I am not one of what you call "you people."
Posted By: Zville MT on 2009-04-16
In Reply to: I'm still waiting for an answer to my question about s/m - sm
I didn't state any number or any guesstimate of how many people attended tea parties. I can speak for my town, which is a small town, and there were about 300 people at our court house yesterday.
Final counts aren't in from some of the larger cities, but even that won't be a fair representation of the numbers because of small towns like mine that might not be added in the mix - those numbers do add up.
All I was wondering from you is why you chose to quote a Canadian article - you answered that it was because it would be an unbiased source. However, it would be a biased source because they would really have no first-hand knowledge of how many parties there were, where they were, how many people attened, etc.
Personally, I attended not because I'm a conservative or republican or anything like that. And it wasn't a front for some big corporation so the rich could keep their taxes low (and I'm far from being rich!) I attended because I don't think Congress is doing a very good job spending my money. When people like Chuck Schumer stand up there and say things like the American people don't care about the pork, that's when I get upset. And for them to get all up in arms about the AIG bonuses, only to find out it was all right there in black and white in the stimulus package, but none of them even bothered to read it, that's when I get upset! If you and I did something like that in our jobs, we'd be fired on the spot!
This sort of thing should have happened years ago because the spending in DC has been out of control, even when the republicans were in charge (that's when I started voting democrat for a while.)It just makes my blood boil to hear the republicans in DC spout off about all the spending the democrats are doing - why weren't they doing anything about it 8 or 10 years ago? But it makes me madder still to hear them all (republicans and democrats) DEFEND spending all this money now and then leaving our children to have to pay for it later.
I just don't think it's right for the government to think that it can live by one set of rules while the rest of us have to live by another.
Okay, enough of a book, just needed to get that off my chest.
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I am not one of what you call "you people."
I didn't state any number or any guesstimate of how many people attended tea parties. I can speak for my town, which is a small town, and there were about 300 people at our court house yesterday.
Final counts aren't in from some of the larger cities, but even that won't be a fair representation of the numbers because of small towns like mine that might not be added in the mix - those numbers do add up.
All I was wondering from you is why you chose to quote a Canadian article - you answered that it was because it would be an unbiased source. However, it would be a biased source because they would really have no first-hand knowledge of how many parties there were, where they were, how many people attened, etc.
Personally, I attended not because I'm a conservative or republican or anything like that. And it wasn't a front for some big corporation so the rich could keep their taxes low (and I'm far from being rich!) I attended because I don't think Congress is doing a very good job spending my money. When people like Chuck Schumer stand up there and say things like the American people don't care about the pork, that's when I get upset. And for them to get all up in arms about the AIG bonuses, only to find out it was all right there in black and white in the stimulus package, but none of them even bothered to read it, that's when I get upset! If you and I did something like that in our jobs, we'd be fired on the spot!
This sort of thing should have happened years ago because the spending in DC has been out of control, even when the republicans were in charge (that's when I started voting democrat for a while.)It just makes my blood boil to hear the republicans in DC spout off about all the spending the democrats are doing - why weren't they doing anything about it 8 or 10 years ago? But it makes me madder still to hear them all (republicans and democrats) DEFEND spending all this money now and then leaving our children to have to pay for it later.
I just don't think it's right for the government to think that it can live by one set of rules while the rest of us have to live by another.
Okay, enough of a book, just needed to get that off my chest.
LOL, and you call people vile.
yeah, you would rather call people "wackos"
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People like you make me ashamed to call myself
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call some of these people on their sheepiness and they run (sorry cutoff)
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Why would you call people who just want a nice clean commentary on a board...sm
a bunch of bullies? I'm amazed at you. How are we the losers when someone else calls us names all night long and we only ask for common civility?
Your logic seems backward. It was a bully of one, directed at us.
And if you really want to talk about a bully pack, look to yourselves. The dems pile on sam to no end some days, nasty nasty stuff, when it's just her on. Why is it okay for you to do it to her with meanness, and we only ask for civility and common courtesy, and yet we're the bad guys?
