I am not willing to assume that 1.2 million babies...
Posted By: sam on 2008-08-22
In Reply to: Sorry you feel that way. - me
would have horrible lives. I can't see killing them all just in case some might suffer. But how is our choice to decide whether or not someone lives based on what kind of life they might have? I think it should be the choice of the creator, myself. I am curious as to what you think your creator thinks about choosing to kill an unborn child? I think mine's heart breaks every time one happens...over 2000 times a day. Yes, that's what I think.
It's quick? It's horrible but its quick? Good grief!!
You keep discounting the right of the child to live. Who are you, the mother, or anyone else, to say that child has no right to live? Do you think your creator endowed you with that right? Just curious.
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Better 1.2 million dead babies a year?
I think we get where you are coming from.
She did loan her campaign 10 million dollars - she owes over 20 million - but...
Hillary says she is not worried about paying herself off, just the other people she owes money to (but I bet she will get her money back somehow). I just read where Barack personally wrote her a check himself for $2300 (the most by law any individual can contribute to a campaign).
The problem is her donors expect him to help her pay this money off if he wants them to continue to support his campaign financially, and he needs their money to finance the general election campaign. Also, they say Hillary can devote more time campaigning and helping his financial situation if she is not having to try to raise money still for her debts.
So anyway, there it is in a nutshell...
Cry babies
Your post is so true. Cry babies, run to the moderator and get the posts they disagree with deleted, even though they are posted on the LIBERAL board.
Cry babies
The posts that get removed are removed because they violate the rules for the boards posted by the administrator. Typical liberal response, follow only the rules you like, and to use your term, become a cry baby when the you don't like the rules. With all due respect, spend less time whining about who posts on what board and what posts are removed, and more time trying to figure out why you think it is more important to investigate Bush than it is to concentrate on terrorism. Still having a real difficult time trying to wrap my mind around that one. But..it does underscore why conservatives are so concerned and rightly so.
Cry babies
The two posts of last week were removed because a conservative who came on this board (you?) did not agree with them. Both were articles from journalists and printed in major newspapers, so obviously cleared and approved by the editors of the newspapers and read throughout America. However, the conservative did not agree with the articles, so whined and cried and ran to the moderator (flash back of junior high actions) and had them removed. My opinion is, if a conservative cannot handle an article that was posted in a newspaper and obviously cleared by its editor, dont read it, go back to the conservative board and leave the liberal board alone. I have never posted on the conservative board but have read some of the posts and some are definitely inflammatory and attacks on liberal/democratic politicians. Liberals have not asked to have those posts removed. Conservatives: Do as I say, not as I do.
How many babies do you think die in
the wars that Bush and McCain support? Or does it only matter when American babies die?
You say you think McCain is the lesser of two evils because he is against abortion, right? Well if you are against the concept of killing innocent life, you should be APPALLED at the number of innocent children the US has killed in IRAQ, and will kill in Iran if Mr. 'Prolife" McCain gets in power.
Let your "conscience" be your guide.
So were the babies
murdered. I don't see you making a case for them.
Anchor babies. sm
You mean to tell me, gourdpainter, that you don't celebrate this country's great cultural differences and rights for every American born citizen? I'm shocked!!!! 
Seriously, yes, I do see this as a problem, but doing away with the 14th Amendment is not the way to keep this from happeniing. I'm not sure what the correct procedure for handling this would be or even if it could be done as anchor babies are automatically citizens, but I would think writing your congressmen would be the place to start. This is one of the tragedies this country might face because of weak borders and law enforcement's seeming inabiilty to send illegals back where they came from. It goes deeper than that, though.
You know, you mentioned in another post that no Native American has ever run for POTUS. Actually, they probably have more right than Caucasian American citizens to hold this office as they were here first. 
anchor babies are ---
Anchor babies are babies born to foreigners on American soil. They by virtue of being born here are automatically American citizens even if their parents are not and even if their parents are here illegally. Thus, one day, we could very well have a president whose parents are here illegally, whose parents do not speak English, and he will be legal to be the president! Think that's right?
