss California!...nm
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I agree, that's why Adam lost. Counteracting Miss California!...nm.
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Nancy Pelosi flies back home to California on our dime...
what's your point?
to clarify - NO to fed laws superseding laws of State of California against voters
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This what I'm personally going to do
In every place I go where the pledge is recited ballgames mostly when we got to the words under God it's amplified UNDER GOD!!! That's what I intend on doing even if it becomes illegal. I don't care if they outlaw the word God period I'll shout it from the mountaintops. First of all to glorify my God, and second of all to irritate those who think it's a curse word.
Go ahead sue me...hang me...chop my head off. The best is yet to come for me anyway.
I personally think that
the McCain campaing has set Palin up to be the attacker of Obama's character and let McCain talk about what they will do if they are elected.
As for Palin lying, I do believe that Obama has not been 100% truthful with things brought out about him. He has changed his story several times on different associations and issues and that makes me not trust him.
I do find it interesting that a lot of times what an Obama supporter can say about Palin....a McCain supporter can say about Obama. LOL! Kind of makes you wonder what the heck all of us are thinking really.
One thing that holds true for me in the case of Sarah Palin is that she cut spending in her state. I truly do believe that for the sake our country....we need to cut back on the government pending and this just reinforces my trust in McCain and Palin to do just that. Obama...on the other hand....I believe will not cut back on spending as he has endorsed more pork in his short term in senate than McCain has his entire career.....and that to me says a lot. And that has nothing to do with him being a POW and having the scars to prove it. LOL!
Personally, you hit on one of her best...
attributes. I like the idea of a VP who could lock and load with the Secret Service if need be. Shove those guys out of the way and take care of herself. Hooah! lol.
Well, I personally am a
right-leaning Libertarian who registered Republican last time McCain made an attempt, just so that I could vote for him in that primary.
This time around he has morphed into something so frightening that I'm voting for Obama, & I haven't voted for a Democrat in 30 years.
Well, personally s/m
I could not care less so long as they don't mess around with the constitution. I do think, however, that there is much ado about nothing. As for the alleged tax breaks...when my husband and I married we asked my CPA about tax ramifications. He said we would be better off to marry. When we filed our first joint return, the same CPA said he didn't realize how much our income was and that in fact, marrying was the worst thing we could do tax-wise. So if gays/lesbians want to marry for tax purposes, they had better take a good hard look at where the marriage will put them.
I don't know that there's anything legal/illegal about it but I expect that in the case of serious illness or injury a significant other would not be kept from the bedside.
My husband and I used an attorney to draw up papers (forget what they are called) that directs everything that could possibly be foreseen and the cost was something like $350. That would work just as well for gays/lesbians I would think.
We have a gay couple in our community, also biracial. They moved here from another state. Both wear wedding rings, I have no idea what it symbolizes, haven't asked. One is rather elderly and has relatives here but they accept the significant other and everyone just goes about their business.
Gay/lesbian relations are not new, it goes all the way back to biblical times. I don't lean in that direction myself so I do not know anything about it, whether it is a choice or people are born with that bend. I just have a hard time with God saying that it is an abomination for a man to lie with a man as with a woman and then that He would turn around and cause people to be born with this kind of sexual orientation. That being said, let them do what they will, it is between them and God. Like religion and politics, they don't need to try to shove it down the throats of the majority who are heterosexual.
I personally don't know anyone......... sm
with voter's remorse right now, but I can guarandangtee you there will be a whole bunch of folks in about 6 months to a year or so who will rue the day they cast their ballot for the O.
perhaps you just don't personally know anyone
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Personally
I think it's all of the above and then some.
I have never personally used that phrase myself. sm
But then, I am sure someone will expend a huge amount of energy to prove me wrong.
I personally feel
that Jesse Jackson is a detriment to the black community. Surely there has to be someone better to represent and stand up for the black community. If a white person made the general comments that Jesse Jackson does......the black community would scream racism. His own son spoke negatively about his father and his comment.
I personally don't feel that there will ever be equality between the races because people are constantly wanting to point the finger at the other race. Do I want equality....yes...of course I do. I have many black friends who are great people that I care about. But until we stop pointing the finger at the other race, it won't stop. Prejudice and racism is on both sides. It isn't just the white folks or the black people.....it is on both sides and until people stop and realize that and learn to forgive and forget and be accepting.......it won't change.