We're all Americans here. Why do you continue to divide us? We're more alike than you care to admit, in a lot of ways.
But the big one that separates us, from the media, down to the people on blogs, is that liberal dems are mean and downright nasty to republicans. If we don't agree with your point of view, on almost any subject, you treat us as less than nothing. I just don't understand it.
I was trying to be helpful last night, and point out that she really should try to get along. But she didn't want to. Sally actually has some good posts occasionally, hidden in between her icky ones. I look for them sometimes, and feel she should be here, as is anyone's right. But no one should have to be subjected to vulgarity.
That's the big difference too. Dems don't want to get along with anyone, most often. You only get along with yourselves.
Very, very sad.
I can't beat comparison but I like the fact she knows, it amazes me you call some of these people
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I don't know about "you all" but
I don't judge people by what they wear. I don't shop at Neiman or Saks and I'm not overly impressed by those who do. I wouldn't care if she did her shopping at Good Will if I thought she had enough brains to turn this country around. With her foreign policy knowledge being that Russia flies over Alaska and she can see Russia from her front porch on a clear day, The odds are highly in favor of her running this country at some point if McCain is elected.
"You better" ....
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The "you's" are the judiciary committee....
never meant to imply anyone else. And I frankly don't care how many are exposed, be they Republican, Democrat or polka-dotted. What I think would happen is that there would be a lot of people exposed, a lot of ties between people that might shock people, and that it will never get to the impeachment process. Ever think that it might be to the advantage of professional politicians tha America stays split? The end result, "we the people" will be more disgusted with politics than ever and with both parties. Of course there will still be the hard-liner tunnel-visioned on both sides who won't believe what comes out anyway if it does not fall in their belief system that the Democratic party (or the Republican party) can do no wrong. Some things never change. Sigh.
And there is that segment of the population, the professional politicians, who who don't really believe anything other than what it takes to advance their power base. As I have said ad nauseam, I only register as a Republican in primary years because I HAVE to in order to vote in them. Otherwise, independent because neither of the major parties interest me in the least and it is getting worse by the day.
And no, I don't necessarily think more republicans would come home to roost than democrats in republican administration. Especially since this republican administration kept over so many from the Clinton administration (so much for trying to bipartisan and reach across the aisle. He kept more people over from the last admin in his first term, I think, than any other Pres has. Most of them clean house when they come in). And not much of that went well (Armitage, Tenet, and how many others?). I think anyone honest can say a lot of the problems we face today were in part brought about by those very folks. They at the very least had both hands in it.
And when I said I wanted to know the truth...I meant that. I said the same thing during the Clinton impeachment...and everyone who watched any of that knows the man is guilty of both perjury and obstruction, no matter what he was lying under oath ABOUT, And THAT congressional montage let him walk. So I don't have faith, personally, in ANY professional politician. It is all about power and keeping it.
However, if all this ranting and raving and posturing does inadvertently prove that both parties were involved perhaps this two-party system we have basically been forced into will finally get shaken up enough to listen to "we the people" because they have not in a long time.
Piglet, I think this is a political exercise and I think those starting it have no interest in justice, just like those who started against Clinton had no interest in justice. If they had, they would have convicted him. It was an exercise, this is an exercise. But it has gotten so hatefully, bittery partisan that maybe some of them may not see that they perhaps would be hammering nails into their own political coffins (save Pelosi and a few others who are trying to keep it from happening). And by they, I mean any and all of the resident politicians in DC.
So I say let them have at it. And when the dust settles, we might actually have enough disgusted rank and file in America that who might get elected at that point? Ron Paul? I am at the point now where the whole thing is just ridiculous.
Pelosi is using her power the only way she knows how...in an effort to KEEP it. That is what they are ALL about. If she cared about the truth or justice and really felt in her heart of hearts that anyone in the administration was guilty of impeachable offenses she SHOULD go forward. The fact that she does not, and even tries to keep her fellow Dems from going forward, tells me all I need to know.