The law concerning anchor babies....sm
In 1898, the Supreme Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark declared that the Fourteenth Amendment adopted the common-law definition of birthright citizenship. Chief Justice Melville W. Fuller’s dissenting opinion, however, argued that birthright citizenship had been repealed by the principles of the American Revolution and rejected by the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment. Nonetheless, the decision conferred birthright citizenship on a child of legal residents of the United States. Although the language of the majority opinion in Wong Kim Ark is certainly broad enough to include the children born in the United States of illegal as well as legal immigrants, there is no case in which the Supreme Court has explicitly held that this is the unambiguous command of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Based on the intent of the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment, some believe that Congress could exercise its Section 5 powers to prevent the children of illegal aliens from automatically becoming citizens of the United States. An effort in 1997 failed in the face of intense political opposition from immigrant rights groups. Apparently, the question remains open to the determination of the political and legal processes.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/GovernmentReform/wm925.cfm
Where do babies come from? 1 man and 1 woman
I understand these relationships, but I don't think traditional marriage between a man and a woman should cover gays/lesbians. They have civil unions in my state and now they want marriage. Leave the tradition of marriage alone.
Assume all you wish. TI
I have no idea. The fact is, it was linked and your words discussed. A good laugh was had by all once we realized you really have no idea what you speak about. What you say here speaks for itself. Isreal is an evil aggressor, no Israelis, women or children, have ever died at the hands of our enemies, we deserve what we get, and we are a plague upon the face of the earth. That's what you have said, not in those words but in those thoughts. At least stand behind your words, as foul as they may be to some of us. We have met your kind all over the world. There are more and more of them all the time.
Then I must assume you are against
all of the killing and anhilation of life in Iraq too. But of course, this is just assumption on my part, I could be wrong. By the way, those embryos are going to be destroyed, as in thrown out. Does this constitute killing of embryos? Amazing how some people cannot see things in an encompassing manner.
You assume too much
You assume that everyone who protests never says thank you and does not appreciate the military and that is wrong. As I said before, I was a government employee in a military installation for many years. I do appreciate what these men and women do every day. My father and father-in-law both served in Vietnam. They are both huge war protestors and I am proud to march along side them.
That doesn't mean I have to keep quiet when I don't agree with a military action. Protesting war does not necessarily equal protesting the military. I do agree many are disrespectful, many of us are not and will continue to exercise our rights as long as we have something to say.
Why do you assume that... sm
Planned Parenthood doesn't spend as much time and money offering contraception as they do abortion? *Of course* they do.
But I'm not surprised you aren't familiar with all their services, as you seem unable to see anything other than ABORTION-ABORTION-ABORTION!!! (Which, in looking at the volume of posts you've written on it seems like a rather unhealthy obsession, IMHO.)
My gosh. How sad that that's what you got out of that story. The story was about premature babies dying, not abortion, and yet you somehow turn it into an attack on Planned Parenthood and abortion? What the heck???
And before you assume, no, I am not
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Why do you assume...
That the only reason people have against voting for Obama is 'fear?' You must think we're all a pretty uneducated bunch, huh? Right back at ya.
And you need more information on ACORN. Or you're in complete denial. I don't know which one.
Don't assume
First, it is rude & completely illogical for you to equate "breast enhancement" with atheism. You're making leaps from "breast enhancement" to "what a Christian would never do" (& that in itself I find suspect) to "what a non-Christian always does." & you even go one step further, you think you can actually substitute some product (which you've already mistakenly associated with a certain group) *for* that group. It's ridiculous, flimsy, shrill.
A product is not a belief system, but I find it typical of the "black & white," simplistic, narrow form of christianity I unfortunately encounter from time to time that you think the world is divided into "me/not me" and everything outside that tiny circle is somehow all part of the same large conspiracy to deprive you of something.
Second, I would find it completely out of place to screen a pro-choice message at the Superbowl. Why? Because it is a belief system & has no place there. Condoms? As has been posted elsewhere in this thread, plenty of christians use them, & for reasons other than a promiscuous lifestyle. It's a product, used by lots of people for lots of different reasons. For that matter, I would imagine there are women who've had their breasts enlarged for reasons of self-esteem who would be offended by the idea that they did it in order to facilitate promiscuity. In a perfect world, I suppose things like this wouldn't matter & we would all have self-esteem no matter what our shape. The world isn't perfect -- but it is what the godhead made.
Why would you assume..(sm)
that we pay for everything they do? They actually do have money of their own. We aren't talking about Palin here. LOL.
How many unwanted babies have you adopted, sam? (nm)
???
but there was already a law in place to protect the babies -
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wow -- that's as sad as 1/2 aborted babies being left
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No, most of those murder enough babies legally as well.....