As for Bill Cosby, I loved watching the Bill Cosby Show when I was younger, but the more I learn about Bill......the more I think he is a huge bigot.
Once again, did he personally call you
to say he would quit HIS job and be at home with the kids? Oh wait, I KNOW! The oldest pregnant one can watch ALL of them! Now, There is an idea! Furthermore, yes, you ARE bashing US, by saying we have a 1950's mentality, just because we want to ACTUALLY RAISE our OWN kids, instead of a DAY orphanage! What a concept? Raise your own kids! Dr. Laura people, you all should listen to her...
I personally feel that
neither McCain nor Obama will be able to really pull us out of this horrible economic situation. They will be able to help or make it worse, but no one president is totally going to pull us out of this horrible situation that we find ourselves in today. I personally put the blame on everyone....dems and repubs alike. Our president is currently republican but the congress is controlled by the dems and quite frankly I haven't seen a whole he11 of a lot out of either group to start pulling us out. We are too busy flinging mud between parties to really focus on what our country needs and that is a shame as well as scary. I hope and pray that people in Washington will get their heads out of their butts and consider the future of our country instead of how much money they can line their pockets with and that goes for both dems and repubs.
I personally feel that this
failure in our government is a failure on both sides. This isn't strictly dems, although dems control the congress, and this isn't strictly reps even though the pres is a rep. I think they should all stop pointing fingers as what is done is done and find a solution that will benefit the tax payers and not line the crooks' pockets with money anymore than they already are.
As for McCain....no matter what....at least he had the balls to say....HEY...we have a problem here. That is more than other politicians have done who benefited from FMFM money.
Of course, I personally don't have a problem with
any of it. I don't look to the debates to help make up my mind, they are for entertainment value to me. I simply was putting out there what I had read. I too agree, the VP debate is going to be the one everyone wants to see.
I personally believe that they are both good men...sm
We are lucky to have two such good men to vote for. That being said, you need to do your own research at reliable places, keep an open mind, and take nothing at face value. In the end, we all vote with, hopefully, our brains/hearts/instincts. The issues are what really matter. Who honestly represents your values and who is going to help the ordinary person, the middle class, the poor, the rich, whatever is your agenda.
What makes you think that I personally don't?
pub or dem, who benefited from this should be the ones financially responsible to repair it. But that isn't going to happen and I'm sick of hearing about who's responsible for it. What about the homeowners who applied for these mortgages that they knew they couldn't afford? I hold them responsible. What about the banks who gave them the loan, knowing they could never repay it, but didn't care because they were just going to sell it? I hold them responsible. What about the CEOs who made millions on their severenace packages when they walked away from these failing companies? I hold them responsible. I don't care what party they are affiliated with. But the fact is, no one person is going to be held accountable. As a whole, the taxpayers will be made to be responsible.
You talk a good game and some of what you say makes sense. Unfortunately, you have to read through all the pub/dem cr@p to really get to what you're saying. Are you going to try to tell me that not 1 single pub had anything to do with any of this? That it all rests on the individual dems? Come on -- that's a load of bull and you know it.
And I respect yours. Personally,
if I had to be in a foxhole with someone, it would be McCain no question. I have a feeling that Obama would look out for himself.
Personally, I think she meant (Lou
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i personally don't care much for either of them
Madeline Halfbright was Clinton's Sec. of State. Don't even get me started on her.
No matter what, I give nobody a free pass just by the R behind his/her name. Look at Olympia Snow & Susan Collins! Talk about embarrassments!
I personally think that we should drop
everything except for American. We need to unite and come together and we need to drop the extra titles. That doesn't mean we should forget where we come from or our heritage. It just means that when we lose focus on us all being Americans and just Americans....we start to categorize and stereotype and segregate ourselves.
Besides, I really don't want to be call an Indian-German-Scottish-Hungarian-American. I'm an American and I'm proud of that.
I personally think Palin has now
Joe Biden has been in politics for a very long time. Palin and McCain in no way answer any question directly. Palin took a shot at the media through an interview with Brian Williams. When asked to state the examples of the bashing she feels are wrong, she only gave one, and then didn't want to talk about it anymore. I have to say that even though you feel Joe or Obama faced with a real problem are under the gate and squealing, you'd better look at the examples of McCain and Palin interviews first. Pretty much all I hear out of McCain's mouth is "I'm sorry." JMO, of course.
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