That being said...I have not had faith in much of any congressional montage period since Clinton walked and not only walked, continued as President. And even if WE the people push for it, we are not going to see anything done unless the professional politicians weigh the pro's and con's and if they think it will help insure winning the White House, they will go forward. If they think it will not, or will in any way hinder that goal, they won't. That is, sadly, the bottom line and because of that, we may never know the truth. It is in their best interest to just have the innuendo out there...because seeking the truth sometimes finds it, and that might not be the most opportune thing for getting the White House back. Politics.
And in the end...I am wondering if THAT matters, because we knew the truth about Bill Clinton and it didn't matter..he still was not convicted though they all knew he was guilty. Not of multiple affairs, against which there is no law, but lying under oath before a federal grand jury. There is no question he did it, we all saw him do it on national television. So it is not a question of guilt. The perjury automatically proved the obstruction count, he lied to keep from being caught, thereby obstructing "justice." And he not only walked on perjury and obstruction, he remained President. The Arkansas Bar Association knew he was guilty...said so and disbarred him. I believe that soured me (not because it was Bill Clinton...sheesh...but because the law should be applied equally to ALL and certainly that should include the President of the United States no matter what party he is a member of). And those same people who bemoan Clinton being impeached are thirsting for impeachment of someone else for the SAME crime. I don't understand that. I do not understand the incapability of some to grasp the concept of equality under the law. I thought that was a founding concept of America. Equal application of the law to all, no matter how high up the chain it goes. Guess that is just asking too much of people, to put down partisan politics and just look at the facts, guilty or not guilty. Didn't happen with Clinton. I don't have much faith that it will happen this time either, though the same people who want to excuse Clinton want to fry Cheney and use that to jump start frying Bush. They really don't care if it is true or not. Sigh. Almost laughable.
And I think that the powers that be in Washington just don't want us to know everything that would come out in impeachment hearings. Which are televised, so it would be HARD, HARD, HARD to spin. And the American people, I believe, are in a place where certain kinds of information would have very long-reaching effects. because I think there are more people toward the middle of the spectrum that the hard right or hard left.
So, I still say bring it on, have the hearings if they think they have the goods, and let it all come out. If the evidence points to guilt of Cheney, them impeach him, and if it is proven he is guilty, then remove him from office. And if others are in the process found to have committed crimes, then prosecute them and throw them in the cell next to Libby. Be they Dem, Repub, or polka-dotted. Let's try to get it right this time. Put the criminals in jail, not back in the White House. We can't go back and put Clinton in jail where he belongs, but we can get it right this time (yeah right, like that will happen, but one can hope).
If I sound disgusted, I am. As disgusted as kam but in a totally different way.
"you're" oops.
i hate spelling errors! :)
It should be "you're welcome" not "your welcome"
oh my
Oh, he knows. "You elect me", I will find
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"You're answer"
If you don't want discussion and/or argument, don't post. Simple as that. If I know something related to someone's post, I'm gonna post a reply.
And you never argue on this forum, do you?
Meant like "YOU GOT BEHIND BUSH"
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Olbermann: "You owe this country an apology." sm
Another great special comment from Keith Olbermann.
"You're not forced to read this" is what I was
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What part of "you don't have a choice" don't you understand
"Obama will call on citzens of all ages to serve America" My God!!!! Don't you hear this. Don't you question this. Don't you know what the germans when through with Hitler????
Forced is forced. You can put any fancy name on it you want. It is still the same as military service. Once in you don't have a choice of what you do. I was in the military, I lived with a german couple who went through the holocaust and heard many stories. I KNOW the military. What starts out as civil service turns into military service. Heck call it the country club service if it makes you feel more important than the military. The truth is this is forced and you don't have a choice. This is how the Hitler youth started (by feeling more important than those who weren't in the Hitler youth). They then went on to be the SS and finally the Gestapo. Sure the Hitler youth felt very "patriotic" and wanted to serve the Fuhrer. They were made to feel privilaged and would receive things (i.e. tuition to college, etc). It later turned out to be a much different story and unfortunately they had no choice. You cannot just leave whenever you want to. I don't want to see my nieces and nephews have to go through that. I blame all who voted for the O for that.