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They cant stop having babies if they have no forms
Remember the babies in dumpsters?
We had a 17-year-old come in our hospital, full-term and in complete denial she was pregnant. She got mad and left when told she was pregnant. She came back a few weeks later and they could not save her - she never went into labor, the baby was stillborn in her for god knows how long and it subsequently killed her. This kid was living here and there - her parents did not care. The ills in society will remain regardless of the laws.
Obama is not saying he wants babies murdered -
Obama is prochoice - that means each person has the right to decide for themselves. You all amaze me when you say you want the government out of your life and to quit telling you what you have to do, but then it is okay for the government to tell the other person that they can't do something they want to because it does not go along with your belief system.
I would never ever have an abortion. I think it is wrong. However, I think that each person should have the right to decide for themselves if they do it or not. In this case I agree, government stay out of my business!
Nope. She can have all the babies SHE wansts to have.
It's a free country. Believers in pro-choice want to KEEP it free.
Sorry, but according to the law, anchor babies are US citizens - nm
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No, I am outraged that you assume so very much.
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I assume you are speaking of me.
First of all, for your information since you obviously cannot or will not read, I despise Bush. Your intolerance tells the world (these boards are read by the world, after all) that the liberal left in the United States has become the party of intolerance, anti-Israel, anti-American. You don't appreciate the freedoms you have and you live a world coloured by hopelessness and despair. I really pity you. Since I don't vote in the United States, I am neither left nor right. But of course, it's easier to label and name call, as you seem so very good at. The realisation may hit one day that you have a very narrow view of the world out there.
You just assume that anyone who disagrees with you is a ....
*gasp* Republican. I'm not. I am not adverse to intellect. I just don't happen to think that attacking an innocent 16-year-old girl because her mother is in a different political party is particularly intellectual, nor do I think it defines those who engage in as particularly intellectual. But that is just me.
I would hope that Obama would be equally as incensed if someone attacked one of HIS children. I know I WOULD BE.
I did not assume you didn't, I was just asking if you did...
which is a valid question.
As to politico itself, sorry if I misunderstood. From your post I did not discern that you meant to that site only. I apologize. Thanks for the clarification.
Am I to assume then you are all on board for...
America becoming a socialized nation and earmarking a certain percentage of our tax dollars to go to fight "global poverty" in addition to the billions we already send overseas....you are a citizen of the world before you are a citizen of the United States? Or you just ignore those parts of an Obama presidency?
You automatically assume
You assume if there is something negative said here about Obama, then that poster MUST be for McCain. Well, that is not the case. BTW, Palin doesn't have to look far to cast aspersions on Obama. He's done that to himself.
I assume you speak for yourself
I assume you mean the sad part
is all of our brothers and sisters who refuse believe because they can't "prove" God's existence. I don't feel sad that the end times are near (I believe) for myself but I do believe the Bible tells us that in the end EVERY knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. It also tells us not to be afraid, something I struggle with, yet I know that in my rather looooong life, He has provided that which I needed, sometimes things I didn't even know I needed. He has also allowed me to suffer the consequences when I went against His will. Whatever part of the tribulation we have to endure, I am sure He will make a way for us. And I do believe we are entering into the tribulation.
why do you assume they didn't
u know what they say about assuming
I assume you were there at his birth?
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Just assume and judge all you want. I AM
nm
You don't know me or my faith - so don't assume
And looks like the saying is true about people who assume things.
Wow 48 million
Where would we have put all those babies? We could build cities just for them. that's 48 million more vying for welfare, running through the penal system. How many serial murderers could have been in that 48 million? The numbers DO speak volumes. Obviously the condom hasn't caught on. But that's not the point. As our populations has grown, so has all of the other statistics, including the number of abortions. If you have your way, the social ramifications will be HUGE, huge. You're not into socialist state. You can't be thinking that if a woman is forced to have a child she doesn't want with more than likely no father to hlep that all of a sudden she is going to turn into June Cleaver because someone says she has to? The only people who will benefit from overturning Roe vs Wade will be the one who run the black markets on baby selling. The demographics speak volumes as well. Where are the largest numbers of abortions happening? It is not middle class Bible America. You are choosing the unborn over the living and saying it is okay to sacrifice the mothers and the fathers for the sake of an ideal in a foreign country. If that is not a complete contradiction I don't know what is.
babies are piling up in hospitals and all you're
Have you written or called your local representative? Have you written Congress? What about getting a group together to picket the issue on Capitol Hill?