P.S. - NOT voluntary! What part are you not understanding. Mandatory and forced do not mean you have a choice. Just wait til the uniforms come. It's going to be slow but when it happens maybe you'll remember what I said. But then again the parents of the Hitler youth's wanted their children to enter the Hitler youth so they too would feel privaleged and patriotic. I just can't believe people are buying into it without a second question. That is what is so "disgusting" about that!!!!
who are "you guys". I'm a democrat and ashamed of
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Who are "you guys">>>>I couldn't care less about Ewards
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"She" made it easy for "you" to lose control of yourself? sm
and end up writing that trash you wrote?
Only you are responsible for how low you sink. Anyone can see that.
Call me what you want, just don't call me late for dinner. LOL....
GP, I like your sense of humor.
You call it hysteria, some call it concern for the
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Then call it what it is...or call for conservation...
but don't make up a myth to try to gain control. That is what Gore is after...what all the global warming hoohah is after. They have an agenda...pure and simple. And the base fact is that a very low percentage of the greenhouse gas effect is from cars. Every time you breathe out, you contribute. Are we all going to stop breathing? Are cows going to stop belching? I have no problem with ethanol...I have used it. My husband is from Iowa...I would love it if we started using ethanol more extensively. But in previous years, Democrats (Hillary being a primary one) opposed the use of ethanol. I guess if I believed any of those people out there hawking global warming actually believed what they were saying it would be different...but I don't. The science is not there. As I said...if the real interest is conservation with the side benefit of less CO2...fine. Just say so. But as the article pointed out...if it is as bad as they say it is, you can't stop it anyway. It just does not make good sense to me.
Fine. Call if whatever you want to call it....
I will call it as I see it. I look at a totality of things. He has embraced black liberation theology which is racist and has Marxist tones for 20 years. There is no way the man went to that church for 20 years and did not know their doctrine. But, if you choose to believe that, again, fine. I do not. I believe he knows that theology backward and forward and believes it to his core. You don't have to. That is the wonderful thing about America. We can agree or disagree. On this we disagree.
Yes, I am feeling a pinch. But I don't think the government should take money from you and give it to me. I don't think they should take money from any private business and give it to me. If you think that is fair, fine. I don't. That is how socialism/Marxism takes hold. Historically it ends the same way. I don't want that for America. Perhaps you do...you want the pinch eased for you and if that means taking money from someone else that they earned, and giving it to you, who did not earn it, to you it is all good. To me it isn't.
He never has said who the $1000 checks are going to. I am thinking not every person in the whole US of A...so not only does he get to choose who he takes the money from, he gets to choose who to give it to. That would be another interesting piece of the puzzle. If he confirms to the Marxist view, it would be issuing checks to the "poor." And he gets to define who that is. You may be okay with that...me, not so much.
And by the way...have you ever researched an oil company profit margin? It is not as huge as Obama would like you to believe. But, again, he is counting on no one researching what he says. They hear free money and that's all they want to hear. Also, do you think oil companies don't employ people? You think it is one CEO at a desk in an office raking in billions? You don't think there are rank and file regular folks who work for oil companies? Whose jobs might be impacted by you and others wanting to take money away from their employers and doling it out to people who have not earned it? You think there is a chance they might have a problem with that?
I call, fax, and call again and I do campaign....
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So you and your daughter have no problem with people who wish for people and their children sm
to burn in hell, call people's children ugly, etc. etc. Well, you might not BE gt, but you might as well be. Even the liberals don't agree with gt, or hadn't you noticed? You might want to check that out and while you are at it, the conservative board has been a regular play pen since the liberals stopped their hateful dive bombing. In fact, some really good conversations are taking place over there between both sides, which DOES NOT happen on this site.
Try looking it up. To call something
untrue because you want it to me is truly blind. Just go to google and search for PNAC document. But you wont, because then you will have to admit your wrong and maybe actually put a few of your brain cells not already brainwashed into overuse.
I call them as I see them. NI
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I call them as I see them. NI
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I don't know how you can call it ...
respectful, because I don't see that it is any way respectful to the men and women in the war zone. But obviously their well being is not your primary concern. So be it. Protest away.
Effective? Effective in prolonging the war...yes. Effective in further endangering our men and women in the war zone...yes. Effective in boosting enemy morale? Yes. By all means. Get out there and be effective.
Exercise YOUR right as long as YOU feel it necessary. I think that says it all.
Have a good day.
DUH - call me an i-d-i-o-t
Okay, totally forgot about that. Boy, talk about feeling like an id!ot.
And guess I must have taken what he said wrong and not paid enough attention. Both of you said it was sincere, so I will believe you both.
call
yourself a saint, for all I care. How do you get your arm back there to pat yourself on the back? You are more sensitive than others. Thanks for letting us know. If you hadn't told us we might have missed it.
You need to call a tax guy/CPA or something
what this all means. You will not be getting a tax cut at all! You need to understand that.
Would never call you a Dem
I consider myself conservative, but have voted several times Dem. I just find it hard to believe that anyone could accept the hate coming from this man about how terrible this country is. Yes, there are problems, but villifying the government and calling the people in this country stupid - just beyond reason.
31K - 63K --is that what you call looking out for my
No doubt afraid of what you will see.....his vote to tax you even more.
I have not seen much in the way of what you call
racism EXCEPT from the supporters of O. Everytime someone makes a statement of why we shouldn't elect the O president, they are called a racist. So who's the fanatical ones?????
That's why they call it.......sm
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Call it whatever you want, but...(sm)
the fact is that he is actually doing something (as opposed to the party of NO and hip hop) that will actually help the economy. What's funny to me is that you guys seem to be terrified that he might actually manage to help someone who you would consider beneath you in the process. Yet another example of republican greed. Hey, maybe Steele can bust a few rhymes with that....
My name is Michael -- My game is to stifle -- We keep peons hungry -- And we keep all the money....Everybody in the house say Hey!...say Ho!
I will call it what I want
It's WELFARE!!!
Before you call me down,
that is loonies as the other perceives them to be.
Whatever you want to call it TS...
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What do you call...
you run of the mill wacko ANTI-life supporters? YOU MUST BE SO PROUD!!
Bored people are BORING people.
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Is that how your people justify killing people?
Help, call Oprah. sm
There really is such a thing as a talking sphincter.
Well, call me what you want, but I wanted to know.
I say use God's name when you're speaking the truth. If it's truth point it out to me.
They don't call them CONservatives for nothing!
Con means to deceive or mislead. That's how they communicate, from Bush right on down to his peon worshippers. They deceive, lie, mislead, twist, manipulate. They do everything except speak the truth. This is a perfect example. You asked them above to see the post. You didn't get a response, did you?
Now they'll just continue to troll this board with more outrageous fictional tales conceived in their tiny little minds, all for the purpose of demeaning and attacking liberals.
It's really sad, irritating and definitely bothersome, but they are their own worst enemy because they are getting more and more out of control every day. In a way, I guess I will really be worried if it stops. If I no longer see those angry hateful posts here, I will fear that they finally snapped in real life and either hurt someone else or got hurt themselves. 
when did I call you bigot?
When, my misguided soul have I EVER CALLED YOU A BIGOT? Please show the post. If it is the post talking about the stench from anti war, then you did not use your handle and yes, I called whomever posted about dirty masses a bigot..I wish you could show me any other post..
Wake Up Call
Read this article closely:
Describing George W. Bush as the most stupid president in U.S. history, the Al Qaeda leader reached out to the Muslim world and said his group was winning faster than expected in Iraq.
The U.S. president's policy had enabled the militant group to achieve their goal of fighting more Americans, said the Al Qaeda leader.
We call the lame duck (Bush) not to hurry up in escaping the same way the defense minister did, he said, referring to the removal of Donald Rumsfeld as Defense Secretary following the Democrats' victory in Midterm elections.
They are getting ready to leave, because they are no longer capable of staying, the Al Qaeda leader said.
Remain steadfast in the battlefield you coward, he called on the U.S president.