So many people claim to care, but what they really want is a "clear conscience". Not voting for Obama does not clear anyone of this travesty. It only makes people like you think it does. Sam, you claim to be an independent, but you need to change your card to republican. That's how a republican operates. They only worry about if their hands are clean at the end of the day.
GP..Exactly. And those "anchor babies" can sponsor their whole family and who know what else.
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You don't think you might hear the cries of aborted babies....
where were you? Why didn't you help me?
Anchor babies are natural citizens... sm
by virtue of being born on American soil, just as the babies of Chinese immigrants or German immigrants or any other nationality are citizens of this country if they are born on US soil. Granted, the influx of illegal aliens from Mexico has created a problem in that it has burdened the welfare system in this country, but that is not the issue here.
The issue is that Obama cannot produce proof that he is a natural born American citizen. The birth certificate floating around the internet purported to be real is a fake. You can find anything on the internet these days, true or not. Just the fact that liberals shoot down every article posted in support of a conservative's point of view as being "not a credible source" is proof of that.
Mr. Obama is well aware of the questions being raised concerning his birth certificate. If he had a REAL birth certificate, why would he just not produce it and put an end to all the speculation? Because he can't, plain and simple. He flew to Hawaii to see his ailing grandmother and "coincidentally" his "birth records" were sealed at the same time. Isn't that interesting?
Mr. Obama lived for 5 years in Indonesia, a country that does not recognize dual citizenship, therefore nullifying his American citizenship IF it ever existed in the first place. There are no records on file where he ever applied for citizenship after returning to the US.
We have to produce birth certificates for our children to attend school today. Why shouldn't the man who would be POTUS have to show his?
Barack Obama is not even legally a black American. He only has one black great-great-grandmother on his father's side while the other 7 were Arab.
That makes him 50% white, 43.75% Arab, and 6.25% black. 12.5% is the minimum required to legally claim any racial status in America.
Obama would qualify as the first Arab-American president, NOT the first black president. That is why they keep saying "African-American" and NOT black because they know he is African Arab and not African black.
Why would you want anyone who has any kind of questionable background leading our country? Would you allow persons of questionable background to teach your children in school? What if that person was suspected of having an inappropriate relationship with a child but it could not be proven? Would you want to run that risk?
I agree that America has more pressing problems that whether the man about to take the helm is a natural born citizen, but do you want someone who is not even an American leading us through these problems?
Murdering near-term babies isn't violent?
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I assume you are writing all this from Iraq?
Otherwise don't call anyone a coward but yourself. If you support this war, get off your flabby butt and get over there.
When Hitler sent the German army into an unpopular war, were the Germans who wanted the war stopped and the troops brought home cowards? Did they not show support for the troops by questioning Hitler's war? They were admirable and good people to stand up in the face of the German political administrations' choices!. They LOVED their troops but did not LOVE Hitler. Some of the German troops who died in Hitler's misguided war were my husband's relatives. And no, Bush is not Hitler so don't try misquoting me on that. The point is, not all wars are noble and good, despite what your proteswarrior group might say. And just because a PERSON or administration got us into a deadly MESS doesn't mean we should remain in that quagmire and continue letting our troops be killed, whether it is the Civil War, Vietnam or Iraq. Gee, at one time even the Civil War seemed like a good idea. 650,000 lost? Was it worth it? Maybe other alternatives could have been explored?
You hawks are not going to get it. Us libs can love our troops and support them but we cannot love and support this war. We can't pretend this is a good and noble cause.
I did read the whole thing, why do you assume that I
didn't? Just because I didn't feel that it was racist, doesn't mean I didn't. We obviously have different takes on it.
The release of it I was referring to was to the politico.com web site, which Obama did relase it to, not the thesis as a whole.
I assume you mean Rev. Otis Moss?
If so, I have read his bio and I see that he is a protoge (sp) of Dr. Martin Luther King for whom I had great respect. I expect the blogs and other anti-Obama sources would rip him to shreds though. Guess I can expect to see posts about him here tomorrow.
Going to bed now.
You assume a lack of compassion....
but your snotty self-righteous attitude speaks for itself. Get over it.
imposing to assume that I am not informed
because I disagree with you?
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