If this does not chill your blood, with all due respect, there is something terribly wrong. These people are focused on the destruction of the United States. They get their information from the New York Times and CNN, and they are heartened that the majority of this country who voted espouse the cut and run theory on Iraq. They seek to divide us from within and for the country to turn on the President (and they have done that successfully it would seem). They think (and it would appear that they are right in many cases) that the US as a whole has no stomach for the fight. In their eyes, we are weak and not willing to fight for what we believe in like they are, and in their eyes that makes us cowards. We are in a WAR, yes a WAR, like no other. And if you do not think us pulling out of Iraq prematurely will not fire the jihad you are very sadly mistaken. They will view it as a major victory and I shudder to think what will follow it. The very reason we have not had more major attacks on our soil, in my opinion, is that these people, with all their bluster, are afraid of George Bush and what he might do. They are afraid that if they pull something like that again Iraq might be a walk in the park and would mean even more American boots on the ground in places they don't want them. They just can't be sure of what the US might do under his leadership, and that is why they are biding their time. If we get a dovish adminstration, it could, and most likely would, get ugly real fast. All it will take is the first (and probably homegrown) jihadist to blow himself up in a mall somewhere and take several innocent American lives with him....and then it will be too late. It could happen, do not think for a moment it could not. They want dead Americans. They would prefer dead American citizens on our own ground. They prefer the cowardly fight. They do not prefer having to face our military. But they will, because they are dedicated to their belief, no matter how perverse it is, while all the time trying to get back on the playing field they prefer...cowardly suicide attacks. We will learn what Israel has had to live with for years, the hard way. Do you see where I am going with this? We NEED for them to remain afraid of what we might do if they start something like that. We need for them to respect our willingness to stand toe-to-toe for what we believe in. We need to demonstrate that we are willing to do so and not waver. We need to demonstrate a belief in our country and our way of life as strong as theirs is. We are already wavering as a country, and we need to suck it up and stand up straight again. It is time to wake up. We are not acting as the World police in Iraq. We are in a fight for our survival, the survival of a free country where we are not afraid to go into a mall or get in a car or go anywhere we wish without fear of suicide bombers, car bombs, being grabbed off the street and found without a head a week later. We do not need to join the hunker down and be quiet and maybe they will leave us alone club. That does not work. They are not going to leave us alone. No one is safe, for these people there is only one way....their way. They are not going to stop and go quietly away. That should be patently obvious. This is the most important issue that faces us. None of the rest of it will matter if we lose in Iraq. Take a moment to look at history, all the precursors of 9-11. Had we not gone into Iraq, and swept yet another incident under the rug (with Khobar Towers, the Cole, the Achille Lauro, Tanzania, Somalia, and on and on and on) there is no telling where we would be right now or what other awful things might have occurred. For those of you who cannot grasp that, who think that if we pull out of Iraq and pander to these people that everything will be all right....God help you. God help us all.
Wakeup Call
Great article and on target! It also should chill the blood of the get out of Iraq now crowd, because what this article describes is precisely what would happen. But, they have blinders on. Iran in control of Iraq's oil .... think on that for a minute. With their nuclear ambitions .... think on that for a minute, people. It is still hard for me to believe that we actually have leaders, members of our own Congress, who are ready and willing to turn our belly up to be ripped out by these fanatics. Sorry if that is graphic, but that is exactly what they want to do. How can anyone in their right mind support a party who would rather go after the man who had guts enough to fight for this country, than to go after the terrorists? If they would focus the hatred of George Bush and the energy trying to bring him down on terrorism instead we might be a lot closer to defeating them. How did their thinking get that screwed up? How did it become acceptable to screw over your fellow Americans, your own country, to have power? And how were they able to sell that garbage to a portion of the American people? I ask the question and I know the answer. Because a great portion of the American people have strayed from core values, moral stands, and the black and white of right and wrong to the gray area of appeasement and whatever makes ME feel good, to heck with what is best for the country. The REALLY sad part of it is that they are going to drag us all down with them. As I said in another post....as THEY sow, so shall WE all reap. It is heartbreaking. We cannot give up, however. We still have a mighty sword and that is prayer. And not to sit down nor shut up. God Bless!